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I have launched this thread to invite in advance NS Moderation oversight in the hopes of thwarting a potential rule-breaking situation.

For several days now the region's delegate The Armed Republic of Igoris has been inactive. Subject to verification, he was installed by non-native nations identified with the region NAZI EUROPE.

Meanwhile another outside group, The MT Army, has been trying to overcome the delegate's numerical majority with its own delegate, Baka jin. A grudge match of sorts has ensued with telegram posts bordering ever so close to flaming various nations.

As a nation which recently completed a successful thwarting of an invasion and helped restore a region to its natives (see the region "Oklahoma") I thought it might be possible that if bonafide natives of the region could assert themselves then both groups (The professed nazis and the MT Army) could cease their claims on the region and afford it peace and tranquility.

It is hoped that this thread can advance this matter in the heretofore mentioned way. I envision that those skilled in posting XML screens of the region can post their findings here in this thread to determine which nations are truly native and whom are not.

Despite being claimed as an ally by NAZI EUROPE, its founder is deat and the region's World Factbook Entry fails to note such an alliance. Likewise the MT Army appears to already be acknowledging that the region is not Nazi-allied and therefore has begun to cease its anti-nazi mission there.

As NS Moderation can verify, nations of both persuasions and the regions The MT Army and NAZI EUROPE have seen numerous nations identified to those respective regions be cited for NS rule violations in the conduct of their business / gameplay.

I hope that by notifying NS Moderation in advance this might afford the region's natives to truly assert themselves and forestall wanton breaking of NS game rules.

Please -- all nations with an interest in this matter please post your comments here in this thread. Especially sought are those that can assert through definitive proof (via XML screens for which I am having trouble accessing) just which nations have been present in the region over the course of the last few months before the current hostilities.

Finally it needs to be noted that as much as I feel my aspirations are noble, my nation is NOT a native of The Lands of the Horde region. Instead my nation is a native of a happy and reclaimed-from-invaders region Oklahoma -- and I wish to extend such good fortune through this diplomatic mission.

um look at the region hes been del for well over 100 days

i made this one this morning (local time)

<REGIONINFO>
<NAME>The Lands of the Horde</NAME>
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<FACTBOOK>
The region of the Horde is a vast region, covering many thousands of miles in various harsh climates. the southwestern part of the region is a volcanic area, filled with nomadic Orks, burning everything that WILL burn, and breaking everything else. The norther region is a frozen wasteland, largely deserted, exept for small clans of fueding war tribes. the only inhabitable part of the region, is the eastern plains and coastline, where the conditions are harsh, but survivable.
</FACTBOOK>
<NUMNATIONS>44</NUMNATIONS>
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<NATIONS>
igoris:soul_ash:emporer_ed:lathania:tagora:
farnangual:rougilia:hostile_territory:rule_brittanica:the_gold_bough:
baka_jin:cracked_deeply2:hindenberg:north-territories:majistan:
almighty_blashyrk:english_nazis:aryan_lawn_jockeys:janislovia:blahzick:
r_e_lee:captain_nazi:nationalsozialismus:sanmyaku:axis_of_the_panzer88:
matlachistani_goodness:shezowmoo:the_loyal_aryans:heiling_hitler:aryan_smurfs:
aryan_socialist:germania_inferior:knights_ku_klux_klan:west_micstarius
:a_dead_cat:the_vaxintoriancitadel:i_h8_spam:nazi_sturmabteilung:
rasist_terror:edbekistan:will_rogers_turnpike:faxlandu:the_last_supper:
bolg_-_arya
</NATIONS>
<DELEGATE>igoris</DELEGATE>
<DELEGATEVOTES>20</DELEGATEVOTES>
<FOUNDER>the_satanic_horde</FOUNDER>
</REGIONINFO>

Good posts UWF and Crazy Girl -- Thanks

So we know that the region's founder has been deat for practically an eternity in NS :P

I can see already that both groups of nations (from NAZI EUROPE et al and The MT Army et al) have lodged incorrect assumptions to support their presence in the region.

It would be great to see posted some older XML screens of the region here

Igoris is the native delegate; he was elected over 100 days ago, long before the invasion began. I'm not sure why he's been inactive recently...
It seems like it should be simple enough for all invaders to withdraw. If this happens, we will be perfectly happy. Though they have voiced a retraction of the attack, however, thry have not yet departed.
I'll be happy to reply to any questions anyone has about the region before the invasion, or our wishes.
-The Vaxintorians (tLotH native)

I'm sorry, but your request is unclear.

Complaints of abusive telegrams should be filed to the Getting Help page (you can find a link in the FAQ page).

Invasion rules state that any invader-imposed password must be distributed to all natives in the region, that natives not be mass-ejected (less than 10% of natives is usually safe), and that ejected natives may not be kept on the banlist. Your region has no password and no nations are banned. Thus, the invasion rules have not been broken.

I have launched this thread to invite in advance NS Moderation oversight in the hopes of thwarting a potential rule-breaking situation.
While we can keep an eye on things, if rules haven't been broken yet, then I'm generally not inclined to do anything. Other Moderators might have a different attitude on the matter.

...I thought it might be possible that if bonafide natives of the region could assert themselves then both groups (The professed nazis and the MT Army) could cease their claims on the region and afford it peace and tranquility.
As long as rules have not been broken, this is not a matter that concerns NationStates Moderators.

As NS Moderation can verify, nations of both persuasions and the regions The MT Army and NAZI EUROPE have seen numerous nations identified to those respective regions be cited for NS rule violations in the conduct of their business / gameplay.
You seem to be talking about their past conduct; what's the relevance to the present incident? Are they breaking rules now? If so, then which ones?

I hope that by notifying NS Moderation in advance this might afford the region's natives to truly assert themselves and forestall wanton breaking of NS game rules.
Precisely what rulebreaking do you anticipate?

Your concern and goodwill are noted, but if no rulebreaking has occured, yet, then I don't think that there's anything for us Mods to do; this isn't our concern. If rules get broken later on, then post in this thread again.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

For several days now the region's delegate The Armed Republic of Igoris has been inactive. Subject to verification, he was installed by non-native nations identified with the region NAZI EUROPE.


Igoris is actually a native of the region, and he was our first UN Delegate. As he has not logged in, I do not think he knows exactly what all has transpired since. For the record before the invasion took place, he had my endorsement for UN Delegate. I even kept my endoresment through the first part of the invasion, hoping that he would log in and correct the situation (pass-word protect the region). He still has not logged in at this time. I for one would like both the Nazi groups and the MT army to leave the region. The MT army, the orginal invading group, has expressed to me their willingness to do so. Meanwhile the Nazi's, who say they are our allies, seem to want to hold out till they are the only group left in the region. I sincerely do not know why, and whether they have the best interest of us natives in mind, or whether they want regional control.

I am a native of the region. The veracity of my assertion that Edbekistan is a native has come into question. I will admit that I did leave the region for a short time during the conflict as I was tired of seeing my region turned into a battleground for what I viewed at the time as two unrelated groups finding a place to carry out their own war. I have a non-UN puppet nation, Emporer Ed, that stayed in the region throughout the conflict. I welcome verification of this by the moderators or anyone else as it will show that I have been active in this region and have logged in over the past several months. This issue has come up because it has been suggested that I be made the UN Delegate, and one group disagreed and then questioned whether or not I was really a native.

This brings me to a proposal for a solution. While I have had and have been endorsed by some as the delegate, I want what is best for the Lands of the Horde. So, since some doubt my assertion that I am a native of the region, I propose that the bulk of all non-native groups withdraw from the Lands of the Horde, and I give my endorsement back to Igoris, and let Igoris remain UN Delegate. Then when Igoris wakes up let the Natives of the Lands of the Horde decide what they want done about the situation. I would welcome all the parties involved (Nazi's, MT army, and the Lands of the Horde) to name an observer to stay in the region and make sure that this is carried out. These observers could then report back to their respective leaders that I and all groups have followed this agreement. I would nominate Will Rogers Turnpike to be the representive of the Lands of the Horde. I welcome further suggestions for solutions.

Emperor Ed I of the Holy Wanderers of Edbekistan

Igoris is actually a native of the region, and he was our first UN Delegate. As he has not logged in, I do not think he knows exactly what all has transpired since. For the record before the invasion took place, he had my endorsement for UN Delegate. I even kept my endoresment through the first part of the invasion, hoping that he would log in and correct the situation (pass-word protect the region). He still has not logged in at this time. I for one would like both the Nazi groups and the MT army to leave the region. The MT army, the orginal invading group, has expressed to me their willingness to do so. Meanwhile the Nazi's, who say they are our allies, seem to want to hold out till they are the only group left in the region. I sincerely do not know why, and whether they have the best interest of us natives in mind, or whether they want regional control.

I am a native of the region. The veracity of my assertion that Edbekistan is a native has come into question. I will admit that I did leave the region for a short time during the conflict as I was tired of seeing my region turned into a battleground for what I viewed at the time as two unrelated groups finding a place to carry out their own war. I have a non-UN puppet nation, Emporer Ed, that stayed in the region throughout the conflict. I welcome verification of this by the moderators or anyone else as it will show that I have been active in this region and have logged in over the past several months. This issue has come up because it has been suggested that I be made the UN Delegate, and one group disagreed and then questioned whether or not I was really a native.

This brings me to a proposal for a solution. While I have had and have been endorsed by some as the delegate, I want what is best for the Lands of the Horde. So, since some doubt my assertion that I am a native of the region, I propose that the bulk of all non-native groups withdraw from the Lands of the Horde, and I give my endorsement back to Igoris, and let Igoris remain UN Delegate. Then when Igoris wakes up let the Natives of the Lands of the Horde decide what they want done about the situation. I would welcome all the parties involved (Nazi's, MT army, and the Lands of the Horde) to name an observer to stay in the region and make sure that this is carried out. These observers could then report back to their respective leaders that I and all groups have followed this agreement. I would nominate Will Rogers Turnpike to be the representive of the Lands of the Horde. (highlight of this sentence my emphasis) I welcome further suggestions for solutions.

Emperor Ed I of the Holy Wanderers of Edbekistan

I will stay on in the region in whatever capacity the core natives of the region request me to do so. I feel honored to be considered of help.

Originally Posted by Will Rogers Turnpike
As NS Moderation can verify, nations of both persuasions and the regions The MT Army and NAZI EUROPE have seen numerous nations identified to those respective regions be cited for NS rule violations in the conduct of their business / gameplay.

You seem to be talking about their past conduct; what's the relevance to the present incident? Are they breaking rules now? If so, then which ones?

No rules now have been apparently broken. But as noted both groups of nations (NAZI EUROPE et al and The MT Army et al) have been recorded in the past to have broken them. Seeing this and the siege between them going on I have entered this picture thinking of the negative fallout onto the region's natives. As it has been heretofore stated, the natives want both groups out of the region.

Thanks for your posts Cog -- I apologize for my initial lack of clarity when launching this thread. Yet I think I have achieved its core intention -- to alert NS Moderation in advance of a potentially explosive situation and to afford the region's core natives to assert their birthright.

The MT army, the orginal invading group, has expressed to me their willingness to do so. Meanwhile the Nazi's, who say they are our allies, seem to want to hold out till they are the only group left in the region. I sincerely do not know why, and whether they have the best interest of us natives in mind, or whether they want regional control.

nazi europe has fought the mt army sience its creation. we know they cant be trusted. so when they pretend to leave and tell people to endorse some one a del we get to wondering wtf is going on. we can not leave the region until the current del wakes up

nazi europe has fought the mt army (since) its creation. (W)e know they cant be trusted. so when they pretend to leave and tell people to endorse some one (for) a (delegate) we get to wondering wtf is going on. we can not leave the region until the current del(egate) wakes up


FYI the delegate the MT Army leader Baka jin urged its members to endorse no longer has UN standing.

Your post UWF verifies the need for native nations to reassert themselves.
I think (and hope) that 24 hours from now we will begin to see a re-assertion of native sovereignty not seen since before the entry of both warring factions (NAZI EUROPE et al and The MT Army et al).

Please trust that by creation of this thread and verification of The Lands of the Horde's natives that the outcome will leave the natives here the ultimate "victors".

tloth=korea
the mt army=sovites
nazi=usa

Thanks for your posts Cog -- I apologize for my initial lack of clarity when launching this thread. Yet I think I have achieved its core intention -- to alert NS Moderation in advance of a potentially explosive situation and to afford the region's core natives to assert their birthright.


[color=blue]On section in blue: Duly noted. If I have time, then I'll look in on this situation from time-to-time. I've been busy, recently, though, so I can't make any guarantees. I also cannot guarantee that any of the other Moderators will keep an eye on this as they also tend to be busy. Just remember that we really can't do anything, anyway, unless someone starts breaking rules; file a "Getting Help" request if rulebreaking does occur. You can also post here, but we prefer that you use the "Getting Help" page.

On section in red: Again, this is not the concern of NationStates Moderation; a thread dedicated to this belongs in the "Gameplay" forum.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

The Native delegate has finally awakened, he is clearing up the situation.

The Native delegate has finally awakened, he is clearing up the situation.

Yet I am concerned about his charge that another nation hacked into his own.

just hear me out for 1 second... i am leader of igoris and i am leaving right after this message... i am sorry for what has happended many of the natives of my land have left on recruting missions and the man who spoke against the NAZIS was a man that illegally logged onto my NAtion and his nation is TAGORA... i am ejecting him right now.. i am very sorry... i have been flustered lately i have had much work.... i hope you can accept this apol;ogy but i do not expect it my actions where out of order...
ENTARO ADUN! -Exacutor.....

I do not know if Igoris has formally filed a complaint via "Getting Help". My nation and I suspect several others have urged him to file such a complaint. To discern his comments in NE's Civil HQ though, it is serious enough that he has ejected the fifth oldest nation in the region!

Before I totally wash my hands of this situation, I wish to post this particularly insightful comment that was posted in the LOTH Civil Headquarters by one of NationStates' master analysts, Ubedarn. I concur fully with his comments (and will pass them on directly to "Getting Help"/NS Moderation):

Just a parting thought,

Igoris and Tagora were both inactive for over 5 days,they're both UN.Igoris claimed Tagora "hacked" his nation and posted as him.If that's the case,the mods will see two UN nations logging on with one IP and we know what that means.
Have a nice day.

Thanks to the NS Moderators for dealing with the griefing that occurred in the past 24 hours.

I am reposting The LOTH's World Factbook Entry here to encourage its natives to return and reclaim their region.

The Lands of the Horde

World Factbook Entry: The region of the Horde is a vast region, covering many thousands of miles in various harsh climates. the southwestern part of the region is a volcanic area, filled with nomadic Orks, burning everything that WILL burn, and breaking everything else. The norther region is a frozen wasteland, largely deserted, exept for small clans of fueding war tribes. the only inhabitable part of the region, is the eastern plains and coastline, where the conditions are harsh, but survivable.

i made this one this morning (local time) 27-10-2004, 4:51 PM * #3
Quote:
<REGIONINFO>
<NAME>The Lands of the Horde</NAME>
-
<FACTBOOK>
The region of the Horde is a vast region, covering many thousands of miles in various harsh climates. the southwestern part of the region is a volcanic area, filled with nomadic Orks, burning everything that WILL burn, and breaking everything else. The norther region is a frozen wasteland, largely deserted, exept for small clans of fueding war tribes. the only inhabitable part of the region, is the eastern plains and coastline, where the conditions are harsh, but survivable.
</FACTBOOK>
<NUMNATIONS>44</NUMNATIONS>
-
<NATIONS>
igoris:soul_ash:emporer_ed:lathania:tagora:
farnangual:rougilia:hostile_territory:rule_brittanica:the_gold_bough:
baka_jin:cracked_deeply2:hindenberg:north-territories:majistan:
almighty_blashyrk:english_nazis:aryan_lawn_jockeys:janislovia:blahzick:
r_e_lee:captain_nazi:nationalsozialismus:sanmyaku:axis_of_the_panzer88:
matlachistani_goodness:shezowmoo:the_loyal_aryans:heiling_hitler:aryan_smurfs:
aryan_socialist:germania_inferior:knights_ku_klux_klan:west_micstarius
:a_dead_cat:the_vaxintoriancitadel:i_h8_spam:nazi_sturmabteilung:
rasist_terror:edbekistan:will_rogers_turnpike:faxlandu:the_last_supper:
bolg_-_arya
</NATIONS>
<DELEGATE>igoris</DELEGATE>
<DELEGATEVOTES>20</DELEGATEVOTES>
<FOUNDER>the_satanic_horde</FOUNDER>
</REGIONINFO>

I am reposting this information to let NS Moderation know that I am most mindful of the situation here as the region's latest UN delegate.

The ideal situation would be for one of the LOTH's oldest nations with UN status (either Igoris, Tagora or Emporer Ed for example) please return and the defenders endorsing me and I will endorse the native nation as the next delegate.

From my reading of the XML screen first posted by Crazy Girl, I have determined that the following nations (who are still living) are LOTH natives:

Igoris
Soul Ash
Emporer Ed (Edbekistan as previously noted in this thread is also his nation)
Tagora
Rougilia
Hostile Territory

(Additionally, two nations known to be natives have ceased to exist -- Lathania and Farnangual).

From what I understand of NS rules, any nations that have been identified with invaders and / or other regions are not considered natives -- even if they have been in the region for several days or weeks. If this understanding is not correct, please set me straight.

Taking this into account, the nations that follow the nation Hostile Territory are ones that have been identified as either being one of the following --

1) nations allied with The MT Army et al
2) nations allied with NAZI EUROPE et al
(including at least two nations from Idaho)
3) nations allied with Pacific Defenders (my endorsers plus my non-UN nation Will Rogers Turnpike)
4) nations allied with The URAP (which I know for certain share the desire to return the natives regardless of any past alliance with the region's now deat founder)
5) One nation (The Sadistic Horde) claiming to be the original founder.

Please advise whether it is permissible to eject any remaining partisans from The MT Army / NAZI EUROPE conflict in order to more fully restore nativity. I have already ejected two nations (Vencedores and Ze-Games) that were endorsers of the now-deat Nazi Brasil.

Once again I welcome NS Moderation oversight of my actions.
Any moves to more fully secure the region (like enacting password protection) will be fully appraised with the LOTH's known natives plus The URAP nations and NS Moderation.

Brad
The Island of Orleans
Pacific Defenders

Regional Happenings

* 6 minutes ago: The Chat residue of my roadbed of Will Rogers Turnpike departed this region for Pacific Defenders
* 7 minutes ago: The Holy Subserviant Wanderers of Emporer Ed departed this region for Faulkner Island
* 11 minutes ago: The CDM Coffee Drinking Emir of The Island of Orleans departed this region for Chicago
* 13 minutes ago: The CDM Coffee Drinking Emir of The Island of Orleans removed regional password protection.
* 13 minutes ago: The CDM Coffee Drinking Emir of The Island of Orleans updated the World Factbook entry.
* 22 minutes ago: The Dominion of The Satanic Horde departed this region for Lazarus

What a nice outcome! The Satanic Horde coming back to life!
What a nice resolution!