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i realy dont want to have to do this publicly but

between 15 and 16 hours ago my main nation us navy nazis was deleated for not heeding a warning

13 hours ago NationStates Moderators For some reason I feel obligated to answer this question. Don't ask me *why* [I'll probably regret it] but here goes: Us navy nazis was deleted because he was using puppet nations to try and get people in trouble for sending him recruitment telegrams. It would have worked, actually, were it not for our timestamps.

What he was doing was creating a new nation, then immediately moving it to his own region which invariably had the same name as the parent nation, with fields filled in with nonsense like'mmmmm' or 'cccc' for regional descriptions, slogans, currency and so forth. In this manner he moved his puppet nation off to his region as fast as possible, so as to be residing in his new region upon receipt of the telegram, "validating" his claims.

Now, I would have probably let this slide if it had only happened once, but he did it again a short while later. I sent warnings to both puppet nations. He did it again the next day, and got his main account deleted as a result. I can't really understand just what purpose this served, but it was my impression that for one reason or another, he was just trying to get people in trouble.

now i have submitted an explanation on the getting help page explaining what had happend over 12 hours ago
in this i included my email which is also my aim name
i would like to start a dialog with the moderators if possable
i have always followed the rules and never intentionly violated any
i respectfully request the mods open a dialog withme

with utmost respect

USNN

Just a question, but where was that note from the mod's quoted from?

the axis

If you did not take notice of warnings, then that's your problem. The mods did give you a second chance and it wasn't taken. 'Spambaiting' is not allowed.

As you had no nation for them to TM, they would have posted it on your regions CH board.

Intentionally trying to get other players to violate the NS rules is a violation of the rules of this site.

i would like to present my evedence to a mod that statement quoted above dose not have all the facts

i would like to present my evedence to a mod that statement quoted above dose not have all the facts

True, we don't, TH and I are merely trying to help out as to why the past events happened. We can only go on what has been presented here.

i never tried to bait any one i thought i was following the rules by repoting tg spam and as the ns time stamps of my log ins last night will show i could not have recived the warning before the finnal offense that got me deleated

Hey, I'm going by the moderator explanation, nothing more, nothing less.

I can see this going off-topic now, and something that won't be good, so I will refrain from posting in this thread again.

how is it going off topic i'm putting up sum evedince in my defence

please i would like to know if any one is even reviewing this

It's only been 13 hours. You'll need to wait for the Moderator who handled your case to reply.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

ok thank you

It was me.

Yes, you got your Telegrams after you moved to your regions. Yes, it is in keeping with the rules to report such violations. Where your problem lies is the fact that you sent in these complaints for telegrams you recieved less than ninety seconds after creating your region. This, coupled with the previously mentioned 'mmmmm' and 'ccccc' or otherwise intentionally hastily added player defined fields, paints a pretty bad picture.

It seemed pretty unlikely to me that recruiters were going to your regions [which, I'll note, were named in every case identically to the puppet nation in question] and sending you TG spam within this ninety second span. Also, on a purely practical basis, it's highly annoying for every other task on our tasklist to be 'i got recruiter spam' from the same person.

Warnings were sent to the first two puppets explaining the offense and indicating that action would be taken against your main account if you did it again. The rest writes itself.

but check the time stamps you mentioned i had not loged on to the nations that the warnings were sent to between the time the warnings were sent to them and the time the last offense occured

if i had seen the warnings i would have never sent in the geting help report

edit for more info

also i have not logged onto any of the three nations involved sence the usnn deleation

Whether you logged in to read the telegrams or not is beside the point. The way I see it, it was a conscious effort in the first place, thus the reading of the pertinent telegrams is not relevant. It's like if you get a warrant for not sending in a fine on time because you didn't bother to move your car after getting a parking ticket.

But, if you'd like for the other moderators to look into it, I'm sure it can be arranged. But I'm inclined to let the deletion stand [obviously, since I was the one that did it :eek: ].

yes i would like further review

Whether you logged in to read the telegrams or not is beside the point. The way I see it, it was a conscious effort in the first place, thus the reading of the pertinent telegrams is not relevant. It's like if you get a warrant for not sending in a fine on time because you didn't bother to move your car after getting a parking ticket.

there was no grace period for the sending of recruitment telegrams that i know of i would like to at least use this to make one
also the fact i did not see them makes all the diffrence
as stated i thought i was following the rules

also there is stuf i would like a privet discussion on
you have my aim and if you don'ti would be more then happy to tg it to you

This will be my only post to this thread,telegrams will be ignored.

A "Captain's Mast" was held and punishment administered to our Navy man.

If he considers the punishment out of proportion to the offense,I suggest he follow the appeals process as outlined in Article 15 of the UCMJ.

Appeals:-
If persons consider their punishment under Article 15 to be unjust or out of proportion to the offense,they may appeal to the next superior authority in the chain of command.The appeal must be made within a reasonable time and promptly forwarded.If the superior authority upholds the appeal,all rights, privileges and property are restored.

DC&H (JAG)

Whether you logged in to read the telegrams or not is beside the point. The way I see it, it was a conscious effort in the first place, thus the reading of the pertinent telegrams is not relevant. It's like if you get a warrant for not sending in a fine on time because you didn't bother to move your car after getting a parking ticket.
but if you had not knowen that you were parked illeagly in the first place and never saw the ticket but would have paid had you seen it
but this also dosn't realy apply due to the fact that your computers can see when i logged on and prove that the warnings were not seen
where as i would not be able to prove to a judge that i did not see a parking ticket

but if you had not knowen that you were parked illeagly in the first place and never saw the ticket but would have paid had you seen it
but this also dosn't realy apply due to the fact that your computers can see when i logged on and prove that the warnings were not seen
where as i would not be able to prove to a judge that i did not see a parking ticket

Now, pay the darn ticket, and move on! :headbang:

Oh, wait a minute. This is not trafic school :confused:

no offenens but this realy dose not help
Now, pay the darn ticket, and move on! :headbang:

Oh, wait a minute. This is not trafic school :confused:

i ask that people refrain from posting here
unless of course they have somthing pertinint to post regarding this case such as a case history that may relate

just wondeing if loging inn to the three nations involved in this insident will erase time stamp evedence i'm sure my issues are building up

I do not know whether mods have backlogs of previous login times which can be used in a manner useful as 'evidence', but do note Melkor already stated it was besides the point anyway...

Whether you logged in to read the telegrams or not is beside the point. The way I see it, it was a conscious effort in the first place, thus the reading of the pertinent telegrams is not relevant. It's like if you get a warrant for not sending in a fine on time because you didn't bother to move your car after getting a parking ticket.

Ballotonia

I do not know whether mods have backlogs of previous login times which can be used in a manner useful as 'evidence', but do note Melkor already stated it was besides the point anyway...



Ballotonia
your not a mod for one
and two as i have stated the logins make all the difrince

I've discussed the matter with a handful of other moderators. The ruling stands.

no offence but after this quote from the nda thread
But just as a side note, how the hell do you get off espousing that "everybody's political point of view should be treated equally?" You're endorsing a group of people that put people in fucking ovens for their beliefs. I'm not passing judgement here, merely pointing out that your missive in this regard is somewhat flawed in premise.


i would realy like to hear the other mods weigh in on this with there own points of view

It is not a matter of political beliefs, but your behavior re: the recruitment telegrams that is at issue. Kindly do not try to make it seem that it is anything more than what it is: dealing with an apparent attempt at entrapping other players and reporting them for spam.

thats the thing it was no where near that
regions were refounded to prevent ana refoundings (see region The Anti Nazi Alliance)
where you need to refound and move on as fast as possable there were wfe's being writen for each region (they would have been simmiler to ana wfe's) but i cant even do that now
also i do want to know if logging in to those nations involved will any evedince to log in time be lost if i have to go up to the next link in this chain of command
and how do i do that

thats the thing it was no where near that
regions were refounded to prevent ana refoundings (see region The Anti Nazi Alliance)
where you need to refound and move on as fast as possable there were wfe's being writen for each region (they would have been simmiler to ana wfe's) but i cant even do that now
also i do want to know if logging in to those nations involved will any evedince to log in time be lost if i have to go up to the next link in this chain of command
and how do i do that


I cannot speak for the technical details of your question, but if you truly feel wronged, you are welcome to e-mail to admin@nationstates.net.

thank you
who should i ask about the tech question
and who was the "handful of other moderators" that this was discused with

It really does not matter. As he said, the ruling stands.

but it dose to me
due tothe fact he akinded this to a real life situation (trafic ticket) i feel i deserve to know the whole jury of your peers thing the defence gets to have a say who is on the jury as well and they do know who they are

This isn't a trial, there is no jury of peers. Using a metaphor isn't grounds for ignoring everything a Moderator(s) says.

Furthermore, ignorance of the rules is no excuse. There are FAQs and stickies devoted to explaining and outlining the rules. If you can't be bothered to read up on what kind of behavior you're expected to maintain, you're going to run afoul of the rules sooner or later.

You used bait-and-switch tactics to try to make people guilty for recruiting in a feeder region. You know that recruiting in a feeder region is not against the rules. Why do you continue to press the point, when the mods have already stated they have proof you received the telegrams while in the feeder regions?

No offence occured. False reports were filed. A nation was deleted for violating the rules by making false allegations. This is a pretty straightforward case.

This isn't a trial, there is no jury of peers. Using a metaphor isn't grounds for ignoring everything a Moderator(s) says.

also i feel that it should be or at least Melkor Unchained not be allowed to handle any more nazi cases that oven quote realy threw any trust i had in him as a mod out the window

Furthermore, ignorance of the rules is no excuse. There are FAQs and stickies devoted to explaining and outlining the rules. If you can't be bothered to read up on what kind of behavior you're expected to maintain, you're going to run afoul of the rules sooner or later.

tg recruitment spam is not permited out side feeder regions
therefore by reporting it i was following the rules to the letter
there is no way for me to have known that i was braking the rules when i commited the so called offence, due to the fact i had not logged in to the nations where the warning tg's were sent at the time it occored
so i guese you could technicly say i was ignorant at that point, but then so were you and every one else that plays except the mods

i read the faq i ask for rules clareafication
i report rules violations from offensive flags to un multi's
from spam to flaming
i have emailed sirocco before to get a rule clerifacation when the swastica part of the faq disaperd and was moved to where you change your flag

now my point of veiw here and i mean no offence but it seems to me that one mod may have made a mistake in sending warning to puppets and not a main nation but then deleating the main nation with out seeing if the warnigs were recived or not and instead of even admiting that s/he may have made a mistake went and got the others to cover his/her back

You used bait-and-switch tactics to try to make people guilty for recruiting in a feeder region. You know that recruiting in a feeder region is not against the rules. Why do you continue to press the point, when the mods have already stated they have proof you received the telegrams while in the feeder regions?

No offence occured. False reports were filed. A nation was deleted for violating the rules by making false allegations. This is a pretty straightforward case.
one the mod stated the tgs were recived after i left the feeder regions
and two by the letter of the law which i have stuck to in this game 100% violations did occure, no false reports were filled and the a nation that did no reporting of these violations was deleated

The mods don't have to alert you that you've been warned. They've asserted in the past that they send telegrams with warnings or post warnings in the forum as a courtesy to players. They're under no obligation to be nice to any of us, least of all those of us who break the rules. If you have a problem with how a specific moderator handled a specific case, they've made it clear you can appeal to the admin. There's no need to drag this out on the forum.

Edit: You stated in your first post that Melkor told you the mods had the timestamps, that no recruiting had taken place outside the feeder region. That sounds like proof no wrongdoing occured to me.

right now all i want is to see what the "handful of other moderators" have to say i would like to have as much evedance and thier oppinunins when i do go to admin

Edit: You stated in your first post that Melkor told you the mods had the timestamps, that no recruiting had taken place outside the feeder region. That sounds like proof no wrongdoing occured to me.
read sentence two of par. two of post one

edit: melkor told me nothing that was on the axis's rmb

read sentence two of par. two of post one

What about it? All it does it detail how you tried to bait and switch recruiters, then report them.

it was not a bait and switch for one thing the purpose of the quick move was to allow me to refound other regions before unfriendlys could
and two it says that i was not in feeder regions when the tgs were recived
now when i send tg recruitment spam i type it up then hit the browser back button and reclick the name of the nation i am about to tg just to make sure they didn't move so i don;t violate the rules

and two it says that i was not in feeder regions when the tgs were recived


In this manner he moved his puppet nation off to his region as fast as possible, so as to be residing in his new region upon receipt of the telegram, "validating" his claims.

Because I can't quote-counter quote, I have entered this text to meet the minimum post length requirements.

what :confused:
look i gotta sleep i need to be upin less then 3 hours

thats the thing it was no where near that
regions were refounded to prevent ana refoundings (see region The Anti Nazi Alliance)
where you need to refound and move on as fast as possable there were wfe's being writen for each region (they would have been simmiler to ana wfe's) but i cant even do that now
also i do want to know if logging in to those nations involved will any evedince to log in time be lost if i have to go up to the next link in this chain of command
and how do i do that

As one of the principals of the Anti Nazi Alliance / Museum Creation Division, I must respond to the claim that Us navy nazis' puppet(s) were engaged in his behavior of spambaiting solely to prevent refoundings of regions before the ANA could.

I find it interesting that he has not listed out the regions in question.
Were he to do this, maybe we can verify the validity of his claim in this regard.

From what I have read previously in this thread, he has already admitted to reporting recruitment spam from nations in which his puppet(s) in question had only minutes earlier shared a region in common where such recruitment telegrams were permitted. However, maybe if United White Front were to list out the regions he supposedly refounded, maybe it can be independently verified that --

a) The region in question was truly refounded in the first place
b) That another nation was attempting to refound any such region near the same time he was

I can tell you that we have attempted 21 region refounds.
All 21 were successful with not so much as an ejection of any nations (all were devoid of nations) or other NS rule violation. Ironically, the region he cites, "The Anti Nazi Alliance" was NOT refounded. Indeed, we did it in response to his old ally (and now DOS player Reichleiter/Puerto Centro) simple FOUNDING of the region "Anti Nazi Alliance" (without the word "The").

United White Front (nee Us navy nazis) --

Reveal the nations you supposedly refounded to block the ANA!

--Brad
The Paradoxical Paradise of Nolaerie
Associate, Museum Creation Division
The Anti Nazi Alliance and KT Museums Networks

this is not what i want to do here also there was a thread on our secure forum off site to right the wfe for these regions which would have inclouded a list and once i get usnn back i will change all my wfe's and on that day i will tg you the list

this is not what i want to do here also there was a thread on our secure forum off site to right the wfe for these regions which would have inclouded a list and once i get usnn back i will change all my wfe's and on that day i will tg you the list

Are we to really believe you when you say that only when you get Us navy nazis back as a nation in NS that you could only then actually post a list of regions that you were trying to refound before the Anti Nazi Alliance could?

:D This is truly laughable!
Anyone can view their offsite forum for verification that Us navy nazis (as well as I might add at least one other deated indeed DOS nation in NS) is very much alive and accessing all areas of their site (including areas the wider public are not able to access):

http://confedempire.proboards32.com/index.cgi

I am certainly not a Mod; but here we have a USNN trying to appeal his court martial with citations to information that he claims would vindicate him -- yet he won't provide it for all to see!

Truly incredible!

--Brad
The Paradoxical Paradise of Nolaerie
Associate, Museum Creation Division
The Anti Nazi Alliance and KT Museums Networks

Nolaerie, you have already stated you are part of that ANA/KT group he was trying to beat to get to regions. Your organizations have been going around taking dead regions and refounding them to keep legitimate users from gaining their own regions. Yes they have free access to a certain point, but a founder that does not share their ideals makes the said region useless to the growing group of users on NS.

Why would UWF give you a list of additional regions to attempt to take over and waste? Your very presence here validates his concerns and actions in refounding regions quickly.

Its a simple case where one player thought he was doing the right thing and a mod reacting to what he thought was wrong. Since the mod already admitted to sending warnings, it is unclear why those warnings didn't go where the player was sure to get it. If his main nation was in danger that is where the warning should have gone. This is my opinion, but I think that would have been the fairer thing to do.

Was he baiting nations? no. Was he reporting nations that send recruiting TG to him after he created a name and refounded a region? Yes. Is this wrong? not according to the rules. You can not send recruiting TGs to people outside a feeder region. Could he have let the said TGs slide? yes. Should he have been deleted for it? no.

Nolaerie, you have already stated you are part of that ANA/KT group he was trying to beat to get to regions...

I never stated anything of the sort. I am apart of the Anti Nazi Alliance/KT Museums Creation Division. But I had no idea I or other ANA/KT group members were in competition at any particular time when "(Us navy nazis or puppets) were trying to beat to get to regions."

The very charge United White Front (aka Us navy nazis) raises about the ANA is the very reason I have responded to this thread in the first place. I don't believe further, we were in competition during the time frame he was cited for spambaiting. That is why I suggested that he reveal the regions he cites as being refounded. That evidence then can determine whether or not we were even in competition!

Your organizations have been going around taking dead regions and refounding them to keep legitimate users from gaining their own regions. Yes they have free access to a certain point, but a founder that does not share their ideals makes the said region useless to the growing group of users on NS...

Yes, we have been going around and refounding regions that had already been made devoid of nations on their own accord. In order to justly refound such regions under NS game rules, they must be "dead". Further, the regions can only become such in my reading of NS rules only when the nations that were in them left the region voluntarily or the nations once there ceased to exist.

...refounding them to keep legitimate users from gaining their own regions...

VERY untrue. You already admit that the regions were "dead" and devoid of nations. Hence in our eyes they have been abandoned and open for museum development.

Take a look at any of the regions we have proclaimed as museums. Not a single one of them has password requirements! (Not that having pwp wouldn't be illegal under NS rules in any case for any region with a legitimate (re)founder). All such regions are open for habitation by active nations and all of them have active nations -- Otherwise they could not exist!

I suggest that The Confederate Empire should re-read NS rules and the game's very opening introduction. Expressing political ideals is a central hallmark of this game! Our ANA/KT museums do just that -- whether displaying to the (NS) world that Nazism, fascism or white supremacy is history we should not repeat (see for example NAZI AXIS, Fascist Union or KKK regions); or in the case of several regions, spotlighting former NS players known for wanton rulebreaking (see for example The SAOP region).

Why would UWF give you a list of additional regions to attempt to take over and waste? Your very presence here validates his concerns and actions in refounding regions quickly...

My very presence here responding to this thread was only to respond to United White Front's assertion that he was engaged in his quick movements because of the ANA. I believe that NS Moderation already has spoken very clearly with regards to Us navy nazis rulebreaking. I do not appreciate having my alliance cited as a reason or an enabler for NS rule breaking.

It seems obvious to me that United White Front (aka Us navy nazis) just is grasping at straws so as not to face his judicial punishment for violating NS rules. Spambaiting is an offense that subjects one to deletion. I wonder if he ever gave a second thought to the fates of the nations he reported for recruitment spamming (that they could be deleted themselves). I think not.
Indeed, I would think that trying to bait another nation as a rule breaker is itself a violation of NationStates rules.

As noted previously in this NS Moderation thread, he was given two warnings before his deletion. It seems unfortunate that this puppeteer named Us navy nazis lost track of what his puppets were doing.

This is not a case of a wooden puppet becoming alive beyond his master --
Unless of course, if its nose is growing!

--Brad
The Paradoxical Paradise of Nolaerie
Associate, Museum Creation Division
The Anti Nazi Alliance and KT Museums Networks

Was he baiting nations? no. Was he reporting nations that send recruiting TG to him after he created a name and refounded a region? Yes. Is this wrong? not according to the rules. You can not send recruiting TGs to people outside a feeder region. Could he have let the said TGs slide? yes. Should he have been deleted for it? no.

Was he baiting nations? Debatable. Evidence [that you can't see, incidentally] strongly points to "yes."

Was he reporting nations that send recruiting TG to him after he created a name and refounded a region? Yes. Many times.

Is this wrong? not in and of itself. Under the circumstances, yes, it was rather annoying and seemed to display a willingness to incriminate random people. Almost every other damn task on our list for like three days was "i got a recruitment telegram look into this please" from the same person.

Could he have let the said TGs slide? yes, and he probably should have considering that they were sent less than two minutes after he moved to his region.

Should he have been deleted for it? No, not for the first two or three times. Did he keep doing it? Yes. You'll note I let it slide the first few times.

Nolaerie I don't need to read the rules for anything. I havn't said you were breaking a rule. I am saying those regions are being wasted. Simple as that. Whatever validations you make up for them will not change that.

Also, your refounding list validates his concern about what happens to Nazi/KKK/Fascist regions that cease to exist for whatever reason. That in itself puts your organization in competition with true users.


As for you Melkor, I thank you for responding to my thoughts. Yes I can not see the evidence, but I do know he was refounding regions not just creating a way to report recruiting spam. So since I do know that part it does help create a fair assumption that he was not baiting. His reports are a by product of what he was doing, which was securing fascist related regions from ANA.

You did let it slide a little, but by not informing his main nation, a nation that was at risk do to what you perceived as wrong doing. He was left completely uninformed of the warning which he wouldn't have expected since he was working within the rules. I know you do not have to warn that nation, at least that what others have said. But I feel that would have been the best way to handle it, the trouble would have resolved itself without a need to delete anything. A deletion should be a last case action. This is my opinion, but I think it is the fairest thing to do for any player in this game.

Does this thread really need to go on? The request was already denied; I now request a lock.

Does this thread really need to go on? The request was already denied; I now request a lock.
Agreed. Many threads need locking due to questions being answered, but this one more than most.

Nazi Deutschland Axis II
World Factbook Entry: Refounded by the Anti Nazi Alliance Sept.25, 2004

See affiliated museums in:
Fascist Reich, The Hapsburg Empire, KKK, Nazi North America, Nazi Aryan Deutschland Axis, Das Nazi Bezirke des Uberarier, Fascist Europe, Late Night Raiders, The Doomsday Alliance, The SAOP, The Puppets, NAZI AXIS, Nazi Russia, The SS, Fascist Amerika, Nazi Rules, Subhumans Who Love Nazism, The United Fascist Empire, Fascist Union, Vodka Land.



UN Delegate: None.

Founder: The Republic of Freedom1 Again

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Regional Happenings
2 hours ago: The Holy Empire of Nazi Deutschland Axis2 arrived from The Rejected Realms.
4 hours ago: The Paradoxical Paradise of Nolaerie departed this region for Imperial Europe
4 hours ago: The Republic of Freedom1 Again updated the World Factbook entry.
5 hours ago: The Republic of Freedom1 Again barred UN Delegate access to Regional Control.
5 hours ago: The Republic of Freedom1 Again updated the World Factbook entry.
5 hours ago: The Paradoxical Paradise of Nolaerie arrived from First Reich of Der Fuhrer.
5 hours ago: The Republic of Freedom1 Again arrived from The East Pacific.
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5 hours ago The Paradoxical Paradise of Nolaerie Nice job -- At last check this refounding makes NDA II our 21st Museum region :)

Such as it was, what follows is the record of lfe that was in this region:
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Nazi Deutschland Axis II

World Factbook Entry:
Welcome to Nazi deutschland axis II. This is not a role play region, and I have made it so there is no way that we will be "invaded". Also if anyone is trying to file a complaint to the mods because of the deletion of the nation Nazi deutschland axis or anything else, consider it pointless, because the mods find it acceptable for people to abuse us.

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Founder: The Axis of Vincent B

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# Nation UN Category Motto
1. The Axis of Vincent B Father Knows Best State "It's only stealing if you get caught"

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* 10 hours ago: The Axis of Vincent B departed this region for NAZI EUROPE
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* 1 day ago: The Fascist Lands of Power and War departed this region for Communist Paradise
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* 2 days ago: The Fascist Lands of Power and War arrived from The Rejected Realms.
* 2 days ago: The Axis of Vincent B arrived from Sparta.
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2 days ago The Fascist Lands of Power and War
Well here I am, I am disgusted im the unfairness of the so called "mighty" mods. They felt like they really had to do something so hell why not delete one of the greatest nations in the whole friggen NS world. The only think I can think of worse than this is if Kerry wins the election.

2 days ago The Axis of Vincent B
The mods are fools for doing what they did. I bet they even helped plan the "invsion". It's pretty sad. The only thing is the regular NDA is password protected so there is no way I can get the info of this region ot everyone in theother region. As for the election, neither Bush or Kerry will be a good president. They both change their ideas to the flow of the wind and will probablyt screw up their four year term.

1 day ago The Fascist Lands of Power and War
I'm still for Bush. I still can't get over what happened. I may leave for a while, but I'll be back.
5 hours ago The Republic of Freedom1 Again another successful refound for the ANA...

Watch us continue to grow!
5 hours ago The Republic of Freedom1 Again this makes refound # 23!
:)
4 hours ago The Paradoxical Paradise of Nolaerie Ah very true -- especially when we consider helping in the refounding of Imperial Europe :)

btw, anyone interested in following two good threads in NS Moderation Forum about recent events relating to both the origin of this region under Vincent B; and comments about our ANA / KT Museums, see the following threads respectively --

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=359347
Nazi Deutschland Axis deleted

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=359117
request for an open dialog
4 hours ago The Paradoxical Paradise of Nolaerie I've got to return to math class -- with this region this makes 24 regions refounded with this region being as you said correctly our 23rd Museum :)
2 hours ago The Holy Empire of Nazi Deutschland Axis2 Hello :-)



this is why i refound regions to stop or at least check this

this is why i refound regions to stop or at least check this

Other people are allowed to refound regions, too. You're not the only one. Once again, I respectfully ask for a lock to this thread as the original question has been answered and now we're in a debate over refouding regions and what-not... :rolleyes:

yes but if nations of a white nationalist type moved to say the kkk for example and elected a delagate and changed the wfe they would be ejected threfore a white nationalist movement would be put down in a region bearing a white nationalist name