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Howdy! :) A few hours ago someone I know called 'Biotherm' was deleted. Since no one, including Biotherm himself, seems to have any idea as to why this was could a Mod just explain why this deletion occured? Many thanks...

EDIT* I'd be rather interested in knowing why since acording to Biotherm, they are certain that they were breaking no rules at the time. (Not in UN, not posting abusive messages, etc)

... And now his puppet nation has been deleted...

It could be inactivity. Has he been logging in to his nation, or just the Forums? You have to log in to the nation every 28 / 60 days or it expires.

Biotherm was active one day ago, his puppets about half an hour ago.

For the record, I am not the Moderator who handled this case.

However, according to the offiical notation left by the Mod who deleted him: 'biotherm' was a reincarnation of 'general_powell'; this individual has been permanently banned from NationStates and is not welcome to return. There is a standing Delete-On-Sight order against all reincarnations.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

I'm sorry, but I would stake anything on that being incorrect. I do know Biotherm very well, he is not a reincarnation of 'general_powell'.

What evidence is there of Biotherm being a reincarnation of 'general_powell'?

I'm sorry, but I would stake anything on that being incorrect. I do know Biotherm very well, he is not a reincarnation of 'general_powell'.

What evidence is there of Biotherm being a reincarnation of 'general_powell'?
I'll have to refer that question to the Mod who deleted him.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Thank you very much. Biotherm is very close to being driven from NS because of this incident, I'll ask him to hold on for a while.

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=General_Powell

This nation was my former Commander. He is still alive and does not seem to be Delete-On-Sight. He participated with me in a mission recently and aided me. I am verry sorry but I did not know it was illegal for me to talk to him or receive his aid in ejecting nations. We even shared nations at one point, with him having resigned from his UN nation, of course so that we would not be breaking any rules. I am verry verry sorry for any inconvenience caused.

I swear that the nation Biotherm is completely innocent and ask the moderators to look at this. He is innocent, he is even more likely to be classified as a "defender" more than anything else and I would not be liable to protect a defender in usual cases. Please, reconsider this case and take a look again. Biotherm is not General Powell, it's completely impossible. Completely.

greetings :)

I am biotherm, and created this puppet named "deleted biotherm" for the time being.


I'm afraid I have no idea who "general_powell" is, and he if for certain not me! I had never heard of him before.

I confirm that I'm quite certain I have broken no NS rule, I am very careful about that!

Cogitation I would be most grateful if you please could contact the mod who deleted me, I am a very active player of this game and losing by main nation would be a very sad news ...

Thanks a lot

Friendly,
bio

PS: here is a link to the nation "general Powell" that I found in the world. I really don't think his IP is the same as mine:

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=General_Powell

Notice please: the nation Cogitation was talking about was "general_powell". The nation you have found is "General Powell" with no underscore (_). It seems like you are talking about two different nations here.

In that case, I think the moderators have made a misstake, perhaps with jumbling up the name's nations and misstaking both of them.

Please, I beg you, give Biotherm back his nation(s) and lift this DOS!

Notice please: the nation Cogitation was talking about was "general_powell". The nation you have found is "General Powell" with no underscore (_). It seems like you are talking about two different nations here.

Incorrect.

When a nation or even a region dies and ceases to exist, any remaining reference or ex-links to them is shown with underscores and lower case letters.

As far as coding goes, the technical name is 'general_powell', but it's displayed as 'General Powell'. They ARE the same nation, merely displayed in two different ways.

On a side note, I believe when registering a new nation, you can put an underscore in there, and it WILL show, If you don't put the underscore in, then it'll show a standard space.

Edit - I would also imagine that it's displayed like that (with underscores etc) in the Mod Center, which is what Cogitation would have been working from.

Well, J, I've searched General_Powell (note: underscore) and found the same nation as General Powell (without underscore) in "the world" ...

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=General_Powell

This nation was my former Commander. He is still alive and does not seem to be Delete-On-Sight.
Apparently, the Moderator responsible added an official notation saying that this nation was deleted, but forgot to actually delete it. I have notified that Mod of the oversight; expect this nation to be deleted, soon.

Incorrect.

When a nation or even a region dies and ceases to exist, any remaining reference or ex-links to them is shown with underscores and lower case letters.

Edit - I would also imagine that it's displayed like that (with underscores etc) in the Mod Center, which is what Cogitation would have been working from.
Correct. Furthermore....

National names, as stored internally, are case insensitive. Additionally, underscores and spaces are treated identically. Thus,
"The Most Glorious Hack"
"the_most_glorious_hack"
"THE_MoST gloRIouS_HacK"
"thE mOsT_GloRIous_haCk"
...all refer to the same nation.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

How could we have any idea he was on DOS and thus, not to be associated with if his nation was still alive? He shared a few puppets with me but I assure you, I did not know he was on DOS and nobody did since nobody deleted him!

Please, show lenience on Biotherm and lift his DOS! He is not General Powell!

About sharing puppets, it's not illegal is it?

About sharing puppets, it's not illegal is it?

No it's not, but it's advised you don't share your passwords with anyone just in case something like this case crops up.

If you account share, then it's 100% at your own risk.

Leniency will not be taken if two users share a nation(s).

Well...

Biotherm is not General Powell. If you want I can probably round up at least a dozen people who would swear this on their NS account. I would be very interested in seeing evidence that contradicts this.

Biotherm did not share nations with General Powell.

Thank you Cogitation for your swift replies and I hope that this matter can be sorted out in a fair manner soon.

Biotherm is not General Powell. If you want I can probably round up at least a dozen people who would swear this on their NS account. I would be very interested in seeing evidence that contradicts this.

And I am one of them. Biotherm is not "General_Powell". I would swear all of my nations on it. I don't know why he's been deleted, but I have known him since the day this nation (Defectivity) was born.

First of all, Biotherm and I are NOT the same nation. My NS nation is alive and well, and shall remain so, as no NS rules have been violated.

Secondly, what EXACTLY is it that I have been accused of? I have done this dance with moderators before, and it is CLEARLY improper to enter a lifetime ban and delete on sight order when I don't even know what it is I am supposed to have done.

Who is the moderator responsible for this?

Mod Center
What is that?

What is that?

That is where actions done by mods are recorded and other mods can see it, AFAIK.

What is that?

A realm of happiness and rainbows on the outside, but moddy wrath and evil things on the inside...

Okay, nah, LE got it in one.

Ahem... I do not wish to sound rude, or like a kill-joy, but this is a thread centered around the deletion of a dear friend of mine, and isn't really the place for jokes... unless it's after we discover it was all a misunderstanding, Biotherm and Biotherm II get returned, and we're all partying.

Ahem... I do not wish to sound rude, or like a kill-joy, but this is a thread centered around the deletion of a dear friend of mine, and isn't really the place for jokes... unless it's after we discover it was all a misunderstanding, Biotherm and Biotherm II get returned, and we're all partying.

Biotherm and his/her nations have been given a DoS stamp, which means the mods would have been 100% sure that Biotherm had been breaking several rules.

This also means Biotherms nations will not be revived.

Well I have absolutely no bloody idea what he may have done wrong, then.

*goes off to swear loudly*

Biotherm and his/her nations have been given a DoS stamp, which means the mods would have been 100% sure that Biotherm had been breaking several rules.

This also means Biotherms nations will not be revived.


Several rules?? That can't be... I'd appreciate talking with the mod having deleted the nations.

My nations (his) have not broken any rules, especially not BOTH of them! There aren't many rules to follow, respecting them is simple and I have done it since the creation of Biotherm/Biotherm II. And still confusing me for Powell is strange, since he has posted her himself! (that is to say, if I'm still said to be him!).

I really enjoy playing NationStates ... I really do and I play very often. Losing Biotherm is, I guess, what it takes to make me quit the game, while NS is a way for me to "escape" regular life and enter the one of a minister, a head of council ...

Could I please at least know why the nations were deleted? ... :(

As I see it, there are a few unresolved questions.

Why is "General Powell" DEAT-on-Sight?
What (declassified) evidence is there to suggest that "Biotherm" and "General Powell" are controlled by the same player?
If they are not controlled by the same player, why is "Biotherm" DEAT-on-Sight"?

*sits back and waits for a Game Moderator response*

7 hours ago: The Jingoistic States of Biotherm II departed this region for Lazarus
7 hours ago: The Scandinavian Empire of Biotherm departed this region for Lazarus

It appears that a response has already been given. My thanks go to the mods for correcting this oversight, and I'm sure that Bio will be rather thankful as well... :D

Well done mods for correcting this oversight. This just goes to show that mods, unlike what many may think, DO take time to look through each case.

I would wait for a Mod statement before assuming the nations are back for good. Sometimes they are resurrected so the game staff can investigate further.

I would wait for a Mod statement before assuming the nations are back for good. Sometimes they are resurrected so the game staff can investigate further.

Right, there's always that possibility.

Congratulations Biotherm, on your ressurection.

Incidentally, may I ask why General Powell was deleted? I realise that this is a little off-topic, but it didnt seem worth making a new thread for.

Greetings!

For some reason, I can't enter these boards with the nation Biotherm (although I use a different hotmail address with it...) so I'll post with this puppet:

I thank you all mods very much for resurrecting my nations Biotherm and Biotherm II, playing NS via these two mean quite a lot to me, and I don't know what I would have done without them ... Certainly not start all over again with a new nation ... !

I had heard that Mods didn't especially care about coming back to a taken decision, I am very happy to see that the rumour was wrong and will do my best to spread the real word about how well moderators take care of every single case.

In the end of the day, everything is solved thanks to peaceful discussion and I drink to your health, NationStates Moderators! :)

Friendly,
Biotherm

I would still like to know why my old commander, General Powell was delete on site? As I am sure many others here would like to know.

Ahem... I do not wish to sound rude, or like a kill-joy, but this is a thread centered around the deletion of a dear friend of mine, and isn't really the place for jokes... unless it's after we discover it was all a misunderstanding, Biotherm and Biotherm II get returned, and we're all partying. Well, now they were returned, and it's time for jokes:

"So this guy is walking down the streets with a bunch of penguins on leashes. A cop walks up to him.
Cop: Shouldn't you take those penguins to the zoo?
Guy with penguins: OK.
The next day, the same man is walking to the street with the same penguins. The cop sees him.
Cop: I thought I told you to take those penguins to the zoo!
Guy with penguins: I did! And tomorrow I'm taking them to the movies!"

[Rim-shot]

Sorry about that. I really like that joke even though it's kinda lame. But Biotherm and Biotherm II are back, so everyone can be happy!
:p

Well, I can't be happy because I STILL don't know why my nation of General Powell or several of my puppets were deleted?

Lord knows I have no love or respect for the moderators, but I certainly did not commit any violation which would have justified these psycophants DOS'ing my nations? Why don't they have the courage----or at least the simple integrity---to state publically why my nations are DOS?

Can we stop hijacking everyone's threads? :rolleyes:

Fair enough. Now that Biotherm is back, this thread should be closed. I will use one of the others.

For the record, though, I did not raise the issue here. I was responding to what others have asked, TH. Stop trolling the threads looking for things to complain about.

Particularly when they don't concern you. :mad: