NationStates Jolt Archive

For whatever reason, a number of nations were recenlty obliterated from existence. I believe that many were wrongfully obliterated. The following were deleted:

The original clone
John howards aust
Culture jammin
Australian jesus
Badloginattemptchecnya
Mynomia
The Soon-to-be-Free Territory of The Gaza Strip

My nation, The Gaza Strip, did nothing wrong, as far as I know. The only questionable thing would be it's motto, "Death to Sharon!!". It was not talking about a girl names Sharon, but of Israeli Prime Mister Ariel Sharon. If it's a problem, I could change it if my nation were returned to me.

I ask for two things:
1) My nation to be returned to me.
2) An explanation.
Bonus: Return the others, EXCEPT Badloginattemptchecnya.

No.

Can I at least have an explanation? I seriously have no idea why my nation was deleted.

Can I at least have an explanation? I seriously have no idea why my nation was deleted.

1 day ago Gaza strip club just passing through with a message to you all, spread the word ye good people and true

well the point of nationstates is to annoy the nation "Checnya" by making him have bad login attempts, once you're done with your own nation, you log in as "Checnya" and do a random password, you can do this 6 times before it stops you and then you have to wait 45 minutes, at which point you do it again. Send this spam to everyone so that Checnya may wallow in his own arabian
1 day ago The Haiku warriors of Machiavellian society Tell us a story mother Asp

Of the long ago when the morning star shone in hell
1 day ago The Republic of Machusian War Veterans Broodworld was deleted for harassing and making threats of violence on other people. He has been deleted before for threatening people including the owner of this website.
20 hours ago The gaza strip returns so why did that stooge formerly delegate allow the new stooge delegate to stooge him? how did that happen?

just passing through with a message to you all, spread the word ye good people and true

well the point of nationstates is to annoy the nation "Checnya" by making him have bad login attempts, once you're done with your own nation, you log in as "Checnya" and do a random password, you can do this 6 times before it stops you and then you have to wait 45 minutes, at which point you do it again. Send this spam to everyone so that Checnya can have fun that so many people love him so much.

My password is teddybear

This is not very nice behaviour. You should be glad not to be DOSsed or IP banned.

he said his nation is "The Gaza Strip" not "Gaza strip club"

he said his nation is "The Gaza Strip" not "Gaza strip club"

And probably also not The Gaza Strip returns. Oh my. I deserve a forum ban now :eek:

he said his nation is "The Gaza Strip" not "Gaza strip club"
makes you think though all were deated at almost the same time

you know what never mind, they probably were all the same person
notice one of his nations he says was deleted is "Badloginattemptchecnya"

jebustan who had the gaza strip in the arab league, send me an email at
bspearritt@hotmail.com i can talk to you about your problems.

what is so malicious about telling people to "bad login attemp" someone?
why has checnya who appears to be a victim of all of this been ejected from the un for rule violations? despite the fact that he hasnt logged in since before this campaign began.

what is so malicious about telling people to "bad login attemp" someone?
You honestly have to have this explained to you?

what is so malicious about telling people to "bad login attemp" someone?
why has checnya who appears to be a victim of all of this been ejected from the un for rule violations? despite the fact that he hasnt logged in since before this campaign began.
what happens if you do this to some ones un nation, the by some merical you get in bamm right there multies, also having had this done to me before its annoying and not very nice

Also prohibited is the practice of "griefing." Griefing is playing with the primary aim of annoying or upsetting other people. If you do this, the game moderators may take action against you.

well the point of nationstates is to annoy the nation "Checnya" by making him have bad login attempts

Do we have to draw you a picture?

Also, Checnya was ejected for rules violations on account of the fact that s/he appeared to have a UN multi account. It doesn't have anything to do with this.

I never griefed anyone. Like I said, I did nothing wrong. I'm not an idiot. I don't spam regions, and if I did, it wouldn't be to grief the UN delegate of my own region.


I think the mods made an honest mistake. They assumed that the Gaza Strip, Gaza Strip Club, and the Gaza Strip Returns were all the same person. This is not the case. I owned the Gaza Strip. PLEEEEEEEEASE return it.

This sounds like a legit challenge. Maybe the mods should doublecheck log records and compare the phyisical and logical addresses of each of the nations in question instead of the similarities of the names. But, keep an eye on the guy at the same time.

I never griefed anyone. Like I said, I did nothing wrong. I'm not an idiot. I don't spam regions, and if I did, it wouldn't be to grief the UN delegate of my own region.


I think the mods made an honest mistake. They assumed that the Gaza Strip, Gaza Strip Club, and the Gaza Strip Returns were all the same person. This is not the case. I owned the Gaza Strip. PLEEEEEEEEASE return it.

.... how do explain the ownership of the nation "Badloginattemptchecnya"

:rolleyes:

This sounds like a legit challenge.

Did you read Cassandrah's post? Even if they weren't the same person, they were employing tactics that had the potential to hack into a nation if miraculously guessing a password worked even if that wasn't their intent.

Nice try. No.

Hmmm, just to deposit my own two cents, ( subject to (ego) inflation ... ;) )

You may submit content to NationStates.net so long as it is not obscene, illegal, threatening, malicious, or defamatory, does not invade the privacy or infringe the intellectual property of a third party, and does not constitute "spam." You may not use a false e-mail address, impersonate any person or entity, attempt to "hack" the site or another player's account, nor otherwise mislead as to the origin of information.The entire " Bad login attempt for checnya " business alone falls under this. People seem to forget there is more out there in terms of rules then the F.A.Q though this prolly falls under that set too, of course.

.... how do explain the ownership of the nation "Badloginattemptchecnya"

:rolleyes:


I DON'T own that stupid nation. Checnya was the UN delegate for my region. Why would I want to to grief him? I could have just kicked him out, as it was my region in the first place.
And for the record, if I was gonna grief someone, I'd do it with a better name than "badloginattemptchecnya".


Nice try. No.

Why not? Check the log records. See for yourself. I never griefed ANYONE!! I strongly urge you, or someone else, to check for themselves. The Gaza Stip was wrongly deleted, and you know it.
Are you a friend of 'Gaza Strip'? Not THE Gaza Strip, just 'Gaza Strip'. I recently kicked him out of my region, and the timing of my deletion was, shall we say, a bit suspicious.

Check the log records. See for yourself. I never griefed ANYONE!! I strongly urge you, or someone else, to check for themselves. The Gaza Stip was wrongly deleted, and you know it.

I'm sure Melkor has seen the mod records; if you want to appeal, e-mail the admin@nationstates.net. Can I request a lock before this goes on further?

[Moderator Edit - Cogitation] If an Admin appeal is desired, then salusa@nationstates.net is preferred. [/modedit]

Actually, Jeb, part of the reason is also because just about every nation you cited was a UN multi as well.

And the thread can stay open, I suppose, until Jebustan can get a second opinion.

For whatever reason, a number of nations were recenlty obliterated from existence. I believe that many were wrongfully obliterated. The following were deleted:

The original clone
John howards aust
Culture jammin
Australian jesus
Badloginattemptchecnya
Mynomia
The Soon-to-be-Free Territory of The Gaza Strip

My nation, The Gaza Strip, did nothing wrong, as far as I know. The only questionable thing would be it's motto, "Death to Sharon!!". It was not talking about a girl names Sharon, but of Israeli Prime Mister Ariel Sharon. If it's a problem, I could change it if my nation were returned to me.

I ask for two things:
1) My nation to be returned to me.
2) An explanation.
Bonus: Return the others, EXCEPT Badloginattemptchecnya.

This site is not allowed to promote terrorist murderers.

This site is not allowed to promote terrorist murderers.

A nation is not a terrorist murder.

Actually, Jeb, part of the reason is also because just about every nation you cited was a UN multi as well.

Yeah, I kinda suspected as much. What are the odds of having that many people from Australia in the same region? I don't really care about their nations. They were UN multis, and they were probably warned earlier (I was, at least). However, they were not MY nations, so why should I be punished for their actions?

And I don't support terrorist murderers. My motto was very ANTI-Sharon. And I was no fan of Arafat, either.

The mods cannot see who are behind the computers.

Not to mention that the whole scheme of bad login attempting could be entirely a coverup of one's own attempt to hack the nation.

I recieved this telgram today.

The Principality of Nazipartyatmyhouse
Received: 4 hours ago
well because i am the guy who stooged you with that massacre down in arab league. The mods are stupid and went on a rampage. They deleted my three spamming nations which is fair and as expected. gaza strip club, badloginattempt checnya and gaza strip returns. Then they deleted my four nations joined to the un: australian jesus, john howards aust, the original clone and culture jammin. This i also expected because i moved all four to the region "the gaza strip club" within one minute of each other. I broke the UN rules by having more than one nation a un member, even though these nations werent spamming.

ok so thats me. Then they delete you and that other gaza dude ding dong. which is stupid and incompetent. Then they kick checnya out of the UN for "rule violations" despite the fact that he hadnt logged in since before my campaign to "bad login attempt him". I think mynomia was deleted because of inactivity but i cant be sure.

I have started a region "bad login attempt checnya" and have bothered to look at spamming and advertising rules so i shouldnt be kicked out anymore.

I think it's pretty self-explanatory.

I recieved this telgram today.
(Telegram here)
I think it's pretty self-explanatory.
Are the mods going to check if this telegram is legit?

Jebustan: If you did recieve that telegram, DO NOT DELETE IT! Leave it in your inbox and file a getting help report so the moderators can look into it. Nothing can be done if you delete that telegram.


edit: oh and another thing, technically, there is no exact law that states guessing somebody's password is illgal.. if you use a password cracker or anything like that though, tis illegal.

another edit: of course that is the US laws, not the rules of this site, which I would think state that you cannot do that

Jebustan:another edit: of course that is the US laws, not the rules of this site, which I would think state that you cannot do that
Isn't this site based in Australia where Max Berry lives? So wouldn't Australian laws govern this matter? How would this work since the users of nationstates are from all over the globe?

Isn't this site based in Australia where Max Berry lives? So wouldn't Australian laws govern this matter? How would this work since the users of nationstates are from all over the globe?
based in the uk on jolt, but the site tos does not permit that

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edit: oh and another thing, technically, there is no exact law that states guessing somebody's password is illgal.. if you use a password cracker or anything like that though, tis illegal.

another edit: of course that is the US laws, not the rules of this site, which I would think state that you cannot do that

Incorrect. We have only given you permission to access this site through your own accounts. Thus, you do not have our permissions to access other accounts. Hence, if you access any accounts that do not belong to you (regardless of how you access them), it is illegal.

By analogy it is legal to enter an apartment as long as the door is unlocked, but not if you have to pick the lock. In reality, it's illegal either way.

I recieved this telgram today.



I think it's pretty self-explanatory.

I can verify that i sent that telegram to Jebustan, although i like to think of him as The Gaza Strip, former nation and founder of the region Arab League.

I still havent clearly had it explained to me why a bad login attmept hurts someone. So you login to your region one day and theres a message in red which says "youve had 5 bad login attempts since you last logged in", this represents one person (not neccessarily a person with a nation on nationstates). or perhaps you get "there have been 500 bag login attempts", which represents 100 people.

so what's the problem?

needless to say i have stopped this practice because im sick of having nations deleted, which means remembering new passwords and nation names. although it is quite fun to have the mods delete your nation, i gives you quite a thrill. It is interesting to note that the mods didnt check ip addresses before deleting. The four un member nations came from the same computer as badloginattemptchecnya, the gaza strip club and gaza strip returns. whereas jebustan is a completely different person using a computer in another country.

With everyone here saying that the Mods should check to prove me right or wrong, why hasn't it been done?
I ask a Mod to check the IP addresses of the nations involved. The Gaza Strip's ip address will be different from the spamming and/or griefing nations, thus proving me right and innocent. So......

With everyone here saying that the Mods should check to prove me right or wrong, why hasn't it been done?
I ask a Mod to check the IP addresses of the nations involved. The Gaza Strip's ip address will be different from the spamming and/or griefing nations, thus proving me right and innocent. So......
Whilst I know the mods are even handed, there really should be an investigation here. If for no other reason, then at least to shut this guy up.

Not just because I like the sound of my own voice / post, but because people seemed a little confused over if " hacking " an account is allowed or not,You may submit content to NationStates.net so long as it is not obscene, illegal, threatening, malicious, or defamatory, does not invade the privacy or infringe the intellectual property of a third party, and does not constitute "spam." You may not use a false e-mail address, impersonate any person or entity, attempt to "hack" the site or another player's account, nor otherwise mislead as to the origin of information.Since if you access this site you agree to the Nation States ToS, if you do what is quoted here from the said source, you should not access this site, and can be restricted from doing so by Moderation / Game Staff.

Locked pending Moderator review.