NationStates Jolt Archive

This time its not me, but one of my regional subordinates has had a recent UN ejection. He claims no dealing with multies, or proposing stupid resolutions. Other than the fact i trust him in this, i know it is also impossible for him to have breached rules via proposals, as he has been posted in a region with only 1 other UN member, and hence was unable to.
He claims the UN believes he used multies, and his explaination for this, is that the same computer was used, for him and his brothers nation. I am speaking on his behalf and will relay any advice to him.
Is there a chance that he can be re instated, seeing as it was a simple mistake on the part of the Moderation team?

ps, nation name is Bloodlust213 so you can run a background check. Please respond when you can.
Sinn

Well, if I understand what you are saying, two UN nations were acessed from the same IP adress. Reguardless of other issues, this is against the rules. No cance of the nation being re instated. Sorry.

From Ejected from the UN? Here's why (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=274575), which you just posted in.
Q: My friends operate those other UN member nations. We all share the same computer.
A: I'm sorry if that's the case. There is no way for the game to tell how many people are on the other end of a computer. For this reason, breaches of UN rules involving only two members are usually punished with expulsion, not deletion.
Substitute "brother" for "friend" and the case is clear. The mods didn't make a mistake, Bloodlust213 did. He's out, and won't be restored.

'dominix', 'bloodlust213', and 'vgkanto' were detected as being UN multies. If they're all separate people, then we're sorry, but wwe can't verify this for ourselves.

The UN ejections stand.

Well, if I understand what you are saying, two UN nations were acessed from the same IP adress. Reguardless of other issues, this is against the rules. No cance of the nation being re instated. Sorry.
We go on more information than the IP address. Three UN nations were accessed from the same computer, not just the same IP.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

I can verify that Dominix is a different user, puppet of Zadom. And im fairly sure that the other two are different people. Ok, i hear your verdict. Thanks for responce.
Sinn

I can verify that Dominix is a different user, puppet of Zadom. And im fairly sure that the other two are different people. Ok, i hear your verdict. Thanks for responce.
Sinn
[Emphasis mine.]

The part in red seems to indicate that you don't understand the ruling, but the part in blue seems to indicate that you do understand the ruling. So, your response is a little confusing to me.

We cannot take your word for it that they are separate people; we need to be able to verify it for ourselves, and there's no way that that's possible since we're not physically at your location and we can't get out to your physical location.

Now, you seem to understand and accept the ruling, but I want to make sure that there is no confusion on the matter.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Okay here is my problem, I was recently recieved an telegram saying that I had mulitple UN Nations...the thing is that I only have one nation to begin with in Nationstates. I don't understand this and I think that it is unreasonable. I use a shared computer a lot of the time and the person I share the computer with has nationstates nation..I also use public computers (on campus at my school) fairly frequently. I really do not understand this..why am I getting kicked out? I only have one nation and I have only ever had one nation...could someone please clarify this, it also seems odd that I am kicked out of the UN at the same time the region I am in is getting invaded...seems fishy to me.

I use a shared computer a lot of the time and the person I share the computer with has nationstates nation..I also use public computers (on campus at my school) fairly frequently.

It is possible that the cheatscan picked you and some classmates up on the public computers. With educational sources, the mods tend to look even a bit more into it, but they do delete occasionally from schools. Just join with another nation.

firstly to Cogitation, i understand the ruling perfectly, thanks for the responce. Im just a little disappointed as these nations have done nothing wrong, but i am fully aware that sanctions placed must stand, for reasons you have mentioned. To Lori Beth, the issue you have just described sounds familiar to many nations. Unfortunately using school campus computers is a risky business, considering that other UN nations could frequent that particular computer, hence creating a difficult situation. Create a new puppet and join the UN with that. Its not your fault, but moderators cant be sure, so the ejection has to stand.
Sinn

I use a shared computer a lot of the time and the person I share the computer with has nationstates nation...

If the person with whom you share the computer has a UN nation, this is precisely the problem Sinn Feins Ireland described.

Only one UN nation per computer is allowed.

If the person with whom you share the computer has a UN nation, this is precisely the problem Sinn Feins Ireland described.

Only one UN nation per computer is allowed.

I can see the reasoning behind it but I mean some situations cannot be helped, it doesn't seem fair that just because someone cannot have a computer of their own that they should be penalized, a re-vamp needs to be done of this protocol to make it fair to all. I think that a motion needs to be put forth debated and discussed concerning this matter. I also think that a person should be given more information about when they are accused of having two UN nations such as what is the other nation, that is what I would like to know. Was it just me that was kicked out or was did the other person lose UN status as well? Is there any way that I can know who this other person was as I want to figure out if it were because of a school computer or not? Also can someone please tell me from what address both nations were logged from. I think that a simple way of fixing this problem would be somethign such as when it comes up that someone may have more than one UN nation that a flag gets put on their account and the accounts are watched closely for a few days and if there is proof within this time period that the persondoes indeed have two states they are dismissed. This may be time consuming i am not sure but this is my suggestion to fix this problem. As I do belive it is rediculous that myself and others like me are penalized for using a public computer. Computers are not cheap and by having this rule, it makes those who are economically disadvantage even more disadvantaged. It creates an almost two tiered system.

what do I have to do to rejoin the UN is there some testing that I can do or something? I do not want to make another nation and leave behind this one as I have had it for so long but I also do not want to remain a UN-less nation. Will I ever get to re-join the UN? Or is the situation hopeless for the remainder of my NS expereince?

I can see the reasoning behind it but I mean some situations cannot be helped, it doesn't seem fair that just because someone cannot have a computer of their own that they should be penalized, a re-vamp needs to be done of this protocol to make it fair to all.

Unfortunately, life isn't fair, and unless the moderators start coming to meet your personally, there's no way to verify the truth. Many debates have been had, and this system isn't changing any time soon. All you can do is create a new nation, join the UN with that, and not log on anywhere that might have another NS UN nation playing from it.

I cannot tell you precisely HOW we determine multis; I can tell you that your nation (and the other one or ones) failed multiple checks.

In these cases, both the UN nations generally lose their status.

what checks would these be? I would like to know so i can avoid something like this from ever happening.

what checks would these be? I would like to know so i can avoid something like this from ever happening.

Don't use the same computer and/or internet connection as someone else with a UN nation.
This is all you need to know.