NationStates Jolt Archive

Specifically, the one entitled, 'Thanks, Americans, for clarifying a long-standing political issue". It was ilocked by Cogitation, 'pending Moderator review' as it was thought that thread might constitute trolling.

Obviously I'm in disagreement, otherwise I wouldn't be here trying to appeal that decision. I know I've been sometimes coarse with the moderators over issues like locked threads, and I certainly understand why this action may have been taken. I appreciate that NS is not a democracy. I am aware that feelings are running high of late. I know that there are simply too many threads appearing to keep on top of every last little thing.

I do feel that that particular thread was worthwhile, however, and far from being flamebait or a troll. There have been some terse exchanges, but I've tried to be conciliatory, and other times constructive. I refrained from getting into another brouhaha with the nation formerly known as Iakeokeo, and offered hope for disenfranchised American voters in the form of emigration.

I write this in hopes that Cogitation or the rest of the Mods will see fit to remove the ilock. Thank you.

DT.

I do feel that that particular thread was worthwhile, however, and far from being flamebait or a troll. There have been some terse exchanges, but I've tried to be conciliatory, and other times constructive. I refrained from getting into another brouhaha with the nation formerly known as Iakeokeo, and offered hope for disenfranchised American voters in the form of emigration.


You might want to provide a link to your thread so others here can see it, but I read it ...

I think your claim to be aware of the fact that Americans are very upset right now suggests that your post was in fact flamebaiting. Afterall, why would Americans be upset if they are happy with the outcome???

If you really were "aware" of the poor timing of your post, then you wouldn't have implied that all Americans agree with the opinions and/or outcome of the election and thus should be treated as such.

But let me ask you this ... how is your statement and thread constructive / worthwhile? Many people pointed out that nearly half of the voting Americans did not vote for Bush. Furthermore, some of those who did, may easily not agree with everything he has or will do.

You might want to provide a link to your thread so others here can see it, but I read it ...

I think your claim to be aware of the fact that Americans are very upset right now suggests that your post was in fact flamebaiting. Afterall, why would Americans be upset if they are happy with the outcome???

If you really were "aware" of the poor timing of your post, then you wouldn't have implied that all Americans agree with the opinions and/or outcome of the election and thus should be treated as such.

But let me ask you this ... how is your statement and thread constructive / worthwhile? Many people pointed out that nearly half of the voting Americans did not vote for Bush. Furthermore, some of those who did, may easily not agree with everything he has or will do.

Firstly, apologies for not providing a link. This was not intended to make Mods search for the thread, I am just not used to providing links for things, and so did not think to provide one here.

Americans have every right to be upset with the outcome of their election. More galling than that must be the Republican response that, now that that the election is over, stop your whining and support your commander-in-chief. The man represents only half the people.

I was hoping to elicit a response from people to the effect that regardless what the vocal neocons have to say, that their point of view is being muzzled. I made, or so I thought, the attempt to refrain from excessive undue antagonism, and dealt with Iakeokeo/Hurhurhur in what I would describe as a gentlemanly manner.I was delgihted to suggest that Democratically-minded voters may find themselves at home in Canada, which I definitely considered constructive and worthwhile.

If you decide not to remove the ilock, I will respect your decision, but I will also continue to try to engage people in politically-based discourse.

Thank you for your attention.

I was hoping to elicit a response from people to the effect that regardless what the vocal neocons have to say, that their point of view is being muzzled. I made, or so I thought, the attempt to refrain from excessive undue antagonism, and dealt with Iakeokeo/Hurhurhur in what I would describe as a gentlemanly manner.

First, if you are going to apologize for not providing a link, why don't you also do something about it ... and provide the link? Without correcting the problem, you've managed to completely convince me that my earlier opinion that you are in fact flamebaiting is valid.

Here is the link (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=370736).

Now, your comments in that thread are not IMHO an attempt to elicit a response in a "constructive" or "worthwhile" manner as you've suggested:


I used to get very angry with America, and always had to remind myself not to vent at Americans, but instead at their administration. Now that the dust has settled, I can now hold my head high and disparage American voters for the transgressions of their elected officials.


The part some people have taken objection to in this thread, that later compared Americans to Nazi Germany (via Gigatron's post -- see the thread) is the idea that those that voted against Bush support or deserve whatever may come.

That is a gross and unfair generalization. There is nothing constructive or worthwhile in a prejudgement like that ... and this is why I agree with those who have labeled the thread nothing but flamebaiting.

You've done nothing to dispell this generalization ... in fact, I feel you've promoted the generalization, and I think that is why it is fair to call you a troll.