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Moderators,

I would like to make an appeal to the moderators whom have made in my opinion, a great misstake, or an unfair decision, but this remains to be seen.

My main DEN nation, "Grippsholm" was deleted along with my UN puppet "Sforey City" when it held more than 40 (!) Endorsements in the USA mission. Before that, my puppet nation "Oppressed America" was deleted as well, for no reason when it was delegate in USA. I did NOT break any rules. I only ejected entering defenders and even removed most of them from the banlist. No natives were banned. I am certain I did not break any rules. The only accusation I've heard are that I am a reincarnation of General Powell, something that is wholly false and I know other innocent nations have been accused of the same but have seen their nations restored. Any DEN trooper would confirm I am not General Powell and so would General Powell himself.

I would first of all, like to hear why Grippsholm, a nation I've had for months and that has only very seldomly been in the United Nations was deleted, why Oppressed America and Sforey City were deleted as well when I did nothing wrong. The only thing I did "wrong" was to hold 40 endorsements, but that is not a rule breach in the NationStates world. I would also like to add : I am NOT General Powell but I used to be under his command before. An IP adress would reveal that we live worlds apart! I am NOT General Powell!

Just as Biotherm, I would like to see my nation ressurected and my puppets along with it! I did nothing wrong. Nothing wrong, at all, and the latest deletion was the one that did me most wrong, especially when I had managed to muster so many endorsements through much hard work and co-operation with my allies.

Please give me Grippsholm back, I did nothing wrong and I see you have ressurected other nations, something I thought would NEVER happen but now, there is hope for me.

Also, could a moderator please answer to the thread in the Atlantic as Defenders and Invaders alike have appealed your decision to delete our invader delegate but he did not break any rules. The thread has convienently been forgotten so I think a small moderator explanation ( at least ) is needed.

Thank you

I am confirming Grippsholm's appeal/story, everything he has said is true. He did NOT break any rules and he is NOT related to General Powell (expect for the fact that they both are Raiders).

I would also like to make the point that although Grippsholm and General Powell were both DEN members, Grippsholm joined TGAO The DEN about 2 months after General Powell left, when Der Kommiser, another nation, was in control; to the best of my knowledge, General Powell and Grippsholm never met in any official capacity.



And as an aside, the reason for General Powell's deletion would be nice as well; this innocent raider nation did no crime, and was not even in the UN at the time of the deletion (and has not been for near seven months).

I would also like to know why the moderators suddenly decided to declare General Powell on DOS.

I have also been wanting to know this.

Nobody can verify who is behind the computer screen unless they physically meet the person face-to-face.

With that logic, I accuse you of being me, since we've never met face to face ;)

With that logic, I accuse you of being me, since we've never met face to face ;)

I was referring to IP addresses, which the moderators can check to verify I am not you. :p

I knew you were. My IP adress does not match the one of General Powell. They should check again.

Nobody can verify who is behind the computer screen unless they physically meet the person face-to-face.

I was referring to IP addresses, which the moderators can check to verify I am not you. :p

I think I see a contradiction here....

Good question Grippsholm, any responce (possibly through TG) on why your main nation was deleted?

I think I see a contradiction here....

It's simple, since IP addresses are one of the only ways to see who is behind a nation, moderator's have certain checks they do to see if people are UN multis or indeed the same nation. Since Grippsholm was deleted for UN multiing, and both Tuesday Heights and my current UN puppet allegedly would be on the same IP if we were the same person, I'd suspect my UN puppet and quite possibly TH would've been deleted along with him if it were true. I know it was in jest, but I'm just proving my point.

The only way to prove in this game that you are not a UN multi is to have two of the moderation staff fly out, meet you in person. That's the only way they can verify it.

Sorry, I was not deleted for UN multiing.

Sorry, I was not deleted for UN multiing.

You were deleted, regardless, and it looks as if you're wrong. We'll see what the moderators have to say, because you cannot categorically say why you were deleted... that's why you created this thread.

It's simple, since IP addresses are one of the only ways to see who is behind a nation, moderator's have certain checks they do to see if people are UN multis or indeed the same nation. Since Grippsholm was deleted for UN multiing, and both Tuesday Heights and my current UN puppet allegedly would be on the same IP if we were the same person, I'd suspect my UN puppet and quite possibly TH would've been deleted along with him if it were true. I know it was in jest, but I'm just proving my point.

The only way to prove in this game that you are not a UN multi is to have two of the moderation staff fly out, meet you in person. That's the only way they can verify it.
Yes I am aware of that. The contradiction lies in the way you said that you cannot verify who is behind a nation unless you actually see them behind the computer screen, and then you went on to say that you could verify it using an IP check. It's either one or the other.

The contradiction lies in the way you said that you cannot verify who is behind a nation unless you actually see them behind the computer screen, and then you went on to say that you could verify it using an IP check. It's either one or the other.

I was referring to verifying whether or not UN multis were actually separate people, besides, there's more than just IP addresses that can be checked to verify a person's identity - for the most part - on the internet. The only way to verify if two or more people on the same IP are not physically UN multis is to meet them in person, search the forums, what I'm saying is not contradictory at all, it's how it's done around here.

Much thanks. Could a moderator express himself on the subject? I've contacted on through the mod cave on mIRC but I still have not gotten any reply.

Bumpity Bump.

Another day, I re-contacted the mod cave again but still no answer.

Bumpity Bump.

Another day, I re-contacted the mod cave again but still no answer.

Bumpity Bump.
Are you sure you're on esper.net at #themodcave? With a single exception, I've always gotten a direct response within seconds. I was on earlier tonight and chatted with Sirocco. Myrth and Melkor were there as well, but silent.

This seems to be going on rather a long time. T'would be nice if he got some sort of closure here.

There's always the possiblility that there was no reason. It could have been an accident, or they could have gotten cranky and just gone on a deleting binge.
Hey, anything's possible. :D

There's always the possiblility that there was no reason. It could have been an accident, or they could have gotten cranky and just gone on a deleting binge.
Hey, anything's possible. :DSome-how ... I don't ... quite think so ...

Each time I went to the mod cave, they told me they would go to the moderator in question and ask him what has been going on.

They have raised my hopes quite much actually because they un-DOS : ed and ressurected other nations being accused of being General Powell.

Bu´mpy bumpo bimp.

Each time I went to the mod cave, they told me they would go to the moderator in question and ask him what has been going on.

Maybe that moderator is on vacation or real life issues have become a problem... You can't expect the moderator's to bend of backwards at your whim for an answer.

They restored one of my puppets, the invader lead in USA. Well, we would still be holding it would they not have made that misstake.

Any bump and Tuesday Heights, what are you trying to say? That I'm not allowed to get a response?

...Tuesday Heights, what are you trying to say? That I'm not allowed to get a response?

No, Tuesday Heights is saying that getting a response may take time, as the Mod's may have something in Real Life to attend to, or something else that draws attention from NS.

I will say this once. MODS have lives too. They can't be on the computer 24/7. They have JOB's, Families, and a ton of other shit that goes on in their lives. It might take them a few days, to a week to respond to you. Give them time.


Nuff said

Nuff said
The only person who can use this phrase with a straight face and have it mean anything is Stan Lee, when he's talking about Marvel Comics. Pretty much any other time I've seen it used, its intended meaning is "STFU".

Lost Grippsholm has a reasonable request, he's using the rules of the Moderation forum correctly, he's only bumping it once per day or less, and is generally being polite about it. I think we owe him an equal level of civility.

It is funny that two nations have been confused with General Powell recently.

BTW: How would a mod do an IP check if you have a dynamic IP adress?

I will say this once. MODS have lives too. They can't be on the computer 24/7. They have JOB's, Families, and a ton of other shit that goes on in their lives. It might take them a few days, to a week to respond to you. Give them time.


Nuff said

If a Moderator don't have the time to properly deal with things such as these, then he should not be one.

Also, I think giving them more than 2 weeks ( almost 3 ) and receiving no reply is a bit exaggerated. Look at the thread concerning the Atlantic.

Bumpity Bump. ( In order to not be ignored by the moderators )

If a Moderator don't have the time to properly deal with things such as these, then he should not be one.

Justifying a moderator response with his/her ability to act as a moderator is a bit far-fetched; moderators do have real lives outside this game as well as things that might occur that would take them away from the game for extended periods of time. Best to just sit back, bump daily, and wait.

It is funny that two nations have been confused with General Powell recently.

BTW: How would a mod do an IP check if you have a dynamic IP adress?


They have other ways, login times/ computer ID's (something like a HASH number) and other stuff.

Bumpity bump. Nice fast responses. Very efficient. :headbang:

For the record, I am not the Moderator who handled these cases, but the official notations say:

"Grippsholm" was deleted for spamming region 'alberta' and UN multying.

"Sforey City" was originally deleted for being a reincarnation of 'general_powell', who is DOS for multiple counts of griefing and UN multying. However, the Moderator who handled that case reviewed the case, discovered that an error has been made, and resurrected the nation. However, the UN ban still stands; I'm not sure why.

"Oppressed America" was deleted for being a reincarnation of "General Powell".

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

For the record, I am not the Moderator who handled these cases, but the official notations say:

"Grippsholm" was deleted for spamming region 'alberta' and UN multying.

"Sforey City" was originally deleted for being a reincarnation of 'general_powell', who is DOS for multiple counts of griefing and UN multying. However, the Moderator who handled that case reviewed the case, discovered that an error has been made, and resurrected the nation. However, the UN ban still stands; I'm not sure why.

"Oppressed America" was deleted for being a reincarnation of "General Powell".

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Ok, I think I'll have to make a small statement here. Alberate occured more than a month ago and Grippsholm has not been in the UN for more than several months. My last mission with Grippsholm in the UN was when I did a raid for The DEN in SPACE and that was back during the old DEN II days, when we still had Der Kommisser and Martian-City-States as Commander. Yet, I was deleted for spamming a CV HQ more than a month ago, but only a few days ago and I was deleted for UN multying when this nation had not been in the UN for months? Could I know the name of my UN multies?!! You did make a misstake and you should correct that, just as you did with Sforey City, which has given me hope.

The Moderator I contacted told me I was picked up as General Powell. Nothing about UN multying nor spamming a board.... :mad:

You can file an appeal at admin@nationstates.net or salusa@nationstates.net.

Well, could we get to know the moderator in question who handled this case ?!

Bumpity Bump

Also, I would like to note the following.

For weeks, we have received no answer concerning The Atlantic nor my deletion.

First, the moderators told me I had been deleted for being General Powell. Then, you told me I had UN Multied, then you told me I had spammed the Alberta boards 1 month ago.

What is this? :headbang:

What is this?

It's an answer and a response. What more do you expect the moderators to do?

Ok, I think I'll have to make a small statement here. Alberta occured more than a month ago and Grippsholm has not been in the UN for more than several months.

The time doesnt matter. The fact that it happened, in general, counts as a strike against you.


My last mission with Grippsholm in the UN was when I did a raid for The DEN in SPACE and that was back during the old DEN II days, when we still had Der Kommisser and Martian-City-States as Commander. Yet, I was deleted for spamming a CV HQ more than a month ago, but only a few days ago and I was deleted for UN multying when this nation had not been in the UN for months? Could I know the name of my UN multies?!! You did make a mistake and you should correct that, just as you did with Sforey City, which has given me hope.

I'd have to say that the IP scan that the moderators do, generally aren't wrong. It is a rarity in which the IP scan determines something incorrectly. It's possible, but still...

If you're telling the truth, then I wish you luck with that, and hopefully a mod will pick that up and fix it.

The bottom line is :

Each Time I've addressed a moderator, wether it be in public of in the mod cave, I'm always given a different answer, which is quite annoying.

Also, the IP scan obviously failed for "Biotherm" so it should have failed for me as well, since we were accused of the same things!

The bottom line is :

Each Time I've addressed a moderator, wether it be in public of in the mod cave, I'm always given a different answer, which is quite annoying.From what I remember if they think the case warrants it, they get together and discuss it ... then you'll get a unified answer, until then, the word of who ever did the deed is probably the most correct one.Also, the IP scan obviously failed for "Biotherm" so it should have failed for me as well, since we were accused of the same things!Unless there was other data as well, apart from the IP scan itself ...

Also, the IP scan obviously failed for "Biotherm" so it should have failed for me as well, since we were accused of the same things!

Not necessarily.

You could be the true guilty party or Biotherm could've been; either way, you have received an answer to your inquiry.

If you have further concerns, etc., file an appeal at admin@nationstates.net or salusa@nationstates.net.

The UN cheatscan is a bit more sophisticated than just an IP scan.

[T]he game uses four different methods to detect cheaters.

The FAQ is out-of-date here; the moderators have since stated that they use many more than four methods to detect cheaters.

It's an answer and a response. What more do you expect the moderators to do?

I've gotten 3 different answers. Which one is the correct one?

Also, I am asking a moderator to post his opinion, not you, ADN member ;)

Some people are never satisfied :p

I've gotten 3 different answers. Which one is the correct one?

Also, I am asking a moderator to post his opinion, not you, ADN member ;)

For the record, I am not the Moderator who handled these cases, but the official notations say:

"Grippsholm" was deleted for spamming region 'alberta' and UN multying.

"Sforey City" was originally deleted for being a reincarnation of 'general_powell', who is DOS for multiple counts of griefing and UN multying. However, the Moderator who handled that case reviewed the case, discovered that an error has been made, and resurrected the nation. However, the UN ban still stands; I'm not sure why.

"Oppressed America" was deleted for being a reincarnation of "General Powell".

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

I've gotten 3 different answers. Which one is the correct one?

As GK posted, you already have your answer.

No, I got different ones on the modcave and always different moderators asking me. I've gotten no answer. I've had 3 different ones. I'll bump until I'm told which one is the correct one.

No, I got different ones on the modcave and always different moderators asking me. I've gotten no answer. I've had 3 different ones. I'll bump until I'm told which one is the correct one.

You did get your final answer from Cogitation. If you want to appeal, you've been given the means.

I request a lock to this thread, as LG has gotten his answer, has refused to accept it, and is otherwise dragging this out longer than needed.

Lost Grippsholm, I'd just point out that Cog was reading from the official notations for the case ... so that should be the most correct answer, if not the correct answer.