NationStates Jolt Archive

By Guffingford (aka Holy Panooly)

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7209037&posted=1#post7209037

posts #40, #43, #46

Merely the latest in a long line of the same.

By Guffingford (aka Holy Panooly)

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7209037&posted=1#post7209037

Merely the latest in a long line of the same.

Please add all the arrogance and ignorance from your side and then the mods can form an objective view of the discussion. Oh yeah a flame is a personal attack so this title makes no sense.

Please add all the arrogance and ignorance from your side and then the mods can form an objective view of the discussion.

Oh, you're kidding. You did this in the moderation forum?

Oh, you're kidding. You did this in the moderation forum?

Oh please Vastiva, like I'm the only naughty boy here. You're trying to stirr up another pointless discussion. You started it with your list of people to avoid. Yeah, calling me a "Rotten RPer" isn't a personal attack right? Notice how I started "flaming" after you said that.

If you don't both knock it off, you'll both be heading to the nation generation page.

Is that clear? I'm sick of seeing you two constantly complaining about each other. You obviously can't handle dealing with each other, so stop trying. I don't want anymore threads with one of you complaining about the other. Stay out of each others' threads.

Seriously, there's plenty of threads in NationStates. I'm sure you can find ways to amuse youselves other than sniping at each other and then coming and complaining to us.

- The Most Glorious Hack
NationStates Game Moderator

This has been posted before in Scandavian States thread about me being HP/Guffingford. Crucible ended in serious drama thanks to both parties. Say if you hate me and I won't even call the mods, feel free to flame me. I don't care. Just don't draw other people into it. Exactly the same situation requires an exactly the same reply.

Oh please Vastiva, like I'm the only naughty boy here. You're trying to stirr up another pointless discussion. You started it with your list of people to avoid. Yeah, calling me a "Rotten RPer" isn't a personal attack right? Notice how I started "flaming" after you said that.

I have a great idea. I'm going to leave this to the moderators to decide rather then replying any further to you.

*click*

Guffingford has been forum-banned for two weeks. Would all parties please let the matter drop now.

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Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Yeah... Stirring up rumours about a list of people to avoid and calling people Rotten certainly is a good way of discussing. Guffingford has been banned because he used foul language, fine I can live with that. Certainly Vastiva also had his fair share of being rude :rolleyes:

When someone is forum banned, does that mean that just the nation in question is banned or the player and all their nations?

When someone is forum banned, does that mean that just the nation in question is banned or the player and all their nations?

Apparantly, only Guffingford's forumaccount is banned. I can still acces the nation Guffingford, my nation and my forumaccount.

There are different ways of doing it, banning a specific forum account, or a blanket-ban of an IP on the forums, also in-game bans. Evading a ban of any sort using a puppet to pursue a previous agenda, is grounds for (although not automatically so) deletion of the nations in question. At least, that's the argument that I would submit to any discussions regarding further measures. ;)

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Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Thanks, TG, for the clarification! :)

There are different ways of doing it, banning a specific forum account, or a blanket-ban of an IP on the forums, also in-game bans. Evading a ban of any sort using a puppet to pursue a previous agenda, is grounds for (although not automatically so) deletion of the nations in question. At least, that's the argument that I would submit to any discussions regarding further measures. ;)

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Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Banning someone completely from a forum always goes via the IP which is easy to get around, courtesy of the right proxy. At least, this is how it works on the majority of forums on the internet I think.

Banning someone completely from a forum always goes via the IP which is easy to get around, courtesy of the right proxy. At least, this is how it works on the majority of forums on the internet I think.

Yes, and once they see someone posting around an IP ban, they get DEATed. :rolleyes:

Yes, and once they see someone posting around an IP ban, they get DEATed. :rolleyes:

That's irrelevant when you have an endless supply of proxies. Anonymous proxies are nearly impossible to be recognized as proxy. vBulletin3 can't detect them automaticly thus you can come back forever. By the way, spotting a nation getting around an IP-ban thru a proxy is very difficult, since vBulletin logs the actual proxy IP in our case. Unless the person posts when he turned it off, the alarmbells won't toll.

HP, I think you're missing the point, if a nation is DEATed, continues to violate bans and comes back, that nation is trespessing and can be tried in court if he/she doesn't cease and desist.

HP, I think you're missing the point, if a nation is DEATed, continues to violate bans and comes back, that nation is trespessing and can be tried in court if he/she doesn't cease and desist.

UK or USA or whatever law a nation has doesn't apply on every nation. Bestiality for example, is a punishable offense in lots of countries but not in The Netherlands or Denmark. If someone from the USA decides to buy Danish hosting to host his adventures with horses and sheep he may be punished for having such pictures, but the hoster keeps hosting it because 1) He/she lives in Denmark and 2) isn't tied to US law. Same thing with NationStates.

Same thing with NationStates.

Wrong.

Wrong.

Please elaborate. NationStates is hosted in the UK but I don't live in the UK and my ISP doesn't care as long as I pay them every month.

Please elaborate.

Do a search yourself for nations who have evaded a DoS order; I do believe NWV is the latest to do so. Sal has enumerated more than once that legal action can be taken from trespessing on the internet regardless of the domain's country and the user's country.

You know, I was threatened with legal action myself due to my internet behavior. Three times to be exactand guess what? Nothing happened. What I have done isn't part of the discussion but believe me, it's not like you can just sue everybody on the internet who doesn't listen to a ToS. I even know people who DOSSed entire sites without getting sued. You must know basic personal information like the persons name, location, adress, telephone number, legel representation etc. I bet the NationStates administration can only get hold of my ISP and IP. Because I know for a fact, they do not give our personal information. Not even to law enforcement agencies.

Because I know for a fact, they do not give our personal information. Not even to law enforcement agencies.

If a law enforcement agency has a warrant, they can get whatever information on anyone they want to do.

I'm tired of arguing with you, because I'm right, and you're wrong, simple as that.

If a law enforcement agency has a warrant, they can get whatever information on anyone they want to do.

I'm tired of arguing with you, because I'm right, and you're wrong, simple as that.

Can't convince someone of your right so you quit? Childish. Anyway, you don't know how my ISP works so I don't blame you.

That's irrelevant when you have an endless supply of proxies. Anonymous proxies are nearly impossible to be recognized as proxy. vBulletin3 can't detect them automaticly thus you can come back forever. By the way, spotting a nation getting around an IP-ban thru a proxy is very difficult, since vBulletin logs the actual proxy IP in our case. Unless the person posts when he turned it off, the alarmbells won't toll.

We have other methods of keeping users off this website. Your computer gives out far more information than just its IP.

You should also be aware that such abuse is a violation of most ISP's Terms of Service. The only reason the Michael Jackson spammer wasn't booted off his ISP was because Telstra routed all customers through a single proxy, so it was impossible to trace. With you, I can view and log every single IP you've ever logged into this site from, together with login times.
With this information, your ISP would be legally obligated to terminate your account if you were to break their ToS. If they don't, their provider will shut off service.
Why do you think Telstra changed their entire network architecture as a result of the Michael Jackson spammer?

We have other methods of keeping users off this website.

You should also be aware that such abuse is a violation of most ISP's Terms of Service. The only reason the Michael Jackson spammer wasn't booted off his ISP was because Telstra routed all customers through a single proxy, so it was impossible to trace. With you, I can view and log every single IP you've ever logged into this site from, together with login times.
With this information, your ISP would be legally obligated to terminate your account if you were to break their ToS.

Of course you have other methods. But the funny part is, my ISP doesn't care. Their acceptable use policy only applies to the chatservers and forums they have in their possession, there is no talk about any third party.

It's always nice to see someone I dislike flame out :cool:

That's not the point, Myrth, is making; Myrth is trying to tell you that your ISP is legally obliged to keep you from entering this site if you are banned from it.

Axis Nova Popped in to add this to the conversation:
This post makes no sense
Was it really necessary to say that? :rolleyes:

@ Tuesday Heights, my ISP isn't tied to any rules laid down by others. Their job is to provide me with internet. I pay €50 per month to use internet, not to let them play online cop. It's also impossible to monitor the traffic of every customer. Only childporn and the worst cases of internet abuse (spreading virii, trojans, mail bombs, DDOS attacks) are forwarded to law enforcement and it's their job to investigate. This is not a fairy tale.

Somewhere up the line, someone has to care. If not your ISP, then theirs.
This thread has served its purpose. Evading a ban will result in immediate deletion. Continued abuse results in a full IP ban.