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I would like the moderators to take a look at what is happening in the region Nazi Deutschland Axis.

I am a long-standing native of this region. A few weeks ago I invited the nation Good Children here to help refound our region, which has been slowly dying since our founder was deleted. Good Children, so she said, had previous experience of refounding Nazi Europe. That was why I invited her here.

Based upon my recommendations the remaining three active UN members (New American Reich The Sadistic Skinhead, and myself), endorsed her to be the delegate. I had second thoughts about it, however, for political reasons, and unendorsed her. New American Reich has also unendorsed her.

Good Children didn’t like that very much (that’s an understatement), and to remain the delegate she has given the password to people ranging from the MT Army (sworn opponents of our region) to Pacific Defenders to god knows who else in order to remain in control. Only one remaining native UN member, the sadistic skinhead, is still endorsing her and I very much expect that will change when he logs in again.

She has accused me of being an operative/clone of someone called Puerto Centro who is DOS and so on, and all kinds of bizarre stuff that I don’t understand and on that basis has imported these people here to prop her up. I am supposed to be encouraging a takeover of my own native region by some sinister force, I am supposed to be someone in league with someone or other. Crazy things. But this is what she is saying.

The result is that essentially we have lost control of our region due to Good Children's passing out the password and as many times as I have asked her to give me and the remaining natives the password she ignores my requests. There’s no way we can ask our allies to help us when she refuses to give us the password. All we want to do is to be able to ensure that a native is the UN Delegate again and will bring order and stability back to the region.

It would be appreciated if something could be done about this.

Thank you.

First of all, she ejected the MT army from the region.
Secondly, she never said you were PC/HA, she said you were collaborating with him.

I should just add who is endorsing Good Children as I write this:

The Sadistic Skinhead, Whiskey Chaser, Sanctaphrax, Roman Ulyaoth II, Barracuda Charybdis, Emporer Ed.

In other words, apart from the Sadistic Skinhead, all the rest are people she has given the password to in the last 28 hours so they can enter the region to make sure she remains the delegate, a status she would have lost otherwise. These are people who have no connection with us, who share none of our political sympathies or beliefs, who are here simply to prop her up as delegate.

And let me repeat that she won't give the password to me or to New American Reich, but she's prepared to give it to them.

Is this really fair?

First of all, she ejected the MT army from the region.
Secondly, she never said you were PC/HA, she said you were collaborating with him.

She did nothing while the MT army entered the region because they endorsed her. They helped to support her when she needed support as she was in imminent danger of losing the delegate status. She ejected a couple of MT Army people when she was called on it but the rest were allowed to remain until they departed voluntarily to try to take over the Idaho region.

And how come the MT army had the password and the natives were/are not given it when they request it?

Nazi Deutschland Axis
World Factbook Entry: Nazi Deutschland Axis has been stabilized for the moment following an attempted coup by the known DOS in NS zombies of Puerto Centro and Hitlers Austria (check the NAZI EUROPE offsite forum to confirm he is still active in NS)

As far as I know off-site materials cannot be used as evidence since are unreliable and can be easily manipulated.

The question is if the founder is internally elected and he let invaders/defenders while in the same time the natives withdraw their endorsements, is this delegate still a native?

WHO or WHAT is DOS?

Delete On Sight.

WHO or WHAT is DOS?
DOS=Delete On Sight.
A DOS nation is a nation who commited either numerous, or extremely serious violations. Any nation suspected of being him, gets... deleted on sight. In HA/PC's case, I believe he flamed a lot of nations by TG. Correct me if i'm wrong mods.

Apparently DOS means Dead on Sight by moderation or something like that. Good Children believes there is someone called Puerto Centro who was long ago deleted but is still so influential that a "cult of personality" has formed around him. And I am supposed to be collaborating with him in some way, to stage some kind of takeover of my own region. Puerto Centro is supposed to be still active in some form and I am supposed to be in league with him.

This is what she is saying, as bizarre as it sounds. Actually I don't believe that she *really* believes this garbage, but there are a lot of people who do, and she is using it as an excuse to bring these people to our region to support her so she can keep UN delegate status against the natives' wishes.

DOS=Delete On Sight.
A DOS nation is a nation who commited either numerous, or extremely serious violations. Any nation suspected of being him, gets... deleted on sight.

Well, being suspected is not enough. The mods must have some evidence and since they didn't take any measures yet (we know the mods act very fast in these cases) probably the accused nations does not fall into the DOS order 9my opinion). However, since the names of the suspected to be multies are censored, don't you think that the names of the suspected to be on DOS should be also subject of censore? The reason is the same - players cannot be sure on 100% that their accusations are true. There's always Getting Help Page...

To me it sounds like the delegate in question is an Invader Delegate as although they have 1 Native endorsement, they are in fact being held in place by non-native ( and there-fore Invader in this circumstance ) endorsements ... and if they have not sent out the pass-word to all natives within 1 system up-date, they could be in serious trouble.

How-ever, as I am not too sure on the first ... or even second ... bit ...

I suggest you all have a good read of this (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=301703) ...

this is a bit of a complicated situation, so might be best not to speculate ;)

I'm not positive if PC is DoS or not. However, that's really not the issue here.

I've read the telegrams of Good Children(GC) and Facist Ideals(FI). Nowhere in there does GC say that she'll report FI as a DoS'd player. What she does say, however, is: Consorting with a known DOS player like you are IS grounds for deletion. Not entirely correct. However, this is not the same as "being an operative/clone of someone called Puerto Centro". Charge dismissed.

Now, for the password issue.

This is a sticky situation, but she was invited in by the natives and made Delegate by the natives. As a native Delegate, she doesn't need to distribute the password to anybody. She can also give it to whomever she desires, this includes 'enemies of the region'. Furthermore, ejecting non-natives (defenders or invaders) is perfectly acceptable.

The only thing here that might be problematic is that GC is no longer supported primarily by native regions. No action will be taken now until a second opinion can be aquired.

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I'm not positive if PC is DoS or not. However, that's really not the issue here.

I've read the telegrams of Good Children(GC) and Facist Ideals(FI). Nowhere in there does GC say that she'll report FI as a DoS'd player. What she does say, however, is: . Not entirely correct. However, this is not the same as "being an operative/clone of someone called Puerto Centro". Charge dismissed.

Now, for the password issue.

This is a sticky situation, but she was invited in by the natives and made Delegate by the natives. As a native Delegate, she doesn't need to distribute the password to anybody. She can also give it to whomever she desires, this includes 'enemies of the region'. Furthermore, ejecting non-natives (defenders or invaders) is perfectly acceptable.

The only thing here that might be problematic is that GC is no longer supported primarily by native regions. No action will be taken now until a second opinion can be aquired.

- The Most Glorious Hack
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In The URAP regional board Good Housekeeping, who is also Good Children's puppet, has this to say about me:

I don't know for sure if FI is PC but he certainly acted like him (indeed thinking back his conversational style was like that of "Reichleiter" -- another now deat PC/HA zombie puppet). I apologize to FI if it is found he is not PC. I would only ask you to seek the advice and counsel of the same attorney I have consulted, DC&H.

In other words, she is going around suggesting that I *might* be Puerto Centro.

You write:

"The only thing here that might be problematic is that GC is no longer supported primarily by native regions. No action will be taken now until a second opinion can be aquired."

Believe me, once The Sadistic Skinhead logs on he is very likely indeed to withdraw his endorsement from Good Children. That means she will have no native endorsers.

Another thing. She is adamant that she will refound Nazi Deutschland Axis. Please confirm that if a native does not agree with this, that this cannot happen.

refounding usually becomes a race, whoever refounds the region first, gets it..
given that the region was emptied in a legal way (all natives died from inactivity or left on their own) that is..

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Now, for the password issue.

This is a sticky situation, but she was invited in by the natives and made Delegate by the natives. As a native Delegate, she doesn't need to distribute the password to anybody. She can also give it to whomever she desires, this includes 'enemies of the region'. Furthermore, ejecting non-natives (defenders or invaders) is perfectly acceptable.


Understandable. However, why is Jackie Clarkson region hopping, requesting UN nations to move into Nazi Deutschland Axis to endorse the current delegate? She is NOT a member of Nazi Deutschland Axis and, as far as I know, NEVER has been. Also, she has the password to Nazi Deutschland Axis and, is passing it out to the delegates/founders of these regions. This does not seem legal to me. To verify that I am being truthful the following quote has been taken from her post in the region GLA and First Reich of Der Fuhrer:"I will now provide the Nazi Deutschland Axis pw to GLA's delegate and founder. Please come to the region and endorse Good Children."

I don't think she has the legal right to do this! Again she is not a member of Nazi Deutschland Axis!!


Imperial Europe
Regional Happenings
13 hours ago: The Algierine Protectorate of Jackie Clarkson password-protected the region.
13 hours ago: The Algierine Protectorate of Jackie Clarkson arrived from GLA.
13 hours ago: The Algierine Protectorate of Jackie Clarkson removed regional password protection.
14 hours ago: The Algierine Protectorate of Jackie Clarkson departed this region for GLA
15 hours ago: The Algierine Protectorate of Jackie Clarkson password-protected the region.
15 hours ago: The Algierine Protectorate of Jackie Clarkson updated the World Factbook entry.
15 hours ago: The Algierine Protectorate of Jackie Clarkson updated the World Factbook entry.
15 hours ago: The Algierine Protectorate of Jackie Clarkson arrived from First Reich of Der Fuhrer.
22 hours ago: The Algierine Protectorate of Jackie Clarkson departed this region for Pacific Defenders
1 day ago: The Algierine Protectorate of Jackie Clarkson arrived from Pacific Defenders.

Pacific Defenders
1 day ago The Algierine Protectorate of Jackie Clarkson Nice job defenders :)
We will need more of you so contact your leader/founder here for the pw

You might also read the RMB's for the regions NAZI EUROPE, The URAP, NDA and of course Nazi Deutschland Axis. We certainly differ in politics than Good Children (and I might add I am quite different than many of you :D ) but after tonight I convinced her that her planned legal refound was about to be thwarted by the known DOS in NS nation of Puerto Centro/Hitlers Austria (original founders btw of my region Imperial Europe and also NAZI EUROPE respectively.

Defenders there in the region I am told are to remain until further notice. Meanwhile I need to compile more filings about DOS nation sightings and report them to the authorities ;)


First Reich of Der Fuhrer
16 hours ago The Algierine Protectorate of Jackie Clarkson Greetings DFD, Inferno, and all:

I am here to ask of your assistance like never before.
Inferno and Dante certainly will remember the now DOS in NS nation Puerto Centro. That nation originally founded my region of Imperial Europe. Thanks to Dante, Inferno, Nolaerie and many others in spite of any political differences we united to take my region back from influence of the once-regular zombie clones of PC and ultimately refounded it.

Another region in NS, Nazi Deutschland Axis, having lost their founder, sought out the known very authoritarian Mother of Good Children (originally from NAZI EUROPE) to help refound their region. They knew that Good Children had major experience in assisting NE to refound their own region.

As you probably know DFD us women in NS are relatively few in number. Yet we command vast armies and realms. I managed to corral even anti-nazis like the ANA and the biggest defender groups in NS to safeguard my home region of Imperial Europe from the zombie clones of Puerto Centro and Hitlers Austria.

So now is an opportunity for you to join us in Nazi Deutschland Axis. Sensing the reemergence of that DOS player Puerto Centro, Good Children alerted THIS fellow authoritarian lady in NS to provide contingency defense of her refounding project. We have done so with Pacific Defenders.

In order to successfully allay concerns of some other known rulebreakers (notably the MT Army) from taking advantage of this situation, I am personally imploring you to move your nation, your UN nation + Inferno and Callisdrun if possible, to Nazi Deutschland Axis region and endorse Good Children.

I will telegram you all the pw now and thank you in advance for your consideration here.

BTW -- apologies to DFD for drafting Tullio from Nolaerie's Storage Unit to do research for me.
He'll be back here once we help Good Children restart the refounding of Nazi Deutschland Axis

--Jackie


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14 hours ago The Algierine Protectorate of Jackie Clarkson Greeting GLA allies,

I am here in dire need of your assistance.
CG,

I am appealing to you to help assist Pacific Defenders in their defense of a LEGAL refounding in the region "Nazi Deutschland Axis". Please if you can instruct any UN nations able to come to the region and endorse its originally internally-elected delegate Good Children.

I have been in consultation with Good Children for the last few weeks when evidence of the presence of the now DOS in NS zombie nations of Puerto Centro/Hitlers Austria was trying to come back from the NS grave once again and thwart a legal refounding of the region.

GLA I know is intimately acquainted with this DOS player, for his nazi allies thankfully were bested by you guys and gals for several months until I was able (with the help of Nolaerie, Satans Angels plus many others was able to refound my home region Imperial Europe. For that I am ever grateful to this fine region.

Good Children was invited by Nazi Deutschland Axis' natives to assist in a refounding.

I have taken the liberty to repost relevant telegrams on the Imperial Europe Civil HQ. You can also read (as of this writing) Good Children/Good Housekeeping's posts in the following regions:

Nazi Deutschland Axis
NDA
NAZI EUROPE
The URAP

Plus read the threads she started in Gameplay forum:

Nazi Deutschland Axis
My Good bye to NAZI EUROPE

Thank you for whatever assistance you can provide.
Chiefly, I think that Good Children should be given the space to eject two remaining MT Army endorsers at the request of Nazi Deutschland Axis' natives (she had already ejected one and one fled before she would've been able to) that entered the region during the turmoil.

Yet I suspect she doesn't want the PC/HA DOS collaborators to hold sway in the region. Last night though she posted in The URAP her contention that she was willing to even eject her own endorsers if they didn't pass muster with the regional natives.

Pacific Defenders will undoubtedly send more nations in when they log on to NS. They are however a small group and it would be truly wonderful to have the support of the GLA :)

I will now provide the Nazi Deutschland Axis pw to GLA's delegate and founder. Please come to the region and endorse Good Children.

The Mods btw have been advised of this and both me and Good Children weeks ago provided a list of suspected DOS nations that were known zombies of PC/HA -- that latter nation Hitlers Austria you can read for yourself his presence in the NAZI EUROPE offsite forum thread (Good Children posted a parting statement last night there under the section "Allies" (then click "Nazi Deutschland Axis attempted refounding")

Thanks again

Jackie

she's just asking friends and allies for help, what's wrong with that? looks pretty legal to me...

she's just asking friends and allies for help, what's wrong with that? looks pretty legal to me...

I know it's not against the rules to ask for help. What I wanted know, is it legal to give out the password to another region(s) delegates or founders even though she isn't a member of NDS?

i can't think of any situation in which someone isn't allowed to give out a region's password...

pc/ha is dos how ever i did find out that he only logs in from varies libarys now so he cant be cought i have compiled records of nations that i am 100% sure are his, from the way he travles and the way he posts, but the mods cant varify its him so to him dos means nothing as he does not have to wory about getting cought

pc/ha is dos how ever i did find out that he only logs in from varies libarys now so he cant be cought i have compiled records of nations that i am 100% sure are his, from the way he travles and the way he posts, but the mods cant varify its him so to him dos means nothing as he does not have to wory about getting cought

Well what good timing to post here after White Power World Wide!
Mr/Ms WPWW, my advice is for you to share that list with NS Moderation, via the "Getting Help" page.
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First, we appreciate that the nation Fascist Ideals opened this thread here in Moderation forum. We had been urging the nationGood Children to open a thread here (because of the Hitlers Austria / DOS player connection) but she had steadfastly refused, stating simply
"This belongs in Gameplay."

BTW Good Children launched two threads in Gameplay forum:
Nazi Deutschland Axis
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380008

My Good bye to NAZI EUROPE
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=381209

Because of the nation Aryan Socialist's posts referencing my leader Jackie Clarkson, I have been asked by her to post the following statement:

Regarding the situation in the region Nazi Deutschland Axis, we of Imperial Europe and our affiliated interests to this situation were notified a that the known DOS (Delete On Sight) player Hitlers Austria/Puerto Centro was trying to influence the outcome of founding preparations in that region. Hearing of this, I contacted the nation The Very Authoritarian Mother of Good Children. I alerted her to the fact that I know from my experience that Hitlers Austria/Puerto Centro is DOS, and that her obvious interest (as seen from posts she made in her refounding haven for Nazi Deutchsland Axis' natives the region NDA was that "any refounding (preparation) attempt cannot be excuted by ejecting natives, even seemingly inactive ones').

BTW it needs to be noted for the record that while me and Good Children have taken two very different authoritarian political paths, she and I have been acquainted since our early days in the regions of the then living Puerto Centro (yes Hitlers Austria, the original creator of the region NAZI EUROPE had been deleted but his Puerto Centro nation -- which originally created the non-nazi yet NAZI EUROPE allied region of Imperial Europe -- had not I believe yet earned the DOS designation).

Good Children and I also have in common our gender. So I thought it possible for her to respond to the evidence I had compiled from her fellow nations of her region NAZI EUROPE.

Apparently Good Children has been receiving intense suggestive pressure from the Nazi Deutschland Axis native Fascist Ideals that in order to speed up the refounding that she should eject a small number of nations, irrespective of their native status, until the refounding preparation was completed.

Fascist Ideals btw was the nation that convinced the relatively few other active natives of the region to have her arrive from her home region of NAZI EUROPE to make the preparations for a refounding of what Good Children suggested "was the oldest region of its kind in NationStates."

Good Children recognized what I was speaking of and that I had the great authority to do so, based upon the central fact that I had refounded the region originally created by Puerto Centro, "Imperial Europe". I had also shared with her telegrams from the seemingly-banished nation of Adolph Hilter for whom we had given sanctuary, because he was publicly exposed as a traitor for spying on NAZI EUROPE.

Upon receiving this news, Good Children remarked that "AH is very much alive in NE and in our regional forum." So we proceeded to quickly compare notes and concluded that indeed this DOS nation had zombies that were active in NS. Both me and Good Children; along with her puppet Good Housekeeping as well as two of mine asked for NS Moderation to inspect our telegram boxes for what we thought was certain evidence of the presence of Hitlers Austria / Puerto Centro zombie clones in at least a dozen different nations.

Good Children has already made public statements about her feelings towards the presence of a known DOS player being active in NationStates. FYI information I have asked my fellow ally Nolaerie to submit this public statement of support for Good Children and her efforts to continue to live up to the charge she was asked to do (and I might add becoming the originally-elected native delegate) in Nazi Deutschland Axis -- to proceed to make preparations to refound the region in full accordance with NS rules.

Further, it was my decision to thwart Good Children's potential vote of no confidence by just one of the many nations in Nazi Deutschland Axis -- out of fears share by she and I that any new delegate would grief the region in order to speed up its refounding.

Hence our affiliated region Pacific Defenders sent in protection forces to endorse Good Children. When some invaders from The MT Army entered and endorsed her, upon recognition and verification of their real status with that group she ejected them (and I took the liberty to warn that she would eject more of them if they did not leave under their own power).

We will remain in solidarity with Good Children as she attempts to complete successfully preparations for a legal refound of the region Nazi Deutschland Axis -- much as I did along with the voluntary cooperation of over forty nations last September in my home region of Imperial Europe.

-- The Algierine Protectorate of Jackie Clarkson
Founder of Imperial Europe

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An attachment -proof of the DOS player Hilters Austria's presence in NS

Another thread of news worthy of note, taken from the NAZI EUROPE Forum (accessible via the following web address:
http://confedempire.proboards32.com/index.cgi )
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Nazi Deutschland Axis refounding attempt
« Thread started on: Dec 7th, 2004, 03:05am »
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Greetings from NDA and Nazi Deutschland Axis --
As you all may know we are in the process of attempting a refounding of our original region. To help facilitate this the first step was to do an inventory of our nations and levels of (in)activity.
Please look at this list (posted in Nazi Deutschland Axis' RMB; we'll try to update and post it every couple of days) and if any of you have a puppet in our region please when you can recall it from Nazi Deutschland Axis and move it to NDA.
Thank you in advance to everyone and a special appreciation to TSE/TCE and Panzerfaust 88: SS NE and NE has been my home since I began playing NS. With my puppet Good Housekeeping I have been in Nazi Deutschland Axis (and now NDA) since the unfortunate deletion of the original NDA founder. It is hoped that the original NDA can follow the example set by my home region
BTW -- I will keep folks up to date on our progress.
I certainly would welcome any of you to telegram me with any suggestions and comments.

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Re: Nazi Deutschland Axis refounding attempt
« Reply #1 on: Dec 7th, 2004, 1:47pm »
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Bet the antis will refound it instead.
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Re: Nazi Deutschland Axis refounding attempt
« Reply #2 on: Dec 7th, 2004, 10:56pm »
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on Dec 7th, 2004, 1:47pm, Hitlers Austria wrote:
Bet the antis will refound it instead.
Why do you say that? Yes of course this is risky. But the region is dying a slow death if we don't try. Please elaborate...
BTW -- HA you know about the Socialist Soviet Republics -- what kind of thing got them feeling like they were stung?
(and maybe related to this -- the nation "Soviet Austria" was deleted by NS Moderation)
The antis that are doing direct battle with us, well we have them either on the run or our good delegate/refounder gives them the boot
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Re: Nazi Deutschland Axis refounding attempt
« Reply #3 on: Dec 8th, 2004, 7:11pm »
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Well, Not an insult to us but the ANA has a way of refounding regions that we dont know exsists.
They're a lot more "experienced" at it.
Look at our attempt to refound IE, We ALL tried but we still lost.
Refounding just aint our thing, We're better off "attacking" with UN Delegates.
As for 'Soviet Austria' it has nothing to do with me, Despite the Name, other people use the term 'Austria'.
I dont know much about SSR but i'm pretty sure they aint nazi spys......
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Re: Nazi Deutschland Axis refounding attempt
« Reply #4 on: Dec 13th, 2004, 05:45am »
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To the bonafide nations of NAZI EUROPE --
Tonight will go down in imfamy as to the ultimate negative consequences for allowing a known DOS player have such a hold on our region.
I was first elected to my position here in Nazi Deutschland Axis by natives here. Two of them still support me as of this writing. I only acted this evening to invite into the region The URAP and Pacific Defenders upon evidence that I received that the known DOS in NS Puerto Centro was communicating directly with Fascist Ideals regarding removing me as the delegate.

PC/HA knows that I have been more than anything a cheerleader for Panzerfaust 88 and the region beyond your justified DOS and that really bothers you. Frankly you deserved your DOS for flaming various players including your own allies way back last Spring (Northern Hemisphere) when I joined SS Nazi Europe.
I joined because I had the hope that after your virtual disappearence from NS that TSE and PF would refound the region to make it free of your negative influence.
Alas a cult of personality has formed for you such that you remain alive and well in NS through your various zombie puppets. Your presence has not served NE nor the wider nazi / aryan world well.

I came here to the original NDA to begin a new life. As many of the legitimate nations here know (like PF and TCE/TSE) I moved my puppet Good Housekeeping to the region months ago when TSE wanted to close out SS Nazi Europe for renovations. Then unfortunately the nation Nazi Deutschland Axis founder of the longest and most populated nazi region in NS was deleted.
My own investigation revealed that he was deated for flaming nations outside of his region. It was the first time he did such a thing and I am still more than willing to give him the chance to refound the region.

Unfortunately the nation Fascist Ideals after weeks of encouraging me to refound the region -- amazingly noone else not even reportedly NDA2 (according to Fascist Ideals but maybe he was just making that up) wanted to do this refound.

As PF knows I have steadfastly encouraged a refounding of NE since the awlful gameplay of once again you guessed it PC/HA caused PF to found his region for a time Nazi Union. I am glad that TSE / TCE succeeded despite my expressed private reservations that ejecting our own nations imperiled the refounding. Fortunately for us the Mods did not listen to the head of the dreadful Anti Nazi Alliance Nolaerie for whom his ANA / KT Museums had already refounded so many of HA/PC's regions.

Alas I find myself saying goodbye to NE. As long as HA/PC is here in this forum (and how many nations here are really his I would figure about 1/2 of them including Adolph Hilter and JNE and probably Fascist Ideals).

The flaming of Ubedarn more than anything propelled me to despize you PC/HA. We had the chance to have a real alliance of our regions to present to the legions of young people looking at our ideology (you hardly know me well enough to call me a Republican -- if that is the case then I am just like that Republican that almost won the Louisiana Governors office in 1991 David Duke -- whom btw is a neo nazi of the first order.

I think we all know just whom "The Village Idiot" really is -- that DOS in NS player behind zombies whom btw have been reported to NS Moderation
*set timer*

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Re: Nazi Deutschland Axis refounding attempt
« Reply #5 on: Dec 13th, 2004, 05:55am »
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BTW --
It needs to be noted here that while I truly admire Ubedarn and his region The URAP I am not nor I have ever been in his employ here in NE. Rather I was most loyal to Panzerfaust 88 and to The Southern Empire.
Obviously because of all this I think unless you abandoned the region PF and TSE/TCE our relationship has changed.
All the best to you two in RL and in NS
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Re: Nazi Deutschland Axis refounding attempt
« Reply #6 on: Dec 13th, 2004, 1:57pm »
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Well its clear you dont like me.
I got nothing against you, but I will always hate Ubedarn, The Village Idiot.
And there a dozens of NE real natives, from Feb04, who I've tracked down, suprisly most no longer reside in NE, who hate Ubedarn with as much passion as me.
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Re: Nazi Deutschland Axis refounding attempt
« Reply #7 on: Dec 13th, 2004, 7:01pm »
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ha f***ing quit it you are dos
so quit trying to f*** up are in game relationships with the urap
gc i am not ha
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Above statement and attached evidence conveyed by
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Imperial Europe

Concerning my asking Good Children to eject nations before any refounding: What’s interesting about this situation is that, based upon private suggestions I made to Good Children by tg, she has reported me to moderation, and has been communicating with the likes of the notorious nazi-hater Nolaerie regarding what she should do. Good Children would like it if moderation “deals with me”, whatever that is supposed to mean.

I should add that no one was ever threatened with ejection, and that it was never stated on the regional board that anyone would ever be ejected. Also that the ejection thing was conditioned by the fact that Good Children is borrowing her UN status from another nation and has to return it to him in less than two weeks. If she was going to refound then it seemed to me that there would be no other way. And at that time, I did not know definitively that what I was suggesting might be a violation of NS rules.

If any nation had stated that he or she did not want to be ejected, I never suggested that they should be. Everyone was to be contacted and given numerous chances to depart within the timeframe that Good Children imposed for the refounding. These nations would have, if they became active again, been welcomed back to the refounded region.

What is happening here with this ejection business being raised is twofold: one is an attempt to get my UN status removed by Good Children for her own benefit, the other is to distract from the larger issue of what she has done and is doing in the region to cling on to power. Using this paranoid Jackie Clarkson Puerto Centro zombie clone cult of personality DOS garbage as an excuse to stage a coup is so pathetic that it’s laughable.

Anyway, I know as long as I am active, have stated publicly that I am not going anywhere, and oppose Good Children refounding us, that she cannot refound us. And yet she still thinks that she can. Very strange.

Nolaerie, we can have whoever we wish on our off-site forum, the off-site forum is not a part of nationstates. And I know what you're going to say "You discuss nationstates in your off-site forum." So what? It's our forum, we will discuss whatever we want to discuss. Yes, HA/PC is part of our off-site forum, but whatever happens on the off-site is OUR business.

Also, Good Children made accusations stating that join-nazi-europe and adolph hilter may be HA/PC, this is not the case. I have evidence which proves that they are NOT the same person.

In my opinion, I believe that Good Children has broke rules at some point during this fiasco.

I shan't make further comment on it until the moderators investigate further.

Regards
Panzerfaust 88 - UN Delegate of NAZI EUROPE.

Nolaerie, we can have whoever we wish on our off-site forum, the off-site forum is not a part of nationstates. And I know what you're going to say "You discuss nationstates in your off-site forum." So what? It's our forum, we will discuss whatever we want to discuss. Yes, HA/PC is part of our off-site forum, but whatever happens on the off-site is OUR business.

We appreciate your honesty regarding the presence of zombie(s) running your offsite forum that clearly would not exist were it not for this game NationStates.

I am certainly not one to begrudge folks who play this game that they can also play others. Yet am I not correct that advertisements of other games in NS is prohibited? I will be glad to be corrected, for I learn alot of things from my mistakes as well as any response to when I am correct.

It just has occurred to me that the NAZI EUROPE forum, run by the DOS player Hitlers Austria, falls into this catagory.

This just my opinion and food for thought. Anyone else care to elaborate?

Now, for the password issue.

The only thing here that might be problematic is that GC is no longer supported primarily by native regions. No action will be taken now until a second opinion can be aquired.

- The Most Glorious Hack
NationStates Game Moderator


How long do you think it will be before the second opinion has been acquired? I would really like to know.

I always thought that a situation where you have a UN Delegate who only joined the region in the last few weeks, who now refuses to give out the password to natives, who has supported herself through importing known opponents of our region (The MT Army) or people who at best don't share our views (The Pacific Defenders), and is now endorsed by only one remaining native because he hasn't logged on since all this occurred, would present a fairly clear example of some kind of rule violation. Surely, you can request Good Children to give the password to the remaining active UN native nations: The New American Reich, The Sadistic Skinhead, and myself.

-Fascist Ideals

We appreciate your honesty regarding the presence of zombie(s) running your offsite forum that clearly would not exist were it not for this game NationStates.

I am certainly not one to begrudge folks who play this game that they can also play others. Yet am I not correct that advertisements of other games in NS is prohibited? I will be glad to be corrected, for I learn alot of things from my mistakes as well as any response to when I am correct.

It just has occurred to me that the NAZI EUROPE forum, run by the DOS player Hitlers Austria, falls into this catagory.

This just my opinion and food for thought. Anyone else care to elaborate?


The off-site forum is not a game, it's FORUM!!
Also, it is NOT run by Hitlers Austria, the board was created and is run by The Confederate Empire. So please, get your facts straight before making accusations.
Thank you.

Offsite forums based around NS are certainly allowed to be posted in WFE and in legal regional advertisements. As for the rest of this, I have no clue what is going on, so "no comment."

How long do you think it will be before the second opinion has been acquired? I would really like to know.

I always thought that a situation where you have a UN Delegate who only joined the region in the last few weeks, who now refuses to give out the password to natives, who has supported herself through importing known opponents of our region (The MT Army) or people who at best don't share our views (The Pacific Defenders), and is now endorsed by only one remaining native because he hasn't logged on since all this occurred, would present a fairly clear example of some kind of rule violation. Surely, you can request Good Children to give the password to the remaining active UN native nations: The New American Reich, The Sadistic Skinhead, and myself.

-Fascist Ideals

Highlighted emphasis in the above quote is mine.
In response I wish to debunk Fascist Ideals' contention that the MT Army's nations even made a difference. I will do so by reprinting a telegram I just received from the founder of The MT Army region:


Received: 41 minutes ago
I will do as you say but you are a traitor! The MT army does not agree with people who kick us out after we helped them.

The above telegram refers to my request made that they remove "Nazi Deutschland Axis" from their World Factbook Entry as being a Nazi region invaded by them. When I filed my formal request with The peace makers, I carbon copied my request with both NS Moderation and Dewey-Cheatem and Howe. I think that if you look at my endorsers you will see that even without the MT Army's that those with Pacific Defenders still gave me a numerical advantage here.

Now if I really wanted to takeover this region why would I want to eject my own endorsers? Yet I did exactly that, knowing full well of the MT Army's history with the region. I am here in Nazi Deutschland Axis doing my very best to uphold my original charge here: to prepare the region for a refounding.

pc/ha is dos how ever i did find out that he only logs in from varies libarys now so he cant be cought i have compiled records of nations that i am 100% sure are his, from the way he travles and the way he posts, but the mods cant varify its him so to him dos means nothing as he does not have to wory about getting cought

Thank you for confirming my fears that lead me to take the extraordinary step to call into the region defenders to preserve my efforts at preparing for a legal refounding of the region. Come on Fascist Ideals, let's be honest here! For WEEKS you had asked me to be the actual refounder of the region. You even urged me to gain UN status when I had none to do so. Then all the sudden on the advice of someone with whom I remember you said was "in (my) home region of NAZI EUROPE and whom (you) had known for a very long time", you up and decided that I was unworthy for the task.

Then when I asked why, you gave me this rather lame excuse that, according to this unnamed player you "had known for a very long time" that I wasn't nazi enough for you! Gee, you had WEEKS to investigate me. I gave as references the current delegate of NAZI EUROPE Panzerfaust 88; as well as the refounder The Confederate Empire. Plus you had access to all the other NE High Council nations via telegram to check me out. That is, except one nation -- The DOS in NS zombie Hitlers Austria!

Yet when all the sudden this player out of the blue tells you that I am but a mere "Republican" (would a "Republican" btw display for months a "SS" flag?) then I am unworthy! ;(

In analyzing this sudden change of heart by you, I had to recall the time that preceeded this, up until you proudly exclaimed that I was the right nation for the refounding! In that time, the following to the best of my recollection happened:

1) At your request, I changed my flag from that of NAZI EUROPE's official one to one that more reflected the realm of Nazi Deutschland Axis. You even suggested utilizing aryan components. So a flag picturing white children playing -- since after all I am "The Very Authoritarian Mother of Good Children" -- wasn't good enough?

2) In response to your insistence that a refounding would not work without ejecting overtime a few mostly inactive natives to effect the refound; I replied that the only way I knew such ejections were possible was to find proof that any of these seemingly inactive nations were indeed invaders. Then I proceeded to tell you just how I was to actually accomplish this -- by getting them to expose themselves via telegrams asserting their real intentions.

Per our discussion earlier on this matter at most there would have been two to three such nations left in the region. Indeed, it looks like two of them as of this writing will simply cease to exist if they are not on vacation mode. The rest of them however, I said, were natives; which had to be persuaded, encouraged, cajoled and otherwise shown that it would be in their interest to leave the region voluntarily or simply cease to exist so that we could secure the region better.

Yet I return to the flag issue. It was that issue so long ago back when Nazi Deutschland Axis still had a founder and you were trying to be admitted into my home region of NAZI EUROPE. But alas, you would've had to give up your unique custom made flag (which btw hardly looks like a nazi/fascist one). And remember, I was the only nation within NE that tried to suggest that maybe diplomats like yourself could be given a special exemption on the flag rule. Alas, I did not serve on the High Council so I just urged you to stay in touch with me throughout your travels in NS.

With that issue and more (like the question of gender with which you had said that I should be proud of whom I was) I made the inescapable conclusion that this unidentified person you have known for a long time was really just jealous that this Very Authoritarian Mother of Good Children would be the one to effect the refounding of the only other region in NationStates that would rival his own. And that person, unless it is absolutely proven to be otherwise, is that unapologetically welcomed zombie Hitlers Austria.

Hence my need to ask known nations who honor NS rules to enter Nazi Deutschland Axis to safeguard my legal refounding preparations. And compare as you say Fascist Ideals, "people who at best don't share our views (The Pacific Defenders)." Well their "views" are in accordance with mine insofar as that they actually uphold their own to endorse me so that we can thwart a planned ejection of inactive nations, native or otherwise, which would really meaning griefing. As I was an originally internally-elected delegate to accomplish the hard task of refounding preparations that not a single one of my new critics even relished doing, I will seek to remain in place as delegate until circumstances (like a recanting / renunciation of collaboration with a known DOS zombie player) warrant a change.

The Very Authoritarian Mother of Good Children
UN Delegate, Nazi Deutschland Axis

If you don't trust me - if you really think I am some zombie/clone/operative/supporter/enabler of Puerto Centro or whoever it is, then just give the password to The New American Reich and to The Sadistic Skinhead, the last two remaining active UN members apart from myself. Is that too difficult to do?

And again, and I am getting tired of writing this, which part of the following is it that you don't understand:

You will not refound this region.

You will not refound it yourself, nor, with what you have done, will you ever aid anyone else in the process. There is no one in Nazi Deutschland Axis who has a single good word to say about you anymore - apart from the people you imported to make sure you retain the delegate status that is.

-Fascist Ideals

If you don't trust me - if you really think I am some zombie/clone/operative/supporter/enabler of Puerto Centro or whoever it is, then just give the password to The New American Reich and to The Sadistic Skinhead, the last two remaining active UN members apart from myself. Is that too difficult to do?

And again, and I am getting tired of writing this, which part of the following is it that you don't understand:

You will not refound this region.

You will not refound it yourself, nor, with what you have done, will you ever aid anyone else in the process. There is no one in Nazi Deutschland Axis who has a single good word to say about you anymore - apart from the people you imported to make sure you retain the delegate status that is.

-Fascist Ideals

My lack of trust is wholesale for you and for the New American Reich.
As of this writing, I see that The Sadistic Skinhead is still an endorser of me.

I am getting tired too of writing this; which part of the following is it that you don't understand: I was asked to be here by you and originally selected as the internally-elected delegate to prepare the region for refounding. And despite your stated wishes that I also refound the region once all nations in it either voluntarily departed or ceased to exist, I have said that job should go to the acknowledged original creator, the nation now known as NDA2.

I am sticking to my principles of the need to call in defenders to safeguard these legal refounding preparations in light of the heretofore mentioned information regarding the presence of the DOS zombie Hitlers Austria (which btw has been confirmed by a known aryan source in this very thread, the nation White Power Worldwide).

...Upon receiving this news, Good Children remarked that "AH is very much alive in NE and in our regional forum." So we proceeded to quickly compare notes and concluded that indeed this DOS nation had zombies that were active in NS. Both me and Good Children; along with her puppet Good Housekeeping as well as two of mine asked for NS Moderation to inspect our telegram boxes for what we thought was certain evidence of the presence of Hitlers Austria / Puerto Centro zombie clones in at least a dozen different nations.

Highlighted emphasis is mine.

A CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHAT WAS SAID: I did say that "(Adolph Hilter) is very much alive in (NAZI EUROPE) and in our regional forum." The inference from her statement however seems to indicate that I thought for certain that AH was a zombie creation of Puerto Centro / Hitlers Austria.. Actually, all I was responding to Jackie Clarkson was that Adolph Hilter and his related puppets she thought were completely banished from the realm of NAZI EUROPE -- hence my reply.

On the first log-on to this forum thread, please Jackie (or your secretary Nolaerie) please correct the above referenced statement; for I have not concluded that AH was operated by the DOS player Hitlers Austria. I do concur with you however on most everything else you said, much as we clearly are two different national rulers and leaders.

-- Good Children

I am sticking to my principles of the need to call in defenders to safeguard these legal refounding preparations in light of the heretofore mentioned information regarding the presence of the DOS zombie Hitlers Austria (which btw has been confirmed by a known aryan source in this very thread, the nation White Power Worldwide).
i never once said that he was in the nda in fact as far as i know he had no intrest in it
what i said is that i know hes still in the game from the movements of new nations that i saw
but as i also said the mods cant verify it

My lack of trust is wholesale for you and for the New American Reich.
As of this writing, I see that The Sadistic Skinhead is still an endorser of me.

-- Good Children

Ha! I am not under the influence of anyone. If you recall, I endorsed you even when Fascist Ideals withdrew his -- until you imported your defenders. And BTW, "HUZZUH HUZZUH" was an MT Army member that you didn't expel (he left on his own much later). The rest can hardly be called Nazis. That was when I withdrew my endorsement, when I saw the obvious attempt at a coup you were making.

Sadistic Skinhead still endorses you but look at this: The Sadistic Skinhead is ranked 10th in the region and 30,747th in the world for Largest Retail Sector.

Most Recent Government Activity: 4 days ago

He has not logged in and he is not aware of your coup. I am confident he will withdraw his endorsement once he logs on.

And indeed The Sadistic Skinhead has just logged on and withdrawn his endorsment for you, Good Children. Your delegacy is now founded completely on an intruder basis. Not a single native endorses you.

i never once said that he was in the nda in fact as far as i know he had no intrest in it
what i said is that i know hes still in the game from the movements of new nations that i saw
but as i also said the mods cant verify it


Highlighted emphasis is mine.
It is very interesting that at once you admit the very presence and supposed location of this known DOS player (that he was not in Nazi Deutschland Axis and he lacks interest) and yet suggest that even NationStates Moderation cannot -- hard as they try -- to verify his presence.

Of course with you apparently just sitting on your hands -- I do hope you have actually informed NS Moderation to assist them to find this supreme mocker of game rules.

The whole world is wryly laughing at this spectacle of nazi zombie clones of a DOS player -- and directly at his Nazi defenders! What parades as National Socialism here in NS is propelled by long dead rulers who are idolized for being able to command the legions of automatran followers, who demand common flags for the commoners, yet get to test out new flag designs on themselves (see NAZI EUROPE)...

If I have any regrets, it is that I didn't part NAZI EUROPE sooner. Remember, this upheaval all began when Fascist Ideals got some advice from another player that he had known a long time in NAZI EUROPE to remove me as the delegate. Funny how with all this talk that Fascist Ideals and The New American Reich exclaim about native aspirations, that Fascist Ideals would allow a NON-NATIVE of the region to dictate to him like that long-time player he has known there!

And indeed The Sadistic Skinhead has just logged on and withdrawn his endorsment for you, Good Children. Your delegacy is now founded completely on an intruder basis. Not a single native endorses you.

Actually Mr. NAR, I beat you to this suggestion. It was I who first contacted The Sadistic Skinhead and explained to him that the refounding was imperiled by threats of kicking out active native nations of the region with particularly slothen rulers, slowly, over a period of days, so that all 15 or so would be forcibly relocated for the net effect of speeding up a refounding of the region.

I then suggested that I have made my point quite clear by bringing in defenders to thwart this anticipated griefing, until such time that the whole world would be watching out for the real interests of the of the region. Thank you Pacific Defenders, for putting aside your individual and collective world views to support this adoring student of Jennifer Government administration. ;)

Early on in this refounding project's preparations, Fascist Ideals expressed a sense of rushed anticipation that I finish the refounding preparations before yet another seemingly uninterested, slothenly, or, as I think, on vacation leader of the nation Nazi Deutschland Axis2 -- the region's original creator, returned to the region's day-to-day activity.

Recognizing this more fully I promptly endorsed Nazi Deutschland Axis2 and asked some of my defenders to do so. And all this was before The New American Reich had even thought that NDA2 was worthy of his own endorsement!

Mr. NAR complains too that I wasn't quick enough in my ejection of the MT Army gang. There is no convincing you that I have the interests in mind of the natives of this region. The record speaks for itself -- I only had to eject one of them to get the rest of them to leave. How does one say this delicately? ... Mr. NAR -- I lack the male bravado that you seem to think is necessary for this administration!

Back to the unassuming yet shadowy ruthless national leader The Sadistic Skinhead -- who had rescued the region from the hens breath of a MT Army takeover when the original founder was deleted -- have to say about my plans? He simply said: "ok".

As pledged, I have requested that most Pacific Defender nations depart the region when they have logged onto NS. Thank you for your fine service in stopping a planned griefing once I had lost the delegacy. And since Fascist Ideals had all this nervousness about me completing the refound before the player behind the nation who originally created this region awoke from his "slumber", I have directed a defender or two to remain behind to join me in endorsing as my replacement delegate, Nazi Deutschland Axis2.

Once NDA2's election is verified, I plan upon remaining in the region to tie-up loose ends of the preparations for the refounding. I hope that Fascist Ideals and The New American Reich are men of their words expressed in this thread -- that the original creator of the region should be the actual delegate and refounder of Nazi Deutschland Axis.

I will be watching to see that you honor your commitment ;)

--The Very Authoritarian Mother of Good Children

Regarding the above convoluted self-excusing nonsense, I have nothing to say about it except that I increasingly wonder about the sanity of the author.

More importantly, I posted this just recently in the Nazi Deutschland Axis RMB:


“The Sadistic Skinhead has withdrawn his endorsement of Good Children, which means she has no native endorsers. It’s good to see she has requested all the invaders she invited here to leave. Let's see if it happens. Even better would be if she leaves herself. She is not welcome here. NDA2 is scheduled to become the new delegate in a few hours. That’s as long as Good Children doesn’t invite the MT Army or anyone else back again.

There’s the password issue of course, since only she knows it and still refuses to tell us [natives] what it is, and we don’t know if NDA2 will ever return. I will ask moderation about this situation and see what can be done.”


So what about the password issue?

If you're going to punish me, fine, but someone has to point out the extreme irony of the situation... unless these are different people than the ones who constantly talk of a mod conspiracy and socialist hierarchy.

Spotlight on:

The Holy Empire of Nazi Deutschland Axis2

"NEVER GIVE UP THE FIGHT, ALWAYS BE PROUD TO BE WHITE"

UN Category: Father Knows Best State
Civil Rights: Average
Economy: Strong
Political Freedoms: Outlawed

Location: Nazi Deutschland Axis


The Holy Empire of Nazi Deutschland Axis2 is a huge, devout nation, renowned for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its hard-nosed, cynical population of 448 million are ruled by a mostly-benevolent dictator, who grants the populace the freedom to live their own lives but watches carefully for anyone to slip up.

The tiny, corrupt government is mainly concerned with Law & Order, although Defence and Religion & Spirituality are on the agenda. The average income tax rate is 6%. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Gambling, Door-to-door Insurance Sales, and Automobile Manufacturing industries.

Elections have been outlawed, military spending recently hit a new high, Animal Liberationists are regularly jailed, and a dictator has seized power and outlawed elections. Crime is moderate. Nazi Deutschland Axis2's national animal is the I said dont delete me, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the Reichsmark.



Nazi Deutschland Axis2 is ranked 17th in the region and 62,027th in the world for Largest Retail Sector.

Most Recent Government Activity: 21 days ago

Nazi Deutschland Axis2 is in your Dossier.



United Nations Status

Endorsements Received: 5 (The Sadistic Skinhead, Fascist Ideals, Good Children, The New American Reich, Roman Ulyaoth II)
[Withdraw Your Endorsement]




Want to wire a telegram to Nazi Deutschland Axis2?

To: Nazi Deutschland Axis2 From: Good Children

Send!


It is important to note that of Nazi Deutschland Axis2's endorsers, at least three are natives. Therefore it is my reading that he is an internally-elected native delegate.

Just like I was :)
BTW, as you can see from the order above, my own endorsement was made ahead of another native's, The New American Reich.

For all the clamor over native sovereignty, it is I who has shown that I actually reflect native aspirations.

But no matter. Folks in regions everyday have disagreements.
I would just advise my critics to read again the gameplay thread thoroughly.
Then you will find that I am happy to be at home ;)

I request that moderation reset the password for our region. If it is not possible to force the ex-delegate Good Children to give us native UN members the password then that seems reasonable at the very least. We have a new delegate who has been inactive for 21 days, we have no idea if he is ever going to return. That Good Children, a non-native, is the only person here who knows the password is unacceptable.

No action will be taken now until a second opinion can be aquired.

- The Most Glorious Hack
NationStates Game ModeratorI'm sorry GC, for a moment there I thought this case had been resolved already ... but on recall I can see it has not. I seem to recall this from The Big Invasion / Delegate F.A.Q. ! (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=301703) sticky :For a delegate to be considered a native delegate, he/she must have enough native support to remain in that position without the assistance of other non-natives - invaders or neutral."
-Neutered SputniksAlso,There also was a question that what if a native had foreign support to prop himself to the delegacy, would he be considered a invader delegacy or not, and the answer was yes !So until Hack / or another Moderator comes back with a final judgement, I would restrain myself from drawing a conclusion of any sort as to who is who or who is what.

Might I add, it may be a good thing in the long run ( for Moderation Staff ) to check that " Nazi Deutschland Axis2 " is in fact the original " Nazi Deutschland Axis " ... Considering the amount of " I Say, You Say " that has gone on ... ?

I'm sorry GC, for a moment there I thought this case had been resolved already ... but on recall I can see it has not. I seem to recall this from The Big Invasion / Delegate F.A.Q. ! (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=301703) sticky :Also,So until Hack / or another Moderator comes back with a final judgement, I would restrain myself from drawing a conclusion of any sort as to who is who or who is what.


Point well taken, Komokom.
I made the statements I stated with some knowledge.
When I concluded a half a day ago that I had made my point about how the refounding in Nazi Deutschland Axis needed safeguarding under the threat of possible griefing in order to speed up refounding were I not to remain as the delegate, I had sought NS Moderation advice on what I needed to do in order to remain within NS rules -- especially with regards to the "sticky" password question.

Below was the first NS Moderation opinion I had received:

Received: 12 hours ago You are not an invader delegate so you have some more leeway. You may leave a password in place, but at that point the other natives can elect a different delegate, who can change or remove the password.

Then they dispatched a clarification, because of the two natives, Fascist Ideals and The New American Reich's calls for me to leave the region. Yet if I was to actually leave, I didn't want to open up the region to an invasion by the MT Army. Below is the second NS Moderation opinion I had received:

Received: 11 hours ago Errr... check that. Disable any and all passwords before leaving.

Hence with that second telegram, I concluded that as long as I stayed in the region, I could protect it until the new delegate, Nazi Deutschland Axis2, was elected (by my observation a majority of nations who are native).

Of course I will await any further rulings, if any are planned.
Yet I have fulfilled to the letter what NS Moderation expected of me to remain a law abiding nation.

One additional note: Everyone might gain some additional guidance from the first thread I launched in NS Gameplay Forum, simply entitled:

Nazi Deutschland Axis
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380008


Re-reading the posts by Ballotonia made me smile. :)
And my behavioral record will back it up --
My fellow nation Good Housekeeping I believe is a native. ;)

PS: You do bring up an interesting point about comparing the original nation named "Nazi Deutschland Axis" and the one we just elected delegate.

I request that moderation reset the password for our region. If it is not possible to force the ex-delegate Good Children to give us native UN members the password then that seems reasonable at the very least. We have a new delegate who has been inactive for 21 days, we have no idea if he is ever going to return. That Good Children, a non-native, is the only person here who knows the password is unacceptable.

Please allow the good delegate to come back onto NS.
He has by my count, six to seven days to do so.
(unless of course he is on vacation, which then we will find out about in, six to seven days).

BTW -- NS Moderation needs to inspect my telegrams (per my request earlier made via "Getting Help" by my nation Good Housekeeping). Then you will see that while on this board Fascist Ideals is claiming that NDA2 has been inactive 21 days, he says he had received word from NDA2 about his intentions for the region a much shorter time ago.

And you wonder why, Fascist Ideals, that I could honestly conclude that you have been under the zombie influence of a player no longer allowed on NS.

And all this was before The New American Reich had even thought that NDA2 was worthy of his own endorsement!


I had been endorsing NDA2 for a long time. I removed my endorsement so if you lost your delegacy, I could immediately take over and boot you, then return the delegacy to NDA2. Once I saw you were willing to abdicate your delegacy, I endorsed NDA2 again.

I request that moderation reset the password for our region. If it is not possible to force the ex-delegate Good Children to give us native UN members the password then that seems reasonable at the very least. We have a new delegate who has been inactive for 21 days, we have no idea if he is ever going to return. That Good Children, a non-native, is the only person here who knows the password is unacceptable.

I see that Mr. Nazi Deutschland Axis2 has come back from his time away.
So much for the charge of needing Moderation intervention to lift that password!

Good Children was right all along. And the Pacific Defenders really were defenders!

Might I add, it may be a good thing in the long run ( for Moderation Staff ) to check that " Nazi Deutschland Axis2 " is in fact the original " Nazi Deutschland Axis " ... Considering the amount of " I Say, You Say " that has gone on ... ?

I couldn't agree more. It would be interesting to see just whether NDA2 really is the player he says he is.

Another interesting observation: My reading of Good Children's original thread in Gameplay shows that her nation Good Housekeeping is a native of the region!

All this news -- Very interesting!

Might I add, it may be a good thing in the long run ( for Moderation Staff ) to check that " Nazi Deutschland Axis2 " is in fact the original " Nazi Deutschland Axis " ... Considering the amount of " I Say, You Say " that has gone on ... ?

I post the quote above again, because less than 24 hours after the election of of the nation Nazi Deutschland Axis2, that delegate has just booted a native nation, Good Housekeeping

I guess Good Children was right, the moment she let go of the delegacy, rulebreaking in the region by its invader delegate (because as of this writing only three of its six original endorsers were natives, pending the next UN update).

Not to mention whether if NS Modderation does actually check out what player is really behind the nation, "Nazi Deutschland Axis 2".

Any true native of NDA knows who I am. That is all that matters.

Other trusted nations informed me of the grief that Good Children / Good Housekeeping had been causing people, so I consider ejecting them to be perfectly reasonable.

What business is it of yours anyway Nolaerie. Were Good Children / Good Housekeeping your puppets, I'd be interested to know.

14/88

Any true native of NDA knows who I am. That is all that matters.

Other trusted nations informed me of the grief that Good Children / Good Housekeeping had been causing people, so I consider ejecting them to be perfectly reasonable.

What business is it of yours anyway Nolaerie. Were Good Children / Good Housekeeping your puppets, I'd be interested to know.

14/88

I think I made an erroneous assumption.
I had assumed that this nation was once the original founder.
I see that I was terribly mistaken. Oh well live and learn.


I cannot speak for Nolaerie nor Jackie Clarkson; but in my estimation, it was Nolaerie's and Jackie Clarkson's business to support me in this battle -- due to the fact that Fascist Ideals suddenly got cold feet after working with me and my puppet Good Housekeeping for months trying to encourage the refounding of the region.

I was tipped off that FI's sudden reversal was due to the intervention of the known DOS player Hitlers Austria / Puerto Centro. Fascist Ideals did acknowledge in his first post of this thread that a player he had known for a long time in NAZI EUROPE, a region originally created by Hitlers Austria, had told him in effect that I wasn't nazi enough for the job..

As for Nolaerie's and Jackie Clarkson's interests in all this, the same DOS player that originally created NAZI EUROPE also had created their region Imperial Europe. Fortunately for them they refounded their region -- freeing it of the cheater and griefer that still has NAZI EUROPE's nations under his spell.

I see I was really wrong here -- I should've NEVER agreed to Fascist Ideals' offer to help refound a region that was justly made founderless because of the rulebreaking of its original founder.

If that is you, NDA2, then I vow to be forever watchful towards a time when your cheating ways will catch up to you. Then my native region can be free of the rulebreaker that ultimately caused this very need for refounding in the first place.

*takes ignore medication*

The Very Authoritarian Mother of Good Children

If you are so desperate to found a region go and make your own one.

NDA is no cheat, but the victim of extreme moderator bias.

I would like to point out that NDA2 whether liked or not is the native delegate since he has the support of the majority if not all of the remaining native un members. And he is allowed to eject people who are perceived as troublemakers. Which due to the circumstances preceding the ejection and his election, he could make a case.

Outside of that though, I feel GC was treated unnecessarily harshly by those she tried to help. I do believe that the regions first outside interferance that triggered this episode of instability did not come from GC, but from a native in region listening to possibly questionable intel from an outsider. While her reaction to it could have been better, she was only acting in what she believed was the best interest of the region she was asked to help. Fact is if she wanted the region to go to MT Army, it would have been in there hands.

Hopefully this issue will die down, and the NDA can make a legal refound of there region. In addition I hope that in making this refounding that they will avoid things that caused this said region to be founderless in the first place.

Anyone who would give the password for our region to The MT Army to remain the Delegate, and who would consult with someone like Nolaerie for advice, was/is unfit to be in Nazi Deutschland Axis. Enough said.