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I am from the region of Iran. Recently, the nation of Terrajeni from the region of The Army of Evil, came into Iran and took it over. Terrajeni put up a password and then left the region. Even though I am a native, Terrajeni never sent me the password and now my region has been left for dead. Isn't it against the rules to do what Terrajeni did to Iran?

Yes, I believe so, as long as you are sure you never received a telegram. Do you know if any other natives got a TM containing the password?

Also another offence by the region of "The Army of Evil" is one nation has cleared the CH board of "The Army of Evil" and that particular nation isn't the founder, this is spam.

This nation has also come in from a total different region to clear their boards... uhh... how kind?

"TAEGT" has been deleted for spamming the CH board of "The Army of Evil".

"Terrajeni" (puppetmaster of "TAEGT") has been deleted for imposing a password in reigon "Iran" without distributing it to the natives.

"Fleeb" has been deleted for committing mass ejections in "Iran" on August 19.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

Respectfully, I must protest that all the ejections carried out on August 19 in Iran were of invader nations being ejected in order to restore the region to its natives. They were carefully documented from the order of entry to the region and confirmed with multiple defender nation participants.

We respectfully appeal for the reactivation of Fleeb as innocent of all charges of mass ejection of valid nations in Iran on August 19.

Since Admirable ayatollah is founder and Fleeb isn't, it doesn't much matter what your motives were. Only founders have the right to mass-eject nations.

So known invaders may not be ejected? When did this become a rule?

So known invaders may not be ejected? When did this become a rule?


The rules on this game are fucked up.

IRAN. Ejections being discussed happened on August 19.

XML July 30:
<FACTBOOK>We have Nuclear Power Plans!
<br/>
Oops, did I say plans? I meant Plants of course ...
<br/>
The Ayatollah officially claimes all territories of the Middle East (because Allah wants it) and Central Asia (because Zarathustra said so).</FACTBOOK>
<NUMNATIONS>3</NUMNATIONS>
<NATIONS>jalalaba:glasthule:mashad_khorasan</NATIONS>
<DELEGATE>0</DELEGATE>

XML August 11:
<NUMNATIONS>18</NUMNATIONS>
<NATIONS>jalalaba:mashad_khorasan:napoleons_dynamite:saiyaland:fungusamngus:
redshirts:petoria_2:davids_country:kleos:utopiasarevok:tiger_stadium:fenderjazzland:
bunna-lopia:the_stink_sink:ananke:my_warrior_puppet:kb_marijuana:zeblon</NATIONS>This XML comes from an invasion on August 11, a mod report was filed as the invading nations (in bold) were suspected of being a UN Multi (wich I guess they were not, as these nations are still alive and in the UN today). Underlined are two known other non-natives.

And an XML from after August 19:

XML August 23:
<FACTBOOK>Iran has been liberated from the clutches of those who wish to forcefully take it, and is once again a safe place for nations to call home. A new delegate should be elected to help hold off further invasions. Let Freedom ring!
</FACTBOOK>
<NUMNATIONS>12</NUMNATIONS>
<NATIONS>jalalaba:mashad_khorasan:napoleons_dynamite:sterblicheverletzung:
abuela:hava_naghila:yalansai:whifoi:expendia:lufteland:fourleaf_cloverton:
lord_juggernaut</NATIONS>
<DELEGATE>0</DELEGATE>


So... which natives is Fleeb accused of having ejected?
Fleeb, do you have records of what you did on August 19?

Ballotonia

I fully backup Fleeb's version of events in Iran. When Fleeb moved in to defend the region, he only ejected the invaders. I ask that Fleeb be restored as soon as possible because he did not do anything wrong. Rather, he helped the region of Iran to free itself from the attacking nations that wished to do what The Army of Evil did in Iran. Fleeb's actions and motivations were just and sincere. Please restore Fleeb because he did nothing wrong.

Sincerely,
The United States of Grub
Founder - 10000 Islands & TITO

There has been a crossing of wires that has caused a good nation to be deleted for no good reason. The honorable nation of Fleeb was deleted for simply ejecting the invaders of the region of Iran. I ask that Fleeb be restored as soon as possible because he did not do anything wrong. Rather, he helped the region of Iran to free itself from the attacking nations that wished to do what The Army of Evil did in Iran. Fleeb's actions and motivations were just and sincere. Please restore Fleeb because he did nothing wrong.

Sincerely,
The United States of Grub
Founder - 10000 Islands & TITO

also see this thread (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=354906)

Hi there, i'm one of the natives of Iran, and I can confirm Fleeb was only ejecting invaders. One of the invaders even sent me this message, which proves he was up to no good.

The Democratic Republic of FenderJazzLand
Received: 26 days ago
you got egged.

Fleeb therefore did not mass-eject natives, only invaders. And since when is it forbidden to kick out invaders?

Fleeb was ejecting invaders, and should be restored.

*Tagged*

This is a severe blow for defenders. If a defender can't eject invaders anymore, this whole invading and defending business comes to a standstill. I wished mods would warn us first, before they change policy. :confused:

*Tagged*

This is a severe blow for defenders. If a defender can't eject invaders anymore, this whole invading and defending business comes to a standstill. I wished mods would warn us first, before they change policy. :confused:
It wouldn't be that great for invaders either, they couldn't eject defenders/ counter invaders.

So known invaders may not be ejected? When did this become a rule?The rules on this game are fucked up.

Good thing that's not a rule, huh? Invaders/Defenders may be mass kicked. The question is if the ejected nations were invaders/defenders of natives. However, I'm not going to unilaterally overrule Cog on this. He'll be on eventually and will look into this, I'm sure.

From what I've understood from talking to Melkor' on IRC, is that a native UN Delegate can be fairly liberal upon ejecting invaders, though best not to eject 100% of invaders just in case it is misunderstood, 50-60% is okay.

A defender placed UN Delegate less so, perhaps just the 'leader' of the invading nations.

Perhaps it would have been better to get Cogitation's version of events in the other thread before starting a campaign to get Fleeb back, eh?

A defender placed UN Delegate less so, perhaps just the 'leader' of the invading nations.

This has never been common practise and would be a major change of rules as I understand them... What is the point of successfully defending a region if you can't eject the unwanted intruders?


I call on the mods to reinstall Fleeb as soon as possible.
The honest statement of an Iranian native should be enough proove to illustrate Fleebs innocence.

Heftig

neo, that just sounds messed up..
i've often kicked large groups of invaders, hell, i think i kicked about 10 invaders or so once from a region with only 2 natives.
i'm sure this is just a misunderstanding

Fleeb was only ejecting invaders. Not a single native was ejected from this region by Fleeb. You as Moderates should know that invader ejecting is perfectly legal and I will stand to defend him.

I deleted "Fleeb" on the presumption that the ejected nations were natives.

I'll review the testimony, consult with other Moderators, and reconsider my decision.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

When do we get Fleeb back?

New Keam, it takes more than 15 minutes for the mods to consult with one another. Just be patient.

New Keam, it takes more than 15 minutes for the mods to consult with one another. Just be patient.

Yeah, sometimes even days. Just relax man :p

Fleeb (Flebe) very much appreciates the consideration of this case by the Mods and urges everyone to wait patiently while the wheels of justice make their slow evolutions. We have great confidence in the Mods' fairness, and especially Cogitation. Thanks to all who have shown their support, but do be patient now.

neo, that just sounds messed up..
i've often kicked large groups of invaders, hell, i think i kicked about 10 invaders or so once from a region with only 2 natives.
i'm sure this is just a misunderstanding

Hey, I'm just saying what I was told a bit ago, messed up or not. I didn't ask why it was the case or challenge the rules, wasn't my place to either.

thanks coggy, but this is this gonna go on your list of things to discuss which is now probably a mile long?

thanks coggy, but this is this gonna go on your list of things to discuss which is now probably a mile long?
This'll get priority since it's a specific incident. No policy changes are involved, just an interpretation of events and evidence, so it shouldn't take too long.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

okay, thanks coggy..
so, are your nuts behaving today? :p

That sounds like a personal question, there CG! ;)

Okay, here's what happened:

I was told that there had been a griefing incident in "Iran". When going to check, I noticed that there were many nations on the banlist and only 3 residents. The last Delegate, "Terrajeni" had also left a password on the region. None of the three residents had been telegrammed the password.

However, "Terrajeni" had not committed any ejections; the only ejections in the region (and there were 8 ejections) had been committed about 14 days earlier by "Fleeb". My conclusion at the time was that "Fleeb" had lead an invasion into "Iran", mass-ejected most of the natives from the region, and handed control over to "Terrajeni" who imposed a password without distributing it. Thus, "FLeeb" was guilty of griefing by mass-ejection of natives, and "Terrajeni" was guilty of griefing by failure-to-distribute.

My current theory is now as follows: "Fleeb" lead a defender action into "Iran" and mass-ejected several invaders from the region. He then left, and "Terrajeni" came in in a separate incident, imposed a password, and then left.

Thus, the deletion of "Terrajeni" will stand, but "Fleeb" has been restored.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

myr, read the ireland thread, should expalin it ;)

and thanks coggy. i'm sure fleeb will be happy tohave his nation back.

Thank you kindly, Cogitation and all mods, and congratulations on the execution of swift justice.

It is good to be breathing again! Resurrections are such worthwhile learning experiences.

Congratulations, Fleeb. Welcome back. :)

Received this overnight from "United Nations" with no other identifier as source:

>>Unforunately, after due consideration, the UN has been forced to reject your application to become a UN member. This is because your nation has been banned by the United Nations for past breaches of rules.<<

I do hope this is an error and not the considered judgment of the Mods, as at no time have we been in violation of UN rules.

We appeal this ruling and request renewal of our UN membership for Fleeb.

Received this overnight from "United Nations" with no other identifier as source:

>>Unforunately, after due consideration, the UN has been forced to reject your application to become a UN member. This is because your nation has been banned by the United Nations for past breaches of rules.<<

I do hope this is an error and not the considered judgment of the Mods, as at no time have we been in violation of UN rules.

We appeal this ruling and request renewal of our UN membership for Fleeb.
Oh, yeah, that's also my fault. :rolleyes: Sorry. :(

You had a couple of UN multi hits with a puppet. At the time, I thought you were a region griefer, so I ejected you and deleted you.

The UN ban has been lifted. You may reapply.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Somebody needs to Archive this thread as proof of moderator responsibility. Two - count 'em, TWO - moderation reversals that were reasonable, prompt, and appropriately polite and apologetic.


The era of the Evil Mods is gone. Oh, woe is me!