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I am requesting NS Moderation oversight and possible intervention with regards to the refounding of NAZI EUROPE just hours ago.

My interest here is that like NE, my home region Imperial Europe is also undergoing a refounding. Both NE and IE were originally created by the now DOS (Delete On Sight) NS player, Hitlers Austria/Puerto Centro (respectively).

It was my understanding that if one was planning on accomplishing a refounding (in essence creating a new region with the same name and giving it a new founder) that certain conditions would apply --

1) That it would be devoid of nations naturally (nations departed on their own power)
2) That nations had to have given prior permission via verifiable telegram to be ejected for such a purpose if they did not leave under their own power.

To refound otherwise -- especially by ejecting nations -- would be Griefing right?

My review of this situation indicates that neither of the above conditions applied here. Further I am uncertain about Condition #2 (whether that is even permissible in anycase).

As stated before my interest was in the refounding of Puerto Centro regions.
So I have been watching NAZI EUROPE region intensely. It had three nations in it just minutes before refounding: RE Lee (The UN delegate); The New Fuhrer; and 69th Stormtroopers.

I have a record of the refound WITH evidence of the above nations having been in the region during the UN update before its refounding. If refounding was so easy, I would have not disregarded my own native's advice and ejected the last few nations of Imperial Europe weeks ago. Instead, we have one puppet of mine there and an unknown nation with unknown intentions there on vacation mode (Skyeopolis).

Having sought NS Moderation clairification of my plans at the time, I seem to remember being told that such "kickbacking with password is the highest form of griefing"... So of course I didn't do this!!!

And with a region without a founder like NAZI EUROPE, even its internally-elected native delegate would not be exempt from such rules, correct?

I seem to remember a similar circumstance in "Elite Conservative Army" region, where in the absence of the founder invaders claiming to have been been of that region once themselves returned to eject one idle nation (and of course that delegate was duly deated).

I was the internally-elected native delegate of Imperial Europe but I thought that ejecting even friendly nations who gave me advance notice was wrong.
Please rule on the matter of NAZI EUROPE's refounding.
If it is this easy then that's what we should do in Imperial Europe!!!
(And hats off if true to The Confederate Empire, RE Lee, and all those claiming to be apart of this action -- including Us navy nazis; The Southern Empire; and more)

If it is illegal however then both The Confederate Empire and RE Lee and their professed coherts should suffer the consequences.

I have already put this in writing in the Civl HQ of Nazi Europe, but it has since gone off the screen.

The region was slowly cleared for refounding. With three remaining nations. I had reviewed a great deal of the forum, and tried my best to make sure it was legal, in regards to native delegates it was very foggy, but what I did read seem to indicate R E Lee was safe in the work that was done.

Of those three remaining nations..only two were natives, the last was an unknown outside of the fact he was not a native, he had entered around the time panzerfaust88 had left when the pw was leaked. There are few NE natives left so it was easy to keep track of who they are. The wish of the natives of NE was to refound the region and to do it safely. This was the safest way. I would also like to make it clear of those three remaining nations, two have returned (the natives) and we are awaiting the arrival of the third if he wishes to return (the non native, whom appears to be a puppet), he was sent a tg. The region is not pw protected and no one is on the ban list. This plan was the sole brainchild of R E Lee and The Confederate Empire, with the thoughts that it was legal and still believes it was.

This situation is also slightly different where as IE which had no native un members, and the people who took over made sure it stayed that way, ejecting people at will regardless of reason, so I don't think the situations are truely the same. Neither is the ECA comparison, which represents them essentially invading their old region (assuming it was really them) and ejecting its occupants, they were invaders.

I stand before you today to say I did nothing I knew to be illegal. It was the wish of the natives of NE to refound, and I made the attempt to do so. It falls on me either way. But all I ask is to consider everything if you do review this and consider the situation NE was under and the result. It has been a long hard road for the Natives of NE, It is now a growing living region and its natives are happy.

I found myself in the Rejected Realms this morning.
I have done nothing to earn a rejection,then i recieved a tg from Confederate Empire that i was ejected because he wanted to refound the region.This seemed wrong to me so i went to the forum and found this.
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Majesto
Sometimes Deadly


Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: New York City
Posts: 438
Ejecting people from a region and then refounding (even if only one) is concidered griefing and will probably get you the DEAT. If there's a founder... Once the region dies, the founder will lose his founder powers and you'll be ok.

Basically, all you can do is sit and wait for that lone nation to die of inactivity or move out.

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This action WAS wrong and i ask if the mods would please look into this.I offer my tg's to the mods for inspection to verify my condition.
Thank You,
69th Stormtroopers

...the last was an unknown outside of the fact he was not a native, he had entered around the time panzerfaust88 had left when the pw was leaked...

CE -- didn't you ask the guy? Heck with a name like he has he was probably an ally of yours! But of course, that's why maybe you guys didn't eject him 18 days ago when I think Panzerfaust 88 departed, and that nazi zombie clone Puerto Centro came back from the dead ever so briefly :P

We haven't been presented any evidence that 69th Stormtroopers wasn't already present before the "leaked" password incident. Whom am I to suggest who should belong or not though -- It is how nations left the region for the refounding that is the issue here.

...and we are awaiting the arrival of the third if he wishes to return (the non native, whom appears to be a puppet)...

"69th Stormtroopers" status whatever it is means nothing here. And as I see from his post above, he wasn't consulted in advance. Further I know that you guys about a week ago ejected a nation known as "Fortune 5000" which had a distinctive motto -- "98% Communist Free"; yet you let 69th Stormtroopers stay.

Looks like you guys ejected you own ally. No wonder he's upset!

...he was sent a tg. The region is not pw protected and no one is on the ban list. This plan was the sole brainchild of RE Lee and The Confederate Empire, with the thoughts that it was legal and still believes it was...

It appears evident that you did not in advance send 69th Stormtroopers a telegram. But with the post he found as noted above I don't think that would've mattered (I eagerly await NS Moderation opinion here!).

Nor does it matter NOW that the region is lacking password protection and a banlist. It had both before refounding.

In offering comparisons with my opening post I merely was stating what I thought I knew about refounding regions and the rules governing them. Despite what you might assume about me I think it is well known in this milleu that first and foremost I'm in favor of the legal and just refounding of former Puerto Centro regions.

If NS Moderation rules in your favor then congratulations to you guys.
It just does not look right to me to eject your own people much less enemies when you know you are leaving the region yourselves for a refounding.

--Nolaerie
Imperial Europe Contingency Force member

July 30 2004 XML:
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July 9 2004 XML:
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<NATIONS>el_birketto:langemarck:lsr_latvia:psrs:osterreichpolizei:
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Ballotonia

I think that last post pretty much answers the question about 69th Stormtroopers and his validity, stormtroopers was ejected for having not been a real native and having snuck in there when our Pw was leaked a puppet invader, a spy so to speak I just waited to clear him, the tg was something I did to be polite, he was not a native. The fact he is here complaining rather than returning pretty much states what his real intentions there was if not so directly. If he wanted to be in NE he would be, but with the region no longer in trouble without a pw, there is no reason to be there. In fact if its possible I would like to know whos puppet that is. The New Fuhrer was the last to leave before R E Lee and he was the only native ejected, he gave permission for that and he has since returned. The refounding is fair, proper, and the right thing to do for its natives, which is what should count most.

the_confederate_empire:adolph_hilter:the_new_fuhrer:panzerfaust_88:r_e_lee:us_navy_nazis:acetone
These are the natives of NE. As you can see its not hard to keep track of.

This thread sole purpose was to bring NE down not confirm whether the move was legal. Again I state I acted fairly based on what I know, based on things I have read around the forums.

Confederate Empire --

Why is it you cannot address the central question here?
That RE Lee and you collaborated to knowingly eject two nations rather than allowing them to depart on their own in the effort of your refounding.

The posts above regarding which nations were in NAZI EUROPE signify nothing. (Oh and curiously you left out Fascist Nazis and Fascist Austria, who were like 69th Stormtroopers invited in and allowed to stay in the region)

If 69th Stormtroopers were a real invader you guys would've ejected him upon discovery of him. Instead you wait nearly three weeks to do so at the very last moments of your refounding effort (according to your own calculations). Yet you ejected other suspicious nations and several of the nations you suggest are natives have ceased to exist or are no longer in the region.

My reading of NS rules indicates that a FOUNDER of a region can eject someone even three weeks out if that is their desire. But only a founder.
You have just verified why REFOUNDING (recreating a region with an active founder) is so desireable and why only FOUNDERS can make such ejections!

My reading of NS rules is that ejection with password in place for the purpose of refounding is griefing. An serious NS rule violation.

This thread sole purpose was to bring NE down not confirm whether the move was legal.

NS Moderation can run a scan on my nations to reaffirm that "69th Stormtroopers" is not under my command (or a "puppet" as you say). It is the height of condenscension to label "69th Stormtroopers" such.

Further any nation has the right to appeal to NS Moderation for redress of any supposed violation. And since you ejected him I hardly think that 69th Stormtroopers would be seen as being wanted. Yes, it would be interesting to know when you actually welcomed back that nation with a direct telegram.
I think though NS Moderation will know soon enough, for they have been invited to inspect 69th Stormtroopers' telegram box, as noted above by him or her.

As I said on the outset of this thread my interest here is as one who has been acting as a known administrator (indeed like RE Lee an internally elected native delegate though one who served much longer than he) of another region of a now DOS in NS player that created NAZI EUROPE. Anyone can read the region "Imperial Europe" to verify this.

If I would have ejected nations from Imperial Europe knowing I was leaving for a refounding with password in place I would have been justly deated. Instead, I left before several other nations did to set a good example!

Comments from other NS players are most welcome!
We no doubt await a ruling from NS Moderation regarding this matter and thank you in advance.

--Nolaerie
Imperial Europe Contingency Force Member

This is sketchy and will be a mod call as to the validity of the refounding.

Regardless of whether there was permission,I would have advised not to eject any nation and get them to move voluntarily to avoid any possible griefing charges,especially during a refound.

One thing I see that I don't like,the nations in question were ejected while a password was in effect.I don't see any mention that these nations were ever taken off the ban list after ejecting! I would have advised to at least unban them after ejecting.That is not legal.
DC&H

I think everyone is missing the point here. One of the main reasons that NE was refounded was to rid NE of any connection to Puerto Centro/Hitlers Austria. That has happened, whether it was illegal or not. If the mods delete Confed Empire, what is that going to achieve? I have known confederate empire since I first joined NS and NE, and I have known him to play by the rules consistently, if he did break the rules, I am sure it was a genuine mistake and not done in malice. The NS rules are complex, as I'm sure you all know. Nolaerie, despite our political differences, I am sure you will agree we have got on well and have been civil to each other, but, I do feel you created this thread either because of you hate NE or because you are jealous/upset that we have managed to refound NE, and you want to pick fault with the refounding. During my 70+ days as leader of NE, I had to endure abuse from PC. I appealed to the mods to install a NE native as founder of NE (I know it is rare for this kind of thing to happen), however, it fell on deaf ears. The reply I got from the mods was 'If you can sucessfully refound NE, more power to you. However, your region is up for grabs like anyone elses'. I was angered by this as it seems all of the NE natives were suffering due to PC's wrongdoings.
I am not one to make accusations or to cause trouble here on NS, but, maybe if our political ideology was not one of Nazism, then, maybe the mods would have taken not of my appeal.

Now, the players of NS aren't the only ones to make mistakes, the mods themselves have made them.

Example: Ohio State Buckeyes (now with a DOS) ejected several of his nations from The Strong Alliance of Power in order to refound the region, he was deleted, then a URAP member refounded the region and was deleted, he appealed to the mods and his nation was given back to him, however, he was not re-installed as founder of the strong alliance of power even though he refounded the region legally.

As for 69th stormtroopers, he entered Nazi Europe AFTER I left the region and the password was leaked somehow. I believe 69th stormtroopers is a puppet of one of our enemies created to cause problems for Nazi Europe.
As confed empire said, he has been free to return to NE but he has chosen not to.

Regards
Panzerfaust 88 - Former Leader of Nazi Europe

"Why is it you cannot address the central question here?
That RE Lee and you collaborated to knowingly eject two nations rather than allowing them to depart on their own in the effort of your refounding."

69thstormstrooper was getting ejected either way, the final decision to go ahead with refounding was made after he was gone. Hence the reason for the later TG to him. Also which is why The New Fuhrer gave permission to be removed from region. I am not allowed to log into his name, so it was done this way.

"The posts above regarding which nations were in NAZI EUROPE signify nothing. (Oh and curiously you left out Fascist Nazis and Fascist Austria, who were like 69th Stormtroopers invited in and allowed to stay in the region)" Its signifies a time placement for him he isn't some guy that has been in there for months that we decided to eject. As for the other two they weren't left out, they weren't there. Ballotonia posted who was in region at those times. Those two were not natives so they wouldn't be included in a list of natives. My list includes who was natives and was made from Ballotonias post. 69th Stormtroopers was not invited. He came during the pw leak, a leak intended for invasion.

"If 69th Stormtroopers were a real invader you guys would've ejected him upon discovery" We did eject him upon discovery, we discovered the truth late last week.


and Dewey the Ban list was completely clear, like it is now.

I feel we did this the best way I could see it done with what I still think was legal and Fair.

Perhaps, we should all cool down and wait for a moderator to make a judgment call.

I have been reading the posts in here reguarding my situation. Confederate Empire, i am not a spy and i did not "sneak" into Nazi Europe .I came to the region because i liked the people there and wanted to be a part of it.I am not your enemy and did not come to cause problems.
Being ejected without warning just made me angry.You could have notified me of what was going on instead of just throwing me out.I dont like that.This game has rules that everybody are supposed to follow,even nazi's.
what you did to me is not cool guys,

69th stormtroopers

69th Stormtroopers, whatever your main intentions were, and I still have my beliefs. The only way you could have gotten in is with the pw. It was up the whole time. So you are going to enter a region using a pw that was leaked for invaders...without saying anything to the natives, nor participating in anyway with anyone in region the whole time you were there, because you liked us? 69th, that is hard to believe.

Furthermore, Ejection is a minor deal at best. If you liked us, than the TG that was sent should have been good enough to smooth that over, with a simple click you could have been back in a stronger safer more active region instead you sit in The Reject Realms awhile, then post in here. You still have not returned, even though there was a invite to do so, no tg to those you think 'weren't cool". No sorry that just doesn't seem right to me. You were an invading nation to us, which you were regardless of your recently posted intentions. You were a non native, you were uninvited to at the time pw protected region. Considering those things the TG I sent is remarkably polite when it did not need to be.

69th Stormtroopers, whatever your main intentions were, and I still have my beliefs. The only way you could have gotten in is with the pw. It was up the whole time...

Quite an admission there. Ejection with password up the whole time.
Such an act might have been proper if you guys were planning on staying in the region as it was constituted. But kickback with password during refounding looks like griefing to me.

Also -- no mention here of unbanning 69th Stormtroopers after ejection :(

...instead you sit in The Reject Realms awhile, then post in here. You still have not returned, even though there was a invite to do so...

I wonder if he returned to NAZI EUROPE that might VALIDATE your ejection of him. If I was 69th Stormtroopers, I'd sit tight in The Rejected Realms until NS Moderation can catch up from its heavy workload from the looks of things and makes a decision on this matter. Then he can join his friends and they will welcome him, right? :D

...You were an invading nation to us, which you were regardless of your recently posted intentions. You were a non native, you were uninvited to at the time pw protected region. Considering those things the TG I sent is remarkably polite when it did not need to be.

Above quote sustains my contention that they waited almost three weeks before they ejected 69th Stormtroopers, during the refounding process with the password in place the whole time. I believe under such circumstances ejection with password in place is griefing. Only a founder has such liberties -- hence why having an active one is so desirable.

Panzerfaust 88 is correct in suggesting that maybe I am jealous of their refounding. I considered a similar strategy when we considered beginning the refounding of Imperial Europe (it has been almost a month now since we started). I asked in advance whether it would be permissible to eject a particular nation who was openingly protesting our roleplay for this and the response from an unknown moderator was (paraphrased from memory): "Kickbacking with password in place could be considered the worst form of griefing"

Curious that Panzerfaust 88 mentioned Ohio State Buckeyes. He got deated in one of his final acts for ejecting his own allies during a refound.

Hat's off to RE Lee, The Confederate Empire and pals if indeed your refounding is sustained here. And it has been wild to watch all the old natives of NAZI EUROPE return (save Puerto Centro/HA but like Adolph Hilter said only if he openly discloses himself will he be subject to deletion for his DOS). At least the region wasn't refounded by the DOS in NS Puerto Centro / Hitlers Austria; so good work.

-- Nolaerie
Imperial Europe Contingency Force Member

At the end of the day, Nolaerie, you stuck your nose in our business, rather than just say to yourself "Oh, NE has refounded", you had to create this thread. You can say "well done guys" all day for all I care, but you know as well as I do that the compliments are insincere. The top and bottom of it is you are jealous, and you want to see NE fall to pieces. You just won't let this situation drop. I can no longer be civil to you, in my eyes, you are an enemy.

how many spys do we let sit in our governments in the real world just to feed them false info. look at the cold war it happend all the time. to that end alowing 69th stormtroopers to stay was treating him as the spy he was and there for just as a real gov't would send a spy out the country if he had diplomatic cover so was good ol 69th.

"Quite an admission there. Ejection with password up the whole time.
Such an act might have been proper if you guys were planning on staying in the region as it was constituted"


You didn't read that very closely did you. He entered a pw region using the pw that was leaked for people to invade which was up the whole time, then changed to a new one, it was never removed during that time..nice try.

As I have talked about this subject I have realised technically the issues are two different things. The refounding is seperate from 69th Stormtroopers. He was ejected for being a invader, period. Its what I should have put in the TG instead of being polite. I don't need validation to eject a non native invader who was gone before the final decision to go ahead with refounding. His reaction has been enough to validate who he may be, but it doesn't matter what his intentions were. He was cleared from the Banlist which was completely empty when R E Lee and The New Fuhrer left. 69th Stormtrooper is not a native of NE so he can sit in Rejected Realms as long as he wishes.

What is sad, is all your examples have not been the same as us.. each time there was something that was very different from how NE was dealt with including your situation in IE with a nation that has been there a very very long time just idle..who knows how long before that including before you...again not the same.

This situations is somewhat unique I suppose and appears to have been muddied more then its needed to be. The NE natives refounded the region. No NE native was griefed. All natives have returned. Open/Shut case.

If the mods wish to review this futher it is up to them, but the region is in good shape now. Everything done is believed to be legal.

As for me this is my last word on this in here. If the mods would like more answers I am more than willing to discuss the matter with them.

...What is sad, is all your examples have not been the same as us.. each time there was something that was very different from how NE was dealt with including your situation in IE with a nation that has been there a very very long time just idle..who knows how long before that including before you...again not the same...

As you have suggested yourself (and I have no reason to doubt you here) "69th Stormtroopers" had sat idle and done nothing for 18 days. The reality is that you ejected him MOMENTS before your refounding.

Alas it maybe you have gotten away with this because no one had seen what you actually did. (However I do have a HTML screen of NAZI EUROPE moments after refounding showing that RE Lee, The New Fuhrer and 69th Stormtroopers were present before the refound -- I have emailed it to NS Moderation/Administration for consideration).

...This situations is somewhat unique I suppose and appears to have been muddied more then its needed to be. The NE natives refounded the region. No NE native was griefed. All natives have returned. Open/Shut case.

If the mods wish to review this futher it is up to them, but the region is in good shape now. Everything done is believed to be legal.

As for me this is my last word on this in here. If the mods would like more answers I am more than willing to discuss the matter with them.

I appreciate the same. This certainly has been a learning experience :P
One thing I wished I would have done is actually saved in my UN nation's telegram box the very telegram send by NS Moderation regarding IE's refounding. Alas, instead I put it in this "Storage Unit". Here's the exact wording of their telegram in response to my query of refounding. Btw NS Moderation has said that if one has ideas about something they are uncertain of you can tell them and within a few days or so they will inform you of its suitability according to NS rules. It is something I did with regards to Imperial Europe's anticipated refounding.

I had offered them three choices of what we might do. One had to do with what we are doing now -- Waiting for everyone to leave. A second choice was to persuade this contentous nation to leave on their own. The third choice was to eject him with explaination and unban him immediately. Below is a reprint of the telegram I received at the time from NS Moderation:

To The Paradoxical Paradise of Nolaerie --Telegrams
Received: 29 days ago NationStates Moderators
Received: 3 hours ago:
Option three (eject him with explaination and unban him immediately) is reasonable. It is a matter of kickbanning plus password which is wholly inexcusable.

" The Paradoxical Paradise of Nolaerie
Received: 3 hours ago Us navy nazis,

*i see you make no coment on what i said*

You are a military man how can I argue with you...
For all I know "69th Stormtroopers" is one too.
Talk with him about why he has a problem with your leader's possible griefing

NS Moderation hasn't ruled yet in this matter.
They are volunteers so it may be sometime more.
If they rule in your favor I will be glad to fully congratulate you guys but not until then (because at least NE is no longer a region founded by the now DOS in NS Hitlers Austria/Puerto Centro and that IS good)

Good day
Nolaerie "

why not respond in public or did what i say win the battle for NAZI EUROPE

Stange diplomacy Nolaerie; I always thought that you were a person of peace. What seems strange is that you always talk about peace, and at the same time you monitor everything we do, you attack us at every chance that you have, and your friends are constantly refounding extreme right wing regions; turning them into "museums".

St(r)ange diplomacy Nolaerie; I always thought that you were a person of peace. What seems strange is that you always talk about peace, and at the same time you monitor everything we do, you attack us at every chance that you have, and your friends are constantly refounding extreme right wing regions; turning them into "museums".

I cannot argue with what you have said Mr. Hilter. Of course look at what you wrote (and I have saved many other things you have written including how any "DOS" player can get around that ban that you posted via telegram in the newly refound NAZI EUROPE Civil Headquarters (If NS Moderation is interested in this they can contact me -- I have a HTML screen of that too).

It is also true that me and a few other players have delighted in refounding regions created by the now "Delete On Sight" players Puerto Centro and Ohio State Buckeyes and turning them into museums against nazism, fascism, racial hatred and griefing.

(The entire list of them is as follows: Das Nazi Bezirke des Uberarier, Fascist Europe, Fascist Reich, KKK, Late Night Raiders, NAZI AXIS, Nazi Aryan Deutschland Axis, Nazi North America, The Doomsday Alliance, The Hapsburg Empire, The Puppets, and The SAOP.
By the way these regions are open for habitation to all, even to descendents of the nations who either left them or even zombie clones of them ;)

I have to concede that I did not apparently present enough evidence for NS Moderation to prove my contention that NAZI EUROPE was griefed during its refounding. Certainly I can say that The Confederate Empire basically admitted to this, but that doesn't make it so. It is why I had entitled this thread: "NAZI EUROPE -- POSSIBLE griefing during refounding".

Just to restate for the record too I am indeed jealous that they were able to accomplish their region's refounding using methods I believe I was warned against using, or I would have been deated as a nation. Yet I believe as busy as NS Moderation has been they would've ruled in this matter already, were there clear and convincing evidence of a griefing during refounding.

Below is the evidence I had (which I sent to NS Administration via email in HTML format). Mainly it confirms the presence of three nations before refounding (and as been noted earlier in this thread one of those nations "69th Stormtroopers" did not leave willingly and in fact that nation, which had been in the region for 18 days, was ejected with password in place (according to The Confederate Empire's own statements also in this thread) just moments before their refounding of the region:

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NAZI EUROPE

World Factbook Entry: World Factbook Entry: Welcome to NAZI EUROPE, we have finally refounded. Our province region is SS Nazi Europe. Our allies are Bonn, Minn II, The Lands of the Horde, Fascist Union, Axis Powers, Popesville, The States of the New Order and The URAP.
Our website is under construction.
Our Forum: http://confedempire.proboards32.com/index.cgi

-R E Lee Leader of Nazi Europe-



UN Delegate: None.

Founder: The Dictatorship of The Confederate Empire

NAZI EUROPE contains 3 nations. [List all nations]

Like what you see? Move Nolaerie to NAZI EUROPE today!



Today's United Nations Report

The Largest Soda Pop Sector in NAZI EUROPE


# Nation UN Category Motto
1. The Confederate Empire of R E Lee Father Knows Best State "One Race. One Leader."
2. The Dictatorship of The New Fuhrer Psychotic Dictatorship "Gestapo, SD, Waffen SS, ... need I say more?"
3. The Dictatorship of 69th Stormtroopers Psychotic Dictatorship "Für das Vaterland"



Regional Happenings

* 5 minutes ago: The Good to go home native of Socialist TarotReaders arrived from The Doomsday Alliance.
* 59 minutes ago: The Dictatorship of The Confederate Empire updated the World Factbook entry.
* 69 minutes ago: The Confederate Empire of R E Lee arrived from R E Lee Sanctuary.
* 70 minutes ago: The Dictatorship of The Confederate Empire updated the World Factbook entry.
* 73 minutes ago: The Dictatorship of The Confederate Empire arrived from R E Lee Sanctuary.
* 73 minutes ago: The Dictatorship of The Confederate Empire updated the World Factbook entry.




NAZI EUROPE Civil Headquarters

Messages from regional members are co-ordinated here.
Lodged From Message

71 minutes ago The Dictatorship of The Confederate Empire We have refounded!! It is a glorious day.

69th stormtroopers and The New Fuhrer, we await your return.

48 minutes ago The Dictatorship of The Confederate Empire It has been a long road, many battles fought. We have stood on the brink of oblivion and stared Death in the face. But we got through it all and come to this day, the Day of Refounding. NAZI EUROPE has risen from the ashes.

3 minutes ago The Good to go home native of Socialist TarotReaders Well done fellas --

Just how did you do it?
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As it stands now I concede that this evidence above; plus 69th Stormtroopers call for inspecting his telegrams received in this matter; plus statements made in this thread; plus other evidence presented I don't know of were not enough to undo this refounding.


" The Paradoxical Paradise of Nolaerie
Received: 3 hours ago Us navy nazis,

*i see you make no coment on what i said*

You are a military man how can I argue with you...
For all I know "69th Stormtroopers" is one too.
Talk with him about why he has a problem with your leader's possible griefing

NS Moderation hasn't ruled yet in this matter.
They are volunteers so it may be sometime more.
If they rule in your favor I will be glad to fully congratulate you guys but not until then (because at least NE is no longer a region founded by the now DOS in NS Hitlers Austria/Puerto Centro and that IS good)

Good day
Nolaerie "

why not respond in public or did what i say win the battle for NAZI EUROPE

NS Moderation as of this writing as far as I know has not ruled on this matter. And since it has almost been a week since the beginning of this thread, I concede that you all have apparently successfully refounded NAZI EUROPE.

Congratulations fellas. Well done refounding NE, The Confederate Empire. At least as far as I can tell NE is no longer a region founded or even inhabited by the now DOS in NS Hitlers Austria/Puerto Centro and that IS good.

Rest assured Mr. Hilter and pals, me and my pals will be watching however for the return of Puerto Centro nazi zombie clones ;)

(btw -- for anyone who reads this to answer: was Puerto Centro the only DOS player involved with the region? I ask because I have seen the reappearance of "Unicomp" (who I remembered flamed NS Moderation in a distinct form of Bavarian German and threatened to release a virus in NS. You can see the player that claims to have been descendent from him in NE's offsite forum).

-- Nolaerie

Nolaerie, just admit it, you hate NE, with our without PC. And you want to see us crumble. Well Nolaerie, rest assured, we will be keeping an eye on you, and for your possible breaking of the rules ;)

I said I would not post here again, but I will this once. That evidence only states They were in region sometime before refound and after a UN tick. It doesn't indicate when they left and how, essentially it proves nothing.


But I am glad to put this to an end, I think we have wasted to much time on this.

Check out the following thread here in NS Moderation Forum --
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=353603
"hotel california griefed"

Just wanted to point out for informational purposes that ejecting nations to refound is impermissible. Read that thread to verify this.

Of course I stand by my earlier comments conceding that apparently not enough evidence was presented for NS Moderation to adequately consider this matter.

Life goes on though so have a nice day