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Dear Moderators,

This has happened in The Atlantic:

5 minutes ago NationStates Moderators Griefer deleted for ejecting an obscene amount of nations from the region. Banlist cleared.

The only native who had been ejected and unbanned IMMEDIATELY was the former delegate who has not been active ever since. All nations which had been ejected afterwards were NON-natives and spamming puppets. In which way does that mean griefing?

Yours sincerely,

NP

I hope someone comes with some information here, because I have the feeling that a great injustice is done here.
Last night one of the natives has been creating large amounts of puppets, and since he had the password, all those puppets were brought into The Atlantic. I would have ejected all those puppets too, so you might as well delete me too. I would at least eject 20 puppets that were created last night. Can someone prove how many natives have been ejected? I saw it happening, but I knew that it would be dealt with, but this is a great injustice. This native has just been creating an insane amount of puppets, just hoping that invaders would make a mistake here.
If The Armed Republic of Reader Writer ceased to exist for ejecting those overnight created puppets, and the obvious mistake that was bound to be happen, I demand to be deleted too!

Did the moderator checked the names and ages of the ejected nations? Because many had names that refered to the occupation of The Atlantic.

A funny thing is, that this native had been creating these huge amounts of puppets the past three to four days and sent them into the region. Why has deleting non-natives and spamming puppets become forbidden just now?
May there be a coincidence with "Komokom" announcing that rules can be changed quickly? Or am I just paranoid?
And by the way, add a rule which tells us that it is allowed to eject non-native but not an "obscene amount" of them ... whatever that means.

This coming from a NATIVE:

5 minutes ago The Thoughtful Kingdom of Karfunkel I don't *think* Reader Writer ejected any natives other than Squatia, but I could be wrong.

Anyway, welcome to both Free4All, The Island of Orleans and assorted puppets. Feel free to use the HQ as your own.

Comrade Moderators --

While I certainly disagree with the methods The DEN uses, they technically have the right to do so according to the rules laid out by NationStates Moderators. This being said, a moderator should not take part of either side and I've been monitoring the situation myself.

The DEN's invader delegate did only eject and unban the former delegate. I saw with sadness how he destroyed the liberation attempts made by defenders rallying to liberate the region but he did not ban or eject any natives from it. I only saw him ejecting newly entered nations and the puppets the native made enter. This is not a griefing, you are allowed to eject as many nation you wish, if they are not natives and the puppets were not natives, nor were the defenders he ejected.

If my facts are wrong, then please excuse me, but I seriously doubt they are. It was a clean raid and if anybody is to be deleted, it is Aspic, who spread lies and filed a lie-infested report no doubt to you.

With this in mind, let it not be said I approve of raiding or any imperialist raiding group destroying communities. However, I dissaprove even more of moderators taking side by twisting the rules in favor of the Defenders I am part of and especially deleting when one has not broken the rules.

The only fair and just thing to do is to revive the nation and grant him back the Delegacy status before tonight's update. It hurts me too actually back an invader, but when one has broken no technical rules, moderators should not intervene. We, the defenders are there to stand up for what is right and fair, while the moderators are there to ensure no technical rules are violated. In this case, none was and therefore, this decision was unfair.

However, everybody can make misstakes, including the allmighty power that the moderators are and I hope you will correct your misstake within the hours to follow. If you fail, it will truly be a sad day in my opinion and I echo the call of Free4All destined at defenders, to not take advantage of this situation.

In Comradeship

with kudos to Ballotonia

October 25th

<NATIONS>squatia:c17h19no3:united_handicaps:praia:shutupandlisten:killera:karfunkel:
east_ara:aspic:shang-ra-la:this_space_for_let:eternally_forever_love:mavalon</NATIONS>

November 10th, when the region was taken over..

<NATIONS>c17h19no3:united_handicaps:praia:shutupandlisten:killera:karfunkel:
east_ara:aspic:this_space_for_let:eternally_forever_love:mavalon:notaragdoll:
great_polar_bear:reader_writer:luck_and_chance:stone_workers:onser</NATIONS>

Before anyone states "uh oh, NP/ RW ejected shang-ra-la" ... shang-ra-la expired one or two days after I had gained control over the region.

maybe this'll be handy too..

current xml:

<NATIONS>
c17h19no3:united_handicaps:praia:shutupandlisten:killera:karfunkel:east_ara:
aspic:eternally_forever_love:mavalon:notaragdoll:great_polar_bear:
luck_and_chance:stone_workers:playa_pimps:alexander_the_great_4:
ugly_mugshots1:the_addicts:alaxia_anaxia:praedonia:pheonix_excalibur:
downden:ambassador_free4all:a_drunken_sailor:the_island_of_orleans:rmn:
calls:grippsholm:nova_prussia
</NATIONS>

In watching this with great interest... (ie TAG).

If an injustice is done then I hope that the mods have the humility to accept their mistake and put it right. If not, then I hope that an adequate reason is presented.

I'm also interested in the outcome of this

*tags and falls to sleep

Crazy girl, what is that and how did you do it?

I demand to be deleted too!Now, Carinthe, you know by now Moderation Staff won't delete nation accounts on request, and they love you too much any-how, ;)A funny thing is, that this native had been creating these huge amounts of puppets the past three to four days and sent them into the region.Natives made puppets to speak through, because they were afraid of invaders taking any sort of reprisals ? The horror, I'm sure.Why has deleting non-natives and spamming puppets become forbidden just now ?Well, actually, unless you know all the details, then I'd say don't assume its all because of native puppets. And ... I think I see where this is going ...May there be a coincidence with "Komokom" announcing that rules can be changed quickly ? Or am I just paranoid ?A little from column " A ", a little from column " B "

Awww, and my name got put in " here " too, the love, the love, :)

Actually, I only mentioned it in passing as a possibility. I made no " announcement " about it but I am glad to see you invaders did read some of my posting. I could point out for sure it was in passing rather then an " announcement " but all the posts the DEN made seem to have pushed it off. Along with that one minor case of " Stone Workers " smiley " >.> ^.^ etc " spam ... after being told by a native not too of course ...

Also, yes, I'd say how Reader Writer kicked practically almost every single
nation to enter the region, often within seconds of entering, could be seen as a manifesting of paranoia.And by the way, add a rule which tells us that it is allowed to eject non-native but not an "obscene amount" of them ... whatever that means.I'd assume the " obscene amount " would spring from the countless native and non-native puppets as mentioned been almost automaticaly ejected. Hell, I thought at one stage some kind of script was being used ...

Oh, and by the way, the natives invited my few puppets there to post :) again and again, further-more I offered to use my main account, non-U.N. member to boot, to post there with, but Reader Writer saw fit to kick and ban it. Hence my own few puppets. Of course, he saw fit to potentially grief me again and again by kicking and banning them too so ...This coming from a NATIVE:

5 minutes ago The Thoughtful Kingdom of Karfunkel I don't *think* Reader Writer ejected any natives other than Squatia, but I could be wrong.

Anyway, welcome to both Free4All, The Island of Orleans and assorted puppets. Feel free to use the HQ as your own.Yes, and currently natives being kicked has not been specified. Only puppets. Further more, most of the puppets kicked were invited by natives. So realistically they had good reason to be there ...While I certainly disagree with the methods The DEN uses,Aye, welcome to the club,they technically have the right to do so according to the rules laid out by NationStates Moderators.But, yuo forget, the Moderation Staff have the clear cut power to consult each other and react as they see fit to new situations, or in fact any situation they see fit to do so in.This being said, a moderator should not take part of either side and I've been monitoring the situation myself.That being said, I'd like to point out I've not yet seen a Moderator have the chance to post here. But every-one seems happy to ignore that so far. And frankly, a lot of people have been " monitoring the situation " them-selves too. Some ... more pro-actively then others, I'll think you agree ...If my facts are wrong, then please excuse me, but I seriously doubt they are.It was a clean raid and if anybody is to be deleted, it is Aspic, who spread lies and filed a lie-infested report no doubt to you.( bold and red coloration mine of course )

Might I ask you please not to speculate any blame in this situation and potentially spread " lies " your-self, on purpose, or not. Further-more, that Native, from all external observations I could make, acted within the bounds of the game rules and ToS. So I'd try not to slander them yet, if I was you.

Try to leave judgements up to the Game Staff.The only fair and just thing to do is to revive the nation and grant him back the Delegacy status before tonight's update.You do not fully know the situation. Again do not claim to know the " cure ".It hurts me too actually back an invader, but when one has broken no technical rules, moderators should not intervene.Well apparently rules were broken, hence action. I'd thought that would be clear ? Game Staff to not run about willy-nilly with a big whacking stick taking out accounts just because they are invaders, defenders, natives, or pink with purple polka dots.We, the defenders are there to stand up for what is right and fair, while the moderators are there to ensure no technical rules are violated. In this case, none was and therefore, this decision was unfair.And again you are in no position to judge. Unless you suddenly sprout a Game Moderator image on yourr nation page, you don't decide whats right and / or wrong.However, everybody can make misstakes, including the allmighty power that the moderators are... -_- ...and I hope you will correct your misstake within the hours to follow. If you fail, it will truly be a sad day in my opinion and I echo the call of Free4All destined at defenders, to not take advantage of this situation.Oh for ...

Right. I don't know you, as such, while you claim to be a defender, I think your forgetting there are some natives who would like to get their region back under their control. If the situation has presented itself, then why not. Defenders are meant to help out theNatives after all. I hope at least ADN has the balls to step up to the plate. Need I add, Reader Writer has absolutely no righ to Delegacy there to begin with. So just to skip back a bit, I don't see what grants them automatic right to get delegacy back, even if they are not guilty.Before anyone states "uh oh, NP/ RW ejected shang-ra-la" ... shang-ra-la expired one or two days after I had gained control over the region.I'm sure game records might be able to prove that, so your the new Reader Writer ? Puppets abound it seems on all sides now it seems ...In watching this with great interest... (ie TAG).Ummm, this is Moderation Forum, I doubt any-body needs to tag anything.If an injustice is done then I hope that the mods have the humility to accept their mistake and put it right.Of course, so far there is no proof of an injustice. So maybe we should all back off, take a breather, and stop inferring that there is.If not, then I hope that an adequate reason is presented.And just to re-state, currently there is no evidence that any miss-justice has been done, nor has a member of Moderation Staff had even a chance to comment.

Just wait up for that before we all praise he / she who once was Reader Writer, maybe ?

Your propaganda is just disgusting.

First of all, we cannot check if this native acted within the rules, since the link about "puppet multiing" (NOT UN multiing) is still broken.

Then, if you had watched more closely (which you probably did, but you like to twist truth as a good propagandist) you would have noticed, that this "obscene amount" of puppets was NOT always deleted at once, just when I was at my computer (of course you will twist this a little more until it fits to your propaganda of pseudo-justice).

If puppets or non-natives, whom the natives have invited must NOT be kicked, this should also become part of the rules.

For now I send you an "obscene amount" of greetings to Propaganda Land

I see you still want to make this personal, sorry, no point.

1) I never claimed that the native had for sure acted within the rules. I stated that from what I saw they had and they should not be slandered so as they were. That the natives innocence was all up for Moderation Staff to decide as far as that was concerned.

2) Also I never said that they were all ejected at once. I said that as I saw it, they were often ejected very quickly after entering.

If your going to try to flame bait me, then go for it, breecause I think we all know what happens then. Just don't try to be hipocritical with it and try to " twist " as you put it, what I say around your own agenda. It reflects badly on you. Now, maybe as I mentioned we could quell the conjecture ( and the name calling ) until Moderation Staff have a chance to answer, hmmm ?

And just to re-state, currently there is no evidence that any miss-justice has been done, nor has a member of Moderation Staff had even a chance to comment.
Yes and that is why I wrote a balanced post. I dont think I actually asked you to break down my post into little sections and analyse it. Are you even anything to do with the situation? All you're doing is causing divison on this thread, so I would ask you to leave it, and I advise Nove Prussia (the author) to advise you to do so as well.

Hmmm, okay, lets see then

I " broke down your post into little sections " as that is how I always post. That way I can referance what I am posting about. Usually, it makes it easier for people to read, so don't worry, I didn't go to the effort just for you.

And if you have not noticed, most of the people here don't " anything to do with the situation ". I could go further and point out you can hardly expect to eject me from a thread ...

Oh, I see here that is your next step. Well, I'm sure that is still up to Moderation Staff. I didn't realise Moderation Forum was a no go zone when you have been involved in something reported there. And since your " Nova Prussia " mentioned my supposed involvement in certain events there, here in the first place, I don't see the point of me being kicked out unless there is something your afraid I'll say. Once again, just to re-state. Stop. Trying. To. Make. This. Thread. A. Personal. Matter.

Now, maybe we could go back to being on topic and wait for a Game Staff response ? That was my original objective some where back down the line ...

All you're doing is causing divison on this thread, so I would ask you to leave it, and I advise Nove Prussia (the author) to advise you to do so as well.
So this thread is for one sided ranting only? No disputing opinions allowed?
I suppose you can have that if you want, but it seems pretty pointless...

Okay, once again, we're sliding into speculation. Please wait for the Moderator who handled this case to speak.

aye

For what it's worth, some historical precedence.

About 6 months ago in the region "United States" the ADN were attempting to topple a group of invaders by continually moving puppets in. The puppets were ejected by the invading delegate and only the puppets, no natives. About 2 days into this the invader delegate was deleted for griefing because of mass ejection. Complaints were lodged in a civil manner. After review by mods, the nation was restored and allowed in the UN again. The delegateship was not returned to the invading delegate however the ADN did lose the region shortly thereafter.

Hmmm, okay, lets see then

I " broke down your post into little sections " as that is how I always post. That way I can referance what I am posting about. Usually, it makes it easier for people to read, so don't worry, I didn't go to the effort just for you.

And if you have not noticed, most of the people here don't " anything to do with the situation ". I could go further and point out you can hardly expect to eject me from a thread ...

Oh, I see here that is your next step. Well, I'm sure that is still up to Moderation Staff. I didn't realise Moderation Forum was a no go zone when you have been involved in something reported there. And since your " Nova Prussia " mentioned my supposed involvement in certain events there, here in the first place, I don't see the point of me being kicked out unless there is something your afraid I'll say. Once again, just to re-state. Stop. Trying. To. Make. This. Thread. A. Personal. Matter.

Now, maybe we could go back to being on topic and wait for a Game Staff response ? That was my original objective some where back down the line ...
You're doing it again. JUST STOP. Ok? Thankyou.

Now let's wait for the moderator, and dont tell me that it was your original purpose, because YOU were the one who wrote the massive post about this incident, and YOU are the only one who keeps posting here who is NOTHING TO DO with the incident. Just stop posting please.

It is sad to see that Korokom sees no problem in moderators taking side. This means them taking invaders side is equally justified and I shrug at the thought of a moderator doing that. Moderators are to be impartial and no rules were broken.

When we defend a moderator actively taking defenders side, then a moderator taking an invaders side can not be criticised. And would you not cry "Faul" would this occur? Obviously not. Do not think

About me knowing the situation, unless you had a puppet in there, I am quite sure I know what happened.

Again, if my facts are wrong, my humble apologies to the moderators, who have still not responded to this thread.

As far as that matter not related to this thread is concerned :If you look in the Big Invasion/delegate FAQ ! (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5715287&postcount=1), in the orange section about natives, you'll see mention of neutrals. Now, I think unless Moderation staff ask me not to post my observations and any evidence I can provide, I don't see myself being thrown out of here. I was there from day one of the invasion, as you may see me mention below.

Now, back to task : The Red Factions, I'm going to ask you not to put words in my mouth, please. Or at least say that is where they came from, at least.

At no time did I say I thought Moderators should take sides. That is a complete falsification and I'll ask you not to do it again, please. I said you should stop portraying them to have done so, as well as out right say they have. I also stated that they are impartial, I draw you attention to my point " they don't just go about with big whacking sticks, willy-nilly " etc. They act when they see what looks to be a rule violation and I actually agree with Praetonia, " Now let's wait for the moderator ". Because until the Moderator who handled the case has time to make a comment, I don't see a basis to claim their " alleged " bias any-where, thank you very much.

I'll also point out again, claims against another nations character should be made in Getting Help Page requests, so if you have any " doubts " about that natives character or actions, you should put them there, rather then risk " airing dirty laundry " which is in fact not dirty laundry at all. That has been mentioned before in other threads. If you have no solid proof ? Getting Help Request Page. You do ? Good, Getting Help Request Page it is again

Might I add, I did have a puppet in there from day one of the invasion, several in fact, as well as my main account. I was acting in the position of a " neutral " under the Big Invasion/delegate FAQ ! (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5715287&postcount=1) , just so you know, :).

I was also under the invitation of all active natives at all times. Which is nice, feeling wanted.

Ok, and where in there does it mention anything about logging on from two different IPs being illegal (This is with reference to Alberta)?

Regardless of that, BUMP, can we get a mod reply here?

It does not seem like it, but you know Prae, we're evil n stuff

Yes, we probably dont deserve a responce...

I think the mod, who stirred all of this up, took a long break immediately :p

There should be a rule against inactive mods deleting nations.

That there should, Carinthe. Well, Im not going to stop bumping this until someone actually responds...

ROFL if Loggin in from 2 different IP's is illegal, then most of my nations should be deleted, even though a couple of the nations have never ever been in UN. And as for what had happened in The Atlantic, we (Invaders) had a banlist of 87 defender nations and puppet spammers in United States of America and that wasn't put in so it makes me curious as well.

Bump

Still no reply from the responsible moderator? I am deeply impressed I must say...

There's absolutely no accountability. How can we have rules if they're only unheld for some people and not others?

Nothing like an uppity attitude to spur an unpaid volunteer into action. Just have a degree of patience, okay? Sometimes reviews take time.

Prae, how about this.... only bump this once a day, and post relevent stuff to responces until the mod who did this responds, shouldnt be too hard.

Moderator bias has been going on for a long time, gents. This is just the latest blatant example. For whatever reason, both DEN and Invaders have been repeated targets of questionable moderator conduct.

Maybe there is a legitimate explanation for this one. I would not hold my breath, though.

Moderator bias has been going on for a long time, gents. This is just the latest blatant example. For whatever reason, both DEN and Invaders have been repeated targets of questionable moderator conduct.

Maybe there is a legitimate explanation for this one. I would not hold my breath, though.

There is nothing much you can do. I have checked which moderators have been active lately, and it turns out that this is done by the least talkative mod of them all. We better be careful what we say here. A moderator does not have to respond to everything in this thread, but the case gets more and more cloudy if we don't come up with actual information, and slowly resort to badmouthing mods.

The Armed Republic of Reader Writer is deleted because he ejected all the puppets created by one of the natives. There is no actual proof that any faulplay is done here, unless Nova Prussia is a schizophrene who grieves by one identity and is a police officer with his other personallity. In that case the mod in question will come up (eventually) with more information of which we all have no knowledge about.

Can we lock this thread before more black helicopter stories come out of the woodworks?

If you got a legit complaint, send it to admin, otherwise, there's not much anyone here can do to prove the basis of any moderator ruling.

Can we lock this thread before more black helicopter stories come out of the woodworks?
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Nova Prussia has the right to bump this thread, as long as he doesn't resort to accusations to make the mods look bad. This case isn't solved yet.

This isn't solved, indeed. I think it would be just fair to explain why the delegate was deleted.

P.S.: Kicking an "obscene amount" of nations seems quite random.

Nova Prussia has the right to bump this thread, as long as he doesn't resort to accusations to make the mods look bad. This case isn't solved yet.

Yes, Nova Prussia may, but you don't. ;)

Yes, Nova Prussia may, but you don't. ;)

Look who's talking :p

The only ones who need to be posting in this thread are those directly involved and the moderators. I'm just going to start deleting unnecessary posts in Moderation if people don't stop this.

The Armed Republic of Reader Writer is deleted because he ejected all the puppets created by one of the natives. There is no actual proof that any faulplay is done here, unless Nova Prussia is a schizophrene who grieves by one identity and is a police officer with his other personallity. In that case the mod in question will come up (eventually) with more information of which we all have no knowledge about.

To my knowledge, ejecting Puppets is not a crime, if they arrived after the invasion took place, as it happened here. And would it BE a crime to actually eject those puppets, then it would be most wise to install some kind of way to identify those.

Anyway, still no moderation reply and it's too late to talk about restoring the delegate as this issue was ignored so damage done and it won't be repaired.

Hard cheese.

To my knowledge, ejecting Puppets is not a crime, if they arrived after the invasion took place, as it happened here. And would it BE a crime to actually eject those puppets, then it would be most wise to install some kind of way to identify those.Right ... Well, until the Moderation Staff who dealt with the event does post here as they will I think we wil need to wait patiently.Anyway, still no moderation replyAnother tragic point to Real Life Events I suppose.and it's too late to talk about restoring the delegate as this issue was ignored so damage done and it won't be repaired.Oh please,

1) She or He was an invader delegate in the first place. No matter what result, Moderation Staff are not going to " kick " out a native delegate elected by natives, after the events were resolved.

2) Until some kind of ruling is made by the Moderation Staff involved, I don't quite think your " up to task " in deciding on any " damage " being " done " to any-body. Or even if there is any need for " repair " in the first place.

Hard cheese.No thanks, I prefer Cream Cheese on those round little water crackers. So lets try to stay on topic rather then the high horse when it comes to talking to other players.

EDIT : Oh ! And reading the next post, my thanks to Nova Prussia, I forgot to point out before that Myrth made a post before the one I have quoted here about those not involved not posting here. Might I add, I don't recall TRF being an involved party to any public extent in the events being discussed here. Nor do I remember them being in a postion to have any or special knowledge about the events in that region throughout the invasion. Opinions yes, actual data no. So I'd make sure you read that post by Myrth, TRF.

Ang again, my thanks to the good Nova Prussia ! I forgot to mention that edit bit when I posted here last ! I hope this can all be resolved soon !

The only ones who need to be posting in this thread are those directly involved and the moderators. I'm just going to start deleting unnecessary posts in Moderation if people don't stop this.

Read the quoted text above Komokom.

Much appreciated!

I am almost convinced that only overnight puppets were created to confuse the invaders, and that therefore the nation Reader Writer is deleted, because he obviously ejected them, just as any invader would. That influences gameplay, and therefore concerns us all. Delete my posts, if you must, but I think this issue concerns us all.
I was watching that region for some time now, and all I saw was some newly created puppets ejected by the invader's delegate. This doesn't concern only the deleted nation. It concerns all invaders. Because of this action, natives will produce masses of puppets, when they are invaded. Invaders have to give the password to the natives, so in return the natives will bring in lots of puppets, which the invaders can't eject in fear of deletion.

I know that "mass ejections" of natives are not allowed, but those puppets were no natives. Everybody would have ejected them.

To be short: Bump!

Bump

Still nothing eh?

At what point will another mod take over the investigation of this situation?

Ballotonia

Could we please have an answer dear moderators? I had a puppet in there so I know for a fact no rules were broken here.

Wow, how long has this thread been around? Its always when you need answers the most that they never come.... GL to you guys. Lets keep this going.

I really try to ignore this thread.
I'm beginning to see a "Den" pattern here. This mess is getting bigger and bigger. :rolleyes:

Well, we would just like to get an explanation, a justification as to why moderators interevened in the manner they did. I will bump this thread every day until we get an answer, just to make sure nobody forgets this thread.

I really try to ignore this thread.
I'm beginning to see a "Den" pattern here. This mess is getting bigger and bigger. :rolleyes:You too, eh ? ;)

Ah, well, still no reply from the moderators. Silence is acceptance and if the responsible moderator is ever found, which should be our right, I hope he will be removed from his moderator position, unless he can give us proof that Reader Writer did break some rules.

You guys have to organize yourselves. Creating multiple topics about the deletions of the same Den soldiers isn't very helpful. Also you all must stop asking why other players are deleted. You have no idea, and there might be a good reason for that deletion, but ýou are not helping the members who are unjustful deleted. If you talk to your leaders, and let him/her make a list of unjustful deleted nations, that would be much easier. Again I stress, do not push forward the revival of nations that aren't your's. Obviously the mods are heavily understaffed, and creating multiple topics clouds the issue at hand enormously.

This thread was created by the one who was deleted. We are all DEN troopers who were in there at the time and we would like to have a reply as to why the moderators are trying to refuse us our right for an explanation.

To everyone who thinks that we're out of line being angry that the mods have deleted our nations for no apparent reason and now want an explanation: Creat your own thread about it. I dont give a damn, neither does anyone else involved in this and your posts are just getting irritating.

This thread was created by the one who was deleted. We are all DEN troopers who were in there at the time and we would like to have a reply as to why the moderators are trying to refuse us our right for an explanation.

Creating multiple threads, as Carinthe, and several others - including myself - have suggest is not the way to go about this. Patience is the only way to go about this.

I ask that all the threads concering DEN in moderation be locked pending moderator review.

I would have to agree with Tuesday, as it stands there was last I checked even one in Game Play of all places about it too.

I disagree. We have been wrongly accused too many times over and I am against locking this thread until the moderators that took care of this explains himself.

*bumps*

I agree, this reflects on invading as a whole. I know for a fact that most of the puppets that where banned came from defender regions. While my region may not agree with the tactics of defenders or invaders, as far as game play is concerned we would like to know how this affects our strategies in the future.
So with much respect to the mods (as I mod a rather large forum myself I understand time restraints), bump.

Bump