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I am a native of NI, victories another native and all other natives can vouch for that. I've been in the region for a very long time, and was in Northern Ireland 2 on official NI business for a few months. I was ejected by an invader "My warrior puppet", who has griefed the region and booted out several other invaders. I am a native and was booted, as per rules this is not allowed as i've seen those very rules enforced yesterday against the invader "galaxian". I have not been taken off the ban list.

Our entire board was taken over and spammed/griefed by this latest invasion group, some natives booted and not taken off the ban list, and I know the rules about booting en masse filling up the comings and goings of the regions and this also happened. I ask that the same justice be served as has been yesterday when galaxian lost un status and victories taken off the ban list. thank you

from what i know, he only kicked the invaders, gimme a sec and i'll dig up some xmls.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=354111

i reported a griefing incident not too long ago, and we posted some xmls in that thread..
don't see your name, maybe i'm looking wrong?

Nations in Northern Ireland on 10 September:
<NATIONS>who_is_da_daddy:ultimatia:delger:legionnaires:boardmills:the_nira:
eldin:street_fighting_men:purple_rangers:daltwood:bicknacre_forever:st_mattingale:
benfields:will_scarlett:the_navigator:slaget_12:braggy:cygreenwood:greyunderland:
victories:uhmereeka:the_final_circle:cu_mara:fallen_devils:robin_williams_is_god:
azurania:warrenstin:greymir:vanilla_defender:donthoran:samuelharvey:sorakan:
satans_angels:korenyl:blue_green_army:essalieyan</NATIONS>
<DELEGATE>victories</DELEGATE>
Nations in Northern Ireland on 17 September around 2135GMT:
<NATIONS>who_is_da_daddy:ultimatia:delger:boardmills:the_nira:eldin:
street_fighting_men:purple_rangers:daltwood:bicknacre_forever:st_mattingale:
benfields:will_scarlett:the_navigator:slaget_12:braggy:cygreenwood:
greyunderland:uhmereeka:the_final_circle:cu_mara:fallen_devils:
robin_williams_is_god:azurania:greymir:vanilla_defender:donthoran:
samuelharvey:blue_green_army:essalieyan:galaxian:torn_jeans:davinci_code:
the_flag_ship:ayasha:glenravel_2:female_unity:feindsburough:
our_white_america:invaders_united:4moreyears:lindblum_grand_castle:
moogistan:celtic_tribal_peoples:lickthepavement:semeridon:muldoon:
deepish_mood:elemosinarius:chai-latte:nohuwak:victories:another_day_dawning:
--discordia--</NATIONS>
I noticed that other invaders were starting to trickle in.
Now the XML just before I ejected the invaders:
who_is_da_daddy:ultimatia:delger:boardmills:the_nira:eldin:street_fighting_men:purple_rangers:
daltwood:bicknacre_forever:st_mattingale:benfields:will_scarlett:the_navigator:slaget_12:braggy:
cygreenwood:greyunderland:uhmereeka:the_final_circle:cu_mara:fallen_devils:robin_williams_is_god:
azurania:greymir:vanilla_defender:donthoran:samuelharvey:blue_green_army:essalieyan:galaxian:
torn_jeans:davinci_code:the_flag_ship:ayasha:glenravel_2:female_unity:feindsburough:
our_white_america:invaders_united:4moreyears:lindblum_grand_castle:moogistan:celtic_tribal_peoples:
lickthepavement:semeridon:muldoon:deepish_mood:elemosinarius:chai-latte:nohuwak:victories:
another_day_dawning:--discordia--:my_warrior_puppet:bawlmer:zandra:defaultia:bullrathe
:dale_miller:green_ninja_turtles:warrenstin:arnarchotopia:neotheamazingswordsman:tetrapolis:
scorching_riffs:ittl:rumpelstilzchen:remlin:atherton:adn_embassy:kravon:joenashalonius:
dinsdale_piranha:satans_angels:carbonis:westwind_armed_forces:nighthawk_commander:
the_greek_titans:the_crazy_general:chr1st:mighty_led_zeppelin:warlocklord:korenyl:
democratic_donkeys:bismarcia:catweazle:opaopa:species_1:the_valley_of_mines:
daradah:byzantian:the_hall_monitor

Wow that's a load of garbage, and anyone really from NI would tell you that!

These selective "XML" feeds are erroneous, as they fail to take into account numerous things. I even have telegrams from Victories and other natives as to my native status, and it's a well known fact that I am a native, though you being an invader having illegally booted me wouldn't know that.

I was in NI 2 for much of my time, which was the recruiting ground for NI and considered by all to be NI, and during my time there if you didn't use such SELECTIVE xml feed to cover your crime of griefing and illegally banning a native from the region, then you'd see that I've been in NI for long periods of time.

Also, "crazy girl", you appear to not be a mod, yet you spend LOADS of times on this forum with these selectively dated XML feeds, perhaps there are better things to do in the Netherlands than that? Kinda sad way to waste your life.

By using this selectively dated XML feed the culprits are trying to get away with what Galaxian was penalized for. I have no love for either invading force, I simply wish they were gone from NI, all these sides have brought ruin and NO NATIVE invited them in to begin with.

EDIT: Just adding this in.. I have loads of proof that I'm a native, Victories the former delegate and another native confirms as much in many telegrams and private communiques, as well as anyone that actually knew the region and didn't rely on SELECTIVELY dated xml feed would know this. My warrior puppet is just as bad as galaxian, same thing should happen to him.

Further proof of my native status, a telegram from my former leader Victories:

The Hirgizstanian Commonwealth of Victories
Received: 2 days ago So your all turned against me eh?
Thats the thanks i get for giving you all freedom, if it weren't for me your precious leader, Galaxian wouldn't be in power, i could have kicked you, SFM and everyone else out of Northern Ireland, but i chose a higher path, a path of mercy, which has in turn showed your true colours, and they are dark and traitorous indeed.

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If the mods want to check out all my telegrams from the last seven or so months they will see that i've been an NI native the whole time, and my former native glenravel was as well! I am glenravel 2, glenravel 1 my old nation died when i let it go for too long. I think the only people denying I am a native to NI are people that are not from NI, how interesting!

yes, and peronal attacks make you so much more believable :rolleyes:

That logic makes no sense, how does one correlate to the other? You use selectively dated XML feed for a region you aren't even in, you aren't a mod, you have no discernible ties to said region, so this makes you credible? Please! Of course I am outraged that you have chosen to label me an invader, when it's clear to anyone else, including natives that I am a native? I just wanted to know why you seem to spend your life on here, is this your main hobby? Why do you have such a vested interest in disproving someone that is clearly a native, and has been for so long, it just all doesn't add up.

Just adding this in.. I have loads of proof that I'm a native, Victories the former delegate and another native confirms as much in many telegrams and private communiques, as well as anyone that actually knew the region and didn't rely on SELECTIVELY dated xml feed would know this. My warrior puppet is just as bad as galaxian, same thing should happen to him.

Further proof of my native status, a telegram from my former leader Victories:

The Hirgizstanian Commonwealth of Victories
Received: 2 days ago So your all turned against me eh?
Thats the thanks i get for giving you all freedom, if it weren't for me your precious leader, Galaxian wouldn't be in power, i could have kicked you, SFM and everyone else out of Northern Ireland, but i chose a higher path, a path of mercy, which has in turn showed your true colours, and they are dark and traitorous indeed.

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If the mods want to check out all my telegrams from the last seven or so months they will see that i've been an NI native the whole time, and my former native glenravel was as well! I am glenravel 2, glenravel 1 my old nation died when i let it go for too long. I think the only people denying I am a native to NI are people that are not from NI, how interesting!

I'd suggest cooling down and letting the mods get to the bottom of this before both sides are in trouble.

TH....love your new forum title, ROFL! :p :D

Uh... XML feeds aren't "selective" in any sense of the term; they transmit game data directly from the site.

That being said, upon investigation of the pertinent data, Glenravel 2 does appear a couple of times in the xml for Northern Ireland 2, but I don't see you in NI proper anywhere. I'll run this by the other GMs and ask them what they think, but at the moment it doesn't appear to me that MWP did anything wrong.

I do know that MWP and others who participated in this defense took great care making sure that no natives were booted. Just because you slowly trickle forces in over the span of a week does not make you a native. lol

Also, Glenravel 2, I suggest you leave flamebait out of your posts from now on. People that post in this forum regularly who know what they are doing do so because they know it can be difficult for the Game Staff to sort find information that others may have readily available for one reason or another. They're just helping.

First, I'd like to say that it's completely uncalled for and unhelpful to have those that are directly related to the ADN invaders, Pope hope and co, chiming in -- they are pretending to be disinterested parties which is disingenous of them, when they are very much connected to this and wish to get their pal MWP off the hook. Shame on you Pope Hope, your friends flamed and griefed our region, and you have the audacity to come on here and present yourself as somehow free to tell others about their conduct? Quite hypocritical and sad.

I will start with Melkor:

"uh... XML feeds aren't "selective" in any sense of the term; they transmit game data directly from the site."

Umm What I clearly meant was that these people took selective dates, dates I happened to not be in NI to use as a case for MWP. If you looked at other dates I was in NI, have been numerous times with Glenravel 2 for sometimes extended periods of time, am considered a native by all natives, including Victories, and was in Northern Ireland 2 for much of the time, where I was on official business at the time for Victories so my post was there -- these regions were connected. If you wish to look at earlier XML feed, and other dates XML feeds, Glenravel and my successor nation Glenravel 2 have been considered natives of NI since the reign of victories started!

It's unfortunate that so many people unconnected with our region have tried to hurt us there, calling me a non native is pure folly, as can be seen by any clear minded person. XML feeds were selectively used from dates when I was not directly in NI, in some bizarre plan to "prove" that I am not a native -- whereas this contradicts the fact that I am a native, have been in NI for a very long time, was in the NI government, Victories the longest running delegate AFFIRMS this through hundreds of telegrams, in short the case against me presented by those defending the ADN invader's actions are fallacious at best.

It's time for some justice here -- the other invader Galaxian lost un status for doing the same thing, yet I have been on the ban list for most of the day whereas victories was on for less than a day when a mod took away galaxians un status -- None of us invited either galaxian nor the ADN invader in -- the natives we just supported galaxian for the time being as anything was preferable to victories at the time. No native likes victories, he treated us like garbage, and I can show you all the telegrams from where we had a falling out -- it's entirely ridiculous to claim I am not a native, and shame on any of you suggesting otherwise! That would be contradicting fact, and making Victories and all other natives liars since they affirm the same fact.

i'm not trying to look uninvolved in this one, in fact, my UN nation Zandra is endorsing MWP in NI, as a few mods will know.

now after some deeper digging in our archive, i did find a few xmls which mention a nation called glenravel.

march 26, invasion of NI by the irish:

<NATIONS>grays_empire:tauchaos:burger481:ennora:glenravel:sandy_d:chunky_green:
mcardle:lisburn:greyunderland:the_irish_ambassador:victories:monicalea:wind_waves_water:
tuttut:atherton:celtea:maccool:patriots_of_erin:kelticmystery:cloverage:graysferry:
cheapersmokes:flaniren:celtayoshi:irish-americans:cu_mara:who_is_da_daddy:waterford:codonegal:
flag_thief_2:prodigal_fenian</NATIONS>

march 6th:
<NATIONS>who_is_da_daddy:hirgizstan:grays_empire:victories:celtayoshi:legionnaires:
tauchaos:3_commando_brigade:burger481:ennora:glenravel:sandy_d:chunky_green:
mcardle:lisburn:eggybertville:greyunderland:the_irish_ambassador:cu_mara</NATIONS>

feb 13th

<NATIONS>who_is_da_daddy:hirgizstan:grays_empire:victories:celtayoshi:legionnaires:
tauchaos:3_commando_brigade:burger481:ennora:glenravel:sandy_d:chunky_green:
mcardle:lisburn:anarcheia:eggybertville:greyunderland</NATIONS>

this still doesn't make glenravel 2 a native though.
we had every right to kick you as a nonnative.

Speaking as someone totally disinterested in the invasion game, I'd say that most people who aren't involved in invading / defending don't spend a lot of time collecting XML feeds, do they? It's a fair amount of work to gather and store, or so I assume. If you exclude invader/defenders from possible helpers, it doesn't leave you with much.

Mods seem to accept the feeds from Ballotonia and Crazy Girl because they have been accurate in the past. While it's possible that they could be doctoring logs, discovery would shatter their credibility. Since both seem to be widely accepted as credible, I'va always assumed their data was accurate.

Well, ignoring the XML feeds and going just off what I've seen from various telegrams of involved parties, Glenravel 2 is not a native of Northern Ireland, as per a telegram recently unearthed by myself. In the interest of not airing sensitive information, I'll keep the involved parties as well as the telegram in question a secret. I will, however, refer this finding to the rest of the crew for verification.

I have verified this. Not that Melkor's word isn't enough.

That's the problem, most people around nationstates don't trust any of you anymore since you write these crazy cryptic decisions that everyone is supposed to decipher.

It's clear that I am a native, other natives call me a native, I have reams of telegrams from the ex delegate calling me a native, but for some reason, some very dark reason I am being denied justice and fair play. This game is for fun, and the mods should be more impartial -- we all know that most of them are in the ADN, but how am I an emeny of the ADN? It's beyond a shadow of reasonable doubt that I am a native, yet I am not allowed back in NI? Ridiculous -- the last invader galaxian lost un status for keeping victories on the regional ban list for only a day, yet I've been on the list for a few days and the present invader delegate my warrior puppet is fine. It's sort of like 1984 in this game, up is down, down is up, good is evil, evil is good -- that's the kind of logic that is used in the bizarre idea that I am somehow not a native of NI, and the latest strange and cryptic "mod ruling" points to some very odd behavior.

If the mods are going to rule arbitrarily in the shadows, known to be less than impartial, then more and more players of the NS world will be waking up to the fact that there is no such thing as equal justice in the game. If the ADN follow one set of rules, use selectively dated XML feeds to make arbitrary deicisions that their mod friends always go along with, all faith in this system will be shattered. The sad fact is that the system is fatally flawed. There is NO other reason that this injustice against me, a well known native of NI, is allowed to stand.

May I point out that stuff like that which you just posted is more likely to get you warned than anything else. And Mods, may I suggest Archiving this now?

May I point out that stuff like that which you just posted is more likely to get you warned than anything else. And Mods, may I suggest Archiving this now?

I think they let people suggest that threads be archived. Unless things have changed dramatically around here when I wasn't looking.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard since Sheol.

But, hey, it's not like anything I'm gonna say will change your mind. To my knowledge, not one of us is affiliated with the ADN. I think this theory stems from the fact that invader groups tend to break the rules a lot and get punished for it, leading some conspiracy theorists to believe that we're in league with the defenders. Or...something.

Give me the name of an ADN army region and I'll gladly UN sweep it.

sweep my army, melkor, it's in the region "the rejected realms"
although there's some invaders armies there too :p

Melkor already swept my region the other day. Ironically, none of the defenders had multies...but he did bust some lacadasical role players who probably just didn't read the FAQ because they are not defenders and pay no mind. :p

It appears to me that someone may not understand what the requirements are to be a native of a region. I find it particularly odd that CG's feeds do not show that you are present at several points in time.

Just to clear things up about native status: can someone explain how long you have to reside in the region before you are a native? I'm pretty sure you need to reside there for more than a week straight. Just because a nation pops in and out of region doesn't make one a native, in my opinion. It seems like one should have a definite history of continual residence in a region. Am I right here?

Myrdinn, Yes you have to be in 1 region for quite some time to become a native. You also need some sort of history as well, as you have stated.