NationStates Jolt Archive

I was removed from the UN for breaching the UN Multi rule, according to the TG I recieved not long ago. I have never nor would I ever participate in UN Multing. I have two nations, one which ceased to exist long ago and was never a UN member, and my main nation of Tryanny which had its UN membership revoked. No one has access to my computer other then me, is this a glitch, because I've been playing for like a year now and have had one UN nation the whole time. Please tell me whats going on

That is very unusual. It's most likely a glitch. But, let's wait to see what the mods say.

Do you access NationStates from a public computer (school, library, etc), or do you live with anyone else who plays NS? Any computer that has been accessed by another UN player, even once or twice, could trigger a multi finding.

It doesn't even need to be the same computer. The programs most likely checks for IP addresses. Many networks have one IP address for all computers on that network.

That is very unusual. It's most likely a glitch. But, let's wait to see what the mods say.

There is no glitch that I am aware of that spontaneously bans a nation from the UN.

No, its my own personal laptop. I have no siblings and my parents don't use computers, so I still don't see how this could have happened. Does this mean I'm banned from the UN? Cause that would be bad. I've been playing this game for a long time now and know this game is completely unfun without UN membership

You can always joined the UN with another nation.

You can always joined the UN with another nation.

Your english are no sense is making.

Seems like moderators can't verify if a mistake is made. I can't immagine Tryanny being a multy. He has a very stable IP adress, and if he was a multy, that would have been found out long time ago. He is already more than 4 months in the UN :confused:
Personally I think the glitch has done more damage than we have noticed. I have lost more dan 40 endorsees, who suddenly aren't in the UN anymore :confused:

I was watching the UN page during the bugg yesterday(as I wathced football on tv) And I saw alot of nations getting the boot from the UN. I was amazed that there were so many violations. But perhaps that is the norm I don't know. We will know as more nations ask why they were ejected.

You can always joined the UN with another nation.

That is easy to say, but his nation has a long time reputation in our region. Can a mod please check if a mistake is made. I know Tryanny for a long time now, and he has been our delegate for quite some time, and now he suddenly is a multy? You really must check on this. This can't be right.

I must concur with Carinthe on this one. I have a very well developed reputation within this game and must once again state that I would never dream of doing such a thing as having two UN nations. I don't even see the purpose in all actuality, it seems kind of stupid. I'm just here to enjoy the game, not cause trouble. Please look into this for me, I implore you

It doesn't even need to be the same computer. The programs most likely checks for IP addresses. Many networks have one IP address for all computers on that network.

I believe they can identify one computer from another on a network. As I understand it, each computer relays a different port number, so it's not hard to trace.

I have seen the Moderators verify that makes have been made on numerous occasions. I'm sure if that is the case in this situation, then they will look into it again and let you know.

In the meantime, I believe what Unfree meant by her comment was in reply to yours about the game being no fun without the UN. You can easily make a different nation and play UN games with that instead of your main nation.

I can't do that. I've worked to hard to make a reputation with this nation, far far to hard. I've put entire days of my life into this nation, I've spent hard laborous hours toiling over this keyboard working on making my nation recognizable and respected. Now all that is gone, completely crushed by what has to be an error. All those days and hard hours were for nothing, I've wasted my time and it was fruitless. Its hard to believe that months upon months of work can be lost in a mere moment by something that you would never even really do. I'm not sure I would want to continue with this game at all if I couldn't get my nation reinstated. I mean after so much hard work and toil it would seem stupid to start another nation and put work into if this could just happen again, which it obviously could if its happened to me now.

For the record, I am not the Moderator who originally handled your case.

However, according to the official records, you were deteced as being a former UN multi with "Chronorica" in mid-August. This is why you were ejected.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Multing with Chronorica! That is as absurd as it is unbased and untrue! I'm personal friends with Chronorica, I talk to him on AIM. I'll even give you his SN if you truly wish, and I'll give you mine, we can all have a chat and show you we are not one in the same. We live in entirely differant states, I've never met him in real life, and I would like you to check the IP adresses for Chronorica and Tryanny please. If you do I'm sure you will see this must be a mistake. Would you like me to set up this chat?

The mods have already checked your IP, and trust me that's not the only evidence they used. Their other evidence is just, if not more, damning, and can't be faked like an IP can. Furthermore, there are programs which allow you to be on more than one AIM account at once. Hell, you can just log onto AOL and into AIM seperately, under distinct SNs.

In short, I don't think you're going to win this.

Digging through the records seems to show that someone was logging into Tryanny's account without his knowledge. The UN ban has been lifted.

OPSEC IS EVERYONE'S RESPONSIBILITY! PROTECT YOUR PASSWORDS AND CHANGE THEM FREQUENTLY!

Thank you Karma, for helping me out. I also want to thank Carinthe for being there to back me up, I do appreciate it

I'm only aware of two nations in the history of this game who were ressurrected in spite of being deleted for rules violations.
Better make that three.

This nation was not responsible for the rule violation (or so it seems) so I don't think this one counts Fris.

For the record, I am not the Moderator who originally handled your case.

However, according to the official records, you were deteced as being a former UN multi with "Chronorica" in mid-August. This is why you were ejected.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

WHAT!?!?!?!

Then why take so long as to notice, or take action upon, said violation?

Regardless, as anyone who knows me quite well, knows perfectly well that i would never particiapte in such a dishonest, dishonourable act.

Reagradless, i knwo said incident quite well.

Due to RL issues, tryanny had lent me use of his nation for a short duration.

Due to an order to invade a Warzone, I took tryanny's request at face value, and used his account to move the nation into said warzone.

This entire event is absurd.

if it took a month to discover this fallacy, then why, pray tell, was it not acted upon sooner?

i am aware that you catch first time mutlis rather swiftly...

so, why the month and a half?

i wish to know....
I was only acting out of a friends wishes, and still, the timing, or, lack thereof, is highly curious, and should be investuigated, as a question of merit.

So Tryanny knew you were accessing his nation? Ah, if only that had been revealed earlier.

You must not have been in a region which was multi-scanned, or investigated in any way, since August. As soon as the mods find out about multies, they act. It's not as if they would wait for a month on purpose.

So Tryanny knew you were accessing his nation? Ah, if only that had been revealed earlier.

You must not have been in a region which was multi-scanned, or investigated in any way, since August. As soon as the mods find out about multies, they act. It's not as if they would wait for a month on purpose.


I thino he forgot, chalk that one up to human error.

I did know of his access. It was over a month ago and I though absolutely nothing of it. I do have a real life and said real life made it impossible for me to be on for awhile. During this time, which may I state amounted to the equivalent of one day due to a change in my plan. I went on with my life and subsequentially forgot about it till I talked with Chronorica mere moments ago. The only action even preformed was him moveing me to a new region due to a military operation. There was no subversive nature behind this act, it was merely a friend helping a friend and then one forgetting about it completely. If this means the ban must be reinstated then so be it, you all now know that I am in fact singularly Tryanny and never have been nor never will be Chronorica. If I have to be banned due to this mistake in judgement then so be it, at least the truth has been revealed and my record is clean

I did know of his access. It was over a month ago and I though absolutely nothing of it. I do have a real life and said real life made it impossible for me to be on for awhile. During this time, which may I state amounted to the equivalent of one day due to a change in my plan. I went on with my life and subsequentially forgot about it till I talked with Chronorica mere moments ago. The only action even preformed was him moveing me to a new region due to a military operation. There was no subversive nature behind this act, it was merely a friend helping a friend and then one forgetting about it completely. If this means the ban must be reinstated then so be it, you all now know that I am in fact singularly Tryanny and never have been nor never will be Chronorica. If I have to be banned due to this mistake in judgement then so be it, at least the truth has been revealed and my record is clean

I remember mentioning your UN membership at that time. I really wished you were more careful. Even the best friends can get you into trouble, if they don't act responsible enough.

Hopefully I'm given a second chance to be able to be more careful with.

Wow, talk about not knowing how to quit when you're ahead!

Wow, talk about not knowing how to quit when you're ahead!


Sometimes loyalty to your friends is more important.

There is no point in pointing a finger, and I dont see how this is a breach of Un rules.

Since it was a single incident, and, all other access to either acount was from different Ip addresses, It shouldnt be considered a real offense...

should it?

As an interested outsider who's not a mod or anything, I have to say that I don't disagree with the UN ban. But support the reinstatement as a humane gesture.

When you gave control of your nation to another player, even for a minute, it became his nation. Therefore, he had two nations in the UN and the rule was broken. So I think it was a legitimate ban.

If you can't log on, you can't play, so you can't be here to move your nation to another region for whatever the reason was. Having someone else play for you causes problems as you've now learned. Go on vacation mode next time or cease to exist and get resurrected if the timeframe is even longer than vacation mode allows. If you ever do give your nation away temporarily again, take it out of the UN first.

But I hope you get back in because it seems like it would be a nice thing for the mods to allow as long as they don't feel like it would force them to buckle under for other sob stories.

Helpful hints from a player familiar with the NS rules (and paranoid :p):

If you are going to watch a nation for a friend, have him/her withdraw from the UN in advance. Just to be careful, I always file a Getting Help report, letting the Mods know that the nation is now in my possession, and if the information is available, for how long. This ensures that the Mods are fully informed of your situation, and will have no reason to question the changeover if no rules are broken in the process.

You should never give your UN nation to another player and then allow him/her to move it around. That's just asking for trouble.

It seems as though this ban-lift will stand, but these are just some tips for anyone reading who might consider such actions in the future.

Helpful hints from a player familiar with the NS rules (and paranoid :p):

If you are going to watch a nation for a friend, have him/her withdraw from the UN in advance. Just to be careful, I always file a Getting Help report, letting the Mods know that the nation is now in my possession, and if the information is available, for how long. This ensures that the Mods are fully informed of your situation, and will have no reason to question the changeover if no rules are broken in the process.

You should never give your UN nation to another player and then allow him/her to move it around. That's just asking for trouble.

It seems as though this ban-lift will stand, but these are just some tips for anyone reading who might consider such actions in the future.

You are soooo wise :p

Can somebody lock this, before the mods changes their minds? We've leared enough now.

As an interested outsider who's not a mod or anything, I have to say that I don't disagree with the UN ban. But support the reinstatement as a humane gesture.
I'll leave this for Karma to decide.

When you gave control of your nation to another player, even for a minute, it became his nation. Therefore, he had two nations in the UN and the rule was broken. So I think it was a legitimate ban.

If you can't log on, you can't play, so you can't be here to move your nation to another region for whatever the reason was. Having someone else play for you causes problems as you've now learned. Go on vacation mode next time or cease to exist and get resurrected if the timeframe is even longer than vacation mode allows. If you ever do give your nation away temporarily again, take it out of the UN first.
Correct on all counts.

But I hope you get back in because it seems like it would be a nice thing for the mods to allow as long as they don't feel like it would force them to buckle under for other sob stories.
Fortunately, nobody can force us to "buckle under". However, we're not inclined to deal with a surge of "Hey, what about me?!" requests.

Helpful hints from a player familiar with the NS rules (and paranoid :p):

If you are going to watch a nation for a friend, have him/her withdraw from the UN in advance. Just to be careful, I always file a Getting Help report, letting the Mods know that the nation is now in my possession, and if the information is available, for how long. This ensures that the Mods are fully informed of your situation, and will have no reason to question the changeover if no rules are broken in the process.

You should never give your UN nation to another player and then allow him/her to move it around. That's just asking for trouble.
Correct on all counts.

Do not share computers. Do not share UN nations.

One other thing: Checking for UN multis is not completely automatable. It requires human judgement, and therefore human attention. We may not notice multying for a while, but when we do notice it, we will take action.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator