NationStates Jolt Archive

A few days I reported the nation "Powdia" for having a Nazi flag. I realise the mods can be busy, but he even replied to my thread and still carries this terrible flag, maybe I posted my complaint wrongly (in which case I wont get response, and I guess no action is taken), but on the other hand I dont want to get too Pushy (I think, by starting this thread I already am :p). Anyway, I would be glad to see his Nazist symbol change.

Well then we should change a number of flags in the game. So what if the guy has a Nazi flag. I think people shouldnt have the McDonalds flag...that shit is killing more people than the nazis ever did. Ease up bud...itll all be ok in the end.
hey...all nazis werent that bad...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

"]I was asked (a while back now) to make a judgement on whether swastikas are acceptable to use in nation flags.

After consideration, I've decided: No.

Players who use swastikas in their nation flags should change them.

While this site generally allows for political debate and discussion, nations are held to a higher standard than forum posts, because there is no right of reply. An offensive post can be debated -- hopefully to the point where the poster learns something -- but an offensive flag, motto, or nation name just sits there.

The swastika is intricately associated with the Holocaust in public consciousness, and, as one of the greatest tragedies of the last century, it can reasonably be considered offensive for players to appear to endorse or celebrate it.

I understand that at least a few players who use swastikas in their flags do not intend this outcome, and can probably give me a long history lesson on the symbol; nevertheless, that is not the message the image sends.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=275081

You're putting me near to boiling point, I have very good reasons why to hate these people. And their flag is offensive, but above all against the rules. Powdia's flag should be torn down from the flag post immediately. And if he disagrees torn down the nation with it.

Well, reporting offensive flags are suppose to go through the Getting Help page... also, the mods are busy, they will get to this when they can do so.

Well then we should change a number of flags in the game. So what if the guy has a Nazi flag. I think people shouldnt have the McDonalds flag...that shit is killing more people than the nazis ever did. Ease up bud...itll all be ok in the end.
hey...all nazis werent that bad...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

This appears to be flamebait, if not a flame.

Anyways, back to your 100% wrong statement. The Nazi's (their politcal police the SS) killed about 11 million people. 6 Million because of their religion, and 5 million because they were in the way of the "German Lands". McDonalds doesnt kill anyone, its people that cant take responsibility for what they eat and they gain weight.

Not only that but until the end of the Nazi Rule the germans(other than the jews) as a people didn't try to oust Hitler. So by complacency effectively most if not all non-Jewish germans who were alive at the time were at least half bad. and as if to compound that the germans have now taken to calling the ousting of hitler by the allies the liberation. but is that the way they felt then, I think not! :gundge: :mp5: :sniper: :headbang:

This is just a simple statement to say that my flag has been changed by the mods, so stop complaining. Nazis, and several other groups in the world, have the right to spread their views and beliefs, so stop complaining. The flag has been changed on Nationstates, but nobody can take away the political believes of someone, especially in a game where you can "Build a nation and run it according to your own warped political ideals."

The fact is what is written on the nationstates first page is a lie, and that the statement " Care for your people or deliberately oppress them." is also not true.

I do not agree with the taking-away of my flag, but it has happened. get over it.

Kill nazis ban them on nationstates wage war against them

i propose a purge against them all nations unite and fight the menace

I do not agree with the taking-away of my flag, but it has happened. get over it.


http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/02222/page=upload_flag

"Your flag must be:

...appropriate. This means conforming to site etiquette and being suitably flag-like. Images likely to cause widespread offense (e.g. nudity, swastikas) are prohibited, and your nation may be deleted if you post them."

I find crosses, stars of david, cresents, and other symbols of a religious nature to be offensive. Could we please ban those, too?

(Actually I have no problem with such imagery at all. I'm just making a point. Anything and everything is going to be offensive to someone somewhere.)

I find crosses, stars of david, cresents, and other symbols of a religious nature to be offensive. Could we please ban those, too?

(Actually I have no problem with such imagery at all. I'm just making a point. Anything and everything is going to be offensive to someone somewhere.)

If I was arguing with you here I would ask "which bit of 'likely to cause widespread' didn't you understand?" but I'm not, so I won't.

you cnt propose a crusade against nazi's, jus like according to you nazi cannot do it to jews ect. Its ridiculous, nazi's are here to stay, probably just like you, we are not threatening you at the moment, so shut up for a goddam change. i have problems with communists and liberals, just like you do with me, there is no difference between our wars against other regions.

One: The mods decided, long ago, that swastikas and swastika-like symbols (including a Buddhist religious symbol) are not permitted on national flags. This does not constitute a "crusade against nazis", it's simply apolicy decision. If I remember correctly, Cogitation has noted that it was banned for flags because a flag cannot be easily debated. There's nothing stopping Nazis from getting on the forums to debate and show off their beliefs.

Two: Moderation is not the place to debate Nazi beliefs. It is not the place to talk about killing and purging Nazis, it is not the place to discuss whether Nazi politics are right or wrong. General is the proper place for real-world politics.

That is all.

Not quite all, Raem.
you cnt propose a crusade against nazi's
Three: Powdia, they can indeed propose such a crusade. In case you'd forgotten, this site is the private property of Max Barry. He and his designated staff may propose and impose any limitations they like.

If you want a game that includes 100% unlimited free speech, you should start one of your own.

i have problems with communists and liberals, just like you do with me, there is no difference between our wars against other regions.

Nobody here has a problem with you. Believe what you want, follow who you want, and do what you wish; however, you are in violation of the rules of this site, and regardless of what you believe, others are punished - just like you - for rule violations all the time.

Its ridiculous, nazi's are here to stay, probably just like you, we are not threatening you at the moment, so shut up for a goddam change.


Did anyone else find that a little disturbing?

Also, the Nazi flag, if on this site, would result in the site being banned by Germany and Sweden's internet servers.

It looks like another Game Moderator took care of this complaint recently.

I trust, then, that the situation has been resolved?

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

A few days I reported the nation "Powdia" for having a Nazi flag. I realise the mods can be busy, but he even replied to my thread and still carries this terrible flag, maybe I posted my complaint wrongly (in which case I wont get response, and I guess no action is taken), but on the other hand I dont want to get too Pushy (I think, by starting this thread I already am :p). Anyway, I would be glad to see his Nazist symbol change.

I’m assuming that the flag in question is the Swastika.

There are posts on this thread and in previous ones that deal with this issue that raise some interesting points. Why is the Israeli flag allowed? Isn't that offensive to muslims? What about the communist flag? Surely seeing the emblem of the USSR might be offensive to people of Ukrainian descent who died in vast numbers under Stalin. Or to Cubans in the US, or to Chinese-Americans who escaped the laogai...

I know that Max has the right to make the rules and if he finds the swastika particularly offensive then fair enough. But you do open a can of worms when you discriminate against one type of symbol but leave all the other political symbols alone.

My real point is that even if a particular flag is offensive to Ukrainians, to Cubans, to Jews, then so what? Is a Jew going to shrivel up and die because he sees a swastika in here? The Germans might subjectively have a valid reason to ban the swastika, but this is not Germany, and so for NS to do it to (apparently) placate a particular group of very sensitive people does seem rather sad.

If I was arguing with you here I would ask "which bit of 'likely to cause widespread' didn't you understand?" but I'm not, so I won't.

Okay, cool.

A few days I reported the nation "Powdia" for having a Nazi flag. I realise the mods can be busy, but he even replied to my thread and still carries this terrible flag, maybe I posted my complaint wrongly (in which case I wont get response, and I guess no action is taken), but on the other hand I dont want to get too Pushy (I think, by starting this thread I already am :p). Anyway, I would be glad to see his Nazist symbol change.

I see people who have Israeli flags. It pisses me off, but that's okay. Know why? Because I believe that they should be able to express their opinions with a flag of their choice. If they like Israel, use the Israeli flag. If they're skinheads, make a swastika flag. If the neo-nazis don't use a swastika on NS, they'll express they're hatred in other ways. The message still gets across, just not in flag form. By telling the Mods (like a pussy), not only do you not solve anything, you make it worse. They're nation gets deleted, and now they're gonna hate the "Jew-run media" even more. Congratulations, dumbass!!
Also, the US media IS Jew-run. I'm not racist, either. Or Palestinian.

Get over it. Swasticas have been banned for over a year, and we've heard every argument against the ban. It ain't changing. Deal.

If you want to show the world that you're a Nazi, use the Iron Cross. Or the treskelion. Or the SS "lightning bolts". You get the picture.