NationStates Jolt Archive

Ok, first of all I would like to make it clear that this is not a moderator bashing thread. With that being said I would like to ask a question on behalf of every invader (Invader, raider, region crasher...they are all the same).

Why do the moderators always take the side of the defenders. I will admit that us invaders have some bad apples among us but it seems like the defenders can get away with almost anything. This is not a complaint but a question.

Mod's are neutral, i.e. don't take part in the whole defender/invader thing, and don't take bias to any side.

Mod's are required not to take part or bias, tis one of the job qualifications I believe.

Ah but i have reported several people for regional spamming (same person couple times), who was a defender, and he didnt even get a warning (according to the tg he sent me after i told him i was reporting him), yet i did it once (with the original Drakothonia) and it got deleted without a warning.

and there was also that intervention in Scotland

I agree that mods do make some judgements I find appaling, but I also believe they can be very fair. They normally have reasons for what they do, whether they make all that much sense or not, they still just make the desisions on their best judgement. I trust their judgement about 85% of the time. I would have to say that the situation in Scotland is very odd and doesn't make much sense at all. But I do beleive the mods are taking consideration into the fact that they might be wrong on this one. I think the mods do a pretty good job considering how evil some of us invaders/raiders/region crashers can be. I just hope one day they will all see that invading is a part of the game to be prevented by defenders, but not taken out completely.

I just hope one day they will all see that invading is a part of the game to be prevented by defenders, but not taken out completely.

Actually, we do see this as being the optimal solution. Unfortunatly far too many players see invasions (or defenses) to be countered by complaining to the mods and not handling it themselves. We've created a large community and society here and it is the societies responsibility to regulate itself whenever possible.

Actually, we do see this as being the optimal solution. Unfortunatly far too many players see invasions (or defenses) to be countered by complaining to the mods and not handling it themselves. We've created a large community and society here and it is the societies responsibility to regulate itself whenever possible.

I think we aren't going to see too many efficient defender organizations:


"As a matter of cosmic history, it has always been easier to destroy, than to create."


+2 pts if you can recall the quote (think high geek factor)

And though I say this, have defender based organizations become more effective in countering invasions?

Yes. Why, would you like to join one? ;)

:eek: Do you ever stop recruiting? :p

And though I say this, have defender based organizations become more effective in countering invasions?

I honestly don't think they are getting any better at it. The only thing that is changing is their numbers and ours. Their tactics remain the same in countering, however they seem to be going after the sources more often now.

Ok, first of all I would like to make it clear that this is not a moderator bashing thread. With that being said I would like to ask a question on behalf of every invader (Invader, raider, region crasher...they are all the same).

Why do the moderators always take the side of the defenders. I will admit that us invaders have some bad apples among us but it seems like the defenders can get away with almost anything. This is not a complaint but a question.

A valid question, to be quite sure. It's probably because it's a lot easier, and probably a lot more tempting to actually grief when you're an invader. Invader groups for one reason or another simply tend to break the rules more often than other groups. The DEN is a prime example; I've had to deal with dozens of cases of multis and mass ejections from them. It probably looks like a bias because of the sheer amount of rulebreaking that goes on within these organizations. That said, we don't look the other way on defenders by any means: if I can find the 'holding' region for any invader or defender group, you'd better believe I'll UN scan the mother.

Another possibility is that a lot of us really don't like invasions because they frequently give us headaches. That is to say, just about every damn region under the sun that gets invaded thinks they're being griefed, so we're obligated to look into a healthy number of them. Bias or no, you get jaded to this sort of thing after a while. I won't lie and claim I like invasions or invader groups, but it's part of the job and I have to deal with it, and give them the same benefit of the doubt that I give everyone else.

Ah but i have reported several people for regional spamming (same person couple times), who was a defender, and he didnt even get a warning (according to the tg he sent me after i told him i was reporting him), yet i did it once (with the original Drakothonia) and it got deleted without a warning.

If you reported someone for spam, and they actually did spam, they got a warning. We don't always notify the person who complained of what action was taken. I don't, unless they specifically ask to be told. Don't assume just because we don't respond that no action was taken: we've dealt with roughly 18,000 tasks to date and we simply don't have the time to sit down and write out a telegram to everyone who lodges a request.

Secondly, according to our records, Drakothonia was deleted because the spam was a second offense, the first being a UN multi with 'Jews and Nazis' and 'The Evil Gods 3.' We have a 'two strikes and you're out' policy regarding rulebreaking, so the deletion was justified.

Us defenders can get away with anything because we don't DO anything wrong. Sheesh.

But the mods seem very vehemently pro-NPO in the fact that they ALLOWED them into power by halting the invasions while FS was allowed to build a "cushion" of endorsements.

Wow. And... in January, everyone was talking about how the mods were biased towards defenders. It's amazing... :cool: Man, can't you mod-guys get anything right? Jee-sus! Oh, and Defaultia, let's be honest with each other, okay?

Defenders, as in people like the ADN and RRA... are just invaders who have good PR. Proper defenders can do no wrong. You people are just silly.

You people are just silly.


i prefer the word...crazy :p

Wow. And... in January, everyone was talking about how the mods were biased towards defenders. It's amazing... :cool: Man, can't you mod-guys get anything right? Jee-sus! Oh, and Defaultia, let's be honest with each other, okay?

Defenders, as in people like the ADN and RRA... are just invaders who have good PR. Proper defenders can do no wrong. You people are just silly.

You are soooo wise, but you missed something: Proper "invaders" can do no wrong either, but they lack discipline. If they weren't so focust on being mean, they could easily be mistaken for "defenders" :cool:

[QUOTE=Melkor Unchained]A valid question, to be quite sure. It's probably because it's a lot easier, and probably a lot more tempting to actually grief when you're an invader. Invader groups for one reason or another simply tend to break the rules more often than other groups.


Most invaders do not want to get deleted and follow the rules (most, I am not denying that there are some bad apples out there). And can we please get an explanation about Scotland.

Secondly, according to our records, Drakothonia was deleted because the spam was a second offense, the first being a UN multi with 'Jews and Nazis' and 'The Evil Gods 3.' We have a 'two strikes and you're out' policy regarding rulebreaking, so the deletion was justified.

The Evil Gods 3 i dont recognize, though J&N was my friends account... he stayed at my house for a week or so... logged in a couple times... didnt think anything of it really. Though now that i recognize that name i do recall it being UN at the same time as mine, and i should have done something about it, which was my fault really. He quit NS from what he told me so i shouldnt have that happen again... as long as i remember to resign my current UN puppet before switching to a new one.

You are soooo wise...

Yes. Yes I am. But I sense a but coming.

...but you missed something:

There we go.


Proper "invaders" can do no wrong either, but they lack discipline. If they weren't so focust on being mean, they could easily be mistaken for "defenders" :cool:

Focussed on being mean? Madame, you insult... the other invaders. I'm a mean person. It's what I do. According to certain people

*doesn't look at CG*

it's why I joined the NPO (and I thought I was seduced by the uniform). However, your 'defenders' also attempted to invade the RR, and the Pacific. I stand by my earlier 'PR' comment.

The Evil Gods 3 i dont recognize, though J&N was my friends account... he stayed at my house for a week or so... logged in a couple times... didnt think anything of it really. Though now that i recognize that name i do recall it being UN at the same time as mine, and i should have done something about it, which was my fault really. He quit NS from what he told me so i shouldnt have that happen again... as long as i remember to resign my current UN puppet before switching to a new one.

Yes. Doing that will solve all your problems.

A bit late, but still...

People, this isn't that difficult. You are allowed a grand total of one UN nations. That's per IP address, not per player.

Until NS develops brainwave reading and finger-print scanning technology it can use from your monitor, it is doubtful the mods will let these things go by on the odd chance it was a friend, or a brother, or 'Jesus, it really was Him, He's next to me right now!'

Comprende?