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As the moderation on this board is controlled by liberals it has created a bias against other ideas. These Moderators are favoring democratic beliefs. As Nation States is a forum for political thinking, I believe we should have the right to vote for who we want managing our posts.

This site ain't a democracy. Deal with it.

interesting point, to bad this isnt a democracy

This site ain't a democracy. Deal with it.

What he said :cool:

These Moderators are favoring democratic beliefs. As Nation States is a forum for political thinking, I believe we should have the right to vote for who we want managing our posts.

So, in order to get away from the pro-democratic bias that you perceive in the moderators, we should hold democratic elections?

Umm...yeah, Sukafitz dude, I can see that these extreme "liberals" are really censoring your beliefs and stuff...like right now, for instance.

This site ain't a democracy. Deal with it.
damn you beat me to it

Dumb question......who are the moderators?

Poll after poll shows that us who lean ever so slightly to the left outnumber those who lean right on this forum, so likely nothing would change...except maybe one of the rabid lefties would become a mod.

You are, of course, free to start your own site and run it any way you like... and we won't even tell you who you should choose to help administer it or how to run it! ;)

Poll after poll shows that us who lean ever so slightly to the left outnumber those who lean right on this forum, so likely nothing would change...except maybe one of the rabid lefties would become a mod.

Oooh pick me! :D

j/k

When your moderators are using quotes such as Stephistan's "525 Reasons To Dump Bush" it suggests the idea that Nation States is a Liberal Forum. My idea isn't against you Democratic Voters, it is an idea for the logic of bringing in several different beliefs. Without oppossing wills there are no critical discussions.

Dumb question......who are the moderators?
the people who try to keep order here, they have magic powers, they can do all sorts of magical things like deating

When your moderators are using quotes such as Stephistan's "525 Reasons To Dump Bush" it suggests the idea that Nation States is a Liberal Forum. My idea isn't against you Democratic Voters, it is an idea for the logic of bringing in several different beliefs. Without oppossing wills there are no critical discussions.

I agree. More oppossing! Or opossums ... :rolleyes:

When your moderators are using quotes such as Stephistan's "525 Reasons To Dump Bush" it suggests the idea that Nation States is a Liberal Forum. My idea isn't against you Democratic Voters, it is an idea for the logic of bringing in several different beliefs. Without oppossing wills there are no critical discussions.

Tell ya what, when you start paying to play Nationstates and the moderators start getting paid to mod the game, then you can bitch about us not being allowed to play the game and have our own opinions. Until then... :rolleyes:

When your moderators are using quotes such as Stephistan's "525 Reasons To Dump Bush" it suggests the idea that Nation States is a Liberal Forum. ... Without oppossing wills there are no critical discussions.


So how about a couple of examples of moderators stifling critical discussion due to the 'liberal' bias that you perceive?

When your moderators are using quotes such as Stephistan's "525 Reasons To Dump Bush" it suggests the idea that Nation States is a Liberal Forum. My idea isn't against you Democratic Voters, it is an idea for the logic of bringing in several different beliefs. Without oppossing wills there are no critical discussions.
and to think he isnt even her president

Poll after poll shows that us who lean ever so slightly to the left outnumber those who lean right on this forum, so likely nothing would change...except maybe one of the rabid lefties would become a mod.


MKULTRA for Mod!!!!!

When your moderators are using quotes such as Stephistan's "525 Reasons To Dump Bush" it suggests the idea that Nation States is a Liberal Forum. My idea isn't against you Democratic Voters, it is an idea for the logic of bringing in several different beliefs. Without oppossing wills there are no critical discussions.

Oh you mean Democratic, not just democratic. Here I was thinking you were some sort of fascist. :p

But you really don't need right-wing moderators to have critical discussions...It makes no difference. You aren't being censored for your views.

(Besides, Hack is a right-winger, right?)

When your moderators are using quotes such as Stephistan's "525 Reasons To Dump Bush" it suggests the idea that Nation States is a Liberal Forum. My idea isn't against you Democratic Voters, it is an idea for the logic of bringing in several different beliefs. Without oppossing wills there are no critical discussions.

Do they keep you from posting what you want? Do they discourage even fairly radical right-wing beliefs?

How come a right-winger can have a problem with political bias in an internet forum, but has no problem with a big 10 Commandments statue in a courthouse where people of all faiths are tried?

When your moderators are using quotes such as Stephistan's "525 Reasons To Dump Bush" it suggests the idea that Nation States is a Liberal Forum. My idea isn't against you Democratic Voters, it is an idea for the logic of bringing in several different beliefs. Without oppossing wills there are no critical discussions.

So? Certainly you are not suggesting that people cannot disagree with Steph's views? (Many players, and indeed several mods, do. Quite vehemently, at times. ;))

We are still members of the NationStates community; we still have as much right to an opinion as anyone else. If you disagree, fine. Support your evidence. Disagreeing certainly is not grounds for ban or deletion (hint, it's the WAY in which some posters disagree that get them into trouble.)

and to think he isnt even her president

I think I've missed the relevance of this remark -- please explain.

Tell ya what, when you start paying to play Nationstates and the moderators start getting paid to mod the game, then you can bitch about us not being allowed to play the game and have our own opinions. Until then... :rolleyes:

In case any one missed it...

MKULTRA for Mod!!!!!

eeep
*hides*

Moderators get picked because of their ability to try to be fair and handle things … not to those that are “favorites”

They got the job because they can do the job correctly.

You let people pick , it will just be a popularity contest (unlike real politics right? [/sarcasm])

I think I've missed the relevance of this remark -- please explain.
no point, just random observation

So how about a couple of examples of moderators stifling critical discussion due to the 'liberal' bias that you perceive?
Please don't ask for proof, arguing with anecdotal evidence and assumptions is so much more fun.

eeep
*hides*


*Runs and hides behind you

Under the theory that he will eat you first of course

doesnt this belong on the nationstates2 forum? when you are PAYING for the site, maybe then it would make sense to have a say in who moderates it. im sure it deserves discussion at least. (for all i know its been discussed to death there already)

the moderators MODERATE, they dont run the discussion. their political opinions hold no more weight than yours do (except that they are generally well thought out and well written and lack that element of flame)

ive never seen a thread locked because of the moderators politics. (there are some very extreme ones that get locked. while that reflect any rational persons politics, i assume its site policy rather that repugnance that gets it locked)

if people like stephistan WERENT moderators they would still post the same anti bush stuff they do now. and they would still mop the floor with you.

Please don't ask for proof, arguing with anecdotal evidence and assumptions is so much more fun.


But I know it is true … cause I have like seen it and stuff
I don’t remember what thread it was of course but I um … its out there

Please don't ask for proof, arguing with anecdotal evidence and assumptions is so much more fun.

You know, that's funny, because that is exactly what the Pope said to me just the other day when we were out hunting Tigers in the leafy surroundings of Captain Nemo's private estate.

As the moderation on this board is controlled by liberals it has created a bias against other ideas. These Moderators are favoring democratic beliefs. As Nation States is a forum for political thinking, I believe we should have the right to vote for who we want managing our posts.

Have you gone completely bonkers?

Why is anyone viewing my post as a threat. Many of you want to encourage this topic into another left-wing/right-wing argument. I wouldn't want this board to be dominated by either.

Have you gone completely bonkers?
Bonkers like a fox

Oh wait I think I got that wrong

But I know it is true … cause I have like seen it and stuff
I don’t remember what thread it was of course but I um … its out there


LOL

I feel that most of the mods here do as good a job as anyone could of surpressing their own beliefs when it comes down to it, and with very little appreciation. Hence Im thanking them right here for their time, even when I disagree with them I havnt been cencored, warned or deated yet so I cant complain

Quality above some silly popular nations, I am against this.

Bonkers like a fox

Oh wait I think I got that wrong
if your quoting Homer and I think your trying to its;
"stupid like a fox!"

Why is anyone viewing my post as a threat. Many of you want to encourage this topic into another left-wing/right-wing argument. I wouldn't want this board to be dominated by either.

Just for the record.. we have liberal mods, we have conservative mods, we have centrist mods, we even have our very own socialist mod. I tend to like General and political discussion, and yes, I am a liberal, so perhaps you see me post in General more then most of the mods and it has given you this false impression. Or, maybe since you've been a member for less then a month, you just haven't figured that out yet!

Why is anyone viewing my post as a threat.

Well, as best I understand it, this website is run on the basis of 'one man, one vote'.*






* That man seems to be Max Barry.

I feel that most of the mods here do as good a job as anyone could of surpressing their own beliefs when it comes down to it, and with very little appreciation. Hence Im thanking them right here for their time
I second thus for stated proposition to thank!

Hell I even tend to lean a little right (just a little) GASP and I still think they are doin an awesome job (specially because it is IMPOSSIBLE to COMPLETELY overcome personal bias) but they have done a damn fine job of getting as close as they can!

Gets off soap box and runs and hides behind Findecano Calaelen again

I feel that most of the mods here do as good a job as anyone could of surpressing their own beliefs when it comes down to it, and with very little appreciation. Hence Im thanking them right here for their time

Buttkisser :p j/k

Why is anyone viewing my post as a threat. Many of you want to encourage this topic into another left-wing/right-wing argument. I wouldn't want this board to be dominated by either.

I certainly don't view it as a threat. But I have seen this topic brought up ad nauseum since I have been a member of the forums. The truth of the matter is that Max, [violet], and the other mods select new mods. If you would like to see the criteria, check out the sticky in moderation on how to become a moderator.

You did, I am afraid, encourage the left-wing/right-wing argument when you singled out Steph's beliefs and said in general the moderators were too liberal. That's set the tone for the rest of this discussion.

Well, as best I understand it, this website is run on the basis of 'one man, one vote'.*






* That man seems to be Max Barry.
LOL

if your quoting Homer and I think your trying to its;
"stupid like a fox!"


I know but I have to work in bonkers because of my quoted post :-D I love simpsons

Well, as best I understand it, this website is run on the basis of 'one man, one vote'.*






* That man seems to be Max Barry.


Like the Patrician, he's the man, and he's got the vote. :p

I think having high quality mods is better than having popular mods.

Sometimes mods have to make unpopular decisions for the good of the site. If they relied upon their popularity to stay mods then they wouldn't be able to make these unpopular decisions.

...
That's set the tone for the rest of this discussion.

tone?

C sharp please :-D

tone?

C sharp please :-D

And to think I discarded tenor.... ;)

Do they keep you from posting what you want? Do they discourage even fairly radical right-wing beliefs?

How come a right-winger can have a problem with political bias in an internet forum, but has no problem with a big 10 Commandments statue in a courthouse where people of all faiths are tried?

Tell ya what, when you start paying to play Nationstates and the moderators start getting paid to mod the game, then you can bitch about us not being allowed to play the game and have our own opinions. Until then... :rolleyes:

Yes, I've had several discouraging retorts from Moderators, not all from Stephistan. Instead of being told to just accept the bias, I would rather have an interest of posts that is free from it. That bias on this forum has persuaded this topic into a liberal/conservative argument when it was never meant to be a pro-conservative view.

How come a right-winger can have a problem with political bias in an internet forum, but has no problem with a big 10 Commandments statue in a courthouse where people of all faiths are tried?
Not everone on the right is a religious authoritarian, you know.

Yes, I've had several discouraging retorts from Moderators, not all from Stephistan. Instead of being told to just accept the bias, I would rather have an interest of posts that is free from it. That bias on this forum has persuaded this topic into a liberal/conservative argument when it was never meant to be a pro-conservative view.

Look, if you really think there should be a balanced argument in a topic that you happen to agree with, why don't you create a puppet and play devils advocate? :)

Buttkisser :p j/k
I thought I should make up for that remark I made about Steph earlier in this thread ;)
in all seriousness they deserve some credit for doing this thankless job for nothing

Yes, I've had several discouraging retorts from Moderators, not all from Stephistan. Instead of being told to just accept the bias, I would rather have an interest of posts that is free from it. That bias on this forum has persuaded this topic into a liberal/conservative argument when it was never meant to be a pro-conservative view.


So there liberal bias caused this thread into a lib/conserve argument?

One doesn’t follow from the other sorry

I think it is just the natural human tendency to argue then actual bias that caused it to change (true it has change to one bias vs the other but it is the argument ‘gene’ that really caused it) hell if ya say it in the right way people will argue with anything! Lol

You know, that's funny, because that is exactly what the Pope said to me just the other day when we were out hunting Tigers in the leafy surroundings of Captain Nemo's private estate.
Well, as a good Catholic I learn from the best too.

Not everone on the right is a religious authoritarian, you know.

You don't have to be a religious authoritarian to work here, but it helps?

I thought I should make up for that remark I made about Steph earlier in this thread ;)
in all seriousness they deserve some credit for doing this thankless job for nothing

Yeah. But who knows, there could be privelages on the side. :D

Uh...thanks anyway, Mods.

Look, if you really think there should be a balanced argument in a topic that you happen to agree with, why don't you create a puppet and play devils advocate? :)


Ohhh arguing with myself! What I good idea!

So far all I do is talk to myself! But that mostly doesn’t get anything accomplished, just creeps people out

I think it is just the natural human tendency to argue then actual bias that caused it to change...


I think a simple solution would be to recognise that a lot of people come to the NS General forum purely so that they can argue.

Just for the record.. we have liberal mods, we have conservative mods, we have centrist mods, we even have our very own socialist mod. I tend to like General and political discussion, and yes, I am a liberal, so perhaps you see me post in General more then most of the mods and it has given you this false impression. Or, maybe since you've been a member for less then a month, you just haven't figured that out yet!

After you ban me this time for this post, it will have been my umpteenth time returning, I've been coming here for quite some time so this isn't coming out of nowhere. I've been banned for standing up against slurs - I used slurs against slurs yet I was singled out - more than once.

Ohhh arguing with myself! What I good idea!

So far all I do is talk to myself! But that mostly doesn’t get anything accomplished, just creeps people out

Haha. That would be funny especially if both of your nations got warned for flaming. :D

Look, if you really think there should be a balanced argument in a topic that you happen to agree with, why don't you create a puppet and play devils advocate? :)

Nah, bad idea, this is after all meant to be a platform for debate, not a Punch and Judy show.

Nah, bad idea, this is after all meant to be a platform for debate, not a Punch and Judy show.

You say that as if you have something against the long and noble tradition of Punch and Judy shows, eh?

Haha! :D:D:D

I think a simple solution would be to recognise that a lot of people come to the NS General forum purely so that they can argue.


No we don’t!

Haha. That would be funny especially if both of your nations got warned for flaming. :D


Yeah we both get a little impassioned when arguing

WAIT I mean I get a little impassioned when um arguing

No we don’t!

An argument isn't just contradiction.

An argument isn't just contradiction.
:-P
[monty python] yes it is! [/monty python] :-D hehehe why do you think I am in a region called Monty Python :-D hehehehe

After you ban me this time for this post, it will have been my umpteenth time returning, I've been coming here for quite some time so this isn't coming out of nowhere. I've been banned for standing up against slurs - I used slurs against slurs yet I was singled out - more than once.

Oh, I should of guessed, a repeat offender. Why yes, of course you think we are biased... you break rules, we delete you. Your argument makes much more sense now.. :rolleyes:

i think that no wn nation would ever be a mod if people voted
we have a better chance now and i see it happening by this time next year

Oh, I should of guessed, a repeat offender. Why yes, of course you think we are biased... you break rules, we delete you. Your argument makes much more sense now.. :rolleyes:
Maybe he is just a rebel without a cause!

Not everone on the right is a religious authoritarian, you know.

:rolleyes: I didn't say all of them were. Don't put words in my mouth.

Yes, I've had several discouraging retorts from Moderators, not all from Stephistan. Instead of being told to just accept the bias, I would rather have an interest of posts that is free from it. That bias on this forum has persuaded this topic into a liberal/conservative argument when it was never meant to be a pro-conservative view.

Have they taken any official action against your posts, or are they merely expressing their opinions? A moderators words have no more power than yours or mine. It is the actions like issuing warnings, deleting threads and whatnot that could be taken as a sign of bias.

In the interests of full disclosure, let me add that I myself have been officially warned with a forumban (for my tongue in cheek baby recipe thread, though I can understand why some were disgusted. I have a high tolerance for poor taste :D.)

As Nation States is a forum for political thinking

Nation States is a forum for political thinking? I thought it was a GAME.

Sill of me.

Nation States is a forum for political thinking? I thought it was a GAME.

Silly of me.

Well, I see the political here often, but not nearly enough thinking. Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

(turns into uncontrollable sobbing)

As the moderation on this board is controlled by liberals it has created a bias against other ideas.


When your moderators are using quotes such as Stephistan's "525 Reasons To Dump Bush" it suggests the idea that Nation States is a Liberal Forum..


We are merely responding to the parameters you yourself set when you began the thread. Surely you are not upset about that?

I want this thread locked!! There shall be no dissent in the Happy Valley of the Nation States forum!!! :rolleyes:

I'm confused. If there's such a horrible liberal bias on these forums, wouldn't electing mods just result in more liberal mods?

I'm confused. If there's such a horrible liberal bias on these forums, wouldn't electing mods just result in more liberal mods?


I think that was in reference to the moderators chosen, not the total makeup of those who post here...

I think that was in reference to the moderators chosen, not the total makeup of those who post here...

No, it's commonly stated by certain conservatives that these forums are horribly liberal.

Did NOT read this entire thread, but...

MODs are selected on the basis of what they HAVE ALREADY DONE FOR Nationstates. They are selected (and/or promoted) based on a body of work done to help us all in one way or another.

After you ban me this time for this post, it will have been my umpteenth time returning, I've been coming here for quite some time so this isn't coming out of nowhere. I've been banned for standing up against slurs - I used slurs against slurs yet I was singled out - more than once.

Hmmmm... I suppose I should be amused. ;) Seems like you're trying to provoke a ban or deletion to prove your point... and it's not working.

Perhaps you should change your tactics regarding how you react to slurs, since they don't seem to be working for you...?

No, it's commonly stated by certain conservatives that these forums are horribly liberal.

That maybe true....but it least the democratic election of Mods would give them the air of legitimacy or some such nonsense :p

That maybe true....but it least the democratic election of Mods would give them the air of legitimacy or some such nonsense :p

Right. But now at least there's the chance that a conservative-leaning person will be chosen as a mod. If we had elections, you'd be screwed.

No, it's commonly stated by certain conservatives that these forums are horribly liberal.

Certain conservatives see life as horribly liberal.

As the moderation on this board is controlled by liberals it has created a bias against other ideas. These Moderators are favoring democratic beliefs. As Nation States is a forum for political thinking, I believe we should have the right to vote for who we want managing our posts.
grow the hell up and get used to the fact conservatives arnt always right and liberals arnt evil

i can imagine the people sukafitz would vote for. new mod: munkebrain>

This post has been deleted by MunkeBrain. Reason: Too liberal.

Right. But now at least there's the chance that a conservative-leaning person will be chosen as a mod. If we had elections, you'd be screwed.

If the perception is indeed true...

Conservative or Liberal has nothing to do with the selection of the mods.

It's the ability to handle fighting children, deal with angry children, and basically take a bunch of crap from many people who think they deserve more then they have.

The Mods are not paid.

The amount of time you have to put in for the "appriciation" you get back always makes me wonder why people want to do it.

The Mods should be picked. They are supposed to be authority figures and not your buddy.

Finally, the liberal thing? Let it go. If the board is liberal then it's because there are more liberal minded players.

The mods had nothing to do with it.

I can't remember who, but one of them said they tended to be conservative.

Just the ramblings of an ex-mod. ;)

It would be a benefit to have unbiased moderators who are neither liberal nor conservative. Unbiased individuals to referee several of your left-wing/right-wing arguments. It would help create better communication for this area by managing debates without the childish rantering of extremists.

Many people post interesting ideas here, but those are over-shadowed by personal bashing and nonconstructive debates. Currently the liberal thinkers posting for this topic have provided enough evidence for that argument.

I like this forum and I like the idea of Nation States. I would hope to see this board evolve beyond the liberal control that invites pro-democratic discussions and republican response; as it could certainly open the door for more people with other points of view.

It would be a benefit to have unbiased moderators who are neither liberal nor conservative. Unbiased individuals to referee several of your left-wing/right-wing arguments. It would help create better communication for this area by managing debates without the childish rantering of extremists.

Many people post interesting ideas here, but those are over-shadowed by personal bashing and nonconstructive debates. Currently the liberal thinkers posting for this topic have provided enough evidence for that argument.

I like this forum and I like the idea of Nation States. I would hope to see this board evolve beyond the liberal control that invites pro-democratic discussions and republican response; as it could certainly open the door for more people with other points of view.

Your continued accusations that liberals are the only ones at fault for "childish rantering of extremists" only go to show your own heavy conservative bias and makes a great statement towards the validity of your claims of a "liberal bias" in NationStates.

It would be a benefit to have unbiased moderators who are neither liberal nor conservative. Unbiased individuals to referee several of your left-wing/right-wing arguments. It would help create better communication for this area by managing debates without the childish rantering of extremists.

Many people post interesting ideas here, but those are over-shadowed by personal bashing and nonconstructive debates. Currently the liberal thinkers posting for this topic have provided enough evidence for that argument.

I like this forum and I like the idea of Nation States. I would hope to see this board evolve beyond the liberal control that invites pro-democratic discussions and republican response; as it could certainly open the door for more people with other points of view.


Yeah, right. Unbiased people. Because there are so many of those around.

Moving to moderation...

It's impossible to find a "completely unbiased" person. That person would have to be a tabula rasa, devoid of thought. I'll settle for having to disagree with someone's views but support their right to express them... so long as their right to express is not defaming or insulting another poster.

Your continued accusations that liberals are the only ones at fault for "childish rantering of extremists" only go to show your own heavy conservative bias and makes a great statement towards the validity of your claims of a "liberal bias" in NationStates.

Wrong. I haven't said that, as I'm not a conservative - I don't like George Bush - I don't like John Kerry - I also don't like Ralph Nader - none of them should be in this race. Simply because I'm speaking out against an environment that is dominated by liberals, you make the foolish argument that I must be a conservative.

Yeah, right. Unbiased people. Because there are so many of those around.
Im unbiased!

But wait am I

My right legs longer then the left

So I guess I am a left leaning person

Hmmmm guess not

And I'm just going to lock this.

This site is not a democracy and mods are appointed by Max Barry (sometimes through his representatives such as [violet]) to run this site as he sees fit. We have mods from all over the political spectrum, even when you do consider more than just a single axis. However, we do not allow that to effect the ways in which we moderate these forums or game. If you poke around enough I'm sure that you'll find threads accussing us of being too conservative.