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If you have a specific complaint about Myrth I suggest you take it to moderation. Otherwise you're just shooting off hot air. Make an accusation back it up and take it to moderation or shhh!

iLock!

Stephanie
Game Moderator
While I agree with all of this and I'm glad she locked the thread that she posted this on, I do have to look at both sides and make a defense for the starter of the now locked thread. If he wanted to complain about Myrth, how can he back up an argument based off threads that were deleted? Those threads aren't exactly retrievable.

This (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=353564) is the now locked thread that I speak of. However, don't even think that I'm trying to defend Dobbs Town because he continues to complain about the mods in General. I just thought that what I pointed out needed to be pointed out.

I personally think they're mad of the Paradise Club moves, which I think is a bad reason to be mad... I think Myrth is a wonderful Mod, he usually reacts as fast the Flash.

I personally think they're mad of the Paradise Club moves, which I think is a bad reason to be mad... I think Myrth is a wonderful Mod, he usually reacts as fast the Flash.
After the first one gets moved, can't you assume that any other similar ones would be moved as well? In dealing with mods, common sense is usually a good thing.

If a complaint was filed against a mod, it might as well be a few dozen pages long with some verifiable public evidence and a lot of support, because Max isn't going to take someone seriously if they say, "Oh, yeah, Myrth sucks!"

I'm just using that statement as an example.

If a complaint was filed against a mod, it might as well be a few dozen pages long with some verifiable public evidence and a lot of support, because Max isn't going to take someone seriously if they say, "Oh, yeah, Myrth sucks!"

I'm just using that statement as an example.
Right...and the point I was making in my post is that if Myrth deletes threads, there isn't much evidence that you can point out except the fact there is a deleted thread. You can't even bring up the content of that thread to argue whether or not the thread deserved being deleted. They should instead move the would-be deleted threads to a mod-only forum or something. That way if it was requested, the other mods could review that thread and determine whether or not the deleter of the thread was right (not that I'm questioning Myrth's decision, just pointing out a flaw).

I believe Jolt offers an Undelete option. Wasn't the old Paradise Club undeleted and moved to Jolt Spam? That sounds like an adequate audit trail to me.

In dealing with mods, common sense is usually a good thing.

But people don't seem to have that :rolleyes:

But people don't seem to have that :rolleyes:
Well, they do, it's just that the people with common sense use their common sense so they don't have to deal with the mods in the first place.

so um...are we allowed to complain about a mod here, or will it just get locked?

Locked maybe. I dont know. :confused: :confused: :confused:

It is proper to respectfully appeal a mod decision, if you wish. It might be helpful to you to hear how other mods (a Senior Game Mod, for instance) or maybe even just other players think about the situation.

Ballotonia

Okay, I'm here. I said it before in the other forum, and I'll say it again here: I don't think Myrth is properly even-handed. If racists and homophobes can have lingering threads, then what's with the unilateral quashing of threads that deal in nothing more than silly, tasteless larks?

If I got steamed with Myrth today, it was due to the fact that by deleting colodia's thread ENTIRELY, I'm left without clue one as to what the thread was about.

And even MENTIONING the subject of a humourous, if tasteless fictional match-up "grudge match" between a well-known corpulent Middle Eastern politician and his own weight in toddlers whose ethnicity would normally set them apart was enough to have yet another of my threads deleted. There, I protected the wide-eyed innocents whose eyes would surely have been burned out of their skulls if I'd used proper names.

So, does this thread now get deleted or something?

Part of me is so wound up right now, I'm having a fight-or-flight reaction. But I don't want to go.

So, what to do? Opal? Any suggestions?

I've got that feeling of being patronized going over here. As usual.

Why can't I post a humorous, if tasteless, comment or thread without having some lurking Mod going by the moniker of 'Myrth' slap it down? There are racists and homophobes, holocaust-deniers, frothing-at-the-mouth militarists, and the like, all of whom seem to be permitted long, luxuriantly lingering threads, while my cheekiness gets kicked in the head, time and time again.

I wasn't surprised when he hauled ass on me for mentioning a thread wherein I was asking the other players to give feedback on a nonsensical, fictional match-up between a well-known, corpulent Middle Eastern politician and that politicians' weight in toddlers whose ethnicity would usually prevent them form interacting. Not at all surprised.

The real reason I'm feeling so ticked off right now though, is because there was a thread that Myrth deleted entirely, one by colodia, and in so doing, not only prevented me from knowing what it was that got deleted, but having to read his/her unfunny message, concluding with HAHAHAHAHAHA totally got under my skin.

When I post something I think is humorous, I know I run the risk of offending someone. I also know that people have the ability to filter what they see and read. There's even an 'ignore' button, right? So why be so heavy-handed where larks are concerned? If I can put up with bigtime BS like the anti-transgendered threads, why can't other people put up with an obviously stupid thread like the one I mentioned above? (Wouldn't want to mention the names of the politician or the ethnic backbground of the toddlers, for fear of having THIS message locked/deleted, or worse.)

I don't like this unilateralism on the part of the mods. They're not coming off as much other than pontificating goons. And I don't like it much AT ALL.

I pretty much just repeated something I've already said, here. It's in another thread in this forum. So, sorry for repeating myself, etc.

Allow me to post some exerpts from that thread:

(in before the lock)

**awaits lockage or movement to spam forum**

I almost forgot...




+1
(this isn't spam, honest)


Hmm...

IN MY OWN THREAD BEFORE THE LOCK! UBER-PWNAGE!

dum-di-dum




Any questions?

Yeah? Well, by deleting the thread and adding a lame remark, you built up a mystique, didn't you? Given your predeiliction for stopping humour dead in its' tracks, it could have been...well, just about anything, couldn't it?

Why don't YOU think before taking action? WE have to think around YOUR editorial prejudices, so why don't YOU think of the ramifications of your unilateral decisions made without written justification? MAYBE that might keep nutters like ME from getting ticked off!

Sheesh!

+1



Sorry, myrth, no more, I just couldn't resist. :D

Well, steph said it was legal to complain in this thread:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=353564

So, I'd like to file a complaint about myrth. He's been way too strict lately, waymoreso then the other mods. Please tell myrth to chill out a bit or something, cause apparently i'm not the only one who think's he's a stiff. Just cause you've never had a gf, Myrth, don't take it out on us NSers wanting to have fun.

Well, steph said it was legal to complain in this thread:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=353564

So, I'd like to file a complaint about myrth. He's been way too strict lately, waymoreso then the other mods. Please tell myrth to chill out a bit or something, cause apparently i'm not the only one who think's he's a stiff. Just cause you've never had a gf, Myrth, don't take it out on us NSers wanting to have fun.

I feel that Myrth was right in locking the Paradise club.

And that last part is going to be considered a flame. I have never had a gf either. It ends up being a waste of time, a way to end a friendship, or you find out too much about someone and you never want to go out with them.

Myrth, when you delete threads, make sure that you delete all the spam posts so that they dont get credit for it.

Well, steph said it was legal to complain in this thread:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=353564

So, I'd like to file a complaint about myrth. He's been way too strict lately, waymoreso then the other mods. Please tell myrth to chill out a bit or something, cause apparently i'm not the only one who think's he's a stiff. Just cause you've never had a gf, Myrth, don't take it out on us NSers wanting to have fun.

Oh yes! Certainly, baseless insults are going to make me more receptive and less likely to ignore your complaint!

I have to say it, I've been confused by the style of moderating I've seen in here.

Before I begin in earnest, I should say first that none of my posts have been contested or deleted, therefore I feel I can be a little bit more detached (though I know better than to claim I'm completely dispassionate).

I really do not understand why the degree of extremism you see here is allowed, yet silly threads get deleted. For instance, look at Enodscopia's "Interracial Marriage" thread (I forget the exact title). While Enodscopia himself was not responsible for what happened, look at what people like Communist Mississippi did in that thread, spewing out clearly racist views. Not to mention that recent spate of neo-Nazi threads. The left has done similarly hateful things as well (such as the thread from that one guy wanting to go to war with America), but I can't remember a specific example, even though I know I've seen them.

Yet we see silly threads deleted--and often with taunts left by the deleting moderators in the "Reason" blank.

What I'm going to suggest may seem extreme here--but I think you almost have to go for an all-or-nothing mentality with the moderation in order for anybody to take you seriously. Either you delete EVERYTHING that strays beyond socially acceptable boundaries (I am still for debate--but it should be CIVIL), including both stupid joke threads AND debates that get out of line, or you just declare anarchy in here and do nothing. Otherwise, it's inconsistent--and the taunting comments when you guys DO exercise your power only further the image of hypocrisy and arbitrariness, and weaken any legitimate power you may be trying to exercise.

Please take this under consideration--I think you could help yourselves quite a bit by doing so.

Myrth, when you delete threads, make sure that you delete all the spam posts so that they dont get credit for it.

That's the point :D
What better way to reverse the silly '+1' business than to subtract it all again?

I have to say it, I've been confused by the style of moderating I've seen in here.

Before I begin in earnest, I should say first that none of my posts have been contested or deleted, therefore I feel I can be a little bit more detached (though I know better than to claim I'm completely dispassionate).

I really do not understand why the degree of extremism you see here is allowed, yet silly threads get deleted. For instance, look at Enodscopia's "Interracial Marriage" thread (I forget the exact title). While Enodscopia himself was not responsible for what happened, look at what people like Communist Mississippi did in that thread, spewing out clearly racist views. Not to mention that recent spate of neo-Nazi threads. The left has done similarly hateful things as well (such as the thread from that one guy wanting to go to war with America), but I can't remember a specific example, even though I know I've seen them.

Yet we see silly threads deleted--and often with taunts left by the deleting moderators in the "Reason" blank.

What I'm going to suggest may seem extreme here--but I think you almost have to go for an all-or-nothing mentality with the moderation in order for anybody to take you seriously. Either you delete EVERYTHING that strays beyond socially acceptable boundaries (I am still for debate--but it should be CIVIL), including both stupid joke threads AND debates that get out of line, or you just declare anarchy in here and do nothing. Otherwise, it's inconsistent--and the taunting comments when you guys DO exercise your power only further the image of hypocrisy and arbitrariness, and weaken any legitimate power you may be trying to exercise.

Please take this under consideration--I think you could help yourselves quite a bit by doing so.

Reasonable debate is part of what NationStates is all about. It's a political site, so all political opinions must be tolerated. We can't start censoring people just because we disagree with their politics. Provided they can debate in a civilised manner, then their opinions are welcomed. If you think something is crossing the boundry, post a link to it here and it will be reviewed.
Jolt has a Spam forum for senseless posts, they don't need to clutter up the General forum. If you would care to read the sticky at the top of the General forum: "Ruling on the General Forum", you will see that I moderate by those standards.

Incidentally, this was the snotty message I was referring to, from the thread by Colodia:

Thread deleted by Myrth
Reason: OMG I DELETE IT AND YOU LOSE ALL THE POSTS! HAHAHAHAHA!

I recognize some people are going to post political views that are loud, obnoxious, and I disagree with. The problem comes when a thread espouses outright hatred and sometimes even violence against others. That's where a definite cutoff belongs.

So, I'd like to file a complaint about myrth. He's been way too strict lately, waymoreso then the other mods. Please tell myrth to chill out a bit or something, cause apparently i'm not the only one who think's he's a stiff. Just cause you've never had a gf, Myrth, don't take it out on us NSers wanting to have fun.
lol!

no really, i too think that myrth is getting out of control. i respect the dude, and im sure he is a good mod- but leave us be. we arnt hurting anybody, we arnt disrespecting NS, and we arnt annoying any politicos-- so i dont see why you give us some breathing room. I dont see other mods getting on everybodys case all the time. Chill out bro.

I'm another NSer who thinks Myrth is humorless and reactionary. And a hypocrite. There's loads of tasteless, offensive threads that he allows to linger, so why should an obvious bit of fun be kicked in the teeth the way he does? And always, always...the omnipresent threat of deletion. Still more unilateralism. No action, just reaction. And no explicit justification, either. That burns, baby. That burns.

I don't want to repeat myself ad infinitum on this subject. But I detest posts that contain HTML referring to other posts as well.

I had an amusing little thread about pitting two absurd adversaries against one another, in an extremely obvious display of tasteless joke-telling, and it gets smashed coming out of the gate.

I've seen threads bashing transgendered people THRIVE in the same forum. Ditto race hatred. Ditto religious intolerance. Ditto fascist dictatorships. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Why the double-standard? Do you have to give up your sense of humour to become a mod?

Right...and the point I was making in my post is that if Myrth deletes threads, there isn't much evidence that you can point out except the fact there is a deleted thread. You can't even bring up the content of that thread to argue whether or not the thread deserved being deleted. They should instead move the would-be deleted threads to a mod-only forum or something. That way if it was requested, the other mods could review that thread and determine whether or not the deleter of the thread was right (not that I'm questioning Myrth's decision, just pointing out a flaw).

I 'Soft Deleted' it, meaning other moderators can view it.

Oh yes! Certainly, baseless insults are going to make me more receptive and less likely to ignore your complaint!

Sir: I want to know to what higher authority I may communicate with. It is patently obvious that through the act of ignoring NSers, you intend to retain your rigid control over our rights to speak freely amongst ourselves.

I now truly feel that your actions speak louder than your feigned inattention to the wasp's nest you have stirred up with your unthinking heavy-handedness, and I want to appeal your position as a mod on this forum.

Or do you prefer to silence me via the instrumentality at your fingertips, sir?
All you need to do is hit 'delete', and make your abuse of power plain for all to see.

I'm another NSer who thinks Myrth is humorless and reactionary. And a hypocrite. There's loads of tasteless, offensive threads that he allows to linger, so why should an obvious bit of fun be kicked in the teeth the way he does? And always, always...the omnipresent threat of deletion. Still more unilateralism. No action, just reaction. And no explicit justification, either. That burns, baby. That burns.

I don't want to repeat myself ad infinitum on this subject. But I detest posts that contain HTML referring to other posts as well.

I had an amusing little thread about pitting two absurd adversaries against one another, in an extremely obvious display of tasteless joke-telling, and it gets smashed coming out of the gate.

I've seen threads bashing transgendered people THRIVE in the same forum. Ditto race hatred. Ditto religious intolerance. Ditto fascist dictatorships. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Why the double-standard? Do you have to give up your sense of humour to become a mod?

Political opinions are welcomed here. Sharon vs. his own weight in Palestinian toddlers is not a political opinion. It is tasteless and likely offensive to some on this forum. And so it was locked.

If you wish to appeal my decisions, you are more than welcome to post a thread in here doing so, and another moderator can review it.
My moderating falls within the guidelines that have been set. If you have an issue with these guidelines, I'll gladly go fetch the admin to tell you exactly what I've just told you.

I 'Soft Deleted' it, meaning other moderators can view it.

I was going to post something indignant, but there's no point, it's all 'your' game, sir. I concede. It's not our field to play in; it's yours. Enjoy yourself as you play. Enjoy the little people, too, as they make funny little noises at you.

Seems to me that the collective mods are having a severe case of Real Life lately. I've seen fairly few posts from most of them, and I doubt it's been helped by the fairly recent retirement of Neutered Sputniks (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=326181) and Enodia (and semi-retirement / reinstatement of Stephistan (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=335865)). Tactical Grace (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=350480) has been largely absent for work, leaving (primarily) Cog, Hack, Sirocco and Myrth with what appears to be a virtual shitload of work. Of course, I have no idea what else is on their plates, but everyone who reads Technical and Moderation knows there's a backlog of Getting Help requests, too.

Along comes a few teens who delight in baiting the mods with lock suggestions and semi-spam topics, and when Myrth makes good on those threats y'all come down here and open three or four topics about it. Personally, I think they're all showing remarkable restraint with the lot of you. You know the rules about spam, yet you do your very best to skate the edge around it.

I'm no mod-lover, but I recognize what they have to put up with. You guys are pushing, and it's for no reason other than your egos. Why don't you cut the guy some slack, and maybe he'll cut you some. If you really want to waste someone's time, I have it on good authority that you can write admin@nationstates.net to request a review of moderator actions. When Max or [violet] pins your ears back for wasting their time, maybe then you'll listen.

I Am Not A Teen. I Am 35 Years Old. Get Over Yourself.

I (a non-mod) am going to have to side with Myrth on this one. Dobbs Town, your "humorous" threads that are getting deleted are tasteless.

I Am Not A Teen. I Am 35 Years Old. Get Over Yourself.

You're not exactly endearing yourself to me.

And anyway, I'm leaving, you can all breathe easy, and chuckle with knowing nods of your heads that your fiefdom is contained.

And in the interests of keeping the forum reasonably well ordered, I've merged all the threads on this matter.

That's the point :D
What better way to reverse the silly '+1' business than to subtract it all again?


There's a way to actually change post count without actually deleting threads, just whomp the offenders down to 3 or so posts

You're not exactly endearing yourself to me.

And you never went out of your way to endear yourself to me, either. /instead, you've chosen to power-trip, and label this thread 'Bash the mods day' as well.

Now I am SO freakin' OUT of here- I feel dirty...

There's a way to actually change post count without actually deleting threads, just whomp the offenders down to 3 or so posts

There is, but unfortunately it's beyond my power. Only those with admin permissions can do that.

Seems to me that the collective mods are having a severe case of Real Life lately. I've seen fairly few posts from most of them, and I doubt it's been helped by the fairly recent retirement of Neutered Sputniks (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=326181) and Enodia (and semi-retirement / reinstatement of Stephistan (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=335865)). Tactical Grace (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=350480) has been largely absent for work, leaving (primarily) Cog, Hack, Sirocco and Myrth with what appears to be a virtual shitload of work. Of course, I have no idea what else is on their plates, but everyone who reads Technical and Moderation knows there's a backlog of Getting Help requests, too.


It sounds like the moderators might need to ask for a few applications. After all, is it not a logical decision to increase one's workforce when the work becomes too much for the current personnel? Even though I'm not very inclined in business affairs, I do understand that personnel of any considerable skill and emotional fortitude that retire must be replaced as soon as possible to keep a constant workload without placing undue pressure on others.

I can assume that this forum with all of its idiosyncrasies, frustrations, and technical problems would be a pain for the most dedicated full time (and paid) staff. There are plenty of ordinary people who I see on the moderation thread who would be perfect for the management of the more "basic" decisions of thread management. This would leave the existing core of moderators and administrators to focus on the more technical aspects of the game and the forum.

Now I can understand that I, a general nation with only a few months under my belt and almost no experience assisting people in moderation, would not have as much of an impact as a year plus old nation with hundreds of posts assisting newer nations from day one. However, if moderators are feeling the workload from this forum, and that work directly interferes with their personal lives, then they should not lose face in calling for assistance.

I don't know enough about the workloads of the current moderation staff to be certain of this, but there are mitigating factors. If you look at this topic (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=296993), you'll see that there are a total of 17 active mods and admins. I only listed four (five with Stephistan) because those are the ones I've seen recently.

Also, bear in mind that it's back-to-school season. While I don't know if any of the current mods are in school, it's equally possible that they are teaching or interning or such. Summer-to-fall is a hectic time for a lot of folks.

These folks are slamming Myrth because he's the most visible. Stomping mods is a time-honored NS tradition, and I hope Myrth doesn't get all pissy 'cause he's the obvious target. *mirth towards Myrth intended* It actually seems pretty quiet around here by comparison to some. If anyone is blowing up the feeder regions or hacking into the Warzones, they've been pretty quiet about it. I think they've got enough staff to deal with topic moves and spammers.

Aye. I'm the only full-time Forum Moderator. Stephanie keeps an eye on General, and the others will deal with requests in here, but other than that it's just me.

grrrr I see that this wont get the effect i'm looking for

Allow me to post some exerpts from that thread:

Any questions?

Ya know, Myrth, if you weren't notorious for doing it, it never would have started in the first place.

And don't give me the whole "It's pointless spam" crap. There are threads that are so worthless it's not funny. Besides, if you really want to cut the spam, than why not lock the ten thousand Bush/Kerry bashing threads? Half of them are pointless flames anyway.

Or the, "I'M GAY AND PROUD!"
And, because I know I'll get flamed if I don't say this, "I'M NOT GAY AND I'M PROUD"

Or, "Who are you voting for?"
Or, "I'm voting for..."
Or, "This is funny, Click Here"
Or, "What are you wearing?"

Why isn't all that spam? There's ten thousand threads just like them, why don't they post there?

And do you know how many flames I get by simply saying "I am a Christian"?
Do you know how many people post "BUSH/KERRY SUCKS!"? It's "+1" by a different name.


Seriously, lighten up! The servers can handle it now. With the old servers, you had an excuse, but now you don't have any reason to be this harsh!
Either stop ignoring the actual crap, or lighten up on the funny stuff that's actually worth reading.

BTW, http://www.myfreeib.com/members/?mforum=SSA if you want to actually have some fun. It's all about the spamming and stuff that you're not allowed to do here.

And do you know how many flames I get by simply saying "I am a Christian"?
Do you know how many people post "BUSH/KERRY SUCKS!"? It's "+1" by a different name.


Seriously, lighten up! The servers can handle it now. With the old servers, you had an excuse, but now you don't have any reason to be this harsh!
Either stop ignoring the actual crap, or lighten up on the funny stuff that's actually worth reading.

Exactly the point I was getting at with my own post: either ALL of the restrictions (flaming AND spamming) have to be enforced, and consistently so, or NONE of them are enforceable.

And contrary to another person's post, I've never had even so much as a single post of mine deleted, nor have I got any personal grievance against Myrth or any particular person. The only personal issue I have ever had is that due to the general climate (I refer to unchecked flaming by extremists on both left and right) there have been many times when I have not felt comfortable entering debate due to what I've seen happen. The debates I see are only half-civilized at best. And I feel that one of the causes of this climate is a policy (or application thereof) that I'm finding nonsensical and I agree with those who suggest the need for a change.

Oh...and I'm not a teenager, either.

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but I just saw it so...
Post deleted
Reason: OMG I DELETE IT AND YOU LOSE ALL THE POSTS! HAHAHAHAHA!

WTF?

Also, as Raishann pointed out, there is hardly any real debating going on. Whenever you try to start one, someone flames, and then everyone flames.
It's so bad, that I refuse to even look at any thread about Bush or Kerry. There is NO real debates. Ok, maybe one or two, but every single one has flaming. Are they locked?

Also, let's take a look at something...
Somewhere in some FAQ it says that posts like "I think that all Jews should [insert bad thing here]" are not acceptable, and yet I see that kind of crap all the time.

And again, do you realize just how many flames one can get by simply stating their religion or sexual orientation? Ok, when straight people are being flamed by homophobes, you know there's a problem.

Oh...and I'm not a teenager, either.
There are teens on this site that post insightful, witty posts, and there are adults who can't seem to put two letters together. The two first topics were from Opal Isle and Japacia, both of whom have posted player profiles with their ages. Dobbs Town I made a presumably incorrect assumption about based on his posting style. Sorry.

I have no intention of tarring all teens with a 'spammer' brush, but Japacia seems to delight in baiting the mods with spam deliberately requesting lockage. I'd rather not waste my time with that, and when I can identify it I do stay out of those topics. When it spans topics that I'm interested in, it's awfully hard to avoid. There is an open invitation for anyone to post in the Jolt Spam forum, but Japacia has stated openly that he prefers to do it here on NS.

There is surely a lot of idiotic political 'debate' here, but it's a political simulation game. Even when those posts might be deliberately trolling for responses, I find censorship of outrageous opinions a difficult pill to swallow. I have no such compunctions about spam topics.

Of course I'm clearly not a mod, and this is entirely my opinion.

Yeah, but see, as soon as you mention you're a teen, half the people ignore you, and the other half start flaming.

And I hate JoltSpam. It sucks. NS is much more fun, or at least, it would be.
I never post in JoltSpam, because most if it is actual, pointless spam. You can't even post worthwhile funny threads because it turns into "+1" or whatever. I'm all for spamming and having fun, but you can't even have a non-serious debate there.

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but I just saw it so...

WTF?

That bit by Myrth I did put in this thread, unless it was somehow missed when all the threads got merged. I thought it was quite an immature display. Why should the mods match what they perceive as immaturity (and since most of the time I don't see the deleted threads, I can't judge) with immaturity of their own? Are they not supposed to uphold a higher standard of conduct?

And about the blatant hate and flaming, I think that is a very severe culture problem that needs to be looked at carefully. I do not have the time to go through every single thread, but if someone does have time, I highly suggest that NSers make a comprehensive list of that kind of stuff. I have a feeling the numbers of threads affected is going to be STAGGERING. Which suggests a problem on the culture of NS itself, that is going unaddressed.

BTW, for the record I meant no insult to those teens who make useful contributions. My reason for saying what I did was to prove that it was not just one particular demographic that had a complaint.

you guys need to lighten up and perhaps grow thicker skins. There is hardly any flaming on these forums. Apart from a few loonies like NWV no one is really very insulting. Anyone who is offended by Myrth saying hahahahaha needs to sedriously search their soul and see if they have any sense of humour at all. Would you rather he had no personality at all.

I think that if the mods can end the so-called "tasteless" threads, they can certainly do something about therampant Bush vs Kerry and countless other repetative threads which eat up valuable bandwidth instead of wasting their time iLocking insignificant threads that MIGHT offend someone... :rolleyes: and they wonder why they have people who bash them; well, it's no wonder with the kind of tactics that they have.

And I personally am fed up with them.

Do something about ALL pointless, flame-baiting, trolling and spam-fed-up threads or leave them all alone... Either deal with all of the threads equally, or don't bother at all.

you guys need to lighten up and perhaps grow thicker skins. There is hardly any flaming on these forums. Apart from a few loonies like NWV no one is really very insulting. Anyone who is offended by Myrth saying hahahahaha needs to sedriously search their soul and see if they have any sense of humour at all. Would you rather he had no personality at all.

Ok, if you don't notice the flames, than you've got issues. (<- see there, a flame! :D )

And it's not that Myrth laughed, it's that he's locking and deating threads for stuff like this. It's called "hypocricy"

the numbers of threads affected is going to be STAGGERING

Indeed. In my experience, nearly every single thread has at least one flame or troll in it, if it's got more than a page of posts.

Ok, in the mods' defense, they do have a tough job. They are giving of their valuable time to do this.
But, as good as their intentions may be, if they can't do the job, then they can't do the job.
The whole, do the job well or give it to someone who can....

And not all the mods are bad...just some...

Ok, if you don't notice the flames, than you've got issues. (<- see there, a flame! :D ) I dont see the flame

It's called "hypocricy"
Actually I think the word you are looking for is hypocrisy. Why shouldnt he move spam threads to the spam forum anyway. That's what its there for.

Ok, if you don't notice the flames, than you've got issues.

Meh, moving is fine, but they just delete a lot of them. And as I said, JoltSpam sucks.

And so I can't spell. It's late. I just did a marching band show. Give me a break.

If you think someone is flaming, report it here. I'm not omniscient. I don't automatically know when flaming is going on. I cannot be excepted to trawl through 8 pages of debate to find an example of flaming.
Pointless and spammy threads are a lot easier to spot and destroy, because of their sheer obviousness.

Now then, you can sit and complain about the flaming, without drawing on any examples, all you like. Until you start pointing me in the direction of the so-called flaming, I can't find it. Kind of renders your argument void seeing as I can't moderate what I can't see.

Now then, I don't like Nazis, racists, homophobes, xenophobes, etc. as much as the next person, but that doesn't mean I or any other moderator are going to start censoring them because people don't like it. When I lock a political debate thread because it is 'offensive,' I am enforcing what is one person's idea of what's offensive. Similarly, when I lock such a thread, I also prevent the 20 replies to it telling that person how stupid it is.
I can assure you, this is the position of the admin, and will not be changed.

...leaving (primarily) Cog, Hack, Sirocco and Myrth with what appears to be a virtual shitload of work.
...and boy, does it stink.

--The Jovial States of Cogitation

...

It sounds like the moderators might need to ask for a few applications. After all, is it not a logical decision to increase one's workforce when the work becomes too much for the current personnel? Even though I'm not.... <snip>
The basic problem is that we have to be careful about who we appoint a Moderator. We don't want to appoint someone and then have them turn renegade.

We also don't want to be flooded with requests of "Oooh! Can I be a Mod? :D ". Those who are too eager to become a Moderator are, in our opinion, more likely to abuse that power.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

...and boy, does it stink.

--The Jovial States of Cogitation

...


The basic problem is that we have to be careful about who we appoint a Moderator. We don't want to appoint someone and then have them turn renegade.

We also don't want to be flooded with requests of "Oooh! Can I be a Mod? :D ". Those who are too eager to become a Moderator are, in our opinion, more likely to abuse that power.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
Moderators need a more relaxed attitude, and you'll see that it works out fine on the end. :p :cool:

Now, I'm not much of a poster on the forum, more of a browser, but I just had to say *something.*

Myrth, and all the other mods, have been doing a fine job. Otherwise, they wouldn't be mods, would they? ;) It looks to me like a case of someone getting upset about a thread lock, and whole bunch of other people with nothing to do jumping on the bandwagon for Myrth bashing. Myrth has been a mod for how long? (I can't remember, but I think it's 4 months? 5?) And he's still on the mod team. I seem to remember Tactical Grace coming under similar fire in his early FM days as well.

But there's still always admin@nationstates.net if you seriously want to pursue this.
:)

Rhyno, I agree with everything you have said in this thread.

especially http://www.myfreeib.com/members/?mforum=SSA right?

Rhyno, I agree with everything you have said in this thread.

Yes, you agree, but you have no evidence to back up anything, anyone, in this thread has said against Myrth or any other moderator, in fact.

Can we lock this? It's redundant, and the posters know their options.

This area is devoted to political discussions. And someone is getting upset because the mods cancelled their thread about...fluffy stuff.

Dobbs, if you were looking for a place to discuss "fluffy fun stuff," then the appropriate forum would be a place DEVOTED to fluffy fun stuff, would it not?

The mods are here to help ensure this group stays within shouting distance of discussions on par with political debate. Discussions about communism, facism, Bush, Kerry, imperialism, racism, etc. all qualify. Discussions about Sharon's favorite kind of kitty-kat don't seem to do so.

This area is devoted to political discussions. And someone is getting upset because the mods cancelled their thread about...fluffy stuff.

Dobbs, if you were looking for a place to discuss "fluffy fun stuff," then the appropriate forum would be a place DEVOTED to fluffy fun stuff, would it not?

The mods are here to help ensure this group stays within shouting distance of discussions on par with political debate. Discussions about communism, facism, Bush, Kerry, imperialism, racism, etc. all qualify. Discussions about Sharon's favorite kind of kitty-kat don't seem to do so.

But there are plenty of threads out there that don't fall into political debating, but don't get locked.

Oh, and just because there's JoltSpam doesn't mean it's better.
There's a JoltGeneral, so why don't you send all the "general" threads there?

Yes, you agree, but you have no evidence to back up anything, anyone, in this thread has said against Myrth or any other moderator, in fact.

Can we lock this? It's redundant, and the posters know their options.

He's a stupid poopy head. http://img89.exs.cx/img89/7003/shiftyeyes.gif

He's a stupid poopy head. http://img89.exs.cx/img89/7003/shiftyeyes.gif
*coughshecough*

He's a stupid poopy head. http://img89.exs.cx/img89/7003/shiftyeyes.gif

No, he's not; you just don't follow the rules and think you're above them and that Myrth might become your "friend" here so you won't have to abide by those rules.

Myrth sees right through it, sees the immaturity of your posts and that you're juat here to seek attention, and has no time for that.

No, he's not; you just don't follow the rules and think you're above them and that Myrth might become your "friend" here so you won't have to abide by those rules.

Myrth sees right through it, sees the immaturity of your posts and that you're juat here to seek attention, and has no time for that.

Of course i'm here to seek attention. This is NS, we all want attention. Just as you do, with your "helpful" hints in moderation.

And rhyno, i was talking about myrth, not th.

Of course i'm here to seek attention. This is NS, we all want attention. Just as you do, with your "helpful" hints in moderation.

And rhyno, i was talking about myrth, not th.

Oh, well then...yeah...

Of course i'm here to seek attention. This is NS, we all want attention. Just as you do, with your "helpful" hints in moderation.

First, don't speculate as to my "agenda" within NationStates; you don't know, you have no clue, don't do it. End of story.

Secondly, you should be forum banned, and the mods have been more than kind as to not doing that just, yet.

Third, you don't seem to understand that the "fun" of this site lies in the fact that it's a political simulation. Spam is not political, thus, it's why a good deal of us political debaters do it elsewhere rather than in General anymore because spammers, like yourself, hijack our threads, troll in our threads, and reduce them down to flames and locks.

I find fun in political debating. I don't find it in spam. There's a Jolt spam forum, you have the SSA, why can't you just do it there and leave us and General the hell alone?

So what if you want attention? I couldn't care less, the only attention you're getting is negative attention, because let me tell you, I don't find you amusing or funny or intelligent in conversation one bit, Japaica; Rhyno D's proven himself to be much more than a spammer and as such, has become not only a friend, but a valuable companion for me on NationStates. I see no future for you, if you continue to be nothing but a spammer, on NS but a forum ban and someday a permanent ban.

If you feel the need to blame everyone else for your attention-seeking behavior, take it elsewhere; we don't care, the only reason we're against it is because you're ruining a game that you have no concept of and that you don't understand the point of... besides, perhaps you should seriously reconsider why getting attention on forums where you will never meet the people you are relating with is so important on you.

If you check out my name under the search, you'll find I used to frequent General much more often than I do now, but now I steer clear, because of spammers like you.

Now, Japaica, you're defending yourself and that's the only reason this point is directed straight to you. I believe my statements in this post also relate to every other spammer in the game, it just so happens, you're trying to put yourself out there as the "face of spamming," and as such, have subjected yourself to the target of this debate.

Personally, I couldn't care less what you do elsewhere, but this game has a purpose and you're not practicing it. Just like a lot of others, and it's about time they're weeded out.

Not to call you a liar, or anything, and I really appreciate you calling me a friend.

The reason I stear clear is because there isn't any spam. Now, I'm not talking "+1" stuff. That is boring, and can get old. I'm talking just plain fun. Like the Paradise Club...just havin' a good time, right?

And frankly, the debates are getting crappier and crappier. What's actually worth debating is repeated 20 times, so there's no point.

I don't advocate all out spam for all, but just relax on some of the fun non-political threads, and focus more on deleting repeat debates and flamers and actual stupidity.

Now, Jap's my friend too. I know he goes too far a lot of times, but sometimes he is funny. I'm not sayin' he's not at fault, just that he's not the only one. I remember when I first joined, I got flamed a lot for my christian threads (with a different nation). When I complained, all I got was "ignore them." I don't see why that advice can't apply to spammers. Yes, some of it is just obscene, or too low-brow to be allowed, but a lot of it you should just ignore. Ignore it, and it'll eventually go away, because attention seekers won't be getting the attention they want. Even if it doesn't go away, it won't matter, because you won't care about it.

Now, all that being said, Jap, you do need to tone it down a bit. NS isn't as spam friendly as SSA.