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seems either i missed a new ruling, or these people are making up new rules..

Seconds ago The Psychotic Field Marshall of Drakothonia II lol not if they arent UN... your not allowed to eject non-UN's... i know, ive had a UN of mine deleted for doing that, even though they just arrived and they were invited there by natives, as i was invited here and am non-UN so i can't be ejected.

is it true you are not allowed to ban non-native un nations anymore? because those can become UN in a matter of seconds.
can a mod please comment on this?

I've not heard about this...

dude.. you're not a mod.. you don't really need to comment....

as was my comment unnessecary.... except to say... right...

seems either i missed a new ruling, or these people are making up new rules..



is it true you are not allowed to ban non-native un nations anymore? because those can become UN in a matter of seconds.
can a mod please comment on this?

If you're the Founder you can eject anyone you like. If you're the delegate, you can eject non-native and let 'em stay on the banlist.

I have not been aware of any change.

When i've taken delegacy with a puppet nation in a crash, and so have many DEN members, for ejecting non-UN's we got banned/ejected from UN or deleted.

dude.. you're not a mod.. you don't really need to comment....

as was my comment unnessecary.... except to say... right...

Are you talking about Crazy Girl or Astroman. One of them is a puppet of a mod. :)

In any event, how long does it take to join the UN? A day or is it instantenous? The reason I ask is CG's concern over nations quickly joining the UN (perhaps as part of an invasion tactic) might be tempered if it takes a few hours for the join the UN option to take hold.

It takes about 24 hours to recieve the email, if applied right now, i proabbaly wouldnt recieve the email until tomorrow around this time (give or take 2-3 hours or so).

well, if you already have the email then it only takes seconds..

* T.R. Kom sighs heavily ...

1) This is not a rule that I know of. I think The Psychotic Field Marshall of Drakothonia II is a little confused as to some other case ...

2) I agree Jonothana, I have not herd of any such change ...

3) Mikitivity, for all you know I am a Moderator puppet, just a very, very, very well set up one, ;)

( Hell, I could be Max ... heh but then again, so could you :D )

4) I thinks since the original statement was :lol not if they arent UN... your not allowed to eject non-UN's... i know, ive had a UN of mine deleted for doing that, even though they just arrived and they were invited there by natives, as i was invited here and am non-UN so i can't be ejected.A) Right ... as for the red part ... I do not think that is at all correct ... I don't think it is a rule at all ... More like the ... for example it could be the number that was kicked ... But that is beside the point here ... Unless there was a statement by Moderation staff some-where that can clear that up ...

B) As for the green part, well, if they were invited by the natives, that is an interesting point. I know in one case where I was keeping an eye on a region that was my tactic to cut through all the b.s. thrown at me by the Invading Force about my posts being " spam ", while I did my best to ensure there was fair play for the natives ... and no one tried to feed them a " wrong " set of rules ...

C) Now, for the blue part ... I do not think that is correct again. If you are an invader / defender / other, and there-fore not a native, then it is fair to kick-ban you ... of course ... there is nothing to stop you coming back with another nation I suppose ... being in the U.N. or not has nothing to do with it ...

I figure this is during an invasion of course ( from the " invited by the natives etc bit ... ) ... After all the founder can kick whom-ever they want, and a native delegate can kick-ban who ever they want pretty much ... Of course, Defender / Invader during such events rules are a little different, noo mussing up the Natives, heh ...

Any way, my own conclusion is that there is no official rule to not being able to kick non-U.N. nations. Of course, there is the Big Delegate / Invasion Rule Sticky about ... and the orange section on neutrals to remember ... that is what I like to point out when the Invaders tell me to shut my trap, ;) ...

Please do not eject the nations that are just there to enjoy the scenery. I know that is not a rule, but at least it is just the polite thing to do. You just don't eject newcomers out of paranoia. That is so uncool :D

"Man or Astroman" is a puppet of Game Moderator "The Most Glorious Hack".

I, personally, heard talk about prohibiting the ejection of non-UN-member nations; it was an idea that was being considered. However, when last I checked, this was not implemented as official policy.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

that sure would annoy invaders, half the people that are ejected are non UN, especially in the grotty back water regions that have long since died of stagnation...

"Man or Astroman" is a puppet of Game Moderator "The Most Glorious Hack".

I, personally, heard talk about prohibiting the ejection of non-UN-member nations; it was an idea that was being considered. However, when last I checked, this was not implemented as official policy.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

huh well my bad.. but anyways.. he didn't have anything useful to say anyways..... it's all a big conspiracy isn't it?

he didn't have anything useful to say anyways.....

He was a moderator that said that he hadn't heard anything about such a ruling; I do believe a moderator saying anything in Moderation is, for the most part, something to listen to in any event.

that's what you like to think... in reality, those were the code words to begin max's destruction of the earth.....


anyways, I am leaving to play KOTOR II

Some mods might have heard of it, and might not have, either way i know i have had a couple nations ejected from UN for booting then unbanning a non-UN nativve, and i know DEN has had that problem before also.

Some mods might have heard of it, and might not have, either way i know i have had a couple nations ejected from UN for booting then unbanning a non-UN nativve, and i know DEN has had that problem before also.

If it's not an official rule, then, you cannot be punished for it.

If you truly believe this is the case, that you were punished for a "rule" that wasn't really a rule, I'd suggest an appeal at admin@nationstates.net or salusa@nationstates.net.

What about DEN for banning 'obscene amount of nations' when TITO were making puppets and moving them in and out so the delegate booted them.

Now, since I do not know which particular invasion where The DEN got whipped that your talking about, I'd guess that if it was the case of The Atlantic, that quite a few of those puppets were made by natives as well as neutrals, 3rd Party players who were not there to invade or defend, but gather Intel for Natives / Moderation, log events or make sure there was fair play and no ... " mis-quoting " of the rules ...

As Tuesday Heights said, if you think you were hard done by, when this is not yet a rule, etc, ... send an email.