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You asked a example: well here it is, post 95.on page: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364200&page=7&pp=15

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IDF
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Originally Posted by Anarchy 92
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oxtailsoup
Wow, you are so full of shit, let's say that I hope that some Hamas freedomfighters kill your parents and rape your sister (no, not you, you would like it), crazy zionist nazi




No you don't, thats sick man .


well the mods will get him as I've reported that Nazi to them.



You only warned Oxtailsoup,, not IDF. Then, you asked for example where IDF calls one a Nazi, before you can take action. Well here it is, BTW I am sure that you saw it in the discussion to but you were on one side and lost neutrality. Here is some evidence like asked, so you can still take action.

If not, our opinions still stand that you were biased.


Post 7 of The Unfree People in Moderation: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364388

I'm afraid you will have to do better than that.

Firstly, you have not directly linked to the post or the thread in which it has been posted, so I am unable to check its authenticity (at least, without spending half an hour wrestling with the search functions).

Secondly, assuming IDF did indeed refer to someone as a Nazi as shown above, it is only a careless remark in passing, rather than a directly addressed insult. Something that I would point out to him in a thread if I had the time, but not necessarily warn him over.

It would be a mistake on your part to interpret this as a sign of bias on our part, and an even graver one to make an issue over it. Personally, I do view him as a borderline troll, but being occasionally rude and inconsiderate is not quite the same as being offensive enough to merit action. I can only advise you to submit a better example when one comes along.

EDIT: You have now linked directly to the post. Thank you. However, the evidence is insufficient for any action to be taken.

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Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Also, you might want to be careful going out of your way to get IDF warned/DEATed, because the moderators do not take kindly in anyone trying to purposely get someone in trouble in the game.

Also, you might want to be careful going out of your way to get IDF warned/DEATed, because the moderators do not take kindly in anyone trying to purposely get someone in trouble in the game.

Think that a warning would be correct, regarding the warning Gigatron was given while IDF started trolling/ flaiming. Tuesday H. read the thread and you'll see.

That's not my call to make.

Tuesday Heights, leave this to the mods. It's nice of you to help but it's not always appreciated. IDF flames alot under the blanket of IC posts or as his opinion.

HP, I could say the same to you and the countless others watching IDF like a hawk to see him crack; that's unacceptable, and I have every right to post here just like you do until the mods tell me otherwise.

Besides, I don't care if you appreciate my help or not, I don't want to see the game ruined by rulebreakers, and as such, I add my two cents where I can within limit.

I read the entire thread, and I have yet to see proof that IDF said anything that was 'shocking' and 'offensive' to a specific person. However, Gigatron obviously overstepped his limits, and was warned accordingly.

Kudos to the mods, esp. Unfree Peoples and Myrth, who have to take the heat from specific nations who try to get someone banned just because of different ideals.

Kudos to the mods, esp. Unfree Peoples and Myrth, who have to take the heat from specific nations who try to get someone banned just because of different ideals.

Euroslavia's sentiments, exactly.

We most certainly don't appreciate people reporting every questionable thing a user posts to us. Constantly trying to get someone warned/deleted will eventually result in me issuing you a warning.

We most certainly don't appreciate people reporting every questionable thing a user posts to us. Constantly trying to get someone warned/deleted will eventually result in me issuing you a warning.


Who of the above, Holy Panoly,Least Well Known NSer,Tuesday Heights, me? All of us :rolleyes:

Seems that a lot of persons have the same complaints about the moderation there.

:rolleyes: Seems that a lot of persons have the same complaints about the moderation there.
And when they are phrased with such precision, such eloquence, especially by someone with such a trust-inducing name, naturally we are compelled to care.

Get some evidence before moaning.

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Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Seems that a lot of persons have the same complaints about the moderation there.

What? 3 people?

IDF flames alot under the blanket of IC posts or as his opinion.
IDF is allowed to say whatever he wants IC. I once reported CM for saying stuff about the Jews that would get some people in jail for inciting racial hatred. However, the mods didn't do anything because you are allowed to post whatever you want IC.

IDF is allowed to say whatever he wants IC. I once reported CM for saying stuff about the Jews that would get some people in jail for inciting racial hatred. However, the mods didn't do anything because you are allowed to post whatever you want IC.

Not quite true.

Not quite true.
What? My reporting CM, nothing happening to him or allowed to post whatever you want IC?

Use common sense in IC messages. Racism and nazism are allowed ICly. When you start saying LYNCH ALL FUCKING (insert stereotype here) it is considered flaming. Not really hard to figure out.

Hm. Wasn't your puppet forum banned?

You do know that using another nation to post while forum banned is a deletable offence, right?

Hm. Wasn't your puppet forum banned?

You do know that using another nation to post while forum banned is a deletable offence, right?

I've always used both nations to play with so it isn't really ban evading. If HP was banned and I created a puppet to go on, it would be evading. I think.

There's a difference between 'RAWWWRR WE'RE KILLING ALL FAGS AND YOU CAN'T STOP US HAHAHAHA' and 'The Emperor has declared homosexuality illegal and ...'

I've always used both nations to play with so it isn't really ban evading. If HP was banned and I created a puppet to go on, it would be evading. I think.

Ah, but it doesn't work like that.

Oh. Does that mean HP will be deleted now? The mod who banned Guffingford could have said that

Oh. Does that mean HP will be deleted now? The mod who banned Guffingford could have said that
One would think that stopping posting and waiting for the ban to end would be a good idea...

One would think that stopping posting and waiting for the ban to end would be a good idea...

I would like to hear an answer to my question first. http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364094 Tactical Grace knew I'm Guffingford. Why didn't he told me about this?

You asked a example: well here it is, post 95.on page: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364200&page=7&pp=15





You only warned Oxtailsoup,, not IDF. Then, you asked for example where IDF calls one a Nazi, before you can take action. Well here it is, BTW I am sure that you saw it in the discussion to but you were on one side and lost neutrality. Here is some evidence like asked, so you can still take action.

If not, our opinions still stand that you were biased.


Post 7 of The Unfree People in Moderation: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364388
That's not a very pertinant example of flaming, although more like that would definitely be out of line.


If 50,000 really died (and I doubt it is that many) I say fine. Too bad it wasn't more.
As for this post, IDF has earned himself a warning. Racism isn't censored, but support for killing an entire group of people is malicious and not acceptable.

Tuesday Heights posted this but realized this was NOT directed at her:
This message has been deleted by Tuesday Heights. Reason: Too early to be posting.

Good job you've deleted that or I'd tell you to bug off. Haven't you figured out if I want to your opinion or advice I'd ask you? When I direct a question at a MOD (someone with NationStates Moderator Team under their name) I want to hear an answer from them. Not you.

Good job you've deleted that or I'd tell you to bug off. Haven't you figured out if I want to your opinion or advice I'd ask you? When I direct a question at a MOD (someone with NationStates Moderator Team under their name) I want to hear an answer from them. Not you.

First off, I posted in the wrong thread. Second off, if you want to know whether or not you're evading a forum ban - which you are - you should open up another thread and stop hijacking this one.

Hm. Wasn't your puppet forum banned?

You do know that using another nation to post while forum banned is a deletable offence, right?

Emphasis is mine.

He said nothing about creating another nation to post while forumbanned, HP, simply that you cannot post to the forums. Forum. Banned. It's also against the rules to ask other people to post for you. I've not known the mods to indulge in quibbling over nuance of word and phrase when it comes to enforcing the rules.

Secondly, you're not a mod, and you're not the author of this thread. You have no right to tell anyone to stop posting here, and you should remember that you're not supposed to be posting. At all. Going back to the whole banned from posting on the forum thing. I can't remember what it's called... oh yeah. Forumban. :headbang:

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I certainly aren't a mod and neither am I the person who made this thread but when I direct a question to a mod, only mod needs to answer it.

TH misposted. The post didn't happen as far as you're concerned. You had no call to get pissy over a deleted post, since it quite clearly did NOT answer a question when you'd asked for a Modly answer.

At any rate, I'm not going to participate in the further hijaking of this thread.

I would like to hear an answer to my question first. http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364094 Tactical Grace knew I'm Guffingford. Why didn't he told me about this?
Let's look at that thread for a moment, then.
There are different ways of doing it, banning a specific forum account, or a blanket-ban of an IP on the forums, also in-game bans. Evading a ban of any sort using a puppet to pursue a previous agenda, is grounds for (although not automatically so) deletion of the nations in question. At least, that's the argument that I would submit to any discussions regarding further measures. ;)

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Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator
Banning someone completely from a forum always goes via the IP which is easy to get around, courtesy of the right proxy. At least, this is how it works on the majority of forums on the internet I think.
Let's make something clear: If we tell you to stay off of our forums, then you are supposed to stay off of our forums. There are different technical implementations of forumbans, but all are supposed to be followed the same way. If any kind of forumban is applied against you, then you are NOT supposed to post on the forums with any of your nations.

Just because something is possible does not mean that it is allowed. Using IP proxys to get around IP bans of any kind (including forumbans) is a violation of NationStates rules, and if we catch you doing it, you will be deleted.

We use an IP ban wherever possible. If we decide to permanently ban someone from NationStates and an IP ban is not possible, then a "Delete-On-Sight" order is issued. That means that any nation that we catch you using is deleted without warning.

Holy panooly: Quit posting on the forums or you will be deleted.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

IDF is allowed to say whatever he wants IC. I once reported CM for saying stuff about the Jews that would get some people in jail for inciting racial hatred. However, the mods didn't do anything because you are allowed to post whatever you want IC.
What country do you live in? In America, you are allowed to speak hate speech cause its constitutionally protected.

What country do you live in? In America, you are allowed to speak hate speech cause its constitutionally protected.
There is a rule against publically inciting racial hatred. You're allowed to think whatever you want in the privacy of your own home but you're not allowed to go shouting out racist remarks in the streets. For the record I live in Israel but the rule is in England.
Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that on NS you're allowed to post whatever you want IC because its just RPing. At least thats how I understood it from Cogitation when I reported CM so nothing happened to him (at least I think nothing happened to him but Myrth's got me confused.

There is a rule against publically inciting racial hatred. You're allowed to think whatever you want in the privacy of your own home but you're not allowed to go shouting out racist remarks in the streets. For the record I live in Israel but the rule is in England.
Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that on NS you're allowed to post whatever you want IC because its just RPing. At least thats how I understood it from Cogitation when I reported CM so nothing happened to him (at least I think nothing happened to him but Myrth's got me confused.
Except that NS is a privately owned site. The owner makes the rules which are defacto law on the site.

Regarding in-character posting of racist content.

Some in-character role play racism is tolerable, BUT if there are complaints and/or a Moderator examining the matter decides that the racism in question is gratuitous and intended as provocation of flames rather than legitimate RP, the poster WILL be dealt with.

IC racism in RP is walking on a fine line, do not assume there is any automatic immunity.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Regarding in-character posting of racist content.

Some in-character role play racism is tolerable, BUT if there are complaints and/or a Moderator examining the matter decides that the racism in question is gratuitous and intended as provocation of flames rather than legitimate RP, the poster WILL be dealt with.

IC racism in RP is walking on a fine line, do not assume there is any automatic immunity.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator
So how come nothing happened to CM when I reported him?

I do not believe I am familiar with that case, so can't really comment.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

So how come nothing happened to CM when I reported him?
I vaguely remember the case. Remember the "fine line" Tactical Grace was talking about? As I recall, Communist Mississippis roleplay was determined as being actual roleplay.

Keep in mind that this sort of thing is subject to Moderator discretion and judgement.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Except that NS is a privately owned site. The owner makes the rules which are defacto law on the site.

The site is hosted in the UK, therefore American laws don't apply and UK laws do. Just for the record. However you are responsible for what you post, not Nationstates. If what you do is illegal in your country or banned by Nationstates ToS, then you could very well be held to account. So please keep that in mind.

Stephanie
Game Moderator