NationStates Jolt Archive

Someone on NS has been giving out things I wrote to him on IM, without my permission. He has also been passing out out my Screen name without my permission (its on the IM convos). He is _____ in the region of _____.

I found out because I was ejected from _____. The reason that they gave was because they intersepted an AIM message saying that I was planning something against _____ (check my telegrams). I only IM ___ people from nationstates, __________. I would like you to chec this out, I don't want people knowing my screen name!

[Moderator Edit - Cogitation] Details noted and removed from public view. For things that can only be proven by Moderators, don't make accusations in the forums. [/modedit]

Anything regarding a possible (but not publicly proveable) illegal action should be sent to the Mods via the Getting Help (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help) page, so as to not risk public false accusations. You can also privately contact the mods on IRC at #themodcave - their no-idling policy means your conversation is private.

They'll also be interested in specifics that you probably should have left out of your post here. Getting Help allows you to name names and be quite specific.

Thanks a lot

well look at it this way you could sign up for a news letter and your email may be sold tuns of times over but you cant do any thing cause you gave it out same as you screen name i put my screen name on a form i filled out at an online store and got im spamed once
its the info trade and in rl its 100% leagle

RTW has a point. In the future, be more careful when messaging people in a way that they can see your address.

RTW has a point. In the future, be more careful when messaging people in a way that they can see your address.
Hersfold, you're still not a mod. Let them deal with it, and don't be giving out authoritative answers that don't have authority behind them.

Ladies and gents, since there is no precedent for this situation as far as I know, kindly don't speculate.

Ladies and gents, since there is no precedent for this situation as far as I know, kindly don't speculate.
sorry just giong off what i've seen of else where and such which is basicly
"no hack no foul"

Ladies and gents, since there is no precedent for this situation as far as I know, kindly don't speculate.

Not trying to speculate... but wouldn't this at least be a bit connected with users posting sensitive information on off-site forums to discredit someone?

I mean, what are the mods going to do? Police are e-mail and AIM accounts, too?

I think we all know that posting someone's personal information is at the very least, a low and cowardly thing to do. As for what action should be taken, it's under consideration.

"It's your own fault," is not helpful, nor is it particularly sensitive... I imagine no one here would like it to happen to him or herself.

Not trying to speculate... but wouldn't this at least be a bit connected with users posting sensitive information on off-site forums to discredit someone?

I mean, what are the mods going to do? Police are e-mail and AIM accounts, too?

I share Tuesday Heights' concern and possible connection theory.
Maybe however there is an offsite forum that this thread's creator is a member of that got its launch because of NS -- and maybe your email was violated there.

Also, we are sorting out some postings and telegrams in our region that supposedly came from this thread's creator -- but if they were not from him then who sent them?

Maybe the moderators can backtrack -- I am contacting "Getting Help" directly now with my specific suspicions.

Mods,

If I may defend myself. I was merely delivering the leader of the involved region a tip-off that the originator of this thread might be planning something against said region. I merely copied and pasted the original conversation into a telegram, which contained no other personal info about him, aside from his SN. My intentions were not to spread his AIM screenname all over NationStates, as he indicates, but merely to deliver some basic intellegence to the involved region. I had no idea that he was intending to keep his AIM Screenname private, for if he was, I would have surely withheld it. I have already privately apologized to the author of this thread and rest assured, I will withhold all personal information in the future while playing the game.

As for 'posting things I said without my permission' I believe that he did freely supply the information and it's not as though I posted it in a public forum for all to see (only in one telegram). He could have just as easily not told me anything regarding his apparent plans. Instead, he chose to supply that information of his own accord and that is his political blunder. Thank you.

Tim Kotula

Hectares, i know you from HS, you should know me better, its not like I met you over the internet. And from what you told me today, you modified those convoes to your own suiting

Gentlemen, if this is a real-life dispute, perhaps you should solve it in real life. Neither the mods nor this forum were designed as social workers or mediators of non-game issues. Either way, it's distasteful to watch, and I wish you'd take it offline.

Gentlemen, if this is a real-life dispute, perhaps you should solve it in real life. Neither the mods nor this forum were designed as social workers or mediators of non-game issues. Either way, it's distasteful to watch, and I wish you'd take it offline.

I certainly concur. Except that Four Hectures' scheme smells and that odor permeates the rest of us.

I made a screen of the Civil Headquarters of the region Brutus FYI --

Messages from regional members are co-ordinated here.
Lodged From Message

10 days ago The Right-Wing Empire of Four Hectares
Saturday, October 30, 2004 - Region Founded

1 day ago The Right-Wing Empire of Four Hectares
Sunday, November 8, 2004 - Delivered intel on Adolph Hitler to Nazi Europe.

1 day ago The Right-Wing Empire of Four Hectares
Monday, November 8, 2004 @ 7:15 AM - The Nazi European Embassay of Adolph Hitler is formally removed from NE High Council and ejected from the region. Let my quest for power begin. :_)

A nation in my home region of Imperial Europe (that nation btw has filed a formal complaint of suspicion with NS Moderation via "Getting Help") received a telegram during that same time-frame offering up the region Aryan Blood via Adolph Hilter's puppet Adolph Hilter II. It was so uncharacteristic of Hilter's gameplay to date that it naturally aroused suspicion.

Mods,

If I may defend myself. I was merely delivering the leader of the involved region a tip-off that the originator of this thread might be planning something against said region. I merely copied and pasted the original conversation into a telegram, which contained no other personal info about him, aside from his SN. My intentions were not to spread his AIM screenname all over NationStates, as he indicates, but merely to deliver some basic intellegence to the involved region. I had no idea that he was intending to keep his AIM Screenname private, for if he was, I would have surely withheld it. I have already privately apologized to the author of this thread and rest assured, I will withhold all personal information in the future while playing the game.

As for 'posting things I said without my permission' I believe that he did freely supply the information and it's not as though I posted it in a public forum for all to see (only in one telegram). He could have just as easily not told me anything regarding his apparent plans. Instead, he chose to supply that information of his own accord and that is his political blunder. Thank you.

Tim Kotula

Emphasis in the above quote is mine. Whether it was Adolph Hilter's high school chum or another NS player (and we have suspicion it was -- and a DOS one at that) hacking into another player's nation would be a violation of NS rules right?

Were we in Imperial Europe to act on the telegram sent by whomever used Adolph Hilter II's nation could've had wider (and negative) repercussions.

Please moderation check out this matter further -- we believe that Adolph Hilter II was not the player the nation it normally belongs to.

Number one: I do not have the capability to hack into other player's nations, nor would I ever. That's just wrong.

Number two: My regional messages are jokes, not to be taken seriously. I have no allies with which to invade, so why should you suspect me?

Tim Kotula

Number one: I do not have the capability to hack into other player's nations, nor would I ever. That's just wrong.Tim Kotula
i dont think she ment you i think she ment the former founder of nazi europe who is now dos
and if she likes i will try to ask him

If you would like to see the original telegram that I sent to the region in question, here it is, with only the 'personal information' (the screenames) removed.

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Good Evening,

I am the leader of the Four Hectares nation and I am coming to you with some intelligence regarding one of your region’s member nations – The Nazi European Embassy of Adolph Hitler. I am close friends with him and it would seem that he is planning to double-cross you. His SN is **Person 1**. I am **Person 2**. I have attached the following IM conversation to prove it. Feel free to use this intelligence however you see fit, however I would strongly advise keeping a close eye on him in the future. He has attempted to cause chaos at other regions in the past and controls many, many different nations. Thank you for your time.

Timothy Kotula
President, Four Hectares nation


ATTACHMENT
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Person 1: The other 3 documents prove that
Person 1: I will show them to you on Tuesday, there are a few things that I don't want to show you; I am still a bit vigilant
Person 1: There are 2 more things that are in this mix
Person 2: I see
Person 1: just at the right time, for power
Person 2: So, your plans must go into action now
Person 1: Exactly, I need to finish what i have ignored for over two months now
Person 2: I see
Person 1: Maybe I am not as heartless and as tyrannical as you thought i was
Person 1: But I know what needs to be done, and this time I have the evidence to do it
Person 2: Perhaps you could tell me some more about your plans?
Person 1: Honestly, all it is is a moderate conversation piece. All I have to do is give insider info to one side, and to the other
Person 2: And then they just collapse?
Person 2: and fall on each other?
Person 1: No, but it will decrease thier power tremendoulsy, people will grow tiered of things
Person 2: I see
Person 1: i can show you one day the inner forum in the NE boards, its funny
Person 1: I have the PW
Person 1: I told you that I am a high council member
Person 2: right

Unless a telegram is physically sitting in someone's inbox, there is no way to tell if this is, in fact, the original - undoctered - telegram.

Doesn't matter, I know what I have done and I have done only one thing: Deliver intellegence to another region. I do not hack other players nations, hacking is for the immature and the psychologically troubled and it is wrong. As mentioned above, I have formally apologized to Adolph Hitler for leaking his screenname (even though I was unaware this would be a problem) to other nations. I will continue to abide by NS rules now and in the future. Mods and fellow players, I hereby suggest we drop this and move on. Does anyone else agree?

Tim Kotula

well i'll say this i recived a copy of that tg, i dont believe ah knew, and then last night he sent me a pm on a offsite forum with his aim

Doesn't matter, I know what I have done and I have done only one thing: Deliver intellegence to another region.

Actually, the information I provided does indeed matter; your "telegram" is only verifable if a mod can check your inbox or someone you sent it to's inbox to confirm it is actually the way you presented it in your post.

Just because you know what you did doesn't mean we can just assume you are innocent and guilty.

Mods and fellow players, I hereby suggest we drop this and move on. Does anyone else agree?

I would concur here, because the only thing that looks like has happened here from the information provided is that someone used a dirty-handed tactic to extract and pass out information without consent.

Number one: I do not have the capability to hack into other player's nations, nor would I ever. That's just wrong.

Number two: My regional messages are jokes, not to be taken seriously. I have no allies with which to invade, so why should you suspect me?

Tim Kotula

Highlighted section of the above post is my emphasis.

Whatever the heck is really going on with you and Adolph Hilter as high school chums in real life, your "jokes" are affecting over players besides yourselves. While it is nice that you acknowledge your indiscretion in releasing AH's AIM screen/address and apology, I think you need to fess up as to what your real intentions were with your Brutus region posts I noted earlier in this thread.

I would concur here, because the only thing that looks like has happened here from the information provided is that someone used a dirty-handed tactic to extract and pass out information without consent.

I certainly respect your opinion Tuesday Heights.
You ultimately may be correct here.
Yet I view that "dirty-handed tactic" more severely -- something that may be indicative of other behavior that has maybe consigned the player behind Four Hectares' previous NS nations into the deletion bin (or even earned them a DOS: "Delete On Sight" status).

i dont think she ment you i think she ment the former founder of nazi europe who is now dos
and if she likes i will try to ask him

RTW, if you know that a DOS player is playing on NS, it is your duty I believe to report him or her to NS Moderation, via the "Getting Help" page.

Your "joke", Four Hectares, is affecting players and regions beyond Adolph Hilter's NAZI EUROPE.

And btw -- I have no love lost for Adolph Hilter and his fate from NAZI EUROPE. But fair is fair.
I am not convinced that the truth is being told here.

--Brad
The Paradoxical Paradise of Nolaerie
The Anti Nazi Alliance
Museums Creation Division

You have already heard the truth. There is nothing more to say regarding my side of this incident.

As for my 'previously deleted nations', I have none. I created Four Hectares several months ago and it has been one of only two other nations I have controlled ever since. I have never, ever had a nation deleted before. I had never ever heard of NS until I stumbled accross it one day, several months ago.

You are attempting to make a mountain out of a molehill Nolaerie. I was merely delivering a friendly bit of intellegence to another region. You seem to be fixated on my comments made on my regional messageboard as being behind some greater scheme when they are merely jokes for my friends who play this game.

I am in no way allied with any region, Nazi or Anti-Nazi or otherwise. I am a free agent. In short, and I'll say it slowly this time, so you can understand: I HAVE NO OTHER PLANS.

Now I would really appreciate if everyone who has posted here would quietly return to normal, law-abiding gameplay, as I intend to. Thank you.

Tim Kotula

Yet I view that "dirty-handed tactic" more severely -- something that may be indicative of other behavior that has maybe consigned the player behind Four Hectares' previous NS nations into the deletion bin (or even earned them a DOS status).

Only a moderator can assess why a nation was deleted. To assume this behavior has anything to do with previous behavior can't be ascertained by regular players. Unfortunately, from what has been prevented, no rule violations - at least that I can see from my limited knowledge - have occured, only a breaking of most people's ethics.

<snip>
RTW, if you know that a DOS player is playing on NS, it is your duty I believe to report him or her to NS Moderation, via the "Getting Help" page.
<snip>--Brad
The Paradoxical Paradise of Nolaerie
The Anti Nazi Alliance
Museums Creation Division
i know of no nations currently that are dos
i do know a person who has achieved a dos statis(i think you know who i'm talking about with his "nazi clones")
i just offered my help since i still chat with him somtimes
btw i dont think he has been back i know he currently has an appele in to admin as do i and neither of us has gotten a responce back yet