NationStates Jolt Archive


Ban of all Nazi symbols

Derbes Land
06-09-2004, 14:58
As I understand the use of the swastika for a nation’s flag is considered illegal.
Why is that? The answer can only be that the admin doesn’t want NationStates players to act as Nazi nations, awaking one of the darkest chapters of human history.

Another reason could be to ensure that other players don’t feel insulted by the Nazi symbol.
The swastika itself is a disgrace to all Nazi victims, no matter if they were Allied soldiers, German civilians, citizens of the occupied territories or part of the people that suffered most, the Jews.

Now let us ask why people would want to use a swastika as their flag?
The worst reason would be that they still believe in Nazi ideals. No human individual capable of developing their own thoughts can honestly still believe in this misfortune of history. The Nazi regime has caused so much terror, hate and death among millions of people. Therefore people who still consider themselves Nazis or NeoNazis have a personality problem and should consider consulting a therapist.

Some people might respond to this that National Socialism is a political ideology and because of that part of democracy, suspect to freedom of speech etc.
This is simply not true. National Socialism is no ideology it was an excuse for committing numerous crimes. The only reason the so called ideology was developed was to justify otherwise not understandable human behaviour.
Freedom of speech ends where the rights of numerous other individuals are being violated. National Socialism violates the rights of all victims, their relatives, and the Jews as a whole.
Using Nazi symbols is an insult to all of them.

Another reason people use the swastika as a flag is that they consider themselves role playing.
Role playing can not be an excuse for insulting other players and disgracing the memory of the dead. Even role playing has to follow certain rules. Role playing is not an excuse to forget the human basis. No one would think of using pictures/ terrorist symbols of the 9/11 attack as a basis for role play. Why not? Because there is a certain line that can not be crossed. Why allow people to cross that line for 1940 terrorists and mass murderers?

In conclusion there are many reasons for disallowing the swastika in a game like this.
Nazi symbols have no room in a game of diversity like NationStates.

Now we reach the important point in all of this.
NationStates is still place of nations with obvious Nazi character.
There are regions full of nations using other clear Nazi symbols with the goal of installing a supranational Nazi regime within the game.
Nations use tons of other Nazi symbols avoiding the swastika, but aiming at the same goal.

Why is it legal to use the SS symbol for example? The SS symbol even has a much worse history than the swastika. The SS was a group of ideological freaks who acted as the mass murderer executive branch. The caused the death of millions by running the concentration camps. And nations proudly use their symbol as identification. How can that be? Doesn’t this especially violate NS rules?

I ask the mods of this game to put an end to the use of all Nazi symbols, especially the ones of Nazi organisations worse than the swastika. All reasons for forbidding the swastika apply especially to symbols like the SS symbol.

Mods and Admin: Make up your minds and put an end to this inappropriate practise, so people can enjoy a truely fun game!
Calthola
06-09-2004, 15:05
Does anyone actually care part from you...its a game if ppl want to be nazi let them doesnt mean they approve of genocide
Kanabia
06-09-2004, 15:07
This has been discussed hundreds of times. They're not going to change anything, you should consider it lucky that they banned the swastika.
Gronde
06-09-2004, 15:09
Calthola took the words right out of my mouth. This is NS, we are allowed to have any kind of nation that we want, with the flags to match.
Kanabia
06-09-2004, 15:11
Wrong, you simply can't have a flag with a swastika.
Sumpy
06-09-2004, 15:15
I think the reason it was banned is because they don't want hatemail or complaints coming in from offended people. Which is reasonable. Why are you complaing about the banning of the swastika here? What, do you want it on your flag?If no then why make a fuss, its not your problem.
The Most Glorious Hack
06-09-2004, 15:15
Didn't we go through this last week?

Swasticas are banned; cope.
The policy isn't changing; cope.
This thread is locked; cope.

If you look, there's numerous threads about this sort of thing in this forum.