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two of my nations were just deated
why

Griefing 'The Strong Alliance of Power,' according to our records.

how do you grief you own region?

Don't ask me, I didn't delete them.

You dont think the word "Nazi" might have anything to do with it :headbang:

Also, these has been somone trying to hack into join-nazi-europe. There has been a lot of it recently, and I think I know who has been doing it. Supposevly, this person told me that he has been able to get into join-nazi-europe, which also would make join-nazi-europe to appear to have more than 1 UN nation.

Don't ask me, I didn't delete them.
may i be so bold as to ask who did

I respectfully request that the mods review this situation,they are not above making mistakes.

It seems that whoever refounds The Strong Alliance of Power is immediately accused of griefing it and is then deated by the mods.Perhaps the source of the griefing complaints are false accusations by natives of SAOP.

The exact same thing happened to The URAP's agent,15 Words almost 3 mos ago when he refounded The SAOP after it was in fact griefed by it's former founder.The nation 15 words saw the region delete at the pm update and simply refounded it,he was in turn accused of griefing and deated.After it was realized a mistake was made,he was resurrected.

I submit these 2 telegrams from the mods for everyone's inspection and request that these most recent deletions be reconsidered.
Thank you for your time,DC&H
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NationStates Moderators
Received: 81 days ago Invading regions, kicking everyone out, and refounding the region is quite possibly the most extreme form of griefing possible.
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NationStates Moderators
Received: 81 days ago However, that's not your fault... looks like someone made an error in estimating this situation. 15 words will be resurrected.

It seems that whoever refounds The Strong Alliance of Power is immediately accused of griefing it and is then deated by the mods.Perhaps the source of the griefing complaints are false accusations by natives of SAOP.

The exact same thing happened to The URAP's agent,15 Words almost 3 mos ago when he refounded The SAOP after it was in fact griefed by it's former founder.The nation 15 words saw the region delete at the pm update and simply refounded it,he was in turn accused of griefing and deated.After it was realized a mistake was made,he was resurrected.

I submit these 2 telegrams from the mods for everyone's inspection and request that these most recent deletions be reconsidered.
Thank you for your time,DC&H
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NationStates Moderators
Received: 81 days ago Invading regions, kicking everyone out, and refounding the region is quite possibly the most extreme form of griefing possible.
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NationStates Moderators
Received: 81 days ago However, that's not your fault... looks like someone made an error in estimating this situation. 15 words will be resurrected.Of course, mistakes do on rare occasion happen ( its a statistical / probability thing after all ), but you must remember any one else reading this thread must take such " telegrams " with a grain of salt, as we can hardly see into your inbox to see if they are really there, da ? Or if they are not, we can hardly go back over any Mod Center records and review it our-selves. So they hardly constitute solid evidence right now of precedent, ;) , though I personally admire the attempt at provisioning some proof, if not quite concrete as you may like.I respectfully request that the mods review this situation,they are not above making mistakes.And I respectfully hope you realise they are probably going to look into it as soon as they have time, this is the Moderation forum after all, and they do usually follow up on any complaints or concerns posted in here.

Of course, mistakes do on rare occasion happen ( its a statistical / probability thing after all ), but you must remember any one else reading this thread must take such " telegrams " with a grain of salt, as we can hardly see into your inbox to see if they are really there, da ? Or if they are not, we can hardly go back over any Mod Center records and review it our-selves. So they hardly constitute solid evidence right now of precedent, ;) , though I personally admire the attempt at provisioning some proof, if not quite concrete as you may like.And I respectfully hope you realise they are probably going to look into it as soon as they have time, this is the Moderation forum after all, and they do usually follow up on any complaints or concerns posted in here.

Of course I realize that :)

That's why the mods are welcome to look at the in-box of 16 Words to see those telegrams I just posted.

After 15 Words was deated,he immediately created the puppet 16 Words to keep from loosing his other region.The mods couldn't have sent those tgs to a deat nation,so they sent them to his puppet :)
DC&H

The mods have obviously made a mistake here. Not only should join-nazi-europe be 're-instated' he should also be put back as founder of the strong alliance of power as he re-founded the region legitimately.

note the strong alliance of power was refounded by "the saop refounder"

I had checked the region not long before it was refounded, One nation was there and at the time i had not seen any sign of griefing, he eventually left. The saop founder or his other names was never in a position to grief the region. He just refounded it.

Hopefully it's not a mistake and there is one less nazi in NS. But even if it is a mistake, it's always good to see nazis get all upset and indignant about perceived wrongs. :)

Hopefully it's not a mistake and there is one less nazi in NS. But even if it is a mistake, it's always good to see nazis get all upset and indignant about perceived wrongs. :)
are you flamebaiting the nazis :eek:

I respectfully request that the mods review this situation,they are not above making mistakes.

It seems that whoever refounds The Strong Alliance of Power is immediately accused of griefing it and is then deated by the mods.Perhaps the source of the griefing complaints are false accusations by natives of SAOP.

The exact same thing happened to The URAP's agent,15 Words almost 3 mos ago when he refounded The SAOP after it was in fact griefed by it's former founder.The nation 15 words saw the region delete at the pm update and simply refounded it,he was in turn accused of griefing and deated.After it was realized a mistake was made,he was resurrected.

I submit these 2 telegrams from the mods for everyone's inspection and request that these most recent deletions be reconsidered.
Thank you for your time,DC&H
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NationStates Moderators
Received: 81 days ago Invading regions, kicking everyone out, and refounding the region is quite possibly the most extreme form of griefing possible.
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NationStates Moderators
Received: 81 days ago However, that's not your fault... looks like someone made an error in estimating this situation. 15 words will be resurrected.

I certainly concur with DC&H's history with regards to 15 WORDS -- I had witnessed (along with Jackie Clarkson) Ohio State Buckeyes II's griefing of the region and 15 WORDS getting the bum rap for it three months ago (and of course NS Moderation inspected our telegrams (of Buckeye's admission of his griefing) and 15 WORDS was re-instated as a nation.

Having said this, I am wondering why I was ejected by The SAOP Refounder if he indeed did not grief the region as United White Front and others suggest that nation did not.

Hopefully it's not a mistake and there is one less nazi in NS. But even if it is a mistake, it's always good to see nazis get all upset and indignant about perceived wrongs. :)

Who asked you, commie?

Having said this, I am wondering why I was ejected by The SAOP Refounder if he indeed did not grief the region as United White Front and others suggest that nation did not.
i did eject people
but it was my region as founder and i had the right to do so (see posts 2 through 4) (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=362465)

edit:i wanted a non nazi region for once
i wanted to thry to be a raider thats why after an hour of refounding as a nazi region i changed the wfe and my flag hoping no one had seen
but The Kingdom of Meridias 3 wouldn't leave me alone that nation kept tging me telling me to leave its region
i got tired of that and changed it back to being a nazi region
then i go to log in and i'm deat

and now i see join_new_nazi_europe is gone

i lost my region due to this

i lost my nation pleasantville for something like that the story is that i was in election for intel minister my only rival was some sort of "expert" in this game and just a few days before the election (which i was winning) my acount got deleted for no reason i wasnt even online that week

now the region has been greifed by the un del


Today's United Nations Report
The Most Income Equality in The strong alliance of power
Citizens in these nations earn very similar incomes: their nations only have small gaps between the rich and poor.

# Nation UN Category Motto
1. The Royster Commonwealth of The Oyster Po-Boy Liberal Democratic Socialists "Louisiana Seafood Marketing Board operative"
2. The Republic of White power world wide Psychotic Dictatorship "For the reich"
3. The Democratic States of Moreli Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "Protection routes out Opression"
4. The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "Freedom at any price!!!"



Regional Happenings
Seconds ago: The Republic of I h8 spam arrived from The West Pacific.
49 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher departed this region for The Rejected Realms
49 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher ejected The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher from the region.
50 minutes ago: The Republic of White power world wide departed this region for The Rejected Realms
50 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher ejected The Republic of White power world wide from the region.
50 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher removed The Royster Commonwealth of The Oyster Po-Boy from the regional ban list.
50 minutes ago: The Royster Commonwealth of The Oyster Po-Boy departed this region for The Rejected Realms
50 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher ejected The Royster Commonwealth of The Oyster Po-Boy from the region.
50 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher removed The Ever-Roving Camel Raiders of Murtunia II from the regional ban list.
50 minutes ago: The Ever-Roving Camel Raiders of Murtunia II departed this region for The Rejected Realms

sure seems like it..

The strong alliance of power

World Factbook Entry: Refounding regions after griefing them is not perimssible. The griefers have been cleared but foundership will not change hands.

UN Delegate: None.

Founder: The saop refounder

The strong alliance of power is home to a single nation. [List all nations]

Today's United Nations Report
The Most Income Equality in The strong alliance of power

Citizens in these nations earn very similar incomes: their nations only have small gaps between the rich and poor.
# Nation UN Category Motto
1. FlagThe Royster Commonwealth of The Oyster Po-Boy Liberal Democratic Socialists "Louisiana Seafood Marketing Board operative"
2. FlagThe Republic of White power world wide Psychotic Dictatorship "For the reich"
3. FlagThe Democratic States of MoreliUN Member Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "Protection routes out Opression"
4. FlagThe Democratic Republic of Imperial CrusherUN Member Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "Freedom at any price!!!"

Regional Happenings

* 20 minutes ago: The Republic of I h8 spam arrived from The West Pacific.
* 70 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher departed this region for The Rejected Realms
* 70 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher ejected The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher from the region.
* 71 minutes ago: The Republic of White power world wide departed this region for The Rejected Realms
* 71 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher ejected The Republic of White power world wide from the region.
* 71 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher removed The Royster Commonwealth of The Oyster Po-Boy from the regional ban list.
* 71 minutes ago: The Royster Commonwealth of The Oyster Po-Boy departed this region for The Rejected Realms
* 71 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher ejected The Royster Commonwealth of The Oyster Po-Boy from the region.
* 71 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher removed The Ever-Roving Camel Raiders of Murtunia II from the regional ban list.
* 71 minutes ago: The Ever-Roving Camel Raiders of Murtunia II departed this region for The Rejected Realms

The strong alliance of power Civil Headquarters

Messages from regional members are co-ordinated here.
Lodged From Message
23 hours ago The Kingdom of Meridias 3 damn is and by the way you don't have a very good way of hiding it don't think we won't get it back.
23 hours ago The Free Land of Hitler Body Guard AH HA the Nazi's have finally gained control over this region. good. I would like to stay if ok?
22 hours ago The Kingdom of Meridias 3 Thank you very much!
22 hours ago The Free Land of Hitler Body Guard Ah good bye for I am moving back to the saopII
19 hours ago The buckeye state *sigh* What a hell hole my region has become. It also seems as though invading is very settled right now. Why? The nazis are once again defeated because they are worthless griefers. Now my other question is. Why is The ANA against me? Maybe they really are nazis in hiding? Probably. Knowing that administration. Also why is the EAA in here?

Oh well...
18 hours ago The Democratic States of Moreli sssh...Buckeye I'm an old friend...;)
8 hours ago The Royster Commonwealth of The Oyster Po-Boy Hmm...

So I see that Buckeye made a return.
Then of course "The saop refounder" is deat too!

Might Buckeye and The saop refounder be one in the same (DOS) player?

Just speculating -- I have no proof.
Just trying to figure out what the heck is going on!
7 hours ago The Royster Commonwealth of The Oyster Po-Boy Um -- Nice to have the EAA here anyway until we succeed in sorting everything out.

Thanks PF for your explaination -- but I cannot understand why we all were ejected if this region's WFE had clearly stated "No Nazis" if indeed you suggest that "The SAOP Refounder" was/is indeed one!

Unless of course he checked out as also being Buckeyes -- but only NS Moderation would know that.

*shakes head in bemusement*
6 hours ago The Democratic States of Moreli Ok guys heres the deal, this region goes back to its rightful owener Ohio State Buckeye, and I will clearly say that Buckeye was deleted for profane language towards the Nazi's he has grown to hate. The refounder was an ignorant savage while Buckeye has intelligence, I flatly reject your hypothesis.
5 hours ago The Ever-Roving Camel Raiders of Murtunia II Doubt that SAOP refounder and Buckeyes is the same person. Why would Buckeyes fight with himself over his own region. I think the "No Nazis" Thing was just a ploy to make people belive he was Buckeyes...

*also shakes head in bemusement*

Who asked you, commie?

FLAMES DO NOT BELONG IN MODERATION.

proof this was a planed greif in bold

The Strong Alliance of PowerII
World Factbook Entry: We are the original Members of The Strong Alliance of Power founding this region until we get back control of The Strong Alliance of Power. We are Invaders and Proud of it. THE SAOP SHALL NEVER FAIL!!!!

BUCKEYES RISES AGAIN HE LIVES AGAIN AND WILL LEAD US TO GREATNESS!!!


UN Delegate: None.

Founder: The Kingdom of Meridias 3

The Strong Alliance of PowerII contains 3 nations. [List all nations]

Like what you see? Move United White Front to The Strong Alliance of PowerII today!



Today's United Nations Report
The Most Income Equality in The Strong Alliance of PowerII
Citizens in these nations earn very similar incomes: their nations only have small gaps between the rich and poor.

# Nation UN Category Motto
1. The Free Land of Hitler Body Guard Corrupt Dictatorship "Nazi's Shall fall! The SAOP lives forever!"
2. The Kingdom of Ansteora New York Times Democracy "WE ENDORSE CHRISTY AND SO SHOULD YOU!"
3. The Kingdom of Meridias 3 Moralistic Democracy "All hail the Queen"



Regional Happenings
18 hours ago: The Armed Republic of Groznia Forever ceased to exist.
18 hours ago: Groznia forever arrived from The strong alliance of power.
19 hours ago: The United States of The Buckeye State ceased to exist.
20 hours ago: The buckeye state arrived from NAZI EUROPE.
20 hours ago: The Kingdom of Meridias 3 updated the World Factbook entry.
21 hours ago: The Kingdom of Meridias 3 arrived from The strong alliance of power.
22 hours ago: The Kingdom of Meridias 3 departed this region for The strong alliance of power
22 hours ago: The Kingdom of Meridias 3 updated the World Factbook entry.
22 hours ago: The Free Land of Hitler Body Guard arrived from The strong alliance of power.
22 hours ago: The Kingdom of Meridias 3 arrived from The strong alliance of power.


The Strong Alliance of PowerII Civil Headquarters
Messages from regional members are co-ordinated here.

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1 day ago The Kingdom of Meridias 3 Hello SAOP Natives please feel free to talk about plans to gain control over the Strong ALliance of power that has been refounded by the Nazi's
22 hours ago The Kingdom of Meridias 3 hello all is settled
20 hours ago The buckeye state Don't be so sure...

I may be dead soon. In fact you should count on it...
20 hours ago The Kingdom of Meridias 3 Why should you be dead? Oh wait i know because of all those posts you shouldn't put so much info in there.
18 hours ago Groznia forever Meridias, as a friend of Buckeye I am willing and am not no matter what you people say move out of The strong alliance of power. There is a Nazi their and my UN nation as well as my friend are there to take control of the region, kick out the Nazi, password the region, and the hand it to Buckeye gift wrapped. Thank you!

FWIW,I also believe the saop refounder should be resurrected.It looks to me like another planned grief by Buckeye/friends of Buckeye and saop refounder took the rap for it.They did the exact same thing when my agent 15 Words was deated for griefing/refounding the region and later proven innocent.It worked for them once,why not try it again?

From what I can tell,all griefing took place in the region while it was listed as "The Strong Alliance of Power"(note the use of upper case).For 'the saop refounder' to grief the region,he would have had to go there with at least 2 un nations,seize the delegacy,eject nations and then wait for the region to die and refound after leaving it.

I saw none of this happen and it's simply too long a time frame for him to get away with it while being watched by Buckeye and friends.They emptied the region and the saop refounder got it before them.

White Front has a habit of typing in lower case letters,any ejections I saw done by him were while the region was in "lower case" title with him as founder.As founder,he could eject anyone he wanted to.I think the mods should review this point.

The nation 16 Words has moved into 'the strong alliance of power' to keep it open until this is resolved.

The invader delegate of the region has griefed it and ejected himself to try and refound the region.They have done it again and it's simply just wrong to let it continue.

the greifing continues
The strong alliance of power
World Factbook Entry: Refounding regions after griefing them is not perimssible. The griefers have been cleared but foundership will not change hands.


UN Delegate: None.

Founder: The saop refounder

The strong alliance of power is home to a single nation. [List all nations]

Tired of life in The strong alliance of power? Then move to a new region!



Today's United Nations Report
The Most Income Equality in The strong alliance of power
Citizens in these nations earn very similar incomes: their nations only have small gaps between the rich and poor.

# Nation UN Category Motto
1. The Royster Commonwealth of The Oyster Po-Boy Liberal Democratic Socialists "Louisiana Seafood Marketing Board operative"
2. The Republic of White power world wide Psychotic Dictatorship "For the reich"
3. The Democratic States of Moreli Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "Protection routes out Opression"
4. The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "Freedom at any price!!!"



Regional Happenings
Seconds ago: The Republic of United White Front arrived from United White Front.
9 minutes ago: The Republic of I h8 spam departed this region for The Rejected Realms
9 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher ejected The Republic of I h8 spam from the region.
9 minutes ago: The Dictatorship of 16 Words departed this region for The Rejected Realms
9 minutes ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher ejected The Dictatorship of 16 Words from the region.
2 hours ago: The Dictatorship of 16 Words arrived from URAP.
5 hours ago: The Republic of I h8 spam arrived from The West Pacific.
6 hours ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher departed this region for The Rejected Realms
6 hours ago: The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher ejected The Democratic Republic of Imperial Crusher from the region.
6 hours ago: The Republic of White power world wide departed this region for The Rejected Realms

sould i create a new hread for the eaa greifing??

FLAMES DO NOT BELONG IN MODERATION.

Nor do flame-baiters.

Nor do flame-baiters.
please be calm and dont argue with mods(it wont help my case if you do)
also i already pointed out the flame baiting

i did eject people
but it was my region as founder and i had the right to do so (see posts 2 through 4) (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=362465)

edit:i wanted a non nazi region for once
i wanted to thry to be a raider thats why after an hour of refounding as a nazi region i changed the wfe and my flag hoping no one had seen
but The Kingdom of Meridias 3 wouldn't leave me alone that nation kept tging me telling me to leave its region
i got tired of that and changed it back to being a nazi region
then i go to log in and i'm deat


I see I was ejected again -- Second time in two days!
First by The SAOP Refounder; Secondly by Imperial Crusher

Good to hear an explaination of all this at least from one of you -- except you still didn't explain I was ejected in the first place.

At least Imperial Crusher unbanned me immediately after s/he ejected me.
So I am back in the region -- until things get sorted out!

Meanwhile though I really hated getting booted by Imperial Crusher since he ejected/unbanned most nations it would seem to me that what has been called a griefing seems legit -- but NS Moderation I'm sure will weigh in here.

I remain confused and bewildered.
I left The Strong Alliance of Power willingly weeks ago expecting it to be refounded by Christy Helton and Meridias 3.
As far as I know they were thoroughly checked out by NS Moderation as not being Ohio State Buckeye zombie clones so even with my known opposition to Buckeyes I supported Christy Helton's efforts at refounding -- which The SAOP Refounder apparently interrupted.

I am not a Mod so I cannot determine whether that warranted the deletions.
Once again I do concur with what had happened to 15 WORDS -- obviously his return to nationhood verifies that.

I am wondering about "saving" a region for a DOS "Delete On Sight" player; as Moreli suggested in The Strong Alliance of Power's RMB he and Imperial Crusher were doing for Ohio State Buckeye's latest zombie clone.

Might one become deat for enabling such a reappearance?
Were it up to me of course Moreli and Imperial Crusher should face deletion under that circumstance.

has the mod who took action looked at this yet
and what of the griefers

It is important to correct errors like this quickly to avoid any difficulties that can appear over time this mistake is allowed to run its course. So far a founder was deleted for something he was not involved in may not even have happened as well as another one of his names being deat which has resulted in the loss of another region.

Refoundings are always tricky. We've looked over it, and this is actually a sniping (where someone unexpectedly refounds a region that was voluntarily cleared) which is perfectly kosher as opposed to a griefing. Everything's been fixed to its previous state.

my nations are back :) :fluffle: :) :) :) :)

Ya. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Refoundings are always tricky. We've looked over it, and this is actually a sniping (where someone unexpectedly refounds a region that was voluntarily cleared) which is perfectly kosher as opposed to a griefing. Everything's been fixed to its previous state.
thankyou may i eject as normal now

what about join new nazi europe?
or should i file a ghr
edit and the griefers?

That has been fixed as well now.

i hate to be a pain
but after join new nazi europe was deated the region it was in new nazi europe died and was refounded
can it be reset to how it was with us navy nazis as founder and the pw in join new nazi europe's tg inbox?

I just put "join new nazi europe" in as the founder. Might as well give it to a nation that exists.

thanks
i hope this cause's no problems

edit:i see i still dont have regional control

You should now.

thank you for all you have done

No prob. Anyone mind if I lock this now that it's resolved?

not realy
but what of the griefers from the eaa (post 21,22,24,27 this thread i believe)?

edited post numbers

Now I'm stepping away from the issue. You're all mature; you can work it out for yourselves.

Good to see things resolved here.

I am still wondering however about those nations that ejected nations for the intended purpose of giving the region over to a known DOS in NS player.

Is there any consequence for this kind of action?

In light of the crazyness surrounding this entire mess, I'm not going to do anything about it as there will just be more kicking and screaming. If said DOS player is detected, then the DOS order will be enacted. As for simply ejecting people, that is usually legal barring the whole griefing thing... but the Strong Alliance of Power has been refounded so many times that native status there really is indeterminate (and it was legitimately sniped anyway, so there you have it).

In light of the crazyness surrounding this entire mess, I'm not going to do anything about it as there will just be more kicking and screaming. If said DOS player is detected, then the DOS order will be enacted. As for simply ejecting people, that is usually legal barring the whole griefing thing... but the Strong Alliance of Power has been refounded so many times that native status there really is indeterminate (and it was legitimately sniped anyway, so there you have it).


I for one certainly appreciate a NS Moderator saying things are crazy ;)

I certainly agree with "join-nazi-europe" getting reinstated his nation. He certainly refounded legally The Strong Alliance of Power before the awaiting Christy Helton et al, much as it feels like an invasion/theft. That's the breaks we win some we lose some.

i hate to be a pain
but after join new nazi europe was deated the region it was in new nazi europe died and was refounded
can it be reset to how it was with us navy nazis as founder and the pw in join new nazi europe's tg inbox?

While I concur with the restoration of JNE to nationhood it appears to me that "New Nazi Europe" (nation) legitimately refounded NEW NAZI EUROPE (the region) when it ceased to exist because JNE was deated.

Should not the NEW NAZI EUROPE refounding by the nation of its same name stand then? From my experience in NS I have never witnessed removal of a nation as a (re)founder of a region that had done so legally. But I could be wrong.

Apologies for extending the craziness :P

The refounding of NNE was a result of our mistake and, thus, was reversed. It's not a glitch to go with, it's a personal error to be amended. It has been so amended.