NationStates Jolt Archive

I'm curious what has happened to the Bare Breast Act. I heard a ruling earlier that it would be allowed:
Not gonna happen. From #themodcave:

<Frisbeeteria> Bare Breast Act
<Frisbeeteria> front page, in queue
<SalusaSecondus> Yeah, looks valid
<Frisbeeteria> damn
<SalusaSecondus> That exact logic is behind laws in several US states and portions of Canada
* SalusaSecondus sees nothing inappropriate or sexual behind it
<Frisbeeteria> we sure have some bored players, though
<Frisbeeteria> all righty then - appreciate the ruling

But, apparently, it's gone now. Normally, I would only be curious as to why the change of heart for the mods, but now I'm also concerned about the games ability to have multiple proposals in queue.

I believe there can be multiple proposals in queue (correct me if I'm wrong). I think I've seen it before. The reason I bring it up is because, at the current rate, if my proposal makes quorum (not considering even how much I like to heat up the TG caqmpaing in the final days), the proposal ahead of mine will reach quorum as well. If there's a problem in the game (either long-standing, or newly developed) with having multiple proposals in queue, it'd be helpful for me to know before I get the bad news that my proposal was lost because it was posted right behind another approved proposal.

Either way, thanks for your time, you're always so helpful.

*wipes brown from nose*

~PC

There is no problem with having multiple proposals in queue at the same time. Rights and Duties of UN States sat through three other proposals (Passport Harmonisation, Definition of 'Fair Trial', and Save the Forests of the World) before hitting the floor. In fact, it's my opinion that Save the Forests and Passports were the unintentional beneficiaries of the telegram campaigns that Ninjadom and I were doing to promote our own proposals. This is a common dynamic, particularly after a long stretch of no voting activities. People will approve something, anything, just to keep the game flowing.

As to the Bare Breast issue, Salusa made the ruling in the Mod Cave with no Game Mods present. Only Myrth and (I think) Unfree People were around last night when I asked, and they didn't participate in the conversation. My guess is that Cogitation or GMC Military Arms saw the proposal and decided that it was 'unfit for consideration' (TMG Hack posted in the UN topic, and presumably went along with Salusa's ruling). As the Game Mods who most closely follow the UN, their opinions are at least equal to Sal's. As I understand it, a given Mod may independently arrive at a conclusion even when another has arrived at a different conclusion. There is too much going on for them to coordinate every single decision.

The matter has been brought up for discussion amongst the Moderators. A final ruling is pending. Please be patient.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Frisbeeteria is also right regarding me and the UN. I deal with it so rarely that I'll usually follow what the other mods decide. After all, they have more experience with it than I.

But yeah, we're discussing (as we always do when there is a difference of opinion). I could honestly see the ruling going either way.

I'd like the decision to consider the following:

If a proposal that has reached qurorum can point to perhaps a situation where a real government has dealt with a similar idea, the proposal *might* be just as appropriate as your standard gun control or recreational drug use proposal.

The issue of sovereignty should be something that shouldn't decide *what* reaches the UN floor, though it is IMHO good fodder for UN members to vote a resolution up or down.

Though somebody may have brought these points up, I hope that "the team" will consider them. By being able to point to real world examples of similar ideas, you can better defend those decisions that come in the future when it is decided / ruled that a proposal is not worthy of the UN's consideration.



And for the record, nothing in this post should be considered my nation advocating a vote for or against the proposal. (For that info, you can read my opinions in the UN or in my off-site regional forum.) :)

And PC, I have a special word for brown-nosing in the moderation forum. It is calling being a "modling". ;)

And PC, I have a special word for brown-nosing in the moderation forum. It is calling being a "modling". ;)
"Modling" is a specific type of position on the NationStates Staff. SalusaSecondus used to be a Tech Modling (and, in fact, was the only Modling of any kind in the history of NationStates). There are no Modlings, at present.

A minor point, but I don't want the term being abused or double-defined.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation