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for long periods of time the mods will act like they should be acten and not hijack the forum with any heavy handed irrational bullying. But then out of the clear blue sky (I guess when they determine people may be enjoying themselves too much) they make an appearance and re-define their own rules to deat and lock anything they all of a sudden decide to reclassify as "spam"--spam is one of those nicely overbroad words that can be twisted to apply to every thread on here so they have wide latitude in harrassing whoever they want to at the moment. Maybe they do it out of boredom or maybe it gives them some kind of charge but the bottom line is maybe the mods should have their own folder where they can abuse whoever they want who enters it but its not right for them to oppress innocent posters with their arbitrary rules that are selective applied and whose definitions change with the wind. Its unethical when the forums content is allowed to be manipulated by the mods to such an extreme degree as this. With power comes responsibility but with NS mods its just an ego trip of how they can abuse power and twist their own rules

http://s3.invisionfree.com/Paradise_Beach

Come and join us, brother!

This is spam. Can someone delete it?













;)

Skapedroe, you genius. The mods can never lock this thread, for fear of vindicating you!

Way to speak up brother. Fight those arbitrary rules. You know, those ones like grammar, spelling, taste ...

http://s3.invisionfree.com/Paradise_Beach

Come and join us, brother!
thanks brother--Ill go to any forum where theres no thought control mods

Skapedroe, you genius. The mods can never lock this thread, for fear of vindicating you!
that wont stop them--they only lust power-they have no sense of ethics nor do they care about how bad they look

Way to speak up brother. Fight those arbitrary rules. You know, those ones like grammar, spelling, taste ...
and the ever changing definitions of "spam"

http://s3.invisionfree.com/Paradise_Beach

Come and join us, brother!

Sure you want MKULTRA in your forum?

I guess the reason why the mods seem to layoff for awhile could be the fact that if they acted this oppressive everyday then their lust for power and arbitrary bannings would end up totally annihilating the forum and thered be no more posters for them to feel important in front of

Sure you want MKULTRA in your forum?
LOL this thread isnt about who I am its about who you are

LOL this thread isnt about who I am its about who you are

No, I'd say it was more about you and your conspiracies.
I suppose we're all members of the Illuminati, working for George Bush?

Since when does mod oppression go through 'phases'?

No, I'd say it was more about you and your conspiracies.
I suppose we're all members of the Illuminati, working for George Bush?

Or maybe we are George Bush???

Sure you want MKULTRA in your forum?
o_O

*is scared*

thanks brother--Ill go to any forum where theres no thought control mods
Just don't call Jap a kike. He gets all sorts of sand in his vagina when someone does that.

No, I'd say it was more about you and your conspiracies.
I suppose we're all members of the Illuminati, working for George Bush?
well it IS strange how you always censor posts that expose Bushs crimes against humanity--you only allow vague links that dont last. Its like your trying to withhold information from the people the same way the American corporate media does...

Since when does mod oppression go through 'phases'?
they have to stagger it or theyd kill the forums with their excessive power lust

Or maybe we are George Bush???
well clearly non-corporate sources of radical news is censored here in accordance with the dictates of Homeland Security. The Bush admininstration rests confidently knowing that most people in power will act to abuse it and play into his hands.

o_O

*is scared*
dont worry I wont register in it--I wouldnt wanna scare you :D

Just don't call Jap a kike. He gets all sorts of sand in his vagina when someone does that.
are you Brandon Troutman?

well clearly non-corporate sources of radical news is censored here in accordance with the dictates of Homeland Security. The Bush admininstration rests confidently knowing that most people in power will act to abuse it and play into his hands.

Clearly you missed the point that I was mocking you.

Clearly you missed the point that I was mocking you.
maybe it started that way but your point was a good starten point for the point I wanted to make

This is a discussion of Moderator conduct Hence, iMove http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/images/icons/icon2.gif "Moderation".

well it IS strange how you always censor posts that expose Bushs crimes against humanity--you only allow vague links that dont last. Its like your trying to withhold information from the people the same way the American corporate media does...
First, political opinions do not factor into official decisions by NationStates Moderators.

Second, there are few posters more anti-Bush than Myrth. So, even if any of the Mods were acting with a political bias (which they're not), and even if Myrth were such a Mod (which he isn't), I seriously doubt that any political bias influenced any of his decisions against you.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

Sure you want MKULTRA in your forum?


No flaming of MKULTRA! I thank the gods of Kobol that there's someone more CT than me on this forum. Every site should have at least a few over-the-top conspiracy theory experts. It livens things up. Better yet, make him/her a mod! Now that could be entertaining! :D

No flaming of MKULTRA! I thank the gods of Kobol that there's someone more CT than me on this forum. Every site should have at least a few over-the-top conspiracy theory experts. It livens things up. Better yet, make him/her a mod! Now that could be entertaining! :DI would be a very FAIR and even mod--I wouldnt harass people unfairly over personal grudges just cause I dont like someones style

This is a discussion of Moderator conduct Hence, iMove http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/images/icons/icon2.gif "Moderation".


First, political opinions do not factor into official decisions by NationStates Moderators.

Second, there are few posters more anti-Bush than Myrth. So, even if any of the Mods were acting with a political bias (which they're not), and even if Myrth were such a Mod (which he isn't), I seriously doubt that any political bias influenced any of his decisions against you.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator
its prly more based in a deep seated hatred of radical activism then

its prly more based in a deep seated hatred of radical activism then
It's not radical activism, per se, that's the problem. The problem is that you post articles in their entirety without adding any comments of your own or any analysis of your own. This qualifies as spam. ...or possibly even trolling (which is posting controversial material merely to ruffle feathers and make people mad).

Don't just copy-and-paste. State if you agree or disagree with the article. Describe why you agree or disagree. This is a political discussion forum; discuss any articles that you post or link to. Don't just reproduce them verbatim.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

It is one thing to make some argument, however radical, by yourself, drawing on a range of references or one's own experience.

It is quite another to copy and paste some cheap BS from nutcase sites, and leave it at that, with no original or insightful comment.

High quantity of posts, low quality of posts, not even written by the individual posting them, complete absence of original material, a refusal to improve on this when asked over a period of god knows how many months, all these things will wear down one's patience.

This is not about sinister political conspiracies somehow magically agreed upon by a collective spanning pretty much the whole range from communist to fascist. No, this is one individual's refusal to accept any form of authority, irrespective of what form it takes. There are some people who will never accept the concept of authority, never accept the concept of guidelines, let alone rules. Tough s---. Like it or not, that's the system you have to work with.

Write something original, and keep it to a relatively small number of active threads. This is not an unreasonable demand - it is what I do.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

its prly more based in a deep seated hatred of radical activism then
Puh-lease.

In the sixties, civil rights activists were blasted by water cannons and had attack dogs set on them. More than a couple of them were assassinated. You try to piss some people off on an internet forum, where the greatest danger you're put in is that at some point a mod will stop you from doing it ever again. You are not an activist.

Skapedroe, if the mods were abusing their powers, you'd be deated by now.

what is everyones problem here?

It's not radical activism, per se, that's the problem. The problem is that you post articles in their entirety without adding any comments of your own or any analysis of your own. This qualifies as spam. ...or possibly even trolling (which is posting controversial material merely to ruffle feathers and make people mad).

Don't just copy-and-paste. State if you agree or disagree with the article. Describe why you agree or disagree. This is a political discussion forum; discuss any articles that you post or link to. Don't just reproduce them verbatim.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator
That and pasting whole news stories, essays, and reports that are owned by news site or company are copyrighted and therefor when posted in their entirety are violating copyright laws. Forums I'm a member at have rules regarding the posting of articles, usually the first paragraph with a link to the full story...followed by opinions regarding the story.

That and pasting whole news stories, essays, and reports that are owned by news site or company are copyrighted and therefor when posted in their entirety are violating copyright laws. Forums I'm a member at have rules regarding the posting of articles, usually the first paragraph with a link to the full story...followed by opinions regarding the story.
That's what I do too. I believe the rule is that a 200 word abstract is permissible, when giving a reference to an article. I usually keep it to 2-3 lines.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

Just a perspective of an ex-mod of a game company site.

Mod abuse is a never ending complaint.

Every site does things different. A mod at my site had two accounts. The one he started and then the one he used to become a mod. The web master desired it as to keep the mod from pounded for favors by friends, to offer a "new face" for the mod to start out as a neutral. Some were very good at the alterego approach while others? I digress.

The fact is people forget this site is free so "the customer is always right" principle does not apply here.

The fact the site is the creation of an Australian and runs on a British server kind of suggests that the Americans principle of freedom of speech is not absolute.

People always seem to forget that when you sign up you agree to abide by the rules.

The job of Mod does not pay, it is not glamorus, it does not open doors to possiblities, the babes won't think you are hot, and it does not make a resume look great.

Be thankful that the people who want to mod here, like the people enough to want to do this job. It can be very tiring.

I think it's great the mods debate and get in your face. I am sure Steph had a couple reasons to deat me, but she didn't. Motherhood teaches you to deal with whiney children! ;)

The fact you can get in a major debate with one and not be deated is a big sign that they are fair.

Be happy they enteract with you. I remember complaints about the mods only popping in to dispence punishment.

If you think you are being "oppressed" ask for a reason. But ask when you are ready to be "mature" about it.

The mods here are rather lenient. There are scores of posts and topics that never would have been allowed on my old site.

Cheers

To be honest, I have seen several cases where the mods have not acted as harshly as they could. If anything, this site has one of the kindest groups of mods I have ever seen. Most sites up this long with as many registered accounts have gotten to the point to where the mods kill on sight in certain areas and generally don't actually care about the regular poster at all. Then again, most of the sites I have experience with are American, so that probably makes a huge difference.

I'm confused,

What's with all of the NationStates moderator-hating?

I haven't spoken with all of them but I once had a dispute with another NS member and the moderator was very fair. They determined that neither one of us will be banned because it was simply a dispute and nothing much more.

I don't think a lot of people really understand how difficult it is to be a moderator on a large forum such as this one.

Difficult to move/close threads, warn/ban members - not so much. But to put up with people such as this (this very thread is an excellent example) - who whine constantly about how 'tough' the mods are - that can get to you.

I have been a co-admin/super moderator of a forum before with about 600 or so members. I believe this forum is much much larger? And believe me it wasn't easy to put up with all of the complaining from members whose thread you had closed or deleted because it had nothing relevant or valuable (spam) or was hostile to another member.

Eventually those members who you tick off become a force all their own (once again - this thread is an excellent example).

So give the moderators here a little credit.

Then again, most of the sites I have experience with are American, so that probably makes a huge difference.
Point of information, I have no intention to agree or disagree.

Of the Admins:
Max Barry and [violet] are Australian. SalusaSecondus is American.


Of the presently-active Moderators:
6 are American (myself included). 5 are British. 1 is Canadian. 2 I'm not sure about.


I believe this forum is much much larger?
The United Nations has, at present, 37,813 member nations. Each person is only supposed to have one UN member nation at a time, and we're pretty effective at enforcing this. Not all of them post in the forums. That should give you some idea of the number of users we have to handle.


--The Democratic States of Cogitation

Oddly enough, the two Mods who are the most "right wing" almost never venture into General, which kinda kills TRA... er... MKULTRA... er, whatever you're calling yourself now's conspiracy theory.

But, hey, never let logic and reality get in the way of a good rant, hmm?

And it's 10 Americans, 3 British, 1 Scot, and 1 Canadian by my count, but it's late, so I may be wrong.

well it IS strange how you always censor posts that expose Bushs crimes against humanity--you only allow vague links that dont last. Its like your trying to withhold information from the people the same way the American corporate media does...

OMFG!

Mryth = Fox News!

That explains a lot. Though it still makes him evil, just a corporate evil now instead of a chaotic evil.

Perhaps he'll treat the forum to some SHOCK and AWE.

....
The job of Mod does not pay, it is not glamorus, it does not open doors to possiblities, the babes won't think you are hot, and it does not make a resume look great.....

I disagree. :p.

And I'm sure there are ways to work it onto a resume... just requires creative writing skills.

...

Okok, so when I say 'creative writing' I mean 'stretching the truth to breaking point, and leaving out details', but the point still stands.

Oddly enough, the two Mods who are the most "right wing" almost never venture into General, which kinda kills TRA... er... MKULTRA... er, whatever you're calling yourself now's conspiracy theory.

But, hey, never let logic and reality get in the way of a good rant, hmm?

And it's 10 Americans, 3 British, 1 Scot, and 1 Canadian by my count, but it's late, so I may be wrong.
Scotland is part of Britain; Scots are British...

....
The job of Mod does not pay, it is not glamorus, it does not open doors to possiblities, the babes won't think you are hot, and it does not make a resume look great.....

I disagree. :p.

And I'm sure there are ways to work it onto a resume... just requires creative writing skills.

...

Okok, so when I say 'creative writing' I mean 'stretching the truth to breaking point, and leaving out details', but the point still stands.

Well, I haven't found it to make me attractive to any women yet, but it definitely does add to my resume.

Well, I haven't found it to make me attractive to any women yet, but it definitely does add to my resume.

You're slightly more than a mod, though. I mean, your skills are a wee bit more marketable than deleting flamers and UN multis.

Well, I haven't found it to make me attractive to any women yet, but it definitely does add to my resume.

You must hang around the wrong women then. It's the only possible explaination that doesn't involve me being wrong and/or strange.

You must hang around the wrong women then. It's the only possible explaination that doesn't involve me being wrong and/or strange.

Well, there is one I really wish I could convince to consider me as more than just a good friend, but I'm sure that NS isn't the way to go about doing so.

*goes back to the age-old belief that the way to anyone's heart is through their stomach and starts contemplating the next meal he'll cook for her*

hmmm

It's not radical activism, per se, that's the problem. The problem is that you post articles in their entirety without adding any comments of your own or any analysis of your own. This qualifies as spam. ...or possibly even trolling (which is posting controversial material merely to ruffle feathers and make people mad).

Don't just copy-and-paste. State if you agree or disagree with the article. Describe why you agree or disagree. This is a political discussion forum; discuss any articles that you post or link to. Don't just reproduce them verbatim.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator
OK thanks for clearing that up--Ill do that from now on Cogitation

It is one thing to make some argument, however radical, by yourself, drawing on a range of references or one's own experience.

It is quite another to copy and paste some cheap BS from nutcase sites, and leave it at that, with no original or insightful comment.

High quantity of posts, low quality of posts, not even written by the individual posting them, complete absence of original material, a refusal to improve on this when asked over a period of god knows how many months, all these things will wear down one's patience.

This is not about sinister political conspiracies somehow magically agreed upon by a collective spanning pretty much the whole range from communist to fascist. No, this is one individual's refusal to accept any form of authority, irrespective of what form it takes. There are some people who will never accept the concept of authority, never accept the concept of guidelines, let alone rules. Tough s---. Like it or not, that's the system you have to work with.

Write something original, and keep it to a relatively small number of active threads. This is not an unreasonable demand - it is what I do.

Tactical Grace
Game ModeratorIm goin to do that--I realize that just copy and pasting an article alone is not good enuf so Ill add my own thoughts even tho in every single followup posts to my articles are all 100% my own thoughts Ill add my thoughts to the main article as well.

Puh-lease.

In the sixties, civil rights activists were blasted by water cannons and had attack dogs set on them. More than a couple of them were assassinated. You try to piss some people off on an internet forum, where the greatest danger you're put in is that at some point a mod will stop you from doing it ever again. You are not an activist.
im a virtual one :)

what is everyones problem here?
excessive moderation

Just a perspective of an ex-mod of a game company site.

Mod abuse is a never ending complaint.

Every site does things different. A mod at my site had two accounts. The one he started and then the one he used to become a mod. The web master desired it as to keep the mod from pounded for favors by friends, to offer a "new face" for the mod to start out as a neutral. Some were very good at the alterego approach while others? I digress.

The fact is people forget this site is free so "the customer is always right" principle does not apply here.

The fact the site is the creation of an Australian and runs on a British server kind of suggests that the Americans principle of freedom of speech is not absolute.

People always seem to forget that when you sign up you agree to abide by the rules.

The job of Mod does not pay, it is not glamorus, it does not open doors to possiblities, the babes won't think you are hot, and it does not make a resume look great.

Be thankful that the people who want to mod here, like the people enough to want to do this job. It can be very tiring.

I think it's great the mods debate and get in your face. I am sure Steph had a couple reasons to deat me, but she didn't. Motherhood teaches you to deal with whiney children! ;)

The fact you can get in a major debate with one and not be deated is a big sign that they are fair.

Be happy they enteract with you. I remember complaints about the mods only popping in to dispence punishment.

If you think you are being "oppressed" ask for a reason. But ask when you are ready to be "mature" about it.

The mods here are rather lenient. There are scores of posts and topics that never would have been allowed on my old site.

Cheersyour old site sounded oppressive and I agree that the mods at NS are lenient 99% of the time--the only example of REAL abuse and corruption was the mod Tycow on the Jolt forums who is totally unprofessional and whose blatent unfairness and bias resulted in the folders he mods being pretty much devoid of any real debate and the reason is solely because of HIM--but I guess thats how real mod abuse gets dealt with--by the forum being dead--the fact that the NS forums are still active means the mods on NS are good

OMFG!

Mryth = Fox News!

That explains a lot. Though it still makes him evil, just a corporate evil now instead of a chaotic evil.

Perhaps he'll treat the forum to some SHOCK and AWE.
HAH :D

Can you maybe figure out how to answer more than one poster at a time? Posting five or ten times in a row with no one posting in-between seems awfully spammy to me. You could separate by using quote boxes or something, the way a few thousand other posters have figured out how to do it.
Originally Posted by Dumner
what is everyones problem here?excessive moderation
My problem is that a new (and usually uninformative) Skapedroe post shows up about every five minutes. Don't make the assumption that everyone agrees with your inane grievances.

Can you maybe figure out how to answer more than one poster at a time? Posting five or ten times in a row with no one posting in-between seems awfully spammy to me. You could separate by using quote boxes or something, the way a few thousand other posters have figured out how to do it.

My problem is that a new (and usually uninformative) Skapedroe post shows up about every five minutes. Don't make the assumption that everyone agrees with your inane grievances.
I answer the posts as I read them--if you want me to use the box method then youll have to explain how its done or your suggestion will be discarded

LOL this thread isnt about who I am its about who you are

Although I must thank Myrth for alerting us all

Although I must thank Myrth for alerting us all
n@rk

n@rk

Do you want to be deleted again for flaming?

I predict.... (http://photobucket.com/albums/v257/Sirithil/ortillery.jpg)

NS Mods are hated by some, because they hate not being allowed to break rules. They automatically assume it is by political motivation and power mongering; and then go on their little tantrums and rampages in some false sense of self-justification and self-victimization for sympathy. IOW it's the story of what goes on in real life on a daily basis.

excessive moderation

Intentional oxymoron or accidental?

This is spam. Can someone delete it?



;)

*slaps forehead walks away screaming *

Do you want to be deleted again for flaming?
nay

Intentional oxymoron or accidental?
I dont understand the Q

Intentional oxymoron or accidental?
Definitely accidental then.