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Yes, though I have been involved in this, I have decided to do this. I do this a lot lately.

It is a combination of flamebait and personal attacks disguised as psychological advice. Despite repeated attempts to point out that is what he is doing, he has continued to do it. Be warned there are a lot of posts.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7634424&postcount=141
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7634505&postcount=142
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7640318&postcount=159
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7642639&postcount=166
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7643178&postcount=169
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7643219&postcount=173
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7643273&postcount=175
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7643313&postcount=178
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7645127&postcount=185
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7645482&postcount=193
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7645589&postcount=196
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7649342&postcount=210
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7649362&postcount=212
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7650089&postcount=220
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7650236&postcount=221
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7651329&postcount=228
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7651550&postcount=230

Whether his claims of being a professional psychoanalyst or not are true (considering the above, if he is I worry about his patients), he is still posting personal attacks and flamebait against people and disguising it in his posts.

I had hoped we could point it out to him by now and have him change before it got to this point. I see I am mistaken. I came to the conclusion to do this after I posted my last post and then saw exactly what he had done while I was typing.

I've advised him to knock it off, post here if he keeps on with the personal attacks.


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Myrth
Ruler of the Cosmos
Forum Moderator

This reminds me of the "Bio-Ethical Organization" we have at my school, York University. In their arguments against abortion, they explicitly said that anyone who is a pro-abortionist is "wrong" and is not allowed to hold that opinion, a statement I am vehemently against (I respect the pro-lifers' opinions, so I'd expect the same from them). This person's posts remind me of such a sentiment.

It would seem you beat me to the punch, DLE.

Hey, Myrth, you know how you told a certain someone to stop trying to practice psychology over the internet?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7659546&postcount=63

Personal attack towards the end, though this one is directed against everyone opposing him at once.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7654654&postcount=33
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7654696&postcount=35
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7654849&postcount=38

Not sure about those.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7659800&postcount=66

those who can't manage their own anger that may be triggered by reading the truth need to take their problem to a competent mental health practitioner as opposed to advocating censorship of the neuropsychologically healthy who can sit with their feelings when they acknowlege the truth.

Man, this situation is getting terribly disrespectful...I've never met anyone like True Heart in my life. The bounds they cross...

I've seen worse. No curse words or deraggatory words in the last one, he's just being snooty. Shit, I've had that same type of attitude and snootiness cast at me; all the time in fact.

Generally, we don't try to discredit you as being insane and a danger to society. At least, no one had better.

Telling you you don't see reality or have not bothered to read or address a post... fair tactics, feel free to use them against me sometime.

I've seen worse. No curse words or deraggatory words in the last one, he's just being snooty.
I don't think a flamer should be give a 'bye' because he's erudite. Passive-aggressive slamming of an opponent's mental state is every bit as much a flame as calling him an asshole or douchebag.

I've got a good vocabulary too, and sometimes I use it for snide slams. Doesn't make it right, and I've been called on it. Got a couple of warnings to show for it, in fact. If I do it again, I expect to be deleted for it. Makes me a bit more careful.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7661479&postcount=285

But keep in mind, that hypocrisy in a moderator is not an admirable trait.

That was said to Myrth. Now he's attacking a mod.

Yeah, that was pretty dumb, I'll agree with you there. Passionate, but ignorant, and definitely angry.

I more or less called him on the mod attack.... but since he was being so snooty, I called him on it in Creole..... Hey, it's not my problem if he can't read [Creole] ;)

I more or less called him on the mod attack.... but since he was being so snooty, I called him on it in Creole..... Hey, it's not my problem if he can't read [Creole] ;)

Verdad, pero penso que...uno momento...yo no hablo espanol. Estoy confundido! :confused:

Guys, can one of you get a mod or admin in here to read this? This needs to be dealt with.

I've seen worse. No curse words or deraggatory words in the last one, he's just being snooty. Shit, I've had that same type of attitude and snootiness cast at me; all the time in fact.

I actually think what True Heart is doing is worse than someone who swears like a sailor...in the latter case, it's easy to simply dismiss the poster as merely childish and thus not worth listening to in the first place. However, when someone who appears to have a grasp of the English language and has quite a mastery of it, it almost demands respect. Thus, when they use the language to create snide comments the insults sting harder as the poster at least appears to be at your level of the intelligence scale and proceeds to blast you down from it, something I cannot tolerate.

Besides, anyone who tells me that my morals are *wrong* is not someone that I believe is worth respecting. Period.

Verdad, pero penso que...uno momento...yo no hablo espanol. Estoy confundido! :confused:

(laughing) Byen, si kapab pa ou lang panyel. Kite mwen devine, preten a "Bedazzled"?... Osinon, mele mwen tou.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7663218&postcount=80

He's not stopping. At all.

I will deal with it now. It will take a little while, as I intend to be quite thorough.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

I more or less called him on the mod attack.... but since he was being so snooty, I called him on it in Creole..... Hey, it's not my problem if he can't read [Creole] ;)

Next time, use russian... I spent ten minutes trying to figure out what that stuff was.... rrr

True Heart has been forum-banned for a month. This also applies to any puppets. Should any nations appear, and proceed to exhibit a pattern of abusive psychoanalysis, please report them in this forum, with links to posts.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator

Next time, use russian... I spent ten minutes trying to figure out what that stuff was.... rrr

Exactly, he could babblefish Russian.... He can't babble Creole ;)

Thanks Tactical Grace. True Heart wore out his welcome long ago.

I dont see why people feel the need to take well written flamebait more seriously. Its like trying to get people to eat candy coated excrement. Probably another one of these two bit Freud wannabes who think they're the first person to think of doing experiments on internet message boards. Like they're performing some grand sociological experiment for the good of mankind.

I dont see why people feel the need to take well written flamebait more seriously. Its like trying to get people to eat candy coated excrement. Probably another one of these two bit Freud wannabes who think they're the first person to think of doing experiments on internet message boards. Like they're performing some grand sociological experiment for the good of mankind.

My point was more that I think people will take well-written flamebait more seriously as they typically take anything well-written more seriously than a post that is simply <insert as many swear words as you can>. To take the time to write something out in an intelligent manner usually calls for respect, as that is huge skill to have and shows a willingness of the author to communicate on a level playing field with their audience, instead of playing the role of "foul-mouthed youngster whom no one will listen to anyway". Thus, when an intelligent insult is levied it stings more, as the author elevates to the level of the audience and then proceeds to slam the audience down, almost in a condescending manner. I can easily ignore childish banter as it is just that, but what True Heart did is not something I can ignore that easily.

Well, I can try to help you out here then.

True Heart's flowery language belies a complete lack of substance, intelligent discussion, or respect. If you read through he just repeated the same things about point of conception creation and heart centered truth. He never actually defended them either. If people tried to call his bluff he just wrote them off as dysfunctional under his shadowy nueroscience (which he also neglected to explain to us plebs).

There is absolutely no reason to let this person get under your skin. They may have a valid argument that they haven't shown us yet, but thus far they deserve neither your respect or concern.

Well, I can try to help you out here then.

True Heart's flowery language belies a complete lack of substance, intelligent discussion, or respect. If you read through he just repeated the same things about point of conception creation and heart centered truth. He never actually defended them either. If people tried to call his bluff he just wrote them off as dysfunctional under his shadowy nueroscience (which he also neglected to explain to us plebs).

There is absolutely no reason to let this person get under your skin. They may have a valid argument that they haven't shown us yet, but thus far they deserve neither your respect or concern.

I didn't have an ounce of respect for him in the first place- as I've said, anyone who's of the belief that they are "morally superior" than someone else automatically because someone I don't respect. Be pro-life, fine, just don't tell me that it's wrong for me to not be.

(It's also something that angers me to no end- disrespect is the biggest crime in my books...besides murder)

Though I tend to take things a little too personally sometimes...so thanks for your post.

I dont see why people feel the need to take well written flamebait more seriously. Its like trying to get people to eat candy coated excrement. Probably another one of these two bit Freud wannabes who think they're the first person to think of doing experiments on internet message boards. Like they're performing some grand sociological experiment for the good of mankind.

Actually, it wasn't because he was doing it. If he had stopped early on, I wouldn't have reported him. The fact he kept continuing and kept continuing and kept continuing finally annoyed me slightly. It's better to let the mods handle it then than me or simply ignore them (when not breaking the rules), as I don't respond well to annoyances.

My take on it is, if someone flames in all-caps AOLese with a string of exclamation marks, they are a prat, and I'll gladly slap them down.

If someone effectively does the same, with added delusions of grandeur, they aren't fooling anyone.

Tactical Grace
Game Moderator