NationStates Jolt Archive

There are already three Repeal the Axis of Evil UN proposals in the proposal list, including (I'm embarrassed to say) one of mine.

I would appreciate it if a Game Mod would delete my duplicate, and perhaps keep an eye on the queue for the next several days. I suspect we're going to see a whole lot more of them.

that's the only resolution i like :(

When loading resolutions, we Game Mods type in a name, and the Mod Center pulls up the first matching proposal. If two or more proposals have exactly the same title, then only the first one can be loaded.

A "Repeal" proposal will auto-generate a title for you, so all repeal attempts of the same resolution will have the same title. I can only delete the first (and therefore, oldest) such proposal.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

A "Repeal" proposal will auto-generate a title for you, so all repeal attempts of the same resolution will have the same title. I can only delete the first (and therefore, oldest) such proposal.
Looks like a bit of additional coding might be needed:

Repeal "Fight the Axis of Evil"
Repeal "Fight the Axis of Evil" [2]
Repeal "Fight the Axis of Evil" [3]

Failing that, I hope that when the first one makes the list, you can delete 2, 3, and the rest in order so we don't end up voting five times to repeal the same repealed proposal.

* sigh *

There's always problems. ;)

When loading resolutions, we Game Mods type in a name, and the Mod Center pulls up the first matching proposal. If two or more proposals have exactly the same title, then only the first one can be loaded.

A "Repeal" proposal will auto-generate a title for you, so all repeal attempts of the same resolution will have the same title. I can only delete the first (and therefore, oldest) such proposal.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

And then search again to find the next oldest ;)

And then search again to find the next oldest ;)
In this case, I want to keep the oldest and ditch the others. :p

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

I'm going to suggest that an informal policy be *discussed* to limit repeals from nations to a few period time period. I'm assuming that since they show up in the proposal queue they count against your current proposal count.

That said, another question: I'd like to submitt my "Good Samaritan Laws" and "Reduce Alcohol Tariffs" proposals. They are completely unrelated, but both have been floating around. Q: How many proposals can I have in the queue at a time?

My thought is, if they are close to each other in the queue, I stand a better chance of getting endorsements. :)

BTW thanks for making repeals possible ... and reformatting the resolution text. I'm going to go back and check if the missing resolution from Stormymilkshake -- Passport harmonisation was added back into the archive. If not, it should be.

I'm going to suggest that an informal policy be *discussed* to limit repeals from nations to a few period time period. I'm assuming that since they show up in the proposal queue they count against your current proposal count.

That said, another question: I'd like to submitt my "Good Samaritan Laws" and "Reduce Alcohol Tariffs" proposals. They are completely unrelated, but both have been floating around. Q: How many proposals can I have in the queue at a time?

My thought is, if they are close to each other in the queue, I stand a better chance of getting endorsements. :)

BTW thanks for making repeals possible ... and reformatting the resolution text. I'm going to go back and check if the missing resolution from Stormymilkshake -- Passport harmonisation was added back into the archive. If not, it should be.
[Red-bold emphasis mine. Block-bold emphasis is the authors.]

First, the sections in red are not making logical sense. Please restate those sentences.

Second, there is no limit on how many good (read "rules-compliant") proposals you may have in the UN at any given time (unless there's something I missed). It's only when you have multiple bad proposals in the docket that you get into trouble.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

[Red-bold emphasis mine. Block-bold emphasis is the authors.]

First, the sections in red are not making logical sense. Please restate those sentences.

Second, there is no limit on how many good (read "rules-compliant") proposals you may have in the UN at any given time (unless there's something I missed). It's only when you have multiple bad proposals in the docket that you get into trouble.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

That actually answered my question. I've always assumed that there was a limit (of 2) proposals in the queue / docket at a time. The justification: any more than that would be flooding the queue.

For example, I have on the tables one Free Trade, one Moral Decency, and one Global Disarmament (co-author current is taking it to bat). And I've got the other half of the deleted proposal (International Security), along with a Gun Control and a the Furtherment of Democracy in the works. ;) It is *hard* to read a daily newspaper and not see these things, and frankly they are a heck of a lot more interesting than spitting out chapters for EIR's/EIS's.

But just to make sure, my question was:

Is it possible to have in the proposal docket / queue any number of proposals / repeals? I'd hate to see a player click repeal on every single resolution. (Fortunately I'm guessing anybody reading this forum is smart enough to realize how dumb an idea that is.)



BTW I looked and noticed that Stormymilkshake's resolution is still missing. I can provide formatted text to any moderator that wants it back. It should be resolution #47 under the current numbering system.

I'd like to ask that resolutions are numbered as they reach the floor and that if a resolution fails or is repealed that its number sticks, but that its record be altered to account for this.

I think it is safe to say that Resolution 1 is gonna bite the dust. But I think the text and that resolution's place in history should be perserved.

I looked and noticed that Stormymilkshake's resolution is still missing. I can provide formatted text to any moderator that wants it back.
Can't we just assume that Passport Harmonisation was the first Repealed Resolution and let it go? I promise to file a repeal on it if it ever shows back up, so why bother?

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Are there going to be guidelines and regulations to repeal proposals, just like there are for UN proposals?

Can't we just assume that Passport Harmonisation was the first Repealed Resolution and let it go? I promise to file a repeal on it if it ever shows back up, so why bother?

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I voted no on the resolution, I don't mind it being repealed or sticking around.

I'm thinking that from a historical point there *is* value in the fact that it passed and others should realize that. Furthermore, if a resolution is repealed, its text should not be deleted, but rather its repeal date and repeal vote outcome should be appended to the resolution.

In the real world the original charter and resolutions from the League of Nations are still stored in most US University Govt. Docs sections (as part of the League of Nations Treaty series).

From a game stand point, Stormymilkshake has just as much a right as your or I at getting his / her 10 kb of fame in the UN resolution archives.

This is a *low* priority though, since the United Nations Association archive will record the history and hopefully with an objective POV.

Besides, I thought it was common knowledge here that I'm a trouble maker and trying to drive the Gods insane.

I've brought that up for discussion among the Admins and Mods.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Are there going to be guidelines and regulations to repeal proposals, just like there are for UN proposals?

Not an answer, just an opinion ...

But since advocates for repeal can a chance to list their reasoning and since the repeals appear to need the same 6% of Delegates to endorse them, I'd argue that they fall into the same rules.

I think a larger issue that us older players need to help the younger nations understand is that amendments are still no-nos (or at least the dialog between Cog and Mypoia in the UN forum would seem to suggest), but that instead the process is two step:

1. Repeal the previous resolution.
2. Proposal a new one w/ new text.

Personally, while this is a lot of work, I think it is actually fair and balanced.

The biggest issue I foresee with repeals are what we are already seeing ... namely that everybody is ready to fire upon the same existing resolutions, without just looking at the other repeals. But it looks like the Mods will take care of duplicate repeals ... and I'll just trust their judgement on this issue. (INSERT THE EARTH SHAKING) Yeah, I really did say that. ;)