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Nazi Weaponized Virus received two temporary forum bans, two unique warnings in the Mod Centre, as well as a warning in forum on a thread he started by myself.

Considering the fact that nations are normally deleted on the second offence, and you receive no fewer than five chances, you have no room to complain of unfair moderation.

And now, after breaking another rule (using a puppet to circumnavigate a forum ban), you were deleted. Instead of learning your lesson, you come here and swear. How about learning from your mistakes and ceasing to break the rules? Surely that can't be too difficult.

At this rate, not only will my delete-count grow, but you'll earn yourself either a Delete On Sight order, or an IP ban. Take a breath and relax.did you not understand?

The mods don't restore nations deleted for cause. This is your sixth or seventh topic start on the same [closed] subject. If you don't yet realize you are beating a dead horse, continue to respond until they DO IP ban you.

What parts of did you not understand?

The mods don't restore nations deleted for cause. This is your sixth or seventh topic start on the same [closed] subject. If you don't yet realize you are beating a dead horse, continue to respond until they DO IP ban you.

The fact TMGH is an unfair mod as he is very far right, and I am very far left.

The fact: TMGH is anti-flaming and you are pro-flaming. He is anti-rule-breakers and you are a rule-breaker. Neither his nor your political views are a factor in this.

Repetition doesn't make it true, NWV.

Frisbeeteria is correct, and by circumventing your forum ban again it wouldn't surprise me if the moderation staff put an IP ban/delete-on-sight order on any nation you create.

Just wait out the two weeks; come back, create a new nation, and let by gones be by gones.

The mods aren't unfair, they enforce the rules; you flamed, therefore, you are punished for such action.

The fact: TMGH is anti-flaming and you are pro-flaming. He is anti-rule-breakers and you are a rule-breaker. Neither his nor your political views are a factor in this.

Repetition doesn't make it true, NWV.

Neither does fanboyism towards the mods.

Permit me to explain -

Moderators in NationStates are often commended for thier 'voluntary' work (which usually involved closing a couple of threads a day at the most) - yet what people don't seem to understand is why the mods do what they do.
It's quite simple really - it revolves around power.

Why do people own servers for Counterstrike, Team Fortress, Quake, Unreal 2k4? Why....?

Because they like the idea of it being 'thier own' - they like the idea of being able to ban and kick who they want. Power gives people itchy trigger fingers, and when the proverbial gun is placed in thier hand - they are only too happy to use it. Power in any form is revered. Take a look at the www.middle-earthonline.com forums - you will find regular posters who have around 7000+ posts almost being on the same scale as mods. They can flame all they like, but the mods won't deal with it. Why? Because they are revered, as the Mods on NS are revered by the fanboys.

And why are they revered?

Well mainly because people like to appease power but also because Nationstates is an extremely fun game. And what is the pinnacle of this game? Past all the 2 Billion plus Nations with massive armies?

Thats right, the pinnacle of this game is becoming a moderator, and moderators are normal people, not super-gods who are completely unbias.

And what happens when these 'normal people' (not completely unbias greats) become mods?

They have personal grievances, they don't like those who oppose thier beliefs, just as they didn't like it before they became mods.

So next time you think about posting about the inifinite wisdom of all the mods, just consider they are 'real people' with 'real grievances grudges and urges' (most notably the urge to ban people opposing thier beliefs).

I'm not claiming I was not wrong in some of my decisions, but what I am claiming is that TMGH was all to happy to click the trigger and delete a nation I had spent a long time on. Am I denying I flamed at times? Most certainly not. But when you consider the amount of flames from long standing members that gets overlooked, you begin to see the ridiculousness of it all. And what is overlooked is how at times I completely avoided flames - From HannibalSmith, Hajekistan (an interesting debate I was having with him actually, one in which both sides ((moreso my own)) were relatively well structured and in which I avoided flamebaits).

So all I am saying is, the current system is not fair. Not only does it overlook some more regular posters. But also has an unfair system in moderation (I think the issue of Whittier proved this long before me), moderators should be chosen democratically, by the people on the boards. Maybe if 'Max Barry' put a little more faith in democracy on the general boards, he would see that the 'electorate' aren't as stupid in thier decisions as he thinks they are.

So fine, don't give me back my nation. But all it serves is a punishment, I can rejoin, not flame for a year, and still not get my nation back, but it simply doesn't serve a purpose, because I am likely to think before my actions a little more before posting now (moreso than other members of the board).

The mods aren't unfair, they enforce the rules; you flamed, therefore, you are punished for such action.

Yet again, you seem to have some personal vendetta against me based on my views.

Yet what annoys me more than your 'judge jury and executioner' style analysis of me is the fact you honestly believe the mods are 100% fair.

We all know how far the definition of 'flaming' can be stretched. And we all know the mods are not democratically elected.

You have been deleted. What a shame. It's not going to come back. Just relax, and use another nation and don't break rules. It's like saying : "Yes, I did rob that man but the officer who arrested me was out to get me".

Yet again, you seem to have some personal vendetta against me based on my views.

Yet what annoys me more than your 'judge jury and executioner' style analysis of me is the fact you honestly believe the mods are 100% fair.

We all know how far the definition of 'flaming' can be stretched. And we all know the mods are not democratically elected.

Irrelevant.

The rules of this site are plain and obvious. You broke those rules multiple times. You were given no less than 6 chances, and you still go ahead and break the rules. Regardless of whether or not TMGH is biased against you or not, you still recieved 6 independent warnings, and you still have not desisted. You have, in fact, been afforded more opportunities to reform your actions than most people. So, instead of complaining of biased moderators, you should thank them for giving you so many mulligans.

Irrelevant.

The rules of this site are plain and obvious. You broke those rules multiple times. You were given no less than 6 chances, and you still go ahead and break the rules. Regardless of whether or not TMGH is biased against you or not, you still recieved 6 independent warnings, and you still have not desisted. You have, in fact, been afforded more opportunities to reform your actions than most people. So, instead of complaining of biased moderators, you should thank them for giving you so many mulligans.

Again, fanboyism.

The definitions of 'flaming' can be extended to mean anything. Everyone knows that.

What did he do by the way? I'm competley for rule - breakers being banned, but it would be a bit better if I knew what for.

What did he do by the way? I'm competley for rule - breakers being banned, but it would be a bit better if I knew what for.
I needed to make a nation to reply to Hajekistan in an argument we were having about Nicaragua in the thread 'Chomsky mk. 1 missile' (check it, there was no flaming by me). I was banned for 2 weeks so I made a nation and posted in Moderation I had made it and if he could wait to delete it after I had made the post. I made it and he deleted both of my nations.

So fine, don't give me back my nation. But all it serves is a punishment, I can rejoin, not flame for a year, and still not get my nation back, but it simply doesn't serve a purpose, because I am likely to think before my actions a little more before posting now (moreso than other members of the board).

Considering your response to myself and Sdaeriji is borderline flamebait - meaning, you are trying to get us to bring up our "personal views" into a competition with you now.

As soon as the mods see you have once again circumvented the forum ban, I guarantee an IP ban.

When you sign up for this site, you agree that the mods rule is law. Simple as that.

You can launch an appeal at admin@nationstates.net but it won't do much. They don't appeal to blatant rulebreakers, as you continue to be.

And, it's not "fanboyism" (which isn't even a word), it's realizing that fighting the moderators isn't worth the trouble, and it's a waste of time.

What did he do by the way? I'm competley for rule - breakers being banned, but it would be a bit better if I knew what for.

Do not listen to his explanation of his deletion, Jonothana. It is false and untrue.

"The Lions of Allah" is a puppet of a deleted nation called Nazi Weaponized Virus. NWV was deleted for continued flaming and flamebait after being previously warned by the moderator staff to knock it off.

They banned him from the forums for 2 weeks, and he defied that order by circumventing the ban and coming back to the forums in this nation and in other nations that will soon be deleted, too.

Again, fanboyism.

The definitions of 'flaming' can be extended to mean anything. Everyone knows that.

Again, irrelevant.

The definitions of "flaming" can not be extended to mean anything. This, for instance, is not flaming. You calling me a "fanboy" would likely not be classified as flaming. Insulting a person is considered flaming. You insulted people. There's a difference between disagreeing with someone and insulting them. You performed the latter. Hence, the deletion. And even if a moderator had a vendetta against you, it is highly unlikely that they would be able to get away with it 6 times without any of the other mods crying foul. More likely it was multiple moderators warning you for various offenses. There are several liberal, left-wing moderators; Stephistan comes to mind. You would not have been deleted 6 seperate times without some sort of merit to the deletions. Face it, you broke the rules and now you are unwilling to accept responsibility for your actions. Deal with it; it's part of growing up.

Considering your response to myself and Sdaeriji is borderline flamebait - meaning, you are trying to get us to bring up our "personal views" into a competition with you now.

As soon as the mods see you have once again circumvented the forum ban, I guarantee an IP ban.

When you sign up for this site, you agree that the mods rule is law. Simple as that.

You can launch an appeal at admin@nationstates.net but it won't do much. They don't appeal to blatant rulebreakers, as you continue to be.

And, it's not "fanboyism" (which isn't even a word), it's realizing that fighting the moderators isn't worth the trouble, and it's a waste of time.

Of course 'fanboyism' isn't a word. It's an internet word used to describe those who go to incredible lengths to please their moderator leaders.

And your response that my post was borderline flamebait just shows how ridiculous you are. That word can be stretched to mean anything now - And I mean anything.

And it wasn't me who brought personal views into it - it was you, with your blatantly patriotic sentiments about hating anyone who dared to take a stand against the American Empire.

Go outside, and find out that pleasing moderators isn't the only thing in life.

The fact TMGH is an unfair mod as he is very far right, and I am very far left.
Oh boy, gimme a break. No matter how far to any side any moderator is, I am 100% sure that they would not delete or ban any nation because of personal dislike.

NWV, I dont know what happened but I have seen these threads many times before. Constantly arguing about it only makes the sanctions imposed on you worse. When you're in a hole, stop digging.

I've reported your latest incarntion to the moderation staff via the IRC channel, they'll deal with your shortly.

I'd like to use your own words for a moment for you to think about something: "Go outside, and find out that pleasing moderators isn't the only thing in life."

Is this game and your ego really that important? What's going to happen when you're completely banned from this game because you keep coming back and breaking another rule?

BTW, I never said I "hated" anyone for not liking the US. Please, do not listen to NWV's slander of my character and words.

Well, the way I see it, NationStates is just a game, and you an always just go join another forum somewhere else on the internet.

Is this game and your ego really that important? What's going to happen when you're completely banned from this game because you keep coming back and breaking another rule?

BTW, I never said I "hated" anyone for not liking the US. Please, do not listen to NWV's slander of my character and words.

Oh yes you have, you are blatantly lying now and you know it!

Go back and check through your other posts and see.

And its not the ego or the game, its the fact I was treated unfairly, as many other people have been. The mods aren't flawless Tuesday Heights - accept it.

Th, Tg.

Of course 'fanboyism' isn't a word. It's an internet word used to describe those who go to incredible lengths to please their moderator leaders.

Go outside, and find out that pleasing moderators isn't the only thing in life.
Moderators spend time keeping idiocy off the boards. They make my stay here more pleasant. They aren't my leaders, they aren't my opponents. I have zero problems with ripping an illogical argument by a mod to shreds, and I have zero problem with agreeing with a well-stated mod argument.

I'm a moderator or admin on several other boards, and I know what's involved. Typically, it's a thankless job. Most of the communications we receive are from rulebreakers who want to appeal correctly-made decisions. That's not fun, that's not power-mongering, that's not fanboysim. That's realism.

So NWV, if your a mod and your best friend (IRL) rulebreaks you would delete him? I think not... everywhere you look there is corruption and favouritism. Get over it. Deal with it.

On the other hand, personal dislike can come into it. If I was a mod I would have deleted Fascist White States (If i knew his personal ideologies) the second his nation was formed, because I don't think people that have such views and are willing to make them known in such a way as he does should be allowed to play such an excellent game.


Yeah. Its not fanboyism, its knowing that opposing the mods just gets a ban. Noone ever said this game was a democracy.

And its not the ego or the game, its the fact I was treated unfairly, as many other people have been.

When you sign-up for this game, you agree to a ToS that gives the moderators the power to do anything they want to your nation should you break the rules. Thus, any "definition of flamebait/flaming" is subject to the mods, which you agreed to when you began playing this game.

Moderation is for discussing moderation problems, not discussing politics or whether or not players are "liars." Keep it that way, please.

I have stayed fine on the forums, while enforcing anti - communist campains. No mod has ever done anything to counter me. I am enforcing communist embrcing programs now (embassies, diplomatic relations). I don't think the mods are biased. And if they were they would be found out.

another guy who claims the mods are evil, biased and unfair? this place is even better/worse than the jerry springer show sometimes :rolleyes:

*grabs popcorn*

I believe I have stated this on several occasions before: When someone posts a thread in here that obviously requires a Moderator or other figure of authority to respond and make a ruling, don't post in it! It's simple! This is a matter concerning the Moderators and the player involved.
Seeing as people seem incapable of doing so, I'm locking this until a moderator decision is reached.


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