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Why is bashing him not allowed when he died? I remember very well that many people including a number of mods jumped for joy and celebrated the death of Ronald Reagan and the threads celebrating his death weren't locked. He was a hero to many more people than Arafat.

I want an honest answer here please.

I wonder the same thing... I came dangerously close to outright flaming half of General and stepped back personally during Reagan's wake... and it was allowed to go on with a lock here or there but no ruling such as this to protect pro and anti-Reagan supporters.

I wonder the same thing... I came dangerously close to outright flaming half of General and stepped back personally during Reagan's wake... and it was allowed to go on with a lock here or there but no ruling such as this to protect pro and anti-Reagan supporters.
Tell me about it. A lot more people are offended by Reagan bashing than the bashing of a murdering terrorist who walked away from peace deals to kill Jews and launder money from his people.

Remember those horrible nasty Palestinians who danced and laughed and shouted when the Trade Centers came down? Remember those horrible nasty Iraqis who celebrated in the streets when four Americans were hung from a bridge in Faluhjah? Remember how horrible and nasty you thought they were?

You're them. To Palestinian supporters and much of the Arab world, that's who you look like.

Ask yourselves - is that the sort of message we want the rest of the world to think when they think of Americans? Show a little dignity. Wait until he's buried before you dance on his grave. To a big chunk of the world, he's a hero. To us, he's a terrorist. Either way, he's gonna stay dead. You can wait.

Why is bashing him not allowed when he died? I remember very well that many people including a number of mods jumped for joy and celebrated the death of Ronald Reagan and the threads celebrating his death weren't locked. He was a hero to many more people than Arafat.

I want an honest answer here please.

I am inclined to believe you ... but if you could find some threads, it might help your case.

However, after the election, I also remember mods locking Bush hating threads for a few days too.

That said, next week things should be simmered down and Arafat should be no exception.

Look. I don't care who you are, if you bash Reagan before his body is cold, but say "SHAME ON YOU!" when we are glad such a man as Arafat has died, then you are nothing more that a lying, hippocratic, dishonorable piece of..........yeah........I'm not going to say it.....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=332852
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=332759
here are some of the threads that had tons of anti-Reagan stuff. I will credit Stephistan for not sinking low and attacking Reagan as others did
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=332758
this one was locked when stuff broke down. There were some comments from mods that were far less than repectful.

Are we going to have the same rule when Rehnquist dies ?

Are we going to have the same rule when Rehnquist dies ?
Who knows, Rehnquist wasn't that polarizing.

Remember those horrible nasty Palestinians who danced and laughed and shouted when the Trade Centers came down? Remember those horrible nasty Iraqis who celebrated in the streets when four Americans were hung from a bridge in Faluhjah? Remember how horrible and nasty you thought they were?

You're them. To Palestinian supporters and much of the Arab world, that's who you look like.

Ask yourselves - is that the sort of message we want the rest of the world to think when they think of Americans? Show a little dignity. Wait until he's buried before you dance on his grave. To a big chunk of the world, he's a hero. To us, he's a terrorist. Either way, he's gonna stay dead. You can wait.

I wouldnt make such sweeping generalisations, not all Arabs are terrorists.

I wouldnt make such sweeping generalisations, not all Arabs are terrorists.
I wasn't making such a generalisation, in fact quite the opposite. The only one I called a terrorist was Arafat.

CNN showed the same 30 people dancing and singing after 9/11, over and over again. That was the video bite of the moment - the nasty evil foreigners celebrating our tragedy. I just don't want Americans or Europeans or Israelis or anyone to become Al Jazeera's "The world celebrates Arafat's death" talking point.

I, for the record, defended Reagan as a believer in his politics at that time and defended his right to be at least treated with a bit of dignity as most of the General forumities danced on his grave... I also did the same side-by-side with Stephistan after Arafat's passing.

I don't want to rain on the parade, guys, ( and girls ), but maybe we should wait for Moderation Staff to come in and answer the original question before we catapult into exactly the kind of thread topics that did or did not ( what-ever ) spring the dreaded lock-storms ?

From what behaviour I've seen so far this smells like its dissolving ( or decomposing into ) the kind of General material that caused problems in the first place. So could we all back off presenting our * " I say, you say " style opinions for a moment ?

* Anybody here who has played GTA SA and listened to WCTR will know what I mean, ;)

So could we all back off presenting our * " I say, you say " style opinions for a moment ?

* Anybody here who has played GTA SA and listened to WCTR will know what I mean, ;)


So far, that's actually the only thing that's made any sense around here :D

If one of the mods said we're not allowed to 'bash' Arafat after his death, I'd like to know who it was. That's just ri-goddamn-diculous.

If one of the mods said we're not allowed to 'bash' Arafat after his death, I'd like to know who it was. That's just ri-goddamn-diculous.

Stephistan... let me find some thread posts:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7464757&postcount=186
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7455683&postcount=2
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7455591&postcount=42
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7454194&postcount=29

But, she didn't say "let's not bash Arafat," she's closing threads about him for a week so that things aren't as heated.

I think some of our concerns is that this didn't happen after Reagan died... and many of us were being flamed left and right for defending him.

WTF!
She just locked my Arafat the terrorist thread!
This after Cog posted and said carry on, and she agreed to let it go ahead.
She said that we gave him 24 hours so it was ok or something like that. Can someone please stop this?
I swear, when Bin Laden gets killed i'm going to remind her to lock the Bin Laden bashing threads in order to "show some respect for the dead".

It's being discussed.

I'm going to complain to Violet.

EDIT: And thanks Melkor!

:headbang:

Admin is busy enough, I think we can handle this on our own. If you haven't already sent the email, I wouldn't bother. Like I said, it's already being discussed.

Admin is busy enough, I think we can handle this on our own. If you haven't already sent the email, I wouldn't bother. Like I said, it's already being discussed.
Ok then, I won't complain... for now!

And I doubt you have to :p

I generally don't involve myself with forum issues, but for some strange reason I saw it fit to leap into this one. I completely see where you're coming from here.

I have followed those thread, and many of them were full of flamebait. It starts with ranting how he was, when he was alive, and goes slowly to muslim hate. I lock these threats in my own forum too. Treads about Reagan were just about Reagan, but treads about Arafat were beginning to become hate treads against Muslims and Jews. The man is dead, we should stop bashing him and move on with our lives.

And I doubt you have to :p

I generally don't involve myself with forum issues, but for some strange reason I saw it fit to leap into this one. I completely see where you're coming from here.
Thanks again Melkor, and good luck changing Steph's mind. :p
Can you TG me or unlock the Arafat the terrorist thread when i'm allowed to bash him again?

I have followed those thread, and many of them were full of flamebait. It starts with ranting how he was, when he was alive, and goes slowly to muslim hate. I lock these threats in my own forum too. Treads about Reagan were just about Reagan, but treads about Arafat were beginning to become hate treads against Muslims and Jews. The man is dead, we should stop bashing him and move on with our lives.

I disagree. Of the threads I read [and I'll admit I didnt read all 13 pages of that one, only three or four of the later ones], I failed to see much flaming, if any at all. But if Steph can find it for me, I'll gladly bake my words at 350 degrees and eat them. Gotta cook that shit, you know. Or else you'll get sick and stuff.

I read the entire thread and didn't find any flamebaiting except for the occasional "idiot" or "liar" which hardly counts as flaming next to some of the stuff i've seen.

I do believe we could sit here all night and day discussing how many of the threads in the General forum are flamebait to someone or other...

Thess threads are greatly used to polarize Muslim or Jew hate.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=373089
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372834
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372774
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372502
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372711
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372698
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372743
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372729


If you are able to talk about Arafat, without Muslims and Jews in general, these thread is still open:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=373162
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372854
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372732
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372723
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372491

That covers is a bit. Not all threads about Arafat's death are closed.

Treads about Reagan* Well, there was a " Sherman " tank, and tanks have treads, so we could have a " Reagan " one too I guess,

It could be the tank that fights Communism ! :p

* Well, there was a " Sherman " tank, and tanks have treads, so we could have a " Reagan " one too I guess,

It could be the tank that fights Communism ! :p

If you weren't so right, I would report you to the grammar police.

Anyway, I think the character "h" should be banned from NS ;)

Ok, here's the deal, I admit to perhaps acting a bit in haste in locking some of the Arafat threads on the day of his death. I'm sorry for that perhaps I should of let them go and seen where they went. However the thread started yesterday that I did let go "Arafat The Terrorist" did turn into pages of flamebait and that was rightfully locked.

That being said, I will not lock any Arafat thread that you wish to create as long as no trolling, flamebait or flaming occurs.

I'm sorry if I acted a little over zealous on the day of his death, but it was my feeling that I wanted to stop the flamefest before it got started. I should of not preemptively taken that action, I should of waited to see if that did in fact happen, for that I was in error. See, just goes to prove taking preemptive action is not the best thing huh..lol..

Any way, as long as they're discussion threads and not just posted to anger people "trolling" "flamebait" or any "flaming" I will leave them alone.

The "Arafat The Terrorist" stays locked because it did turn into a bunch of flamebait towards the end. Carry on and sorry if I acted in a little too much haste, it happens.:)

I didn't find any flamebait in the Arafat the Terrorist thread. Could you please give me a link Steph?

I didn't find any flamebait in the Arafat the Terrorist thread. Could you please give me a link Steph?

The first start of it was some one accusing you of flamebait, then you accused them of flamebait for accusing you of flamebait, then from about page;

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=373089&page=8&pp=15

post #113, you being accused of lying, the tone sort of went done hill from there. From people calling some one an idiot and other stuff that the tone was simply flamebait in my opinion. Now, that is not to say that all of the posts in that thread were in fact flamebait because they weren't. But more then one was, more then two was. It was enough for me to lock it. No one got a warning, it was just locked. I mean you, yourself accused (can't recall his name right now) of flamebaiting you...

As I have said, if you wish to start another thread, perhaps with not such a trolling type title, so it won't attract anger, then please by all means go ahead.

No one is in trouble or any thing. It was just the tone from post #113 on (not all but a lot of them) that just screamed of trolling and trying to anger the other side. I know I felt anger to some of the posts people were posting on both sides. So, if I was feeling it then I'm sure so were others.

Edited to fix the link.

The "Arafat The Terrorist" stays locked because it did turn into a bunch of flamebait towards the end.

Most been lurking ... but I've got to say I 100% agree that flamebait threads need to be locked.

But I also have a reservation. I've seen some players whom have admitted to being on IRC and talking with mods take advantage of this too. They've flamed / personally attacked people, and minutes later the thread would be locked.

That said, I'd suggest that any time a thread is locked for flaming, please have the moderator who judged it to be so (it will be obvious to most of us) post a final post saying something along the lines that this thread is being locked because of excessive flaming on the parties of one or more parties. Don't finger anybody, but it might help calm things down if it was clear that it takes more than one person to flame.

That said, I'd suggest that any time a thread is locked for flaming, please have the moderator who judged it to be so (it will be obvious to most of us) post a final post saying something along the lines that this thread is being locked because of excessive flaming on the parties of one or more parties. Don't finger anybody, but it might help calm things down if it was clear that it takes more than one person to flame.

I did!

That said, I'd suggest that any time a thread is locked for flaming, please have the moderator who judged it to be so (it will be obvious to most of us) post a final post saying something along the lines that this thread is being locked because of excessive flaming on the parties of one or more parties. Don't finger anybody, but it might help calm things down if it was clear that it takes more than one person to flame.

Most do, and some all issue their warnings if it's bad enough in the last post. Cogitation sometimes takes time to think about his warning and will come back later and post them through the lock as well.

Flaming should be punished, hands down.