NationStates Jolt Archive

An invading Delegate, The Empire of The twelfth Legion, has taken control of the region from the DEN. He proceeded to maintain control by ejecting nations aiding the native region, pw protecting it and leaving those nations on the Ban List.

Regional Happenings
5 hours ago: The People's Republic of RSF departed this region for The Rejected Realms
5 hours ago: The Empire of The twelfth Legion ejected The People's Republic of RSF from the region.
5 hours ago: The Republic of Rincewind the magician departed this region for The Rejected Realms
5 hours ago: The Empire of The twelfth Legion ejected The Republic of Rincewind the magician from the region.
5 hours ago: The Federation of Godnose departed this region for The Rejected Realms
5 hours ago: The Empire of The twelfth Legion ejected The Federation of Godnose from the region.
5 hours ago: The Armed Republic of Drunk on Guinness departed this region for The Rejected Realms
5 hours ago: The Empire of The twelfth Legion ejected The Armed Republic of Drunk on Guinness from the region.
6 hours ago: The Empire of The twelfth Legion password-protected the region.

Several Other nations not listed here have also been ejected and left on the ban list.

I have been told this was illegal, so I have posted it here for a review.

Sweet, so that's what that means lol

I could be wrong but those could be non-natives

Both non natives and natives have been ejected. Region is pw protected and the banlist is not clear.

Good evening.

I am delegate in The Axis, The Twelfth legion. Debugistan is my main nation.

I have ejected some nations, but only 2 of them were natives. The former delegate and FascistUnionAmbasador. However, the second was an ambassador and inactive for a month, so I don’t think that he can be counted as a native.

I have surveyed the region for nearly a week before our strike, and made a list of natives. All nations that I kicked came to the region after we took it over. They were threatening the delegacy. I believe it is legal to eject such nations.

I have password protected the region for the night and all natives received it. The pw is removed for day time. I do not think that I have done anything illegal.

Thank you for understanding.

Debugistan.

Very diplomatic, indeed. :)

but how long can you keep non natives on the ban list
and how many nations can a non native delagate eject per day

i think the ambassador would be considered a native..
and the former delegate...probably too.

you are allowed to eject them, but you have to remove them from the banlist immediatly, and you do have to give the password to all natives (including those ejected) when you put one up.

I like your signature crazy girl...reminds me to something or someone... :D

ummm...chess, i think you got some things mixed up there..

ummm...chess, i think you got some things mixed up there..

Okay ;)

its been well over 24 hours and i'm still on the ban list

I think you guys should check out these pages of the Anti Defamation League and rethink the choice of your flags :sniper: .

http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/default_graphics.asp

thanks for helping me find new flags
and to think the adl might have done something good for once
na

You are obviously not the only person reading these posts. So the ADL lists might help other people, too, to judge what is offensive or not. :)

Update: Maybe I should also send them an eMail :)

i find the flag of the nation that occupies the wast bank and gazza strip offensive but dose any one care
but this is not the place for this discussion
if you wish to contiue it start a tread some where and tg it to me

No thanks, last time I tried to have a decent conversation with one of your fellows I was called ******* Jew.

Update: As for Gaza/ West Bank...have a look at my location, I am not quite in the position to argue about that.

you dont have to be in the mid east to realize theres somthing wrong there

You don't have to be a mod to realize this thread has gone off topic... seriously. If you don't have anything to say about the specific situation in "The Axis", don't post here.

Unfree People
Forum Moderator

my appoligize's

needless to say the people are still banned

yes they are.

I am sure, the problems will be solved by the new delegate soon, so that we all can live in peace in The Axis.

2 un updates and 2 delegates and i'm still banned
i think the delegates need to be :gundge: :sniper: :mp5: well never mind

You forget to mention something here my dear friend. You were not ejected and banned immediately after the region was taken over by The DEN.

UN Update --> We gained delegacy

The plan to take you as reconquer delegate was discovered at approx. 10 hours before the next UN Update. You were ejected after the next UN Update.
The new delegate was elected shortly ago and will probably soon solve the problems as I have stated above.

good day. I recently recieved this with my legion nation:

United Nations Intelligence Committee
Received: 9 hours ago You need to distribute the pass to natives after invading a region. You've been active at least once since you came to power and I've seen no effort to do so. Thus, this account has been banned from the UN. Next time you participate in an invasion, see to it that this is done.

This is a little disapointing. either I get this wrong, or some kind of misunderstanding happened. I put up the password twice, and once I telegramed it myself for the natives, and second time I asked one of my friends who was online to do this.

Just on a side note, I had 2 nations inside of The Axis for weeks, and I never got passwords whenever the old delegate, Shi-tain, changed them.

did you do it immediatly? and are you sure you sent it to all natives?

also, that rule doesn't go for native delegates, just invaders

Regardless of who the password was given to,there is still a griefing violation taking place.

Too bad I'm the only one that sees it.Correction on that,I filed on the getting help page and the mods probably see it now too.

i'm still bamded and i was ejected before i was in the region for one updeate in fact the only time iwas ever in that region for an update was when the commies invaided

So you are no native? Then you don't need the password at least :)

Crazy girl:
Yeah, I am sure that the pw was send imediatly to all natives. Well, it takes some time to TG almost 40 nations. But it was done in 10 or 15 minutes after pw was set up.

Navy nazi - you are from "Nazi Europe" and you organized to take over the Axis from us. You was meant to be the new delegate. I am surprised, that you are surprised why were you kicked.

not that i was kicked out just banned so long

i'm still bamded and i was ejected before i was in the region for one updeate in fact the only time iwas ever in that region for an update was when the commies invaided


Haven't you proven yourself there that you are no native in the region? So what is all the fuss about? :D

so an invaider can leave people on a ban list as long as he wants
this just dosnt sound right

an invader delegate isn't allowed to ban natives, but non-natives he can ban as long as he wants.

i'd still like to get a mods oppinien

Spetznatz troopers has been egected from the un how can he still be ejecting people

you don't need to be in the un to still have access to regional control (till update), the mods didn't remove his delegate tag.

it'd be nice to hear that from a mod
wait no it wouldn't but it would mean somthing

<?xml version="1.0" ?>
- <REGIONINFO>
<NAME>The Axis</NAME>
<FACTBOOK>This region is still under DEN admnistration and control. No defenders allowed in here, as we are dealing with bringing peace to this region. Any invasion attempts will be severly dealt with and ejected. Representatives from the Soviet Union are still welcome though and they can feel comfortable in here. If a password has been set up, it has been TG:Ed to ALL natives in The Axis. If you have been missed out, TG me at once and I will provide it for you. Have a nice day Lieutenant Grippsholm</FACTBOOK>
<NUMNATIONS>35</NUMNATIONS>
<NATIONS>ravor:southwest_gondor:ustasa_croatia:fascist_europe:eidenoch:
repression_and_badness:trondheimal:the_cabal_core:cruze_world:walowa:
drunken_sillyscousers:avadria:ghi:dark_initiates:non_phixion:the_furher:
kogotai:west_toorak:nationalist_hungary:old_mordia:caenarfon:hookoo-_01:
nationalist_brasil:asmodeus_jr:paxston:the_twelfth_legion:
klatchian_confederat:puppet_on_a_string:spetznatz_troopers:praedonia:
pepsi_vs_coke:immortal_rain:tuchachevski:wallawalla-bingbang:
enverium</NATIONS>
<DELEGATE>spetznatz_troopers</DELEGATE>
<DELEGATEVOTES>3</DELEGATEVOTES>
<FOUNDER>axis_europe</FOUNDER>
</REGIONINFO>

see? delegate tag, he's still listed as delegate.

whens that from and how'd you do that

i made that one right before i posted it here, and it is called an xml feed.

whats an xml

you better ask that in tech, i'm sure salusa can tell that much better than me :D

but basically, it's just a way of getting up to date info on a region or nation.

also, because the civil HQ is going so fast, copy-pasting this message here:

87 minutes ago NationStates Moderators OK, so I realize it probably looks a little fishy that the last two DEN delegates have been ejected from the UN. I'd like to head off all the allegations that we're biased against the DEN by stating the reasons for their expulsion. The twelfth legion--the first delegate--was ejected for failing to distribute the password to the natives. He claims to have posted it here, but even if he did, it's not enough. The pass needs to be *Telegrammed* to the natives individually, to ensure that they all get it. Spetznatz Troopers was ejected because I happened to run a UN check on him and found a couple of multi accounts. Such as it is, we are *not* affording this region any more protection than is normally enjoyed by player regions; I'm just going off the rules here. So please, spare us the anti-mod tirade that I suspect will be coming anyway. As a result of these transgressions, I am clearing the password and ban list for the region. Continued invasion attempts--while still legal--are likely to be scrutinized heavily on account of the previous transgressions. Have a nice day.

Ze Axis has been ze liberated. ;)

Well, I am a bit frustrated. I am sure, that I *Telegramed* the password to each and every nation of The Axis. And this telegram my legion nation received is even more frustrating:

NationStates Moderators
Received: 14 hours ago Having examined the telegram inbox of the entire banlist, I fail to see the password anywhere. Posting it on the regional message boards is not sufficient for this end either. You seem to indicate on the boards that a DEN agent was responsible for TGing the password; apparently he did not do so.


I have never heard before, that nations on the ban list are concidered natives, and that they should receive the password. I will not argue – I trust, that moderators knows what they are doing better then me. Still, I would like a clarificationn, to prevent such misunderstandings from happening again.

Don't assume that the mods have all the facts. If you are truly in the right, file a report and clearly explain your position to the mods, producing whatever evidence you have. (If they still don't listen, and you're not trying to BS them and you really are in the right, go to Max.)

If you are lucky, the mods will admit their mistake, reinstate you to the UN, (maybe) apologize, and...that's it.

Unfortunately, when mods make mistakes, they usually don't undo the damage in-game damage they've done, so your invasion is dead, even though you might be the rightful delegate.

EDIT: Actually, they won't put you back into the UN, they'll just allow you to rejoin manually. I suppose this is so they don't accidentally turn you into a multi if you've joined the UN with another nation, but it certainly doesn't help with the restoration of justice.

I have never heard before, that nations on the ban list are concidered natives, and that they should receive the password. .

Does that mean that you truely believe that as soon as you ban a nation, you think it's no longer a native?

Lol, when will invaders ever learn :p

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=321528

Regarding password protecting a captured region:
-The password MUST be telegrammed to ALL natives within one system update of the password being set. The invader delegate and his or her group is responsible for ensuring the password is sent out. Passing it out to some of the natives and instructing them to 'pass it on' is not an acceptable excuse in the event of the password not going out.
-The password must be CLEARLY stated when handed out to the natives. If the password has ''s or ""s on the ends, be sure that this fact is clear. Setting the password as a swear word that is filtered by the censor is no excuse, either.
-If a native loses the password (for instance, it accidentally gets flooded out of their TG box), and they request it again, it must be given to them.

It's a good idea to share this with your "troops." And, if ever in doubt, ask a Mod first. This can prevent unintentional breaking of rules that could result in deletion, in my experience. Never hurts. :)

i would like to thank the mods for swiftly dealing with the invaiders del. powers that were accidently left on

Del controls are kept on until the next update I believe, no matter if you have a delegate or not.

i would like to thank the mods for swiftly dealing with the invaiders del. powers that were accidently left on


Regios without a founder can't switch off control. It will always be on, untill you have a founder. This is how the game is programmed.

the invaider was ejected from the un (for being an aleged multi he clams he was not of course) therefore ineligable to be the del. but still had regional control access

the invaider was ejected from the un (for being an aleged multi he clams he was not of course) therefore ineligable to be the del. but still had regional control access

True. Only deletion can bar his access completely. All you have to do is report him again, if he touches the regional control. His rejection from the UN was for a reason, and actually still just a warning.

i was thanking the mods for fixing the problem not reporting a problem i did that last night

For the record, I was the mod that dealt with this situation. I spent a couple hours on it yesterday, and I feel I've finally gotten it more or less sorted out. I think the regional HQ posting pretty much speaks for itself; upon investigating the TGs recieved by the banned natives, I failed to see the password anywhere. I even went so far as to check activity in the nations in question, to investigate the possibility that they deleted the telegram in an effort to frame the invaders. No dice. A few of them hadn't even been active seince being ejected, and thus telegram deleting was not a possibility.

I may be mistaken, but the twelfth legion claimed on the regional boards at some point yesterday that a "DEN Trooper" was telegramming the password out to the natives. If this was the intent, then that "DEN Trooper" should be harshly reprimanded for not doing so. I failed to see any communication on behalf of the invaders to the delegates, and natives remained on the banlist as long as 24 hours after the invasion.

Go to admin if you really want to take Beachcomber's advice, but they'll tell you pretty much what I'm telling you. The invasion wasn't carried out in a legal fashion, thus action was taken.

EDIT: Actually, they won't put you back into the UN, they'll just allow you to rejoin manually. I suppose this is so they don't accidentally turn you into a multi if you've joined the UN with another nation, but it certainly doesn't help with the restoration of justice.

And incidentally, the reason that we don't directly reinstate people into the UN is because we can't. You know, whole "validation e-mail" thing.

is there a rule on how long defenders that are requseted by natives can be on a ban list though

is there a rule on how long defenders that are requseted by natives can be on a ban list though

As far as I know, we don't treat defenders any differently than invaders. Making a seperate set of rules for each would probably only give the defenders an unfair advantage.

As far as I know, we don't treat defenders any differently than invaders. Making a seperate set of rules for each would probably only give the defenders an unfair advantage. :(

worth a try

Yeah, sorry. I'm not much of a fan of region invasions, having had my region griefed twice. But them's the rules, and I don't make them.

thank you for all your help i know that the natives appresiate it as do thier allies

cause i see some confusion here (and yes, because i am bored, and have nothing better to do) i'll explain one more time..

a mod (melkor apparently) kicked the invader delegate out the UN.
but he didn't remove the delegate tag, so the invader still had access to the regional controls (you don't have to be in the UN to keep the delegate controls till the next update).
that's why he could still kick people out.
now the delegate tag got removed, making sure he couldn't access regional control anymore (and i think that's what he was thanking the mods for).

questions? :p

eggzactly thank you crazy girl

Melkor Unchained
Thanks for clearing this out. I misunderstood you at first. Yeah, there were 2 natives on the ban list, and I simply forgot about them when I telegramed the password. My mistake. It seems, that said DEN trooper also did the same mistake.

Oh well, next time will be beter. ;)

And incidentally, the reason that we don't directly reinstate people into the UN is because we can't.
It's just another bit somewhere. It should be trivial to make the code change, if it doesn't exist already. It's certainly extraordinarily important. I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm just saying that if that's truly the case, it should be on the top of the list of things to fix.

I'm not holding my breath or anything...just sayin'...

Anyway, I'm "glad" that this was a legit griefing. Always good to see that the mods are on the ball and have done their homework.

I just dropped into the thread because most of the participants in these things at the very least don't like invasions and more typically think that because they don't like them, any time an invader gets the bone, justice has been served.

But, you know, you deserved it, so enjoy your bone.

Actually, it's not really too much of an issue. If we make a mistake in ejecting a Delegate [like I did with Great Bight] it's a simple issue of putting the previous delegate into the "delegate" key on the region page. This might not give them the nifty little UN graphic, but they'll retain their powers in the region until they can reapply and get all their endorsements back and so forth.

IIRC, we've brought this issue up amongst ourselves, and I think it was shot down for a number of reasons I can't really remember. But if you want to make a new case for it, I suppose it'd be best to take it up with the admin. I can't write code :headbang:

i think sence the axis is back under native control this thread is done and if so i thank every one for there input

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=321528
[...rules DRAFT quoted...]

It's a good idea to share this with your "troops." And, if ever in doubt, ask a Mod first. This can prevent unintentional breaking of rules that could result in deletion, in my experience. Never hurts. :)

PH, that's from a draft ruleset which AFAIK was never put in effect. One key difference for instance is that passwords still have to be sent out immediately. The latest version of that draft had the rule that passwords have to be sent out PRIOR to setting the password on the region.

Ballotonia

Actually, it's not really too much of an issue. If we make a mistake in ejecting a Delegate [like I did with Great Bight] it's a simple issue of putting the previous delegate into the "delegate" key on the region page.

Well, it's not ideal (since the delegate might have need of his own vote), but it's not too bad, I guess, if that's what you're actually doing these days. Most of the inappropriate deletions I witnessed took days to resolve, and the delegate was not reinstated, but if you're doing this now, that's nice to see.