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Over in the general forum, I've noticed several of the mods demonstrating an obvious political preference, and, in the name of stability, would like to have Mods refrain from posting in such threads, or demonstrating any partiality at all. Mods should be impartial referees, and I think that some of the things they say may betray that.

As an alternative, the Mods should post under a puppet nation at all times not dealing with issues pertaining to them as Mods.

Just a request

A mod is a player just like you and I, they have every right to their opinion.

As long as their political preferences don't affect their duties as moderators, why should they be restricted from expressing their opinions just because they're moderators?

A mod is a player just like you and I, they have every right to their opinion.

Besides, I've personally never encountered a moderator who used their political ideology to make judgment calls in this game.

They wouldn't even be a moderator if Max and [violet] didn't believe they could moderate impartially.

Over in the general forum, I've noticed several of the mods demonstrating an obvious political preference, and, in the name of stability, would like to have Mods refrain from posting in such threads, or demonstrating any partiality at all. Mods should be impartial referees, and I think that some of the things they say may betray that.

As an alternative, the Mods should post under a puppet nation at all times not dealing with issues pertaining to them as Mods.

Just a request
Moderators are required to be impartial when taking official Moderator action of any kind, such as locking a thread, moving a thread, deleting posts, handling privilidged information, ejecting a nation from the UN, deleting a nation, warning a nation, et cetera.

When not acting in an official capacity, Moderators are not required to be impartial.

I trust that this addresses your concerns.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

I agree that a MOD is still human, and they should have some opinion of their own. Only when they carry out MOD duties do we expect them to be openly fair and even with that function. I've not seen a MOD do anything yet that really was skewed (other than when I wanted something that I did not deserve). In hindsight, I agree that the MODs have acted as aboveboard as they could in all actions that I have seen. Max has chosen well with the MODs that we have had so far. (Please, don't take that as brown nosing, even though that is how it reads).

Over in the general forum, I've noticed several of the mods demonstrating an obvious political preference, and, in the name of stability, would like to have Mods refrain from posting in such threads, or demonstrating any partiality at all. Mods should be impartial referees, and I think that some of the things they say may betray that.

As an alternative, the Mods should post under a puppet nation at all times not dealing with issues pertaining to them as Mods.

Just a request
What on earth would this do aside from drive any supposed partiality underground?

I respect the point of view of everyone

Bureaucracy is a big part of governing anything

Isaac wrote this

A mod is a player just like you and I, they have every right to their opinion.

The are also authority figures and prone to the same human mistakes as you and I. Some players are intimidated by them.

While I totally agree that they should enjoy the game as well, I think allowing them to have puppets (and even multi-UN *once* so they can experience the full game) is a good suggestion.

p.s. I'm still waiting for a ruling on my "Global Disaster Assistance" proposal. :( I understand it takes time, I just want to make sure it isn't lost in the void.

p.s. I'm still waiting for a ruling on my "Global Disaster Assistance" proposal. :( I understand it takes time, I just want to make sure it isn't lost in the void.
Hmmm? Oh, yeah.

It's okay to bump a topic once a week if you're waiting for a ruling. As a matter of fact, I ask that you do this (if I'm the one who promised the ruling*); my real life tends to take up a lot of my time, and I easily forget things.

* I can't really speak for the other Moderators on this, though; they have their own preferences.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

All I can say is sweat.....only a few more hundred million to go...

The dead from the helicopter strike included Arab television reporter Mazen al-Tumeizi, who screamed, ``I'm dying, I'm dying,'' as a cameraman recorded the chaotic scene. An Iraqi cameraman working for the Reuters news agency and an Iraqi freelance photographer for Getty Images were wounded.

:sniper:

Bias anyone? Or simply a taste of reality... :mp5:

All I can say is sweat.....only a few more hundred million to go...

The dead from the helicopter strike included Arab television reporter Mazen al-Tumeizi, who screamed, ``I'm dying, I'm dying,'' as a cameraman recorded the chaotic scene. An Iraqi cameraman working for the Reuters news agency and an Iraqi freelance photographer for Getty Images were wounded.

:sniper:

Bias anyone? Or simply a taste of reality... :mp5:
You want to give some context to this, or are you just randomly babbling?

They wouldn't even be a moderator if Max and [violet] didn't believe they could moderate impartially.

That isn't the issue. It is the advantage they have while wearing their badget of office in the forums.

Take the UN example from this weekend. Do you think: (1) that Knootoss would have been going on and on about how I'm a hypocrit if he saw I was a mod? (2) do you think I'd call him an idiot and start quoting Arnold if I thought he was a mod? (OK, maybe in my case I would ... because I've pissed off so many of you that I'm guessing you guys keep score whom I've angered the most each day.) ;)

That is why I like the idea of puppets. I'm gonna be the same jerk the rest of the players see if I don't think you are acting all cop like. Ditto for everybody else.

Of course, if I were a mod, I'd have a puppet or two and use 'em and just wouldn't ever say a thing about it. And then from time to time, I'd stroll around in the uniform just to make the rest of us think, "Hey look, the cop wants to play with us today!"

That isn't the issue. It is the advantage they have while wearing their badget of office in the forums.

Take the UN example from this weekend. Do you think: ... (2) do you think I'd call him an idiot and start quoting Arnold if I thought he was a mod?

More to the point, why have you misunderstood or chosen to ignore the definition of flaming and its forbidden status if you were to (hypothetically) call any other poster on NS an idiot?

1)They wouldn't even be a moderator if Max and [violet] didn't believe they could moderate impartially.Well, that gets shifted towards th evidence pile in the " Does [violet] = Max Barry " thread, I think, ;)

2)(2) do you think I'd call him an idiot and start quoting Arnold if I thought he was a mod?Hmmm, while I do not wish to be seen as part of those whom are polarised in opinion in that paticular ... matter, it might be important to note that " Arnold " is looking at having pink dress wearing bobble head dolls made in his image since he let that comment slip. Best to remember that possible result I feel.

2)Hmmm, while I do not wish to be seen as part of those whom are polarised in opinion in that paticular ... matter, it might be important to note that " Arnold " is looking at having pink dress wearing bobble head dolls made in his image since he let that comment slip. Best to remember that possible result I feel.

Are you suggesting that we could pay for NS2 by selling pink dress wearing "GirlieMods"? ;)

*pictures Myrth in a pink dress*

*screams in horror*

*pictures Myrth in a pink dress*

*screams in horror*

Halloween meets on-line gaming.
On ebay this is what they'd call a "Cross-Collectible". ;)

(And I thought about the actual subject of this thread some more and agree with many others that the mods shouldn't be forced to use puppets. If they walked down with the rest of us a bit more, perhaps that might also keep things in-line a bit more. Though I'd still encourage them to use puppets every once and a while ... even pink dress wearing puppets.)

Are you suggesting that we could pay for NS2 by selling pink dress wearing "GirlieMods"? ;)
If they look like Stephistan or Menelmacar, then you might have a winner. :D

If they look like Hack or Myrth, then Heeeellll no! :p

--The Jovial States of Cogitation
"Laugh about it for a moment."
NationStates Self-Proclaimed Court Jester

Are you suggesting that we could pay for NS2 by selling pink dress wearing "GirlieMods"? ;)
I don't wear dresses, but I own a few pink shirts that I'm partial to ;)

this is the modforum right? aren't we slightly off-topic?

You want to give some context to this, or are you just randomly babbling?B, do I now get the car?


May be locked?

You misunderstand me, I'm not saying that Mods should refrain from any political opinion, just that they should have a puppet on which they post said opinions, and that the Moderator Privileged account be used only for moderator issues.

You misunderstand me, I'm not saying that Mods should refrain from any political opinion, just that they should have a puppet on which they post said opinions, and that the Moderator Privileged account be used only for moderator issues.

Anyone who's been in the General forum for long has debated and/or been in on a lot of silliness with me before Max and [violet] asked me to be a moderator. I, for one, intend to keep using Katganistan to debate -- it doesn't make me any more "right" than anyone else. Heck, we mods don't agree with each other politically either. If we haven't mutually annihilated each other, I don't think the rest of NationStates need worry.... ;)

Over in the general forum, I've noticed several of the mods demonstrating an obvious political preference, and, in the name of stability, would like to have Mods refrain from posting in such threads, or demonstrating any partiality at all. Mods should be impartial referees, and I think that some of the things they say may betray that.

As an alternative, the Mods should post under a puppet nation at all times not dealing with issues pertaining to them as Mods.

Just a request

Denied.

Moderators are required to be impartial when taking official Moderator action of any kind, such as locking a thread, moving a thread, deleting posts, handling privilidged information, ejecting a nation from the UN, deleting a nation, warning a nation, et cetera.

When not acting in an official capacity, Moderators are not required to be impartial.

I trust that this addresses your concerns.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator\
Doesn't always work out that way, though.

Denied.

::chuckle::

I gotta say, the more I see NS's moderator team, the more I like 'em.

Besides, when do I ever post political opinions.. Haha :D

Doesn't always work out that way, though.

Of course, because none of your forum bans so far have been deserved :rolleyes:

I don't understand. How would forcing mods to post opinions under a different name make them any less biased when acting as a moderator? How would making them only use their moderator nation for moderator stuff make them act any differently than if they use it the way they do now? I'm confused how any of this would make a bit of difference.

Of course, because none of your forum bans so far have been deserved :rolleyes:
Since I have never recieved a warning before deleation, I think that is a fair assessment of the facts. I have seen Bottle and Incertonia say much worse things than I and not recieve any admonishment at all. :rolleyes:

MunkeBrain, just to be an outside observer here, I find it ironic that you would ask the mods from keeping their political beliefs from the forums... because, when it comes down to it, how can you be impartial in judging them when they've deleted you for rule violations?

As Cog says, "Think about it for a moment." ;)

Besides, when do I ever post political opinions.. Haha :D


That WAS a rhetorical question, yes?

Since I have never recieved a warning before deleation, I think that is a fair assessment of the facts. I have seen Bottle and Incertonia say much worse things than I and not recieve any admonishment at all. :rolleyes:And your evidence for this (or any of your other claims) is? I would refer you to my old sig but Myrth made me delete it. Do you reckon that's because it was offensive or because I'm being oppressed because of my politics?

Well, although I'm not familiar with your situation, the idea of whining about not getting warnings is just BS. I'd venture to guess these transgressions had something to do with flaming [judging solely by the context] and not flaming is governed pretty much by common sense. The warning for this is in the FAQ and the sites Terms, so if you can't be arsed to read them or at least have a bare-bones familiarity with them, it's not our problem.

And if those other people you mentioned didn't get reprimanded for saying "much worse" things than they were either not seen by us, or not, in fact, "much worse" as you claim. Despite apparently popular opinion, we're not in the habit of acting out of bias against certain people.