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3 minutes ago: The DEN 2nd Lieutenant of The English Americas departed this region for The Rejected Realms
3 minutes ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari ejected The DEN 2nd Lieutenant of The English Americas from the region.
4 minutes ago: The Protectorate of Lost Grippsholm departed this region for The Rejected Realms
4 minutes ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari ejected The Protectorate of Lost Grippsholm from the region.
4 minutes ago: The DEN Horseguard Major of Praedonia departed this region for The Rejected Realms
4 minutes ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari ejected The DEN Horseguard Major of Praedonia from the region.
4 minutes ago: The DEN Commissar of Debugistan departed this region for The Rejected Realms
4 minutes ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari ejected The DEN Commissar of Debugistan from the region.


All these guys have been ejected without being unbanned.

I remember seeing nations get deleted for this. The delegate is an invader delegate. What do you think?

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, bad bad griefers, who have taken over The DEN are ejecting and banning lot's of natives.

7 minutes ago: The DEN 2nd Lieutenant of The English Americas departed this region for The Rejected Realms
7 minutes ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari ejected The DEN 2nd Lieutenant of The English Americas from the region.
8 minutes ago: The Protectorate of Lost Grippsholm departed this region for The Rejected Realms
8 minutes ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari ejected The Protectorate of Lost Grippsholm from the region.
8 minutes ago: The DEN Horseguard Major of Praedonia departed this region for The Rejected Realms
8 minutes ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari ejected The DEN Horseguard Major of Praedonia from the region.
8 minutes ago: The DEN Commissar of Debugistan departed this region for The Rejected Realms
8 minutes ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari ejected The DEN Commissar of Debugistan from the region.



He had multiple requests to unban us, but didn't do nothing. Well, in BEER or delegate was deleted for keeping 2 natives on ban list for 20 mins. I'd like to see same standarts here.

Amen lets go mods!

Yes, i would also like to see some action, my main nation Drakothonia was deleted for 2 offences, this would be Boolari's second offence in a single update, first for the innapropriate WFE, then this greifing. If any mods are on, would you please take some action on this.

Nice one, she has 24 hours to unban you genius. Come down, and take a deep breath. Then realize you got what was coming to ya because you were causing trouble, then take another deep breath and remember, you will be unbanned in 24 hours. Easy Now buddy. *Shakes Head*

Klington, old pal, if you don't know the rules, don't post, ok? Natives must be unbanned imeediatly. Our guy even got hurt for keeping native on ban list for 20 mins. it should be like that: kick, unban; kick, unban; kick, unban; Not kick, kick, kick unban later.

* Seconds ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari removed The Protectorate of Lost Grippsholm from the regional ban list.
* Seconds ago: The Unfeigned Justice of Accordan arrived from Invaders.
* Seconds ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari removed The DEN Horseguard Major of Praedonia from the regional ban list.
* Seconds ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari removed The DEN 2nd Lieutenant of The English Americas from the regional ban list.
* 1 minute ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari removed The DEN Commissar of Debugistan from the regional ban list.
* 2 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Langman departed this region for The North Pacific
* 15 minutes ago: The GoAts of TJ Nark arrived from 10000 Islands.
* 19 minutes ago: The DEN 2nd Lieutenant of The English Americas departed this region for The Rejected Realms
* 19 minutes ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari ejected The DEN 2nd Lieutenant of The English Americas from the region.
* 21 minutes ago: The Protectorate of Lost Grippsholm departed this region for The Rejected Realms


Took 20 minutes too unban the natives, exactly as what happened at BEER Debugistan

I would like to state for the record that Boolari has twenty four hours before she needs to unban the invaders in question. I have no doubt that this will happen since she is a careful, conscientious person who always has and always will abide by the rules. I am positive that she will unban by the time required.

Then Why do we get deleted after 18 min.? DO you people go crying to the mods and then we gfet deleted?

*COUGHS* Natives may NOT be banned for longer than ONE system update. (In other words, about 24 hours.)
*COUGHS*

Would you like some cough syrup? Cuz thats a nasty cough you have.

Dont ask why i care cuz i really dont

You people!
*Shakes Fist*

Did someone lose thier temper? You no you should really stay off teh Blood Presure Pills/.

Erm guys, invading delegate has to unban Natives immediatly (that means, next action he does). I am raiding for a long time, I KNOW how it is. And it is immediatly. Not 18 minutes later, not 12 hours later. it's second Boolari offemce. He should at least be kicked out of UN.

Ya if we had 1 system update, The DEN, Invaders, Coalition of Invaders (before merging with Invaders) would never lose a region.

yeah all you so called "defenders" should learn the rules before posting this.....stuff. :gundge:

yeah all you so called "defenders" should learn the rules before posting this.....stuff. :gundge:

Um....
I posted the rules, sadly, but Mr.Expierence is trying to say otherwise...
The rules state one has 24 hours to unban a native, he doesnt have to do it right away. Can we get a mod to confirm this?
:) :sniper:
:) :mp5:

Actuly if you opended your eyes and read than you would relize that it states teh those rules are not official. Before that the rules said immeditley

The rules state one has 24 hours to unban a native, he doesnt have to do it right away. Can we get a mod to confirm this?

Then how come on multiple cases DEN and Invaders delegates have been deleted or removed from the UN for not unbanning a native right away, (i believe in Scotland, Invaders almost lost it and had teh ban-list cleared because the delegate hadn't unbanned the guy right away and left it for 19 minutes, since it was an honest mistake our delegate got a warning and the ban-list cleared).

Awww the scilence

Um....
I posted the rules, sadly, but Mr.Expierence is trying to say otherwise...
The rules state one has 24 hours to unban a native, he doesnt have to do it right away. Can we get a mod to confirm this?


There's your problem

I know, but if thats true, I can ban a native and never let them back because there are no "official" or specific set of rules. Those rules are generally followed, and while there may be extreme cases where they arent, we should still make a point to follow them in The DEN.

Klington, seriously, we KNOW the rules. I know, I have borught this matter up secificly in Mod IRC channel. It is immediate. Boolari has ejected multiple nations and waited before unbanning. This is cause for action to be taken.

You do not know the rules. This has been brought up countless times. They say it only applied for ONE case. We said, ok scotsnations, we will leave you on the ban list until update. Within 15 minutes we had mods demanding immediate unbanning. You do not know the rules, please be kind enough to learn.

*Points at The DEN*

oh look, the delegate has ejected an "obscene amount of nations". Our delegate in Atlantic got deleted because he ejected an "Obscene amount of nations" who were spammers. In The DEN all thoise nations are quiet. Well, I kow no one will ever delete a "defender". Just kick that griefer out of UN, and justice will be served good enough. it's his third offence in this update.

Please... Stop Whining.
Thats the one thing that gets at my nerves.

Oh no! it get's on your nerves! I mean, I do really really care what get's on your nerves and what doesn't.

Anyway, ejections continue and "obscene number of nations" is getting more obscene.

ah there is no way invaders can win this, the mods hate us too much... what.. do the mods not appreciate the armed forces? I'm navy now, so I can pull that on people...

but anyways..... yah, 2 offences, by the rules the mods always state, that should be an ejection at least, if not a delete.. but noooo, let's change the damn rules again

well if it gets on your nerves....
Whining Whining Whining

boys boys, keep it nice?

NEVER!!! I EAT BABIES!!! how can I be asked to keep it nice!?


hey! are those skittles!?


*wanders off*

okay..... :eek:

Lets remember what this thread is for.

There is also a degree of spamming. Several nations repeat a message telling people to quit invading, hence an advertisement. This is spam. They have ton it more than once an update.

and there is another message that i have seen being posted several times, the exact same message, the original factbook with orders in allcaps to endorse debugistan.

That mesage is posted by a native.

Crazy Girl, you and your smart counter attacks. You are indeed a great rival.

# Seconds ago: The People's Republic of Delaina departed this region for The Rejected Realms
# Seconds ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari ejected The People's Republic of Delaina from the region.
# 1 minute ago: The Most Serene Republic of Ron Artest departed this region for The Rejected Realms
# 1 minute ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari ejected The Most Serene Republic of Ron Artest from the region.
# 1 minute ago: The Republic of The boring school day departed this region for The Rejected Realms
# 1 minute ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari ejected The Republic of The boring school day from the region.

More ejections.

natives are allowed to spam?

edit: variable, are any of those natives? because from what i understand, you're allowed to ban as many nonnatives as you want..

it's not posted multiple times in a row, it's posted when it's moved off... natives can do this, grub does (did) it with the "red alerts" that he at least used to use, when cerrtain people would make puppets and spam up 1000 islands

* 1 minute ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari removed The Fiefdom of AdrianMorley from the regional ban list.
* 2 minutes ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari removed The Swiftly Tilting Colony of A Room Full of View from the regional ban list.
* 7 minutes ago: The People's Republic of Delaina departed this region for The Rejected Realms
* 7 minutes ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari ejected The People's Republic of Delaina from the region.
* 7 minutes ago: The Most Serene Republic of Ron Artest departed this region for The Rejected Realms
* 7 minutes ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari ejected The Most Serene Republic of Ron Artest from the region.
* 7 minutes ago: The Republic of The boring school day departed this region for The Rejected Realms
* 7 minutes ago: The Neatoe Whomping Nar Nars of Boolari ejected The Republic of The boring school day from the region.
* 13 minutes ago: The People's Republic of Delaina arrived from The Rejected Realms.
* 15 minutes ago: The Republic of Dead Possoms departed this region for The Rejected Realms




Please note the time span before the unbanning. At least 15 minutes. It was actually over 30 at least.

Sigh.

Main Entry: draft
Function: verb
transitive senses
1 : to select for some purpose: as a : to conscript for military service b : to select (a professional athlete) by draft
2 a : to draw the preliminary sketch, version, or plan of b : COMPOSE, PREPARE

DRAFT rules are not binding rules.

Wait, so they are not in trouble for this? This is unbelievable! How is this ANY different from Scotland? Sctosnations was told he would stay on the ban list until update. Mods took immediate action and forced us to remove him from ban list. How is this any different?

Observed:
Adacan
Altmer
Ambassador with m gun
Angels of Mercy
Atlantian Warriors
BSHUR
Buddhist Temples
Cabirus
Celtic warriors Army
Cockaroach
Coq Oeuf
Coreys Land
Cowboy Down
Dead Possoms
Delaina
DEN Power
DEN Space Marine Corps
Dictatorship lands
Dread Sun
EgnufeB
EI Cool Guy
Feindsburough
Fith Colom
Fjnraghjafgnjagnajf
Free Guantanamo
Fro freaks
Froggy Peoples
Goblin Highwaymen
Googlehagen
Gun happy fools
Helpers of need
Home of the Seanchan
HotSSpot
Imperial Thoughts
Interlibido
Iron Kings
Jacky Chan
Joe is da bomb
Kenwood_systems
Killigan
Kyliodis
Lonol
Mad Vikings
Mischief Belkin
Moes Southwest Grill
Mongro
North irishmam
North Irishman
Odds lane
Ogden Point
Oilersville<
P38or II
Port Koopers
Random Control
Realandar
Regional Guard
Ron Artest
Sadfasfaf
Santana Moss
SAS-Den-Trooper
Secreat Networks
Sientan
Spartan soldier
States Without Names
The Almighty Weyoun
The boring school day
The Cossack League
The Evil Leander
The Evil Mr Pink
The Icy Hand of Death
The Iron Empire
The Marauder Tribe
The Non French
Tripord
Trouble Stewing
Un Svetsonvilleland
Vanattaria
Verbatim7
Voodoo Falangists
Voseerin
Warpedmindsofthedead
Zennou
Zoomy Popos
Not being familiar with the situation, I will make no judgement on the nativity of these nations.

*sigh* Proof that invading invader regions doesn't bring much more than trouble and confusion.....

I'd like to point out, that, as far as I know, all of these nations were kicked by current invader delegate. Franks, our now dead founder, allways removed people from ban list after kicking them.

And many of those, were invited to stay by natives before the founder was deleted, and just logged in and went there.

Atlantian Warriors, Dead Possems, Coreys Land, EI Cool Guy, Feindsburough, Home of the Seanchan, HotSSpot, Jacky Chan, Port Koopers, The Icy Hand of Death, and The Marauder Tribe, were all there for a period before defenders came in, and Coreys Land is a longtime native there, he also hasn't been removed from ban list.

Oh and would you stop saying we are hypocrites, because you either have the wrong definition of hypocrites or dont know how to use the word, as evidenced here:
Also Take note, A Hypocritical Action is a falsity between Words And An Action. Viz. The Mayor Said "I will donate 1 Million Dollars to the Poor." And he never does. We are more of a paradox, because TITO is an entity and not an idea/theory, this Paradox does not mean TITO is a falsity in Action and Word. No, we specifically state we reserve the right to invade regions and we are invading regions, so thats not hypocritical, its more paradoxital. And if one trys to say we are bad by being paradoxatial, they obviously dont know what they are saying because the simple sentence, "If you want Peace, Prepare for War.", Is contradictatory, but generally true and right. That is why TITO is not Hypocritical. Please, read up on your terms.

Observed:

Not being familiar with the situation, I will make no judgement on the nativity of these nations.

<snip>
P38or II
<snip>

*sigh* Proof that invading invader regions doesn't bring much more than trouble and confusion.....


Hey look! I'm on that list!

But, btw, I was banned by the founder a LONG time ago, a month or so.

How does this have any relevance to the topic being disscussed? Please leave if you're going to do that all day.

Correy's has been ejected for more than an update then, hasn't he? Also, thats: Prae., Debug, and at least 4 other natives. Thats griefing!!!!

Well... It's one set of rules for Invaders, and another for Defenders...

Griefing for Invaders = Whatever the Defenders say it is.

Griefing for Defenders = Whatever the Defenders say it is.

lol, ;) :D

Edit: I'd like to know when the lucky mods (lucky because they are always present when DEN messes up, but not when defenders mess up) are going to deal with the Griefing that's going on... Even if they have been unbanned, I'd like to know why mods aren't so hasty as they are for us...? (besides the reasons I gave :P :D)

I really want to know why there hasnt been an official moderater comment yet.

*cough* Defender Bias *cough*

While we're waiting for Moderator comment, I would also like to find out if they have any comment on why Groznia was ejected from the delegacy of Urbanites. His story is that the Mods removed him from the UN because he ejected one native and didn't take him off the banlist for 20 minutes. He also says his WFE in Urbanites was considered flaming or flamebaiting and was removed. That's his story, and I'd like to hear if the Moderators have a different one, because if Groznia's story is true it seems a bad parallel to the situation in The DEN. Boolari has made an inappropriate WFE and has (according to the evidence in this thread) ejected natives and still not un-banned them and remains in the delegate's chair.

I am NOT claiming or accusing anyone of anything. I would just like to hear why Moderators thought one case was suitable for ejection and the other wasn't.

I understand the Moderators are volunteers and my request is an imposition on their time, so I deeply appreciate any Moderater response that may be forthcoming.

a friend posted this xml on our forum, Dec 10 2004, 08:39 PM GMT:

<?xml version="1.0" ?>
- <REGIONINFO>
<NAME>The DEN</NAME>
<FACTBOOK>The reformation of the warrior-class of member nations continues. History will record "The DEN" as the most notorious, well-organized and well-disciplined raider army ever to grace the battlefield. DEN raids 24/7 and has allies and intelligence agents around the world. Alert Status: War, always War Attitude: Victorious!! Forum: http://s6.invisionfree.com/The_DEN Important: All new nations to The DEN must telegram the founder for entry clearance.</FACTBOOK>
<NUMNATIONS>82</NUMNATIONS>
<NATIONS>den_quartermaster:happy_clowns:cloudy_nights:ab_der_einherjara:
the_english_americas:hammering_them:machine_gun_madness:western_influence:crimsonmist:nowacorp:
koilos_nemesis:retozar:den_recruitment:mariolund:
belgium_fighters:flippantry:the_good_soldier_svejk:malbranquez:
the_twelfth_legion:new_dnuoser:krig-7b:den_horseguards:seghulanios:belgium_evil:europaia:oddinary:
medical_experiments:ancient_trakia:ndfoc:the_guerrilla_lands:marramopia:
sword_and_pike:ramir:playa_pimps:john_peel:dandello:lanquis:nova_prussia:
invaders_of_nations:weeshnaw:thorien1:dark_age_knights:waahaahaa:jaggert:
den_messenger:lightening_levers:soviet_east_russia:attitude_910:
illuminated_ones:grippsholm_ii:debugistan:lost_grippsholm:broadview:
angry_young_women:kwaswhakistan:hornetania:sforey_city:espien:me-262:
polysylabic_words:salamandastromanin:ganymede_station:the_darkest_angel:tinkswmn:
the_scribe_of_alphaks:den_media_affairs:sonny_corleone:
housecorrino:free_guantanamo:leilas:odds_lane:praedonia:titanica:estrato:
lfarthns_agent:un_svetsonvilleland:mad_river:keifdom:boolari:1st_of_the_7th:
onlly:thomason
</NATIONS>
<DELEGATE>0</DELEGATE>
<DELEGATEVOTES>0</DELEGATEVOTES>
<FOUNDER>general_tommy_franks</FOUNDER>
</REGIONINFO>

I like this "Defender" bias B.S.... Newsflash, defenders automatically are in better light, because they belong where they are, and invaders don't... Invaders should be licking the boots of the NS staff for even being allowed to exist....

::: passes out pacifiers and diapers to the invaders :::

I like this "Defender" bias B.S.... Newsflash, defenders automatically are in better light, because they belong where they are, and invaders don't... Invaders should be licking the boots of the NS staff for even being allowed to exist....

::: passes out pacifiers and diapers to the invaders :::

Erm... Both are in a region where they aren't a native :p
Licking boots is not hygienic.

I'm not involved in this situation, but it does raise a few interesting queries about Gameplay rules, which applies to us all.

Firstly, more XML feeds would probably be helpful in determining what is actually going on if anyone has 'em.

P38or II's comment is entirely relevent, because it directly disputes the earlier statement that the now-deceased Founder didn't leave nations on the banlist.

Pirates Roost: I'd start a different topic about that or it may go unnoticed.

I assume it's probably hard to determine native status in an invader region, because most of you are out of the region a good deal of the time. I'm sure the mods are looking at this and it's probably very difficult to discern native status because of this. For example, if your troops were out in the field and are now coming home to try to liberate the region, should Boolari get in trouble for booting the incoming nations, even if they spend most of their off-invasion time in the feeders or RR to avoid tracking? Should the nations who have only been in the region for a few days because they are stopping between a long period of invading be considered natives? I'm not passing judgement by any means, I'm just saying this seems to raise some interesting questions that NS may not have seen much of before, hence it will probably take awhile for the mods to work through it.

Is there a precedent case for this kind of situation?

I'd say there is little precedent in a situation like this. With Raiders spending so much time trying to cover their tracks, they are reaping what they sowed; being invaded, and having little power of protection. Because all the hurtles they need to jump, are ones THEY CREATED THEMSELVES! So "complaining" about it now, is kind of childish. They should take the same advice they dish out to all the regions they have invaded.... "Suck it up"....

Suck it up, The DEN.... you got bested on your own turf by the same tactics you have been known to employ... You may not like it; but it is the kind of stuff you had been asking for, and now is the time for you to stop complaining and deal with it... After all "it's just a game".

Tekania, much of what you have said could be taken as flaimbait.

I like this "Defender" bias B.S.... Newsflash, defenders automatically are in better light, because they belong where they are, and invaders don't... Invaders should be licking the boots of the NS staff for even being allowed to exist....

::: passes out pacifiers and diapers to the invaders :::

And since when has DEN been known to grief regions since its refounding? (in reference to your last post).

I assume it's probably hard to determine native status in an invader region, because most of you are out of the region a good deal of the time.


Actually, Pope Hope, that's not our style. Defenders are the ones that use the same ol' nation again and again (the prominant ones at least), Invaders use puppets (at least the smart ones). So everyone that was originally in The DEN has been their for awhile...

There's a reason for this.

Defenders want everyone to know where they are (thus, use the same nation again and again), Invaders don't (thus, use differnt nations that haven't been dossiered). ;) :)

I'd say there is little precedent in a situation like this. With Raiders spending so much time trying to cover their tracks, they are reaping what they sowed; being invaded, and having little power of protection. Because all the hurtles they need to jump, are ones THEY CREATED THEMSELVES! So "complaining" about it now, is kind of childish. They should take the same advice they dish out to all the regions they have invaded.... "Suck it up"....

Suck it up, The DEN.... you got bested on your own turf by the same tactics you have been known to employ... You may not like it; but it is the kind of stuff you had been asking for, and now is the time for you to stop complaining and deal with it... After all "it's just a game".

We are dealing with it, or was the discipline within our ranks confusing you?

We have not spammed the region with hordes of puppets, have we?

We have tolerated several moderator indiscrepencies, haven't we? Sure we've voiced our opinion, but that's not whining like other sheepish natives make.

Unlike a lot of the pansie natives we've fought, we have actually gathered and tried to repulse our Invaders, rather then whine to the mods and defenders about how helpless we are.

Perhaps a little knowledge on the situation would help you know what you're talking... It always helps me... lol ;)

"reaping what you sowed" deals with your operative tactics. Especially as Jag' has mentioned. The "griefing" procedures were developed from tactics invaders had employed. And the mods are capable of telling the difference between a native and a non-native, "normally"... however, the tactics that the DEN employs for invasive operations and movements, makes it next to impossible for members of the DEN to actually get a griefing charge employed, since none of them, based on the evidence the mods gather from the server and it's logs, to tell it is griefing... Why? Because your tactics themselves make it impossible to tell. Sic. "reaping" (unable to get griefings to stick in this case) what you "sowed" (frequent name changes, to use for easy region crashing)... Literally, because of HOW you operate, it will be impossible for the mods to side with you... But, at heart, the reason they cannot, is your own fault.

In warfare, it would be the equivalent of setting off a nuke in the middle of your troops, and then complaining that you lost troops from the blast, and trying to blame it all on the enemy... It's your tactics, you've chosen to employ them; and now it's time to face the consequences of all the past invasions and the tactics you employed... The age-old-motif, what goes around comes around...

Of course, one must always ask; why invade? What's the entire point in it?

Ah... You seem to have extrapolated too much data from what little I've said...

Let's see... There was myself telling PH that everyone in The DEN, prior to the invasion of it, was a native.

And then there was myself telling you that we are dealing with the problem, but are also voicing our thoughts on the matter.
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Now tell me... How exactly, were you able to extrapolate the following?

Mods can't make Griefing charges stick (they delete us eithar way, so does it matter? lol) There's also the fact that a simple IP check would tell you who's puppet a nation was... Or did you forget about that? heh. ;)

And, that somehow the mods are incapable of moderating the situation. They never have been before, they know who's who and what's what, better then you yourself know, unless of course you're a moderator, which I seriously doubt. lol
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It looks to me that you used far too little data when assuming so much...

Also, the reason we use differnt nations all the time is because that's the only practical way to do it. Otherwise the defenders know where to go all the time. That would be like calling up the opposing general (RL example here) and telling him exactly what your plan was... lol!!!
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To your question on why raid. Because it's fun. :P

There's also the fact that NS would be a helluva more boring place without the Invader/Defender Duo... lol :)

Ah... You seem to have extrapolated too much data from what little I've said...

Let's see... There was myself telling PH that everyone in The DEN, prior to the invasion of it, was a native.

And then there was myself telling you that we are dealing with the problem, but are also voicing our thoughts on the matter.
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Now tell me... How exactly, were you able to extrapolate the following?

Mods can't make Griefing charges stick (they delete us eithar way, so does it matter? lol) There's also the fact that a simple IP check would tell you who's puppet a nation was... Or did you forget about that? heh. ;)

And, that somehow the mods are incapable of moderating the situation. They never have been before, they know who's who and what's what, better then you yourself know, unless of course you're a moderator, which I seriously doubt. lol
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It looks to me that you used far too little data when assuming so much...

Also, the reason we use differnt nations all the time is because that's the only practical way to do it. Otherwise the defenders know where to go all the time. That would be like calling up the opposing general (RL example here) and telling him exactly what your plan was... lol!!!
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To your question on why raid. Because it's fun. :P

There's also the fact that NS would be a helluva more boring place without the Invader/Defender Duo... lol :)

It would be far from a "simple IP check" to handle the plethora of nations presenting the problem. Not to mention, unless you are sitting on a static IP on a constant basis (such as I do) for them to equate much, most people's IP's change on a constant basis. So it's far from as simple as you let on about it... Possibly if the code were grabbing machine names, though they are generally assigned, as well, by the ISP's... And they could go off of email addy; assuming you use the same one for all your puppets (which would be fine as long we you don't UN multi)..... Even using the same IP addy (assuming yours is relatively static to static), it would still take lots of back-tracking to figure out who is who in relation to who was native... And given the capacity you describe, it is unlikely this could get resolved in a reasonable time frame, even with all the moderators assigned to the task of back-tracking through all that data.

I know why you use different names all the time... IT's just a matter that it makes it harder on you; in this case. While it was an advantage under invasions, being invaded, it sets you at a disadvantage.

Also, their system is not as fool-proof as you make it out to be; it is highly error prone, and can produce false negatives as easily as false positives...

And while I'm not a moderator, I am a network administrator, and understand exactly what they are dealing with; they've got just about everything implimented they can, and the system is not going to get any better, at least not while keeping NationStates "open to the public".

OK, my family's been in The DEN for a long time. Since it was known as "Hades" (my brother) to DEN (my brother again), then DEN II (half each) and The DEN (me).
But that dosn't matter, it's off the topic.
My point is that I know what happened with this in DEN, a long time ago. General Powell was deleted for something or other (my bro don't remember what). Then, General Powell just made another region and lived there. Over in DEN, a defender was delegate and performed a mass ejection of the surviving natives (15+). The defender delegate then left the region and the region disappeared as it had no people left in it. Then, very supicously, Paraclete made a new region named DEN straight after the next update. So, a mass ejection that should have resulted in the mods giving us our region back resulted in a cheating, flaimbaiting little slimeball using our region to humiliate us.

It would be far from a "simple IP check" to handle the plethora of nations presenting the problem. Not to mention, unless you are sitting on a static IP on a constant basis (such as I do) for them to equate much, most people's IP's change on a constant basis. So it's far from as simple as you let on about it... Possibly if the code were grabbing machine names, though they are generally assigned, as well, by the ISP's... And they could go off of email addy; assuming you use the same one for all your puppets (which would be fine as long we you don't UN multi)..... Even using the same IP addy (assuming yours is relatively static to static), it would still take lots of back-tracking to figure out who is who in relation to who was native... And given the capacity you describe, it is unlikely this could get resolved in a reasonable time frame, even with all the moderators assigned to the task of back-tracking through all that data.

I know why you use different names all the time... IT's just a matter that it makes it harder on you; in this case. While it was an advantage under invasions, being invaded, it sets you at a disadvantage.

Also, their system is not as fool-proof as you make it out to be; it is highly error prone, and can produce false negatives as easily as false positives...

And while I'm not a moderator, I am a network administrator, and understand exactly what they are dealing with; they've got just about everything implimented they can, and the system is not going to get any better, at least not while keeping NationStates "open to the public".

Alright. Thank you for the clarification. It would seem that you didn't assume too much from too little, I apologize.

I, as far as I know, have a static IP...

I, as far as I know, have a static IP...
Jiggle the flush lever on your computer. If you don't hear a gurgling sound, it's static. If you have a dynamic IP, you may need to call a plumber.

I know why you use different names all the time... IT's just a matter that it makes it harder on you; in this case. While it was an advantage under invasions, being invaded, it sets you at a disadvantage.


No, it shouldnt make it harder on us. We all keep our main nation in the DEN all (or most) of the time. Our main nations are never in raids and rarely leave then DEN. When we create puppets that we use in raids, they go from the region it was created in, to the region they are invading. Thats it. Our Puppets never enter the DEN and our main nations rarely leave. How does that make it hard on us?

yah.. using puppets keeps the invaders from having our invading nations on their dossier thing to know when we invade

Another Den thread that is just babbling. I see "defenders" proving facts, and a whole lot of Den puppets just babbling time away. You guys may just as well forget about you little region. This isn't getting anywhere.

1. It's not particularily little. More than 200 nations in it.
2. That message wasn't going anywhere.
3. If you're allowed to kick up a big fuss over every single mistake and rulebreaking, so are we.

1. It's not particularily little. More than 200 nations in it.
2. That message wasn't going anywhere.
3. If you're allowed to kick up a big fuss over every single mistake and rulebreaking, so are we.
Thank God someone has finnaly stated the obvious :)

I like this "Defender" bias B.S.... Newsflash, defenders automatically are in better light, because they belong where they are, and invaders don't... Invaders should be licking the boots of the NS staff for even being allowed to exist....

::: passes out pacifiers and diapers to the invaders :::


I'd say there is little precedent in a situation like this. With Raiders spending so much time trying to cover their tracks, they are reaping what they sowed; being invaded, and having little power of protection. Because all the hurtles they need to jump, are ones THEY CREATED THEMSELVES! So "complaining" about it now, is kind of childish. They should take the same advice they dish out to all the regions they have invaded.... "Suck it up"....

Suck it up, The DEN.... you got bested on your own turf by the same tactics you have been known to employ... You may not like it; but it is the kind of stuff you had been asking for, and now is the time for you to stop complaining and deal with it... After all "it's just a game".

If hard cold truth is flamebait, so-be-it.

And stop it with the "since when have we" b.s. That stuff might work on your parents, but few here buy it. DEN spends their entire life running around pissing in everyone elses cherios; and now their getting their cherios pissed in... getting kicked left and right for rule infractions in everything from griefing to UN-multi-ing... If you honestly think you can convince many if any of your innocence; you must think everyone else is a hell of alot more gullible than they are.

DEN = "the bad guys" Trust me, many moons ago, it would have been a fairly ethical rulling to declare your very existance illegal... Someone made some decision on high, showing you compassion, so you could exist to play your little games that involve pissing many people off who have little interest in region-crashing.

And if I were to flame you, BTW, you would know it.

Personally, I wish the whole lot of you would grow up.

Just because you don't like invading doesn't mean it isn't a legitimate part of the game. Please keep your comments to yourself in the future.

It is also worth mentioning that we can see posts that are deleted, so I'd advise you to think before you click that 'Submit' button.

It is also worth mentioning that we can see posts that are deleted, so I'd advise you to think before you click that 'Submit' button.

Can you be punished for deleting a post that might break the rules?

lol you were told!
:D :D :D :D

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P38or II's comment is entirely relevent, because it directly disputes the earlier statement that the now-deceased Founder didn't leave nations on the banlist.
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Yes, that is what I ment.

Yes, that is what I ment.

how long were you in the DEN before you were banned?

It is also worth mentioning that we can see posts that are deleted, so I'd advise you to think before you click that 'Submit' button.... " So - that - is why I always got told to eat all my carrots up, so I can see in the DEAT ... "Can you be punished for deleting a post that might break the rules?Now that is a very good question ...

OK, I'm gonna end this topic on a friendly and unbiased note.
The New DEN was wrong for saying the things that got him deleted. We all know that.
But griefing in regions is wrong, and it is happening too much. Any circumstances, however strong should be reported to the mods, who are here to help. If one happens to be biased, then report him/her to a different mod. But that's not likely to happen.
If a nation is unsure about whether something is griefing/spamming or not, then it should be reported to the mods, who will decide whether it is for them.
Using a World Factbookfor gloating is also wrong, and, as we have seen, can be dealt with by the mods.
It is important, however not to hassle the mods. It's fine to report something if there is something wrong, but nations shouldn't make up offences about nations. Mods can check.
Flamebaiting is a type of griefing which is also very wrong. A delegate should never be looking for an excuse to ban a nation from a region, but should be looking for excuses not to ban them or to unban them.
If a nation is settled into a region and likes it there, then they should be left there. Ejecting a native is allowed, but only on extreme circumstances, and they must be unbanned immiediately.
It is invader and defender etiquette to be nice to the natives, and on most circumstances, this is met. However, if it is not, then I once again advise nations to report all circumstances to the mods.
Invading itself is not against the rules of Nationstates, and never will be. If it is banned, then half the nations in Nationstates will be bored and leave, as many find invading and defending the only fun thing there is here. Without invaders, there would be no defenders. Without defenders, there might still be invaders, but a lot of the fun will go from it.
An invader/defender delegate should not bully the natives in any way, shape or form. They should interact with the natives, and not send the region into a cold, stale form. This is not against the rules, but it is not nice for the natives.
For many regions, an invasion will boost how good the region is. It will bring excitement, and the natives will be online more to see the current state of the nation. They will in all have more fun. So for regions like this, defender intervention may not be such a good thing. But sometimes it is neccesary. I am proud to say that my invader region, The DEN, is almost always following etiquette towards natives.
So keep following the rules, people. :cool:

Please... Stop Whining.
Thats the one thing that gets at my nerves.

Tell me, have you realised you got no moderator response because well, there simply was nothing to confirm. You lied.

It's kick,unban,kick,unban. I've had a trooper or two deleted for not unbanning immediately the ones they eject. Why would the rules be different for you? I'm sorry dude, but Boolari broke the rules there. :gundge: