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This is a post made on my regional board. Ask anyone and they'll tell you that there was no provocation, no need for that outburst that he made, please tell me what you think.

"77 minutes ago The Completely Unrepublic of The Land of Glory We're all evil us English. We hate everyone and want to kill you all. We terrorise the world, destroy nations and national races and undermine governments, monarchies and overall authority in all places we can get our dirty, evil mits on. We've a lot in common with the Jews, really, if you think about it."

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi
will that direct you to it???
if not i've quoted it here.

to save you folks some trouble, working link to regional board is here:

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=england

Sanctaphrax: For future reference, the index.cgi link takes you to the NS homepage.

--Felix, nonmod

to save you folks some trouble, working link to regional board is here:

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=england

Sanctaphrax: For future reference, the index.cgi link takes you to the NS homepage.

--Felix, nonmod
thats what i thought,
thanks

speaking as a resident of england (although not there at the moment with this nations my puppet 'wackelly' is) i dont see anything all that wrong with it as is explained further down the page this was probably just an example of our 'english wit' as leet called it further down.
LoG is a highly active and normally very sensible poster in our region and i have never seen any evidence of racism.
But if we want to complain about something:
16 hours ago The People's Republic of Sanctaphrax You have just been reported to the mods you racist ****
there was no need for that. It was racist and unprovoked.
now that was uncalled for 'racist ****' i think is the biggest problem here.

[Moderator Edit - Cogitation] This seems to have caused some confusion, so I added QUOTE tags where I suspect they should go.

Note that I did not see the actual post on the regional Civil Headquarters board. [/modedit]

speaking as a resident of england (although not there at the moment with this nations my puppet 'wackelly' is) i dont see anything all that wrong with it as is explained further down the page this was probably just an example of our 'english wit' as leet called it further down.
LoG is a highly active and normally very sensible poster in our region and i have never seen any evidence of racism.
But if we want to complain about something:
16 hours ago The People's Republic of Sanctaphrax You have just been reported to the mods you racist ****
there was no need for that. It was racist and unprovoked.
now that was uncalled for 'racist ****' i think is the biggest problem here.
what did you expect me to post?
that post was a little bit racist i think. it really was very naughty of you so please stop!!!
i've asked him politely three times or more to stop it. Wackelly, remember the debate about Israel where me, Al Sahla and Leet were having a civilised debate and then suddenly he came in saying how the Israelis were murderers and how we should be thrown out of Israel. remember that, or did it slip your mind. It definitely isn't the first time I asked him and unless action is taken, it won't be the last.

there was no need for that. It was racist and unprovoked.

so you think it was provoked? what with me being in a different region???

It seems LoG isn't finished yet.
"and I'm tempted to call Sancta a "typical bloody Jew" just to piss him off further,"

ok to clear something up first of all the bit you've quoted me saying above was actually part of your original post on the regional board, sorry for the confusion there.
I'll admit that i dont watch the regional message board as much as i should and so dont actually remember that particular debate.

that post was a little bit racist i think. it really was very naughty of you so please stop!!!
Ok whats that about? :S

Ok whats that about? :S
let's assume you're a catholic (just a guess I have no real idea)
and someone comes up and says "G-D doesn't exist, Catholics are just trying to take over the world and kill everyone" what would you say??? how would you react??? please answer honestly.

for future reference mistakes don't bother me. As long as i can read it i won't comment. too late for that post though obviously!!!

ok not that it is in any way relevant i'll just point out that i'm not catholic but i will still do my best to answer honestly:

yes i do feel i would be annoyed about it, however rather then just label them as anti-catholic and complain about it i would ask them to produce proof of there claims and attempt to argue the point with them.

As LoG actually lives in england i think that rather than being serious it was meant to be an ironic comment and so not meant to be taken too seriously.
Also is it actually possible in the accepted sense of the word to be racist against your own country? Just out of curiosity.

ok not that it is in any way relevant i'll just point out that i'm not catholic but i will still do my best to answer honestly:

yes i do feel i would be annoyed about it, however rather then just label them as anti-catholic and complain about it i would ask them to produce proof of there claims and attempt to argue the point with them.

As LoG actually lives in england i think that rather than being serious it was meant to be an ironic comment and so not meant to be taken too seriously.
Also is it actually possible in the accepted sense of the word to be racist against your own country? Just out of curiosity.
yeah it is,
there have been stories of people leaving Israel because they didn't like it there and then becoming anti-Israel.
It shouldn't matter serious or not. Anyway I have seen previous posts of his which were Anti-Semitic and so i don't believe he meant it as a joke. what person's idea of a joke is "Jews are murderers who are trying to destroy the world" there is nobody in the world who would say something like that as a joke.
there is no proof in the world for "Jews are trying to destroy the world" the closest you can get is Stormfront or something like that, but they're not exactly objective:)
I admit I might have slightly overreacted but he's been irritating me since i posted that I was an Israeli Jew.

ok then, just hadn't heard of a person being racist against there own country that often, good point there.
on principle there is nothing in nationstates to say that people cannot post things that are anti-semitic or anti anything else, just as long as it isnt flaming or flamebait or anything similar to that and my opinion is that the message LoG posted isnt anything like that.
At worst i think this is an example of a few poorly chosen words on the part of LoG but having had many conversations with people in England since i moved there including LoG i dont believe that is the case either and from the look of the regional board a lot of people seem to agree with me on that point.
However since the request has been made here for the mods to look at it i'll just wait to hear what they say and if it turns out i am wrong on this issue then i will gladly apologise for it.
If you really are irritated by LoG couldnt you just RP a war or something to release some anger? Doesn't solve much i know but might make you feel a bit better?(just to make it clear i meant against LoG as opposed to a random war)

ok then, just hadn't heard of a person being racist against there own country that often, good point there.
on principle there is nothing in nationstates to say that people cannot post things that are anti-semitic or anti anything else, just as long as it isnt flaming or flamebait or anything similar to that and my opinion is that the message LoG posted isnt anything like that.
At worst i think this is an example of a few poorly chosen words on the part of LoG but having had many conversations with people in England since i moved there including LoG i dont believe that is the case either and from the look of the regional board a lot of people seem to agree with me on that point.
However since the request has been made here for the mods to look at it i'll just wait to hear what they say and if it turns out i am wrong on this issue then i will gladly apologise for it.
If you really are irritated by LoG couldnt you just RP a war or something to release some anger? Doesn't solve much i know but might make you feel a bit better?(just to make it clear i meant against LoG as opposed to a random war)
I could but he doesn't post on the forums very often and definitely not on the II forum!!!
It is flamebaiting because it was with the intention of irritating me. He's been doing it since he found out I was an Israeli Jew. therefore, it is exactly flamebaiting.

ok due to RL issues i'm going to have to vanish now (I hate having to do that in the middle of a debate) so i'll try to make this quick
Overall I don't think either of us are going to convince the other one to change their mind so how bout we leave it at this:
As far as you are concerned LoG is flamebaiting you and so the mods should do something about it.
I dont think that LoG has done anything wrong with this comment, as for any other posts made i haven't seen them and cant comment on what i havent seen.
I trust the mods to make a fair call on this and so will leave it at that and hope that it gets sorted.

ok due to RL issues i'm going to have to vanish now (I hate having to do that in the middle of a debate) so i'll try to make this quick
Overall I don't think either of us are going to convince the other one to change their mind so how bout we leave it at this:
As far as you are concerned LoG is flamebaiting you and so the mods should do something about it.
I dont think that LoG has done anything wrong with this comment, as for any other posts made i haven't seen them and cant comment on what i havent seen.
I trust the mods to make a fair call on this and so will leave it at that and hope that it gets sorted.
thank you for debating this with me,
I agree that we won't change each other's minds and I trust the mods to make a decision. I know that they're busy but if they could please find time to look at this. Thanks.

Sancta - you really can't see the forest for the trees, can you?

In reply to a certain Irish person's ruthless anti-Englishness I rhetorically compared the absurdity of the thought that English people are the lowest of the low to the Nazi and white supremacist conspiracist theories that Jews secretly rule the world and plot the destruction of their enemies.

I didn't mean to offend you or anyone else, and I'm sorry if your jump-the-gun attitude has brought us to the moderation forum - subsequently giving that certain Irish person the upper hand.

I do not remember at all ever making any anti-semitic posts previously - I remember the debate, but I was not that someone whom posted links to a Kosher tax conspiracy website. Nor was I one whom argued that Jews do not belong in Israel/Palestine, I infact support legal Israeli action for that matter, but this isn't for here. I sincerely and entirely doubt that I have ever posted a truely anti-semitic comment, for such is not of my nature and it would be somewhat hypocritical considering that I have some Jewish friends.

Once again I'm sorry if I had offended you, though I don't appreciate you quoting me and then cutting me short thus making me look guilty of the accused.

And thanks to Wackelli for defending me in my absence.


Here are the appropriate, unedited posts of the argument as far, in its entirety for the benefit of others: (please note the on-going disturbance from an Irish nationalist posting on our HQ and private fora)

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We're all evil us English. We hate everyone and want to kill you all. We terrorise the world, destroy nations and national races and undermine governments, monarchies and overall authority in all places we can get our dirty, evil mits on. We've a lot in common with the Jews, really, if you think about it.
No the problem with the English is we are just too damn good at everything!!
You have just been reported to the mods you racist ****
there was no need for that. It was racist and unprovoked.
I meant Land of Glory in case you hadn't guessed!!!
What the smeg's all this stuff about the English being evil?

Seems to me that we're all pretty darn good people just trying to get on with our lives while quaffing good beer and hating the French.

But then, who doesn't?
I'll go with that Kedanya, I think LoG was excercising our famous form of English wit "irony" and Phrax as usual was being the over sensitive Red Sea Pedestrian. Thats often the difference between ThEnglish and the rest of the world, our sense of humour.
Unless you are English, you just don't get it, which is has the effect of reversing out all the times other peoples refuse to speak English when they clearly do eg. the Welsh when an Englishman is present.
I think thats fair enough.
It was partially around Munster, but in fact encompassed a lot of what is today west nothern ireland. It doesn't matter what people there are now, what I am saying is that there is a lot of English blood (descent wise), in N.I and the Republic of Ireland. I am not contending whether plantation colonisation failed or succeeded.

I think I will agree with LoG here, we do get a lot of bloody stick from everyone... especially our neighbours...

Also, Sanc it wasn't racist at all. Look up the definition of what racism is please, I could see no mention of COLOUR of skin.

Ked, not just the French... you are either a Francophobe or a Germanophobe in England :D... I am the former... :d
Also, Sanc it wasn't racist at all. Look up the definition of what racism is please, I could see no mention of COLOUR of skin.

Racism isn't all about the colour of skin.

AS form the Oxford Concise Dictionary, 1991.

Racism: 1) a belief in the superiority of a particular race; prejudice based on this. 2) antagonisn towards other races, esp. as a result of this. 3) the thoery that human abilities are determined by race.
Seems some people haven't heard of rhetoric before, and I'm tempted to call Sancta a "typical bloody Jew" just to piss him off further, using the aforementioned irony combined with black humour only we do best.
You being the expert on Jews here, what would you say a "typical Jew" is exactly???
You know, you're seriously barking up the wrong tree here...

Sancta - you really need to get a life. Stop debating this, he made a joke which you didn't like so forget about it. You might not agree with his sense of humour so rather than get upset like an immature child, accept that the two of you will never be friends and leave it at that. :fluffle:

Not so much of a joke as a political statement, but thankyou nonetheless.

Sancta - you really need to get a life. Stop debating this, he made a joke which you didn't like so forget about it. You might not agree with his sense of humour so rather than get upset like an immature child, accept that the two of you will never be friends and leave it at that. :fluffle:
I don't know who the hell you are so don't start insulting me. I have forgiven LoG and will assume he won't say stuff like that again. or, if he does then not in a region i check on. I don't need you telling me what to do or say, this thread is in no way related to you so if you don't have anything useful to say then don't say anything. got it???

Sancta - you really need to get a life. Stop debating this, he made a joke which you didn't like so forget about it. You might not agree with his sense of humour so rather than get upset like an immature child, accept that the two of you will never be friends and leave it at that. :fluffle:
No sex: Official warning - flamebait

Normally, this gets a stern "You're not helping; knock it off" comment from me. Combined with your offensive national animal and currency, though, I've decided to make this an offiical warning.

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I don't know who the hell you are so don't start insulting me. I have forgiven LoG and will assume he won't say stuff like that again. or, if he does then not in a region i check on. I don't need you telling me what to do or say, this thread is in no way related to you so if you don't have anything useful to say then don't say anything. got it???
Don't eat flamebait.

I have forgiven LoG and will assume he won't say stuff like that again.
I trust, then, that this situation has already been resolved?

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

It has but unfortunately you'll find more insults on the England message board, a majority by Leetuania. Also if you're any good at Latin could you please tell me (anyone) what Yonkings wrote?
Sorry for the over reaction on the flamebait, seems to be a habit lately!!!

Can a mod (any mod) please check this???
thanks,

here's a comment by Leetuania.
"SanctaPrick has just had a pop at our sense of humour by sending me a snotty mail.
I enjoyed the banter for a while but now I'm glad he's gone. I think he is an over sensitive ****.
We had a saying when I was in the Royal Navy "Fit in or F*** off" We are England with our British sense of humour, there's none like it
Ra for Monty Python "Romanes Eunt Domus""
further ammo that I decided to add
"1 day ago The Kingdom of Leetuania Looks like Sanctiprix has moved to Tara for a while, we might get some peice for a bit to talk about stuff without risk of provoking a passover fight"

The Civil Headquarters board of "England":
1 day ago
The Constitutional Monarchy of Yonkings

Sancta' scribbled "Romanes Eunt Domus" then fled the country!!!

1 day ago
The Completely Unrepublic of The Land of Glory

That was them, Sancta, not me. lol

18 hours ago
The Dictatorship of Kedanya

The English are renowned for theri ability to laugh at themselves and their tolerance of all others - except the French.

But back to important stuff - anyone here go to the bog-snorkelling?

15 hours ago
The Darkness of Ealstan

All done island hopping. Back to The West Pacific.

8 hours ago
The Fiefdom of House -Harkonnen

laugh time is over stop it quit looking at my tail!sorry have not had a smoke in days

8 hours ago
The Empire of His Majesty

Right, this weeks UN resolution, how does everyone feel we should vote?

Reduction of greenhouse gases
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.

Hope everyone is having a good weekend :)

HM

8 hours ago
The Kingdom of Leetuania

SanctaPrick has just had a pop at our sense of humour by sending me a snotty mail.
I enjoyed the banter for a while but now I'm glad he's gone. I think he is an over sensitive ****.
We had a saying when I was in the Royal Navy "Fit in or F*** off" We are England with our British sense of humour, there's none like it
Ra for Monty Python "Romanes Eunt Domus"

7 hours ago
The Republic of The Luas

I say Ah-ha for Alan Partridge, then again, I'm prud to say, and he is too that he's half Irish so theres where he gets his sense of humour from.

Why do you english always have to curse? You know, you get deleted for cursing on Nationstates,

7 hours ago
The Kingdom of Leetuania

sorry

2 hours ago
The Republic of Wackelly

back on point a bit answering HM's question bout the UN resolution, I don't immediatly see a reason to vote against it.
On another note Sancta has gone now so can we maybe stop with the insults a little? Lets try to be civilised please


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Also if you're any good at Latin could you please tell me (anyone) what Yonkings wrote?
"Romanes Eunt Domus"? Not a clue. It's also hard to find a good English-Latin dictionary.

Sorry for the over reaction on the flamebait, seems to be a habit lately!!!
Yeah, you need to work on that; it's a problem. There's a reason the stuff is called "flamebait". Don't take the bait.

here's a comment by Leetuania.
"SanctaPrick has just had a pop at our sense of humour by sending me a snotty mail.
I enjoyed the banter for a while but now I'm glad he's gone. I think he is an over sensitive ****.
We had a saying when I was in the Royal Navy "Fit in or F*** off" We are England with our British sense of humour, there's none like it
Ra for Monty Python "Romanes Eunt Domus""
further ammo that I decided to add
"1 day ago The Kingdom of Leetuania Looks like Sanctiprix has moved to Tara for a while, we might get some peice for a bit to talk about stuff without risk of provoking a passover fight"
[Color enphasis mine.]

I have confirmed the comment in blue. The comment in red does not exist on the "England" CH board; I'm guessing it was bumped off. Besides which, it appears borderline, anyway.

I've issued a warning.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

"Romanes Eunt Domus"? Not a clue. It's also hard to find a good English-Latin dictionary.

LOL!!! Surely you must know this old chestnut?

It means "people called Romanes they go the house", but it should mean "Romans go home". Its a Monty Python joke from the Life of Brian.

To translate 90% of latin phrases used on the net, just Google. This (http://members.chello.se/hansdotter/romanes.html) should explain it.

It was bumped off because it was right up at the top when i added it, sorry.