NationStates Jolt Archive

As most NS players are aware, there are mod-controlled regions in the game. With the exception of the "Warzones", these regions are The North Pacific, The East Pacific, The South Pacific, The West Pacific, The Pacific, The Rejected Realms, and the less commonly known Lazarus. Lazarus accepts all nation that have been revived by the game mods.
Each of the Pacific Regions (and the RR) are ruled over by their UN Delegate. Lazarus, however, has it's delegate controls locked, and is ruled over by it's founder.

My question for the mods is this: Why? Lazarus is as deserving as any other region to be able to fully participate in the NS game. The game includes delegate elections (for delegates with power), invasions, region crashers, and much more. Unfortunately, we are unable to participate in many of these activities.

After several un-responded telegrams to the regional founder, i post this message for the moderators. I urge you to give the people of Lazarus the rights attributed to tens of thousands of other NS players.

Please note: I respect the founder as the founder of our region. If at all possible, please allow him to SHARE the regional controls access with the UN delegate. He has done nothing but good for the region, and does not deserve to lose powers just because his region is under mod controls.

Thank you in advance

its not mod created
thats just where they send them reserected nations

It is not mod-created, nor is it mod controlled. While it may have a mod as it's founder (I'm not sure) I know that it is controlled by that mod as a player, not a mod. You could move there and request that this happen, but asking here won't change a thing.

My question for the mods is this: Why? Lazarus is as deserving as any other region to be able to fully participate in the NS game. The game includes delegate elections (for delegates with power), invasions, region crashers, and much more. Unfortunately, we are unable to participate in many of these activities.

Lazarus is just like The Rejected Realms. You can't eject from it, and it is kind of a sinker for nations that ceased to exist for some reason. The founder is controlled by multiple moderators, I believe, and will not answer telegrams. If you want to make it a fully operational region, you have to treat it like the RR. If you want a regional forum, you have to ask the founder to put the url up there, but I don't think s/he will, because it is a mod testing area as well. Wear the url to your forum in your motto, and I believe that a delegate is allowed to welcome new nations in the region and request them to join the regional forum.

Lazarus was not intended to be a player-created region, which is why it wasn't created by players. It's the place nations go when they are resurrected. Delegate controls are turned off because the significance of this region relates directly to the resurrection purpose. If delegate controls were abused, it could seriously mess up the job Lazarus is there to do.

The founder nation will occasionally wake up and place a new forum in the WFE for the current Lazarus government, but if it is indeed controlled by game staff as rumor has it, their priorities probably lie elsewhere.

If giving out the forum URL and having elections that way can't be done without access to regional controls, the only way you're going to get that power is to create your own region with the people that are actually active residents of the region, and not just nations posting thanks to the mods on the way back to their home regions.

I recall seeing a previous resident of Lazarus asking this same question some time in the past, which is where my input comes from.

Actually, I can tell you exactly why Lazarus has a Founder... It was my idea.

Back when I was a Forum Mod, I decided to move a puppet into Lazarus. Much to my surprize, it had been griefed. Lord only knows why someone would grief Lazarus, but there it was: password locked, everyone ejected. So, I suggested that "someone" be given Founder status over Lazarus, and for the Delegate's power to be locked out.

My suggestion was approved and everything worked perfectly...

...except that I didn't get the Foundership :p

thank you for your input.

most of those posts were painfully misinformed, so im not going to bother replying to them. thanks for the ones who actually bothered to look/think before posting (no offense to everyone else ;) )

as for hack's post, if im not mistaken, it is impossible to be banned from the RR. would it not be possible to modify some of the script from the RR HQ so that people cannot be banned from Lazarus. The only power given to the delegate would then be the ability to modify the WFE, which would be appreciated, as testlandia takes a long time to do that.

speaking of which, is testlandia a single person, or a group of mods? if testlandia is a single person, is that person a mod?

I think that's a pretty good idea, having Lazarus be made into a Rejected Realms sort of place where the delegate has full powers minus ejection, hopefully someone will refer it to Sal.

And I'm almost 100% sure that Testlandia is controlled by [violet]. There used to be a thread someplace to prove that but I can't find it anymore. I'll look around for it now.

Edit: HAHA! (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=274569)

Edit: HAHA! (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=274569)

Testlandia was apparently founded on 5 April 2003. Forum Moderators were not elected until sometime in April following that date, IIRC. *raises an eyebrow*

*dons tinfoil hat*

omg1!! m0dz0r c0nspiracy the0ry!11!!11 Hak liez!11!! :eek: :p

*takes off tinfoil hat*

Now that's out of my system: Hack said that he moved his puppet in and then the region was griefed and then he requested that they put up a founder in Lazarus. So it's possible that his puppet was created before he was made a Forum Mod and before it was appointed as a founder in Lazarus. That should probably explain the difference in dates, but I'm going to keep my tinfoil hat nearby just in case. :D

*post closes out with Twilight Zone theme song*

Maybe it's [mantle]!

Maybe it's [mantle]!
*moves closer to the tinfoil hat* I smell a conspiracy coming along here...

But hasn't [mantle] been retired for an uber long time?

Maybe it's [mantle]!

?? who/what is [mantel]??

there is no [mantle]. Forget everything you saw here.



There is no conspiracy.

there is no [mantle]. Forget everything you saw here.



There is no conspiracy.

now is when you clear our memories :gundge:

Katganistan walks into the room, puts on a pair of sunglasses, and holds up the infamous Purple Pen of Marking. "Ladies and gentlemen, your attention please -- I need to test your eyesight... the first person who can read the letters off my pen will get a plasma TV...."

As everyone draws nearer and stares, there is a ferocious flash of light... suddenly, no one can remember anything that happened in this thread from the point at which [mantle] was mentioned.....

"Nothing to see here, go about your business....he he he, Neuralyzers are great.... er..."

*scratches his head and blinks a couple of times* Ah well, I hope I didn't blink in that picture. I do that all the time for some reason... *suddenly has the urge to say something, which inadvertently blurts out*

*dons tinfoil hat*

omg1!! m0dz0r c0nspiracy the0ry!11!!11 Hak liez!11!! :eek: :p

*takes off tinfoil hat*

Now that's out of my system: Hack said that he moved his puppet in and then the region was griefed and then he requested that they put up a founder in Lazarus. So it's possible that his puppet was created before he was made a Forum Mod and before it was appointed as a founder in Lazarus. That should probably explain the difference in dates, but I'm going to keep my tinfoil hat nearby just in case. :D

*post closes out with Twilight Zone theme song*
:p

Katganistan walks into the room, puts on a pair of sunglasses, and holds up the infamous Purple Pen of Marking. "Ladies and gentlemen, your attention please -- I need to test your eyesight... the first person who can read the letters off my pen will get a plasma TV...."

As everyone draws nearer and stares, there is a ferocious flash of light... suddenly, no one can remember anything that happened in this thread from the point at which [mantle] was mentioned.....

"Nothing to see here, go about your business....he he he, Neuralyzers are great.... er..."

as all the other people walk off, one person stays and says
"Neuralyzers dont work on me, MOD, you need to learn some better tricks if you want to fool me...i will ask once agen who is [mantel]"

"Nothing to see here, go about your business....he he he, Neuralyzers are great.... er..."

"Hey! I saw Men in Black..."

/me takes off her Raybans.

;)

Katganistan turns the Dreaded Purple Pen. On the side is written 'PEN OF DEAT'.

I've plenty of tricks.... ;)

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=296993

...but as you can see, [mantle] is a retired mod.

Katganistan turns the Dreaded Purple Pen. On the side is written 'PEN OF DEAT'.

"It's such a shame to lose such a well-known and well-loved nation to the mighty Dreaded Purple Pen... to which her last words known to man, 'Kat, it says Pen of Deat.'"

Katganistan turns the Dreaded Purple Pen. On the side is written 'PEN OF DEAT'.

I've plenty of tricks.... ;)

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=296993

...but as you can see, [mantle] is a retired mod.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't have the 'PEN OF DEAT' now Kat since you're only a Forum Mod - you might hurt yourself with it. :p

Goobergunch walks into the room and puts four cards in the window before walking off. Each card contains one letter.

MIGC

Whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't have the 'PEN OF DEAT' now Kat since you're only a Forum Mod - you might hurt yourself with it. :p

Hehehe, well, I'm not allowed to use it myself, actually.... I have to pass it to one of the Game Mods and ask politely if they would use it.

That doesn't even go into the Rite of Supplication I must perf---

uh....


you never heard that!

Kat re-Neuralyzes everyone.

Wow!

I'm back!

Thanks, Kat!

;)

Whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't have the 'PEN OF DEAT' now Kat since you're only a Forum Mod - you might hurt yourself with it. :p

Not a good idea to talk down to someone who knows someone who might consider using the purple pen for that someone if they ask nicely and suck up a little.

:mp5:

Katganistan turns the Dreaded Purple Pen. On the side is written 'PEN OF DEAT'.

I've plenty of tricks.... ;)

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=296993

...but as you can see, [mantle] is a retired mod.

spawn's 'SHELD OF ANTI-DEAT'
so do i, so do i :p
______________________________
thanks

We seem to have gotten off track from the original discussion.

If it's not a bother, could I have an official position from the moderators?

Hack's post following PH's post, I do believe, is the answer you are seeking.

Nah, Hacks' post was just about how Lazarus got its founder and we went off topic from there...

Anyhow, I asked before if it would be possible to make Lazarus into a Rejected Realms type of place (ejection free with delegate). Mods? Sal? I think it's a pretty good idea if there isn't a lot of coding involved.

The point of Lazarus is that nations are resurrected and brought there for further investigation, etc. It is essentially a moderator region for purposes of there own to regulate the game.

there is no [mantle]. Forget everything you saw here.



There is no conspiracy.

There is no [dredd] either.

The point of Lazarus is that nations are resurrected and brought there for further investigation, etc. It is essentially a moderator region for purposes of there own to regulate the game.

yes, but that doesnt mean it needs a founder. The mods have the ablity to insert a nation into Lazarus. There is no purpose for having a founder.

yes, but that doesnt mean it needs a founder. The mods have the ablity to insert a nation into Lazarus. There is no purpose for having a founder.

It's the prevent abuse in the region from outsiders.

The region can't be abused if you can't ban anyone.

I am not aware of any plans to change Lazarus from its current purpose and configuration. If the members of Lazarus would like to engage in the UN game, they can join the regions they previously came from or start new ones.

Damn conspiracy

In which case, Katganistan, is there an easier way to contact Testlandia besides TMs when we want to make changes to the WFE?

In which case, Katganistan, is there an easier way to contact Testlandia besides TMs when we want to make changes to the WFE?
If you don't care about line breaks, you could send a Getting Help Page request.

And if I do care about line breaks?

(btw, i became the Delegate... of course, i didnt really want the job since it has no power)

And if I do care about line breaks?

Then, tough. You've been told what ways to contact the mods about getting the WFE changed in Lazarus. It's not changing.

(btw, i became the Delegate... of course, i didnt really want the job since it has no power)

Resign from the UN; leave the region. Those are you options if you don't want the job. Many regions turn off their Delegate controls. It's part of the game.

Eh, you're not exactly SOL. However, if you do want line breaks, you'll have to wait for Testlandia to change it. The only way (currently) that I can give you line breaks is by using a horizontal rule ([hr]).

Testlandia was apparently founded on 5 April 2003. Forum Moderators were not elected until sometime in April following that date, IIRC. *raises an eyebrow*
Testlandia was itself ressurected, or so I believe...

Testlandia was itself ressurected, or so I believe...

Dun dun dunnnnn...

Although this is probably the best [violet] conspiracy we've had in a long time