NationStates Jolt Archive

Why is Scotsnations the founder of Scotland!?

He was endorsed by multis, he ejected a few natives who stood against him when he was delegate. And now he is being made founder? I would realy like the mod who handled this to explain why he made Scotsnations founder.

I was wondering about that. I just checked the region Scotland before coming here and wondered why people were complaining about an invasion when there is a founder there.

This was interesting :D

So now if you complain, the mods make you founder? How does this promote fairness in the game? I understand they are upset we invaded them. Who isnt when they get invaded? So AFTER he used multis and then gets in trouble, he complains and gets made founder? How is this fair? I am so confused as to how he gets made founder DURING an invasion. This is the second time its been done during an Invader invasion. Can the mod who handled this please tell me why he did this?

scotsnations used multis, but he's still in the un?

He was endorsed by them. I wasnt. I dont see how he gets to be founder. It would be different if I broke any rule. Or did anything without first getting mod permission, but this is crazy. I dont understand how he is made founder. Since its so "rare" and all. Maybe invaders should try it more often. "Hey! They outsmarted us and took over our region. We dont want this. Make us founder!" Really makes sense.... [sarcasm]

I am just appaled that this could even be a mod ruling. I really can't wait to hear the mods responce. I don't see how anyone is expected to invade if any region who is upset at being invaded says we dont like it and gets a founder.

Also, if this post gets knocked off the list, I am going to flip out. Please respond when you get the chance. I really deserve an explaination. I didn't break any rules.

I really doubt that the mods installed a founder just because someone complained. Thats not how it works really. (Unless someone got nutty in the Mod halls)

But I do know that Scotland has been invaded dussins of times during this year and it could be a reason to this happening.

See it like this, have you been ejected yet? I noticed the founder was active a while ago. Start complaining after that.

you did break a rule, and you just got lucky the mod who handled it gave you a break.

you did break a rule, and you just got lucky the mod who handled it gave you a break.

He did. How mean. What did he do :D

he left a native on the banlist..

Thats plain naughty. *shakes head*

Well lets see if an answer to this dilemma will appear. How come this founder arrived out of thin air.

I am very glad I was given a break. I did not know I left anyone on the list. I do however, think the reason for giving him the founder control is crazy. So now if there is a target, we are not allowed to invade it multiple times without them making a founder? I really wish a mod would explain how this rule works.

EDIT: also, which native did I leave on the banlist?

first:

Regional Happenings

* 16 minutes ago: The Grief of Scotsnations departed this region for The Rejected Realms
* 16 minutes ago: The Allied States of The Brave Heart ejected The Grief of Scotsnations from the region.
* 36 minutes ago: The Grief of Scotsnations arrived from The Rejected Realms.
* 64 minutes ago: The Ever-Roving Camel Raiders of Murtunia II arrived from Empire of Metrics.
* 65 minutes ago: The Allied States of The Brave Heart removed The Ever-Roving Camel Raiders of Murtunia II from the regional ban list.
* 3 hours ago: The Allied States of The Brave Heart removed The Grief of Scotsnations from the regional ban list.
* 3 hours ago: The Grief of Scotsnations departed this region for The Rejected Realms
* 3 hours ago: The Allied States of The Brave Heart ejected The Grief of Scotsnations from the region.
* 5 hours ago: The Federation of Shai Confucia departed this region for 0000 Middle Earth 0000
* 7 hours ago: The Fiefdom of Schrugenbargu departed this region for 0000 Middle Earth 0000

15 minutes ago The Allied States of The Brave Heart Fwa-ho there. Tricky bugger.No coming back until after update.

then, after i asked a mod to keep an eye on it:

4 minutes ago NationStates Moderators You'd better unban him NOW unless you want to be counted a griefer and slain where you stand.

The invasion rules current state that you MAY kick a native from the region, BUT you must unban them IMMEDIATELY. None of this "after the update" nonesense.


you get wise:

# 3 minutes ago: The Wrath of Scotsnations arrived from The Rejected Realms.
# 5 minutes ago: The Allied States of The Brave Heart removed The Wrath of Scotsnations from the regional ban list.
# 23 minutes ago: The Wrath of Scotsnations departed this region for The Rejected Realms
# 23 minutes ago: The Allied States of The Brave Heart ejected The Wrath of Scotsnations from the region.

4 minutes ago The Allied States of The Brave Heart As you wish, m'lord.

I apologize for this, but does this really give him the right to become founder? I don't think so. Mods, check my telegrams. See what some natives told me. If not, I can post it here. I did exactly what they asked though, which confuses me as to how that also has any relevance to him becoming founder. I know this was a mistake to try to wait until after the update, and I got right to that. I still dont see how that has anything to do with him becoming founder.

EDIT: Also, I was unbanning him immediatly alot before that. Then I was just trying to sleep without these : "liberations". I really am sorry about that, I was exausted and wasn't thinking. I won't do it again. But I was doing that before. Although leaving those times out suits your purpose better ;) .

Ami I just being ignored? Or is the mod still not on yet? I really would like to get this over with if you are on. I have to sleep eventually and I don't want tis topic deleted.

Also, heres the quote from the native:

In the region of Scotland, one of the moderators has given over founder status to Scotsnations, without any reference to the members of the Scottish region.
This has been in response to an invasion by Braveheart who gained the Delegate status. This nation has now been ejected from the region.
The reason for my concern is that Scotsnations has been part of a clique within the Scotland region, who have been consistently abusive, have arbiterily ejected those nations they have disagreed with and have generally ruled the region through abuse and bigotry.
Scotland has had a dynamic change of delegates in recent months, with those who have challenged the abuse and intolerant comments occasionally gaining the upper hand, though more frequently being the subject of abuse and intolerance.
I would ask that you reconsider the decision to appoint Scotsnations as Founder of the region. It is one thing that he tries for the role of delegate, it is another that he will be completely in charge and all that he disagrees with being subject to his whims.
In the past the Scotland region debated wether or not to have a founder, names were mentioned (none of them Scotsnations) but in the end it was agreed that the region would continue without a founder.

For the sake of fairness and to give those of us a chance who disagree with the approaches of Scotsnations and co., I would ask that you revert Scotland back to being a region without a founder.

Aye, i believe i reported multis, there were 20-21 of them, all had the exact same flag, all had the exact same Motto, all moved in at the same time, all had very similar names, and all endorsed Scotsnations. They have all moved to a different region (cant remember which).

Ami I just being ignored? Or is the mod still not on yet? I really would like to get this over with if you are on. I have to sleep eventually and I don't want tis topic deleted.
It's not going to get deleted. It may take some time for the mods to answer your question, but they've probably seen this already and are working on it. If you're patient, you'll probably get a quicker answer than if you keep bumping so often.

Thank you. I am sorry I keep bumping it, I just really want to be on when the mod replies so I can reply back. Hopefully a thank you. I will try not to bump it, but I will continue to post whatever info I can find. I apologize if this is annoying, and if it is, please tell me and I will stop.

I'm the Director of Invaders (www.invaders.ca.tt) and have been involved with the Scotland invasion since the beginning. I'd say that was October 16th or 17th.

Throughout the invasion we've contacted Mods for permission to do what we did, all of it was approved. As for those multi's, they're in the region 'Purgatorio' and their mottos are all "I'm a cheating wanker that the mods caught" (still all UN nations). They all moved into "Scotland" and immediately endorsed "Scotsnations" who wasn't listed anywhere to be notable. Why would they choose him if they weren't somehow connected with him? Once a native posted that they were obviously multi's they all headed out to "Purgatorio", each within minutes of each other.

Also, while we were in the region there was quite a bit of spamming in the Regional Message Board and Regional Happenings. Not done by any Invader soldier, I can guarantee you that. Either committed by one of the defenders who invaded us at first or a native.

If there's a good explanation to why Scotsnations was given Founder, I'll end here. But so far we've gotten absolutely nothing.
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