NationStates Jolt Archive

11 hours ago: The Republic of Johnny Lydon Rotten ceased to exist.
11 hours ago: The Oppressed Peoples of The Final Circle ceased to exist.
11 hours ago: The final circle was ejected from the UN for rule violations.
11 hours ago: The Community of Street Fighting Men ceased to exist.
11 hours ago: The NI High Court Judge of Glenravel 2 ceased to exist.

Can I get the reason behind these deletions and any evidence you have against them?

probably inactivity

probably inactivity
I would hazard a guess maybe at UN Multing actually Grae, nice to see you on the forums by the way!
Notice how Final Circle was first thrown out of the UN, then deleted?

Nations that are in the UN are automatically kicked out during the deletion process. I dunno if that leaves a message on the regional board, and I dunno why a mod would eject a nation from the UN and then delete him, when they could do it all at once...

I would hazard a guess maybe at UN Multing actually Grae, nice to see you on the forums by the way!
Notice how Final Circle was first thrown out of the UN, then deleted?
Generally speaking, we Moderators don't like players speculating on why specific Moderator actions were taken. To be fair, though, a UN ejection just before a deletion does kinda give you a clue.

The official notation states that the deleted nations are reincarnations of 'eire_shamrock', who has been permanently banned from NationStates.


Nations that are in the UN are automatically kicked out during the deletion process. I dunno if that leaves a message on the regional board, and I dunno why a mod would eject a nation from the UN and then delete him, when they could do it all at once...
We like to have a proper count of how many UN multis we've had to deal with, even if the UN multi is going to be deleted immediately afterwards. A deletion will remove a nation from the UN, but will not show up when the Admins tally Moderator activity. (Read: "To inflate our scores." :D )

On a more serious note, all Game Moderator actions are logged by the system. When using that log to check the past history of an offender, it helps to know how many nations were deleted and ejected as opposed to being "merely" deleted.

Additionally, it sometimes possible that the nation should definitely have been ejected from the UN, but should not have been deleted. Thus, if we resurrect the nation, we want the UN ban to remain in effect. A deletion without and ejection does not impose a UN ban. (This type of situation is very rare.)

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

In that case Cog, you might want to check out Glenravel 3. :)

The official notation states that the deleted nations are reincarnations of 'erie_shamrock', who has been permanently banned from NationStates.

Does 'erie_shamrock' = 'eire_shamrock'?

We like to have a proper count of how many UN multis we've had to deal with, even if the UN multi is going to be deleted immediately afterwards. A deletion will remove a nation from the UN, but will not show up when the Admins tally Moderator activity. (Read: "To inflate our scores." :D )


--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Mod Squad spam! Mod Score +1, hm?

We like to have a proper count of how many UN multis we've had to deal with, even if the UN multi is going to be deleted immediately afterwards. A deletion will remove a nation from the UN, but will not show up when the Admins tally Moderator activity. (Read: "To inflate our scores." :D )

Ha! So it is true! The mod admits it! :D

The official notation states that the deleted nations are reincarnations of 'erie_shamrock', who has been permanently banned from NationStates.


This is outrageous.Where is the evidence?

we would appreciate a full answer moderators. I know you dislike this - you just said - but the fact is that Final Circle and Glenravel 2 both acted as seperate nations. In our region you MUST be UN to vote for elections. They both voted.

You state that a reincarnation of Eire-Shamrock is the case. However are all these nations reincarnations? Meaning they are all the same person? And if so, how can you still have Glenravel3 roaming the place. Its confusing i must say.

Northern Ireland as a region is wanting an explanation. The nations in question, Final Circle is an elected Senator and Glenravel2 is the Justice Minister. I also would appreciate an answer as GR2 is blaming me and a couple of allies for the deletions.

It may be unconventional for you to state fully why, but in this case i hope you make an exception. As to why both GR2 and Final Circle are the same nation. This is why Daltwood2 (who is the Northern Ireland delegate) came asking.

daltwood whilst you are used to throwing accusations around in Northern ireland, dont assume the moderators are against you. They clearly are not. If they believe that GR2 or Final Circle or whatever is a reincarnation of Eire_Shamrock then they are probably right.

Personally i wouldnt be suprised if GR2 is a reincarnation of someone on the permanent ban list. But thats just because....stops before he flames ;)

Does 'erie_shamrock' = 'eire_shamrock'?
I misspelled it. Error corrected.

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Before I go any further, I'm going to note for the record that I am not the Moderator who handled this case. I haven't reviewed the evidence, and I'm just going by the motations left by the Mod who did handle this.
we would appreciate a full answer moderators. I know you dislike this - you just said - but the fact is that Final Circle and Glenravel 2 both acted as seperate nations. In our region you MUST be UN to vote for elections. They both voted.
That doesn't necessarily mean anything. People have cheated, before, by having more than one nation in the UN.

You state that a reincarnation of Eire-Shamrock is the case. However are all these nations reincarnations? Meaning they are all the same person?
Correct.

And if so, how can you still have Glenravel3 roaming the place. Its confusing i must say.
I'm not familiar with the details of this case and have opted to leave further action to the Mod who originally handled it. I'm merely answering questions to which I know the answers.

Northern Ireland as a region is wanting an explanation.
You'll have to wait for the Mod who actually handled this case for any further explanation.

I also would appreciate an answer as GR2 is blaming me and a couple of allies for the deletions.
Unless the deletion was committed in error, he has only himself to blame.

This is outrageous.Where is the evidence?
It may be unconventional for you to state fully why, but in this case i hope you make an exception. As to why both GR2 and Final Circle are the same nation. This is why Daltwood2 (who is the Northern Ireland delegate) came asking.
For security reasons, we do not reveal detailed evidence.

daltwood whilst you are used to throwing accusations around in Northern ireland, dont assume the moderators are against you. They clearly are not. If they believe that GR2 or Final Circle or whatever is a reincarnation of Eire_Shamrock then they are probably right.
We're usually right, yes. Mistakes happen from time-to-time, and when we confirm that we've made a mistake, we correct it. Usually, though, we're right.

In any event, mistake or no mistake, you have to wait for the Moderator who originally handled this case.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

thank you for your comments regarding the issue. I know it can be hard being a moderator some times, especially when you come under such pressure from nations involving a case you didnt even deal with.

Personally, i believe GR2 was deleted permanently - he is strongly Irish and very outspoken - and that Final Circle was a friend who foolishly set up on GR2s computer.

From what i have learned during my time in a Criminal Justice class, investigations take time. Most likely, the accouts were accessed from the same IP Address (the numerical pin that your computer is assigned from your ISP).



Just my personal oppinion based on my Technology and Criminal Justice classes.

Sorry if I sounded a bit angry.I'm just annoyed.I can provide both Glenravel 2's and Final Circle's different IP addresses if you'd like.Screen dumps if need be.

from what i know, the IP addresses are from your original IP address.

Yet Final Circle and Glenravel2 are certain they have never been on the same computer.

CONFUSING

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/irish_goat/Evidence.jpg

This is from our off-site forums.Also note the times.Both identical.They couldn't be the same person or on the same pc.

That issue is almost irrelevent however. Glenravel and Final Circle would be allowed to set up again, just as long as they didnt do it from the same computer. The best you could do with this evidence is just to get their nations re instated and act as if nothing has happened.

Except, Glenravel and/or final circle were deleted for being reincarnations of Eire Shamrock. Unless the mods have made a mistake, you must find some evidence showing they are not linked. You might be a fine diplomat but i doubt you are a miracle worker ;) i cant see any evidence at all being possible, except the mods do have the IP address of Eire_Shamrock and Glenravel2.

I've come here directly to state my case.

My first nation was Glenravel, and I've been in NI forever it seems. I've no connection with "erie shamrock" and nor does Final circle. If I were erie shamrock then I would have been deleted when the moderators swept northern ireland when they deleted a few nations there. Mine was not one of them, and can remember discussing this issue with mods then.

Aside from this I've never been in trouble with mods, and was shocked to see my nations deleted. If there are some nations from our region like donthoran and wulfrune complaining about me and trying to get us deleted that is just their underhanded way of dealing with things.

I've been recieving telegrams from a nation named mick collins 3 that keeps saying I am pf and this nation may have alerted you. There was a pf imposter the other day and this would admittedly come from ip address but I'm clearly not erie shamrock or PF or I would have been scrapped a long time ago when all of Northern Ireland was checked out.

Anyhow, hope this helps. Those are the facts.

I can simulataniously post as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/irish_goat/Evidence.jpg

This is from our off-site forums.Also note the times.Both identical.They couldn't be the same person or on the same pc.

Irrelevant.

Aside from this I've never been in trouble with mods, and was shocked to see my nations deleted. If there are some nations from our region like donthoran and wulfrune complaining about me and trying to get us deleted that is just their underhanded way of dealing with things.


Typical, I have no further comment on that matter.

"The Free Land of Mick Collins 3
Received: 6 hours ago Morning PF "

This nation is constantly sending me these notes, which I take to mean PF is saying hello to me as a joke. This nation has PF's flag and motto, and is apparently upset about his name being used as a prank.

I was recently named ambassador to Ireland by the government of NI, so thought it would be funny to send pf imposter there, the real pf mick collins 3 is mad at me now. As I've stated before, I'm not erie/pf, have always been glenravel and when pf was deleted in NI I was not deleted because I am not pf, nor is final circle. The real pf has been sending me these telegrams the last few weeks, please check that out on my former nations. I was wondering if final circle and glenravel 2 could be restored?

Thank you in advance and sorry for the mix up.

Typical, I have no further comment on that matter.

If anyone is wondering about Glenravels comment, he believes that me and my allies colluded with the mods to get Glenravel deleted.

Are we to believe that 'The Republic of Glenravel the just' is also therefore to be banned since he is reincarnation of Glenravel 2 and 3.

thank you for bumping this topic Celtayoshi.

Northern Ireland as a region needs some information about the two nations. Its pivotal. I dont care what information it is, i just want to know what you are thinking. Whether its, dont care, we are investigating it, glenravel 2 is innocent, glenravel 2 is a subsequent nation of Eire_Shamrock, he has the same IP address he is to be continually banned on sight.

Other question, slightly related. Why do you do "ban on sight" why not an IP Ban, isnt this possible??

Why do you do "ban on sight" why not an IP Ban, isnt this possible??
Dial-up users and users with access to multiple IP addresses (schools, computer labs, Internet cafes, etc) can't be IP blocked without blocking other, possibly legitimate users.

ok understood.

Again tho. Whats the situation with Eire_Shamrock/Final Circle/PF/Glenravel

I did a bit of digging and a bit of chatting with an Irishman about this PF person you keep talking about. ES was PF. If he has a new nation, I'd bet it's in Ireland.

Final Circle and GR2 are not each other, and are not this PF guy. I've had at least one conversation with the both of them at the same time, and they are definitely not the same person. And I know GR2 well enough to know he isn't this PF character.

but this is some irish guys opinion. That does not make it fact or does not discredit the moderators.

Only the moderators can discredit their own decision as they are the ones with the IP addresses. Who have left us in the dark over what is happening.

Leaving our region in chaos

Only the moderators can discredit their own decision as they are the ones with the IP addresses. Who have left us in the dark over what is happening.

The Moderators will only be able to tell you enough information so as not to compromise the identitity of a poster (in conjunction with their IP address) and to not compromise the security of NationStates.

ok, i would just of preferred it is a moderator could of told me that. And told me whats happened with GR and Final Circle. Whether they are now ban on sight nations?