NationStates Jolt Archive

From the U.N Intelligence committee:
"World Space Week Act" was already deleted once for violating UN rules. You have chosen to ignore this and resubmitted it in exactly the same for with exactly the same violation. Since you insist on proposing against the rules, you have been removed from the UN.

My second proposal entitled "World Space Week Act" was re worded to conform with NS U.N rules, and removed any mention of real world politics or resolutions, it was a completely honest mistake, not a flagrant disregard for the rules. I am hopeful that I can be admitted back to the U.N
Don't punish the innocent players for honest mistakes.

From the U.N Intelligence committee:
"World Space Week Act" was already deleted once for violating UN rules. You have chosen to ignore this and resubmitted it in exactly the same for with exactly the same violation. Since you insist on proposing against the rules, you have been removed from the UN.

My second proposal entitled "World Space Week Act" was re worded to conform with NS U.N rules, and removed any mention of real world politics or resolutions, it was a completely honest mistake, not a flagrant disregard for the rules. I am hopeful that I can be admitted back to the U.N
Don't punish the innocent players for honest mistakes.

Worst case, you as a player can return. I remember when the delegate for a large region (nationstates) was deleted for some sort of violation, and I was surprised to see that he was again the UN delegate of the same large region, but with a new nation name. My point, players tend to stick around even after their nations get deleted.

Now, do you have copies of the text of the old and new versions? I remember seeing one version that mentioned Spudnik (sp?). Personally, the reference didn't bother me since it happened so long ago. But I'm not a moderator, so my opinion has little value here. But it is possible that you accidently resubmitted your original version.

I've made boneheaded typos, like the time I accidently repealed a resolution that I was using as the justification for repealing another resolution! Whooops! :( Fortunately the mods were fast to delete my mistake when I checked my mistake.

The only advise I have is, after you submit a proposal or repeal, go back and look it over. If you can find the mistake *first*, because mistakes happen, and then request it be deleted that might be a show of good faith on your part.

Best wishes!
-10kMichael

If there is a next time :( I lost the delegacy and 12 endorsements.

It truly was not my intention to anger the General Assembly or the mods in general, I just hope things can be rebuilt.

Hmmm.. it seems harsh to me that you were banned from the UN, due to posting the same proposal only twice, though it's not up to me by a long shot. I'm sure the mod's know what they are doing ;)

Anyway, if you have copies of both versions of your proposal, then that is really the only thing you can do, even then, that is a long shot as well, as either may be edited for purpose of unbanning you. UN bans tend to stick, pretty much all the time.

I did not keep copies of the proposal, I have no problem having all of my proposals removed, although I did feel I shouldn't have been banned from the U.N where do I go to tell the mods this won't happen again?

I'm sure they'll read this thread at some point, then the message will show. Though on a game like this, words mean little, actions mean everything.

I did not keep copies of the proposal, I have no problem having all of my proposals removed, although I did feel I shouldn't have been banned from the U.N where do I go to tell the mods this won't happen again?

Well, I think never is a long time. But in the future, when writing a proposal, post it in the UN as a DRAFT first. Mods can see if you've edited the file, and it will be time stamped.

Also keep copies in MS Word. You can still grab the wrong file, but at the very least your chances of error will be less.

Are you considering playing NS2 when it comes out? If you keep Captain Wes Industries alive til then, you'll probably get UN status with CWI again.

I know this is not a solution I would be happy with. :(

I've said it before (and many people hate this idea), but I feel good faith boneheaded warnings should be deleted after a year. Even that sounds like a long time, but my guess is that you didn't change whatever it was that the mods felt you needed to change. Having made a similar error, sometimes I think the Voice-of-Mod is too vague, and I can easily see how you made a second mistake.

I don't know what was done, but if your proposal was the one referencing Spudnik (sp?), I honestly felt it was in good spirits and I really do feel sorry for your situation (I was there early Sep.).

All that said, I would like to again ask that the moderation team *discuss in private* the idea about someday in the future cleaning the slate of some of our warnings. Neo England is right ... actions should mean something, and I think some players have demostrated that they are trying to follow the rules.

Hmmm...
If you submitted the proposal, did it by chance have a thread in the UN section of the forums?
If so, someone may have copied/pasted the original proposal.
If you updated that thread, or began a new one after reposting, then both may be there.

To me, it looks like you should wait for a Mod to clear the air for you.

When I deleted World Space Week the first time, it was because you used Real World events as the justification for the dates in your proposal. When it was resubmitted, they were still there. In fact, I could see no difference at all between the two "versions".

Had you simply eliminated those two mentions, there would have been no problems. When I deleted your proposal the first time, I told you that since the events you mentioned did not exist in NationStates, it had to be deleted. That seems to be a pretty clear indication that when resubmitting, the references should be removed.

Normally, two violations would not result in an ejection. However, since the first was deleted on the 5th, and the second on the 6th, and since there appeared to be no difference between the two, the schedule was stepped up, as it appeared, to me, that you were simply ignoring the previous ruling.

Normally, two violations would not result in an ejection. However, since the first was deleted on the 5th, and the second on the 6th, and since there appeared to be no difference between the two, the schedule was stepped up, as it appeared, to me, that you were simply ignoring the previous ruling.

Or he simply forgot that he submitted the previous one, and simply tried it again. Somehow it looks like a honest mistake to me. The only thing I don't get is why he didn't check his TG box. :headbang:
This is one of the reasons why I never create proposals. Far to complicated, and the risk of losing UN status doesn't weigh up to the benefits. I have the highest respect for the UN members who still submit proposals under these circumstances.

Or he simply forgot that he submitted the previous one, and simply tried it again. Somehow it looks like a honest mistake to me. The only thing I don't get is why he didn't check his TG box.

No, he did. Otherwise he wouldn't have been able to delete the telegram I sent the first time.

No, he did. Otherwise he wouldn't have been able to delete the telegram I sent the first time.

Gotcha :p

When I deleted World Space Week the first time, it was because you used Real World events as the justification for the dates in your proposal. When it was resubmitted, they were still there. In fact, I could see no difference at all between the two "versions".

Had you simply eliminated those two mentions, there would have been no problems. When I deleted your proposal the first time, I told you that since the events you mentioned did not exist in NationStates, it had to be deleted. That seems to be a pretty clear indication that when resubmitting, the references should be removed.

Normally, two violations would not result in an ejection. However, since the first was deleted on the 5th, and the second on the 6th, and since there appeared to be no difference between the two, the schedule was stepped up, as it appeared, to me, that you were simply ignoring the previous ruling.


I don't have a copy of the proposal at hand, but I remember flipping by it while on my telegram campaign.

For the rest of us, was one of the two references the date of the week that the Space Week was to be observed? I can't remember if the proposal included that or not, but I have a vague memory that there was a proposal that looked to me that by the time it would reach the UN floor, its "window" of implementation would have already passed for 2004. *shrug*

Based on the U.N's response, it is unlikely they are going to rectify it. Whatever interest I had in paying for NS2 is gone now, and I'll probably return Barry's book to the bookstore, even though I thoroughly enjoyed it.

You're going to be a sore player because the mods did their job?

They are generally anal about this kind of thing. I mean, I got a warning for shit someone else did. :rolleyes: there is no such thiong as justice here unless you're being flamed.

They are generally anal about this kind of thing. I mean, I got a warning for shit someone else did. :rolleyes: there is no such thiong as justice here unless you're being flamed.

Then, appeal; don't hijack this thread to try and paint a false picture of what the mods do and do not do.

Based on the U.N's response, it is unlikely they are going to rectify it. Whatever interest I had in paying for NS2 is gone now, and I'll probably return Barry's book to the bookstore, even though I thoroughly enjoyed it.

That's too bad. Rules are rules, and you can always re-apply to the UN. Bookstores don't normally let you return used books, btw. ;)

That's too bad. Rules are rules, and you can always re-apply to the UN. Bookstores don't normally let you return used books, btw. ;)

They do when you bought it with a credit card and returned it in new condition.

As for re applying to the UN:
United Nations
Received: unknown Unforunately, after due consideration, the UN has been forced to reject your application to become a UN member. This is because your nation has been banned by the United Nations for past breaches of rules.

I realize NS is a free game, but I did spend considerable time getting to where I was, as well as US$19.95 on "Jennifer Government" in support of NS and Max Barry. This seems to be an overly harsh punishment for a simple error. It was not malicious or intended to irritate/annoy the mods.

I've heard about a simstates or something similar/superior to NS.

First, congratulations on buying Jennifer Government. It's a good book, and I'm quite thrilled with my (1st Edition hardcover) copy of it, and my copy of Syrup. Max certainly appretiates the $0.15 or so in royalties he got from our purchases.

If you wish to return the book, that's your choice. I fail to see how that is exactly relevant, but if you want to get rid of a good book because of events on a game, well, que sera sera.

As for your rejection by the UN, that's how it works. When a nation is ejected, it is also banned from rejoining (otherwise a UN ejection would be a mild irritant, if that). However, you, the player, are not banned. You may make another nation (or use a preexisting nation that you've created) to join the UN.

Minor point. Returning the book will not hurt anyone but the bookstore. Royalty checks are not like commission, they don't go negative.