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Alltough I tried to help QuahJoh in his batlle against neonazi's and other holocaustdeniers, he could 'nt let flaiming in his reply.

I posted a historical WWIII site (with source) that helped him, in a polite and helping way,but, I also explained my feelings about modern history.


He could not appreciate this, wich is OK for me, but how have I have to think about his flaiming in his post? Should I defend myself and use the same dirty words and smilies? Will I be the victim of this? Do I have the right to speak to him in the same flaiming way he did?

I appreciate this guy a lot, but I think that his constant flaiming towards people that have a different opinion is going to far now. OK he posted a lot, (quallity?), but I also did under my former name that I lost because I did not log in enough (Silly Mountain Walks, 1000+ poster, ask Steph to confirm if needed).

it is quite simple: may I use his words like "asshole" aso. dirty words to? May I use his dirty language to?

OK, it was stupid of him that he attacked someone that stood in line for him but still, I have the idea (and browsed it) that when QuahJoh flames other people (my ennemies, the hollocaust deniers for example), he can permit himself dirty words that aren't allowed at his discussionpartners by the mods.

Sometimes a 2 weeks banning can help decent people to be decent in the future again.? Or do I have the right to use the same words and smillies (watch the context please) at him?

Please give me a reply.

I think that when you don't react, that I have your permission to use the same flaiming words. Alltough I am on his side on this, (arguements against hollocaust deniers) I can not stand that he can flaime where other posters aren't allowed.


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=349094&page=388&pp=15

Example of page 38:

"Sorry, asshole"

And much more, I'll copy my pots here and
his to, damn, the "smilies" are not here! (should see them, finger up aso.)


Other citation: "Fuck you."

That is what I posted to defend people like QuahJOH against antisemites, with a very good historical document about SS Pohl:


read read Well, QuahJoh, first let me say that I am the last to agree with your one sided, and I'll use the word that fits your exreme one side /Zionist/appartheid -view of the Palestianians.
You are a mixture,of it.

OK your old plate will ask again, "proove me aso."But I am not going to loose my time on browsing new NS on something that real neutral posters allready know. Neutral=for me : people that can help you in your antihollocaustdenial but in the same seriousness study about the Israeli crimes against the Palestinians, based on facts and numbers, not on Sharon's or Bush's propaganda and don't go in a war with me about that now with your propaganda and biased media, that the Israel government is not as terrorist as Hamas. Again read further for some ammo (and I can help you beat those Nazi's.)

Don't since I 'm here to give YOU some real ammo (history, allways your weakness , allready told you in the past to use historical sources instead of pro Likoed or pro US Republican and other biased media, there is enough non extreme Likoed sources or Labour sources, or just try it French,German sources, still the best together with the English ones) to beat hollocaust deniers. Don't call me an allie, because your one sided opinions on the Middle East are far away from mines, but I like the truth and hates hollocaust deniers as as well) I've seen your posts last year often and I allways saw a biased defence and propaganda of the Zionist cause and I allways found it verry sad that we could not place you as a defender of the Jewish people (since not all are Zionist, specially the not Israeli Jews in EU aren't comparing themselves with this ultra extremist view on the world and the Middle East in special) but only as a Zionist.(Pitty, but you're young and full of hate against the people who dare to critisize Israel, even the sweetest critic was allways bashed in the same way like those neo nazi's are attacking you now).(But I know that extremits are not aware of this, you really are on much points the same as the people that I will attack because of their antisemitisme and specially the non antisemitisme that is anti jew, we all know that Arrabs to are semites, that is why I make this differencfe allthough that I think that this bunch is a bunch of racsists that hates muslims to)

Your views aren't mine, for me Zionisme is as bad as Stalinism, Nazism or extreme US republicanisme, something unfair and dictatorial. Don't ask me "source, proof aso, I have my thoughts and proof about that and we will fall in the old discussion, UN resolutions that you don't agree, Israeli murder of hundreds of Palestinians in 1948 when their land was conquered by the new rough state aso.) There is allways that antidemocracy smell that gets in the nose. BTW, don'ty ask me "do you are OK woith Hammas questions to becaus ethis whil ridiculise you more and will show that you don't understand this post).

I also think that when you try (I can only call your attempts a "try") to counterattack revisionits or other holocaust deniers, you don't use the good ammo or show a mather of unripeness to counter those neonazi bastards . Why don't you read the famous books that I do , gives you lots of ammo. Why don't you study the post WWII interogations and trials about convicted war/hollocaust/aso.-criminals?The US, France, USSR that give us lot's of evidence about what happened when they had for example high SS ranks that testified?

BTW, never call the SS and or the Waffen SS the same like you did often in the past, it is not the same and I expect from a rather intelligent person like you some more background and proof that he knows something about the differences in this mather, you must know the difference in all branches to givge a good opinion.(Front troops: EU/Indian/and the few Brittish vollunteers, Algemeine, SD, Camp guards aso. and the differences betweeen them. (don't come on with your Google thing's now, I know that you haven't read enough about that. I know your posts (see my name that I lost when I was not logged in during 2 month's when I was climbing in the Caucasus with clients, BTW,a Flemish jew from the Antwerp jewelry district was a client and became a friend there ).

Anyway I wanted to give you some heavy ammo that will penetrate the Nazi armour a bit better then you tried to do on several pages. God those morrons like Decisive action and Berkylvania can praise themselves lucky that I had no time to read the topic and silly enough putted you in a corner there that made it more difficult for you (asked on page 23 or so for "your proof") against this bun,ch of revisionists. Had to be on your side about this. I am.

Better late than never and I've much of ammo for them in za future" :






Here's what Pohl (the head of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office [SS-WVHA], who supervised the Nazi concentration camp system between 1942 and 1945, had to say about gas chambers:
Extracts From Testimony of Defendant Pohl, in Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals Under Control Council Law No. 10, United States v. Oswald Pohl, et. al. (Case 4: 'Pohl Case'), US Government Printing Office, District of Columbia: 1950, Vol. 5: pp. 664-666.


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Q. Were you in charge of the concentration camps while this program was being carried out by RSHA?

A. I do not know when this program started.

Q. Well, no matter when it started, was it being carried on at any time while you were in charge of concentration camps?

A. Whether in the year 1942 or 1943 this extermination was still carried out I don't know. I don't know how long it lasted.

Q. Well, it is your contention they just borrowed the concentration camps to carry out the extermination program?

A. That is my opinion, yes.

Q. Just one second. In order to carry out the extermination program they had to build gas chambers at the concentration camps?

A. Yes. But I did not have any gas chambers constructed. I did not give any order whatsoever that gas chambers should be established.

Q. Well, were they constructed while you were in charge?

A. I do not know exactly in what years the gas chambers at Auschwitz were erected.

Q. Well, no matter when they were erected, were they there and operating while you were in charge?

A. As long as Jews were exterminated the gas chambers were working and operating.

Q. And was that while you were in charge of concentration camps?

A. I cannot say that, because I have visited Auschwitz only once in 1944 and perhaps twice in 1943. At that time I did not see that Jews were being exterminated. I, therefore, do not know how long this program was underway.

Q. Did you see any gas chambers when you were there?

A. I have seen the gas chambers as buildings in the distance, yes.

Q. You knew they were there.

A. Yes. I knew that.

Q. What did you think they were being used for?

A. I knew that Jews were being exterminated and that the gas chambers were being used for that purpose.

Q. And when you saw them and knew that Jews were being exterminated, you were in charge of that concentration camp?

A. Yes. The gas chambers were standing there until the last day. They were standing there also when the concentration camps were subordinate to me. They were not destroyed previously.

Q. Nor afterwards. They continued to be operated after you were put in charge?

665

A. As far as the extermination of the Jews was carried on, yes, but I do not know how long this continued.

Q. Well, at least it continued as long as you were in charge.

A. I do not know how long it was continued. I do not know when the last Jews were exterminated.

Q. Well, you are trying to evade it, perhaps not intentionally. At any rate, after you became chief of the concentration camps, the gas chambers at Auschwitz and elsewhere continued to work?

A. I assume that, yes, naturally.

Q. Did you ever do anything to find out why people were being gassed to death, or did you ever protest against that program?

A. On two occasions I discussed with Himmler the entire Jewish extermination program. The first time it was approximately in the spring of 1943. At that time I had discovered, on my trips to Oranienburg, that the Jews whom I always used to meet when they came out of the Schering Works in the afternoon in large numbers, and who worked there as laborers, suddenly did not appear any more. The streets were empty. This attracted my attention so much that I pointed out this fact to Himmler during my next discussion, and I asked him why the Jews had been taken away from there and he told me, "Well, all the Jews from Berlin are now being sent to Theresienstadt." I considered this statement to be true at the time. I discussed this matter the second time with Himmler after the speech at Poznan. That was in October 1943. That was the first time, at Poznan. He told the SS Leaders that the Jews were to be exterminated. This was the first official notification which came to my knowledge. After this speech I talked to Obergruppenfuehrer Schmidt, von Herff, and other comrades, and we discussed the thing over the table. Their concepts of this speech and their opinions were not uniform at all. To the contrary, we were rather surprised about the way in which the Jewish question was now to be solved in such a brutal manner. For this reason, on the occasion of our next meeting, I again talked to Himmler about this, because I had been assigned the labor allocation. Otherwise I wouldn't have talked to him at all. We discussed labor allocations. On that occasion I told him that I still considered it stupid now, at the time when all the labor was so valuable to us, that I considered it madness to exterminate these people now. He became very angry, then he pressed his lips together and told me, "Well, that is none of your business. You do not know anything about this, and furthermore, you are too soft." Then he went to the adjoining room. He left me standing there, and approximately after 5 minutes he returned, and then he dismissed me by saying, "I have nothing further for you." Besides this I had no discussion with him about that.

666

Q. Your objection to the extermination program was that it was interfering with your labor supply?

A. As I have already stated, I probably would have never even been able to talk to Himmler if I had started any other way. I was fundamentally opposed to the entire question, because the solution to the Jewish question, if it was necessary, in this form seemed to be most inappropriate.

Q. But the only objection that you expressed to Himmler was that his program was killing off a lot of your valuable workers.

A. With this argument I tried to bring about a discussion, and I have already stated there was no other argument with which I could have started an argument with him at all, but even this method failed.

Q. You didn't try the argument that this was wholesale murder?

A. I did not use this argument, which was clear to me, because this would have caused him much less to have started a discussion with me. I had to bring him into a situation which would throw him into a discussion, but even this method failed.

Q. Did it occur to you that it was wholesale murder?

A. Of course I considered this as mass murder, and I still consider it that today.


BTW, Basil Fawlty is the same monthy Python as Silly Mountain Walks .
Back for a short time.

I'm not a mod but I'll tell you what they're almost certain to say if he has been flaming: he'll be dealt with shortly, but in the meantime, don't flame him back

And that is his reply:

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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
Well, QuahJoh, first let me say that I am the last to agree with your one sided, and I'll use the word that fits your exreme one side /Zionist/appartheid -view of the Palestianians.



Please give me some examples of my "extremism".


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
OK your old plate will ask again, "proove me aso."But I am not going to loose my time on browsing new NS on something that real neutral posters allready know.



In other words, I should just let you slander me without asking you to back it up.

Sorry, asshole. Not going to happen. If my "bias" and "extremist" support of Zionist apartheid is so apparent to "neutrals" like you, it should be no problem for you to cite some examples.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
Neutral=for me : people that can help you in your antihollocaustdenial but in the same seriousness study about the Israeli crimes against the Palestinians



I don't deny that Israelis have- and do- commit crimes against the Palestinians.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
based on facts and numbers, not on Sharon's or Bush's propaganda



... Because I'm always using Bush's propaganda? What?


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
and don't go in a war with me about that now with your propaganda and biased media



Fuck you. You insinuate that I'm a puppet of Sharon and Bush, that my information is all propaganda and bias, and I'm not supposed to "get into it" with you? Why? Because you say so?


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
that the Israel government is not as terrorist as Hamas.



It depends on how you look at it, and how you define "terrorist".


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
Don't since I 'm here to give YOU some real ammo (history, allways your weakness



What the hell is that supposed to mean?


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
allready told you in the past to use historical sources instead of pro Likoed or pro US Republican and other biased media



What constitutes "pro-Likud or pro-US Republican" sources? Help me out, here.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
there is enough non extreme Likoed sources or Labour sources



Let me know when you decide to make sense. I'll be right here.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
Don't call me an allie, because your one sided opinions on the Middle East are far away from mines



Thanks for that "tip". Otherwise I might have gotten confused and thought you were hitting on me.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
I've seen your posts last year often and I allways saw a biased defence and propaganda of the Zionist cause



I don't see anything inherently wrong with Zionism. So obviously, I'm going to defend it.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
and I allways found it verry sad that we could not place you as a defender of the Jewish people



Who the hell are you to make judgments on who is QUALIFIED to be considered a "defender" of the Jewish people? Did I miss something?


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
(since not all are Zionist, specially the not Israeli Jews in EU aren't comparing themselves with this ultra extremist view on the world and the Middle East in special) but only as a Zionist.



By that logic, no one can EVER be considered a "defender of the Jewish people", since you'd have quite a tough time finding ANYTHING that the Jewish people ALL agree on.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
(Pitty, but you're young and full of hate against the people who dare to critisize Israel



The real pity is your refusal to cite any examples of this occuring. I'm not "full of hate" against anyone. I call things as I see them, and I point out dishonesty, disengenuousness and bias when I see them. If you want to accuse ME of bias, that's fine. I freely acknowledge that I'm biased. That said, I try to be fair with how I analyze the news, AND as far as politics go, I'd say I'm pretty moderate.

So perhaps you can understand why I think it's complete BULLSHIT to try to call me a Likudnik or an extreme Zionist, or "full of hate" at people that criticize Israel, an activity I do on a regular basis. It's all the more BULLSHITTY when you refuse to provide any examples of my behavior that lead you to these conclusions.


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even the sweetest critic was allways bashed in the same way like those neo nazi's are attacking you now



Proof? Source?


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
(But I know that extremits are not aware of this, you really are on much points the same as the people that I will attack



If you'd make the slightest effort to prove this, I MIGHT care. But you won't, so I don't.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
Your views aren't mine



No fucking shit? Better alert the media.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
for me Zionisme is as bad as Stalinism, Nazism or extreme US republicanisme, something unfair and dictatorial. Don't ask me "source, proof aso, I have my thoughts and proof about that



Which is why you refuse to cite them. Got it. It's not that you don't have stuff to back it up, you just don't feel like it. Ok. Just so we're all clear.

Understand- you can think and believe WHATEVER YOU WANT. But I'm entitled to disagree with you and call you on it, just like you are to me.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
we will fall in the old discussion, UN resolutions that you don't agree, Israeli murder of hundreds of Palestinians in 1948



When did I deny this?


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
There is allways that antidemocracy smell that gets in the nose.



Yeah, damn Israel's antidemocracy. Nothing like, say, the democratic haven that is the rest of the Middle East.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
BTW, don'ty ask me "do you are OK woith Hammas questions to becaus ethis whil ridiculise you more and will show that you don't understand this post



Actually, I was going to ask if you have a spellchecker.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
I also think that when you try (I can only call your attempts a "try") to counterattack revisionits or other holocaust deniers, you don't use the good ammo or show a mather of unripeness



Unripeness? That's an interesting adjective choice.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
Why don't you read the famous books that I do , gives you lots of ammo.



Well, if I could read your mind, that would make this bibliography a lot easier to locate...


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
Why don't you study the post WWII interogations and trials about convicted war/hollocaust/aso.-criminals?The US, France, USSR that give us lot's of evidence about what happened when they had for example high SS ranks that testified?



What the hell do you care what resources I use? If you want to participate in this discussion, jump on in. You don't like my methods? Too bad. I don't take orders from you, and you certainly haven't given me any reason to want to take any ADVICE from you. If you want to help educate the rest of us, go ahead.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
BTW, never call the SS and or the Waffen SS the same like you did often in the past



When did I do that?


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
you must know the difference in all branches to givge a good opinion.



I don't recall saying much of ANYTHING about the different branches, so if you could help me out with this alleged incident, I'd really appreciate it.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
don't come on with your Google thing's now, I know that you haven't read enough about that.



Who said I did?


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
Anyway I wanted to give you some heavy ammo that will penetrate the Nazi armour a bit better then you tried to do on several pages.



Please understand something. If you want to debate with these douchebags, then do it. Don't act like you're doing me a favor by dropping in, lambasting me for my (unverified) positions on Israel (in a thread that has nothing to do with it), posting one document, then leaving.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
silly enough putted you in a corner there that made it more difficult for you (asked on page 23 or so for "your proof") against this bun,ch of revisionists.



I checked on pages 22, 23, and 24. I can't find what you're talking about.


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Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
Had to be on your side about this. I am.



Um... thanks?

So I guess you guys will take action or if not let continue this flaming?

A non English speaker, sory for the langueageproblems. It is (of course easier for me to express myself in other tongues like Dutch and French, sorry)

I'm not a mod but I'll tell you what they're almost certain to say if he has been flaming: he'll be dealt with shortly, but in the meantime, don't flame him back

Thank's you for your wise advise, I won't flaime him like he did to me, not my style.

I just found it sad that I tried to help him against fascists and hat he flaimed me :rolleyes: He'd better flaimed his ennemies.

But, since I joined NS , longue ago, I allways helped this guy about this subject and now he continues flamming like he did in the past, just because some of my views (and others)aren't his. Never I saw a NEONAZI (or other hollocausy deniers) using this style withouth getting a warning from the mods. QuahJoh allways seem toget away with it.
Again, I am the worst nightmare of deniers because of the facts that I can post by hobby/history degree aso., but I hate it when oher people use the same style as those neonazis to, withouth being punished in the same degree. (this only gives ammo to the Neonazis and gives them the facts that they will abuse when they say that a site like NS is pro Jew/Stalin/Zionist/EU/US aso. , they'll abuse it and QuahJoh is helping them by this, alltough the person does not think twice about the immpact of his flaiming :rolleyes: )

He allways get away with this :rolleyes:


When you read my post (I brought in a testimony of a high rank SS oficer), it is obvious that I tried to help the guy in his defence against the neonazis, I just can't understand why he uses this flaiming and that other people (I won't loose my time on that) can't use the same words withouth getting banned for a week or two:rolleyes:

So I guess you guys will take action or if not let continue this flaming?

A non English speaker, sory for the langueageproblems. It is (of course easier for me to express myself in other tongues like Dutch and French, sorry)
You barely gave them half an hour to act. Bear in mind that mods are volunteers with actual lives.

If nothing happens in a day or two, you would be justified in bumping the topic, but that's about it.

Please mods, do I have the right to talk at QJuahJoh witht he same flaming words and "smilies"? Won't you give a week ban, or so.?


I will use the same words "asshole" , "fuck you", "morron" and many other words that he used, in the same style.

I guess that it is tolerated for me when QuahJah can use them withouth sanctions? Do you Sirs and Ladies allow us (him) to talk like this?
No probs for me when he can. I 'll just ask some US collegues here in the mountains wich dirty words (I don't know them in English ;) ) I'll have to use in the next discussion at his levell.

OK?

You barely gave them half an hour to act. Bear in mind that mods are volunteers with actual lives.

If nothing happens in a day or two, you would be justified in bumping the topic, but that's about it.

I know, just being attacked and knowing that this takes time :fluffle:

Why don't you just put the user flaming you on "ignore" while you wait for the mods to act?

Why don't you just put the user flaming you on "ignore" while you wait for the mods to act?

Allready thought about it and will follow your wise advise. But, still, I hope to hear the wise decission of a mod.


I won't flame him. Most stupid thing I can do is to flame him like he did, I know, thanks. :cool:

But, still, I hope to hear the wise decission of a mod.

You will; just be patient. They have other things to do, too, and they volunteer.

I will use the same words "asshole" , "fuck you", "morron" and many other words that he used, in the same style.

I guess that it is tolerated for me when QuahJah can use them withouth sanctions? Do you Sirs and Ladies allow us (him) to talk like this?
No probs for me when he can. I 'll just ask some US collegues here in the mountains wich dirty words (I don't know them in English ;) ) I'll have to use in the next discussion at his levell.
Just so you know, from what I remember of the thread that was started on it, while flaming is still prohibited swearing is allowed on Jolt forums.




Not a Mod

It seems that the main issue here is "what constitutes flaming"?

In my time on this forum, I have yet to see anyone be banned simply for using "bad language". I swear on a regular basis, have done so ever since I first joined, and have yet to be warned.

So, what makes something a "flame" per se? If a mod could educate me as to this, I'd be much obliged, and do my best to observe their guidelines.

Furthermore, I stand by everything I've written to Basil here. He attacked me in two threads (one which I notice he's neglected to post- can be found here: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6810634&postcount=15), and I feel perfectly justified in responding in kind. If someone claims I support "Zionist apartheid", calls me an extremist, a racist, and "full of hate", says I use propaganda, and best yet, compares me to a Nazi, all without pointing to ANY specific instances, then, yes, I have no problem calling them an asshole.

I just found it sad that I tried to help him against fascists and hat he flaimed me He'd better flaimed his ennemies.

Oh yeah, your post in which you attacked and insulted me repeatedly and then posted a document was a huge help.

As I've said before, in the thread- I see no reason to feel "gratitude" to you for "helping", particularly since you have repeatedly demonstrated hostility to me. If you think you can defame me and then post a document "proving" the Holocaust happened and the two equal out, you're wrong. I don't need your help proving it happened, I know it happened. You want to help against Holocaust deniers? Then do so, and keep your feelings about me and Israel in other threads. Don't expect that I'll somehow ignore the malicious things you're saying about me simply because we agree the Holocaust happened and the people that deny it are morons.

But, since I joined NS , longue ago, I allways helped this guy about this subject and now he continues flamming like he did in the past, just because some of my views (and others)aren't his.

Bullshit. You attacked ME in the "Armenian Genocide" thread. Prior to that, I was completely unaware of your existence. You declared that you had a problem with MY views, and then attacked me for it. I have merely responded to YOUR posts. Furthermore, the fact that you have not tried to contact me through a telegram to try to calmly speak to me, and have instead tried to get me BANNED for behavior in which plenty of other people engage speaks volumes.

Never I saw a NEONAZI (or other hollocausy deniers) using this style withouth getting a warning from the mods. QuahJoh allways seem toget away with it.

You should re-read the "Jewish Power in America" thread. Plenty of "potty-mouth" going on. Once again, I'm unclear about exactly what I'm doing that constitutes "flaming".

Again, I am the worst nightmare of deniers because of the facts that I can post by hobby/history degree aso., but I hate it when oher people use the same style as those neonazis to, withouth being punished in the same degree.

I don't think ANYONE in the Jewish Power thread has been punished for any of their posts. Someone help me out: why is it ok to call Jews scum of the earth, say they rape children and drink Christian blood, but calling THOSE people "assholes" is somehow "crossing a line"? Why is it ok for Basil to call me a Nazi and say I use "bacterial lifeform propaganda", but somehow me calling him "moron" is ban-worthy? If we're going to enforce "standards", then enforce them equally. If, however, there is more or less freedom of speech here on NS- which is my impression- then shouldn't I be allowed to respond to attacks on me however I choose? I haven't threatened anyone, I've been responding to Basil's statements point-by-point, and I'm not saying anything other people haven't said. I don't understand the problem.

they'll abuse it and QuahJoh is helping them by this, alltough the person does not think twice about the immpact of his flaiming

I see no reason to pull punches with assholes. Period.

When you read my post (I brought in a testimony of a high rank SS oficer), it is obvious that I tried to help the guy in his defence against the neonazis

Already addressed. You insulted and attacked me repeatedly, then posted your "help". If that's going to be the format of your assistance, feel free to keep it to yourself. Otherwise, I'm going to continue confronting you on it.

I just can't understand why he uses this flaiming and that other people (I won't loose my time on that) can't use the same words withouth getting banned for a week or two

I have no knowledge of anyone being banned for using the words "asshole, fuck you, douchebag", etc. If you do, feel free to share. All I know is I have yet to be warned, much less admonished, by anyone. Therefore, I am going to conclude that my behavior is appropriate unless told otherwise. If I'm mistaken, I HOPE that someone will correct me.

Please mods, do I have the right to talk at QJuahJoh witht he same flaming words and "smilies"?

I don't see why you wouldn't.

I will use the same words "asshole" , "fuck you", "morron" and many other words that he used, in the same style.

Feel free.

I have no knowledge of anyone being banned for using the words "asshole, fuck you, douchebag", etc. If you do, feel free to share.
QahJoh, you and I have been around for similar times (even though we've never crossed paths). I got warned for calling a poster 'a little twit (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=309784)', and got another for telegraming someone and describing their region as 'a pathetic place'. I never so much as mentioned any of the words that I consider vulgar or rude, but you can be assured that the tone was, and was intended to be, hostile.

I still don't think either warning was especially deserved, but let's just say that use of language depends on both the context and the reader. Two different mods, both of whom I respect, agreed that my tone and language were out of line. If a third mod decides I'm being hostile again, I'm out on my ass. I won't like it, but I agreed when I came here that the mods interpretation was effectively law.

I would have used much stronger language almost anywhere but Nationstates, because my understanding was that we 'keep it clean for the sake of the schoolkids'. Since the move to Jolt I've seen a ton of language that would have been instant-ban fodder on the old boards. Maybe the rules have changed, or maybe it's just the difference between General and the UN.

In any event, it's probably a good idea to recognize that Max Barry and NationStates DO accept and encourage fairly young players. With that in mind, don't you think a wee bit of slack in the definition of 'asshole' might be called for?

Frisbeeteria,

First, thanks for your comments. I appreciate your input.

I won't like it, but I agreed when I came here that the mods interpretation was effectively law.

I've never said otherwise. Of course, I've never been warned about my language, either.

I would have used much stronger language almost anywhere but Nationstates, because my understanding was that we 'keep it clean for the sake of the schoolkids'. Since the move to Jolt I've seen a ton of language that would have been instant-ban fodder on the old boards. Maybe the rules have changed, or maybe it's just the difference between General and the UN.

IIRC, the old board had a curse-filter. This was particularly helpful for folks like me who often integrate swearing into their posts, as I could trust that the most offensive stuff would be sta*red.

In any event, it's probably a good idea to recognize that Max Barry and NationStates DO accept and encourage fairly young players. With that in mind, don't you think a wee bit of slack in the definition of 'asshole' might be called for?

If a mod tells me I'm being out of line, I'll consider modifying my behavior. As it stands now, though, I don't see how what I'm posting is any less respectful (or MORE hostile) than the more offensive posts of some of the folks I'm responding to.

My feeling on it is that there's more than one way to be "obscene".

, and best yet, compares me to a Nazi,
.

Please show us the light? Where did I call you a Nazi? (OK, you behave like one of them...but please, evidence? Like allways, you just flaime away or post just rubbish without evidence, typical QJ :rolleyes: )




BTW, your diarrhoea of words that is still dripping from your tongue has that same smell like in your post. *bah*Since you call your flaming "swearing", I guess that other people can use the same style when they are talking to you? Is not that right you Zionist asshole? That is what you are looking for isn't it? (Using your own words *I am a Zionist* and what you call persons that have a other opinion then yours * assholles* aso...).

In fact you bacterial lifeform, you better don't put your shadow on my doorstep again.


Oh, I like *swearing* to if you wan't, you started what I call flaming, but since it's allowed now, I can alude to your bullshit that you posted an answer it:upyours:


BTW I guess that you allso need a spelling corector, but shame on you, for your own tongue... Idiot.

Onnozel Joods fascistje dat me probeert uit te dagen in talen :confused: Iedereen weet hoe extreem je bent in je posts en blijkbaar mag jij schelden, dus mag ik het ook, QJ= pure tijdsverspilling en idd. een Likoed ventje dat het even goed doet als Adolf in zijn propaganda.. :D

On peut continuer en Français aussi, si vs. voulez, comme ça on peut comparer tes capacités de parler d'autres langues que les deux que tu connais (?), pauv' type. Maar deze taal zal waarschijnlijk niet rechts genoeg zijn en te kritisch voor het regime dat hij met opgeheven hand blind steunt.

Auf Deutsch? Auch Gut :p Sie mussen das gerade kennen und gelehrnt haben von deine Helden im Zweiten Weltkrieg. :mad:

Ok, het ventje moet nu naar zijn Bable Fish programmaatje (wanner hij iets probeert te vertalen merk ik steeds aan de belachelijke zinsbouw dat hij het nodig heeft, hij kan het dus niet zelf :D ) gaan om iets te vertalen. Uiteraard, voor exteem rechtse Israeli's of US'ers ben je al een intellectueel als je kan lezen en schrijven, hier, in een democratie tel je een beetje mee als je er vlot vier of vijf spreekt. :rolleyes: Wat haat ik die extreem rechtse kz zonder kennis van enig feit of nog erger, het revisionisme van QJ van elk FEIT.. :mp5:

Flamen in het moderator's forum is niet slim. Of het nou de waarheid is, of niet :confused:

Flamen in het moderator's forum is niet slim. Of het nou de waarheid is, of niet :confused:

Ok, niet slim, maar wat die gast zich permiteert kan ik niet over men kant laten gaan. Ik post hem hier voor "flaming" en hij komt er mee weg met "swearing". Voor mij was dat flaming, en ik gebruik voor hem dezelfde woorden als hij voor mij gebruikt, dus als het voor hem toegelaten is dan moet dat voor mij ook kunnen.

Ok, not smart, but when this guy can permit himself that, I have the right to defend myself. I posted here for his "flaming" but he gets away with it with his excuse "swearing". For me this was flaming, and I use exactly the same words that he did, so when he can, then it is tolerated for me to.(translation)

Since QJ, started this, and no MOD took action, I think it is allright to use the same words and smilies as he did. BTW I wood even agree with a warning if when it is made loud and clear that he used the word "asshole" first and lied about calling him a "Zionist Nazi", one of his wishfull thinking lies (where is the "evidence" that he allways asks at others?).Alltough I must agree that his strategy fits well the Goebels talking. (Posting and attacking people that have other thoughts in the same way as "Joseph" Goebels did).

Mr. Basil Fawlty, I am going to agree with Gothic Kitty on this -- and she knows what she is talking about -- don't flame other players, no matter the provocation... it may turn and bite you instead.

Be the better person in this; don't stoop to the level of behavior you dislike.

Mr. Basil Fawlty, I am going to agree with Gothic Kitty on this -- and she knows what she is talking about -- don't flame other players, no matter the provocation... it may turn and bite you instead..

Don't flame in response. Period. The mods will cite you for flaming, too, and it's been done, especially to those who report others for flaming in the same thread they've flamed those flamers.

, especially to those who report others for flaming in the same thread they've flamed those flamers.

To begin: Please where did I flame him in that thread?
"in the same thread they've flamed those flamers".




Be serious, I posted this topic in the Moderation because of flaiming and the person, QJ, defends himself with the semantic "Swearing" when uses flaiming words like "asshole" and many others. Then he uses lies like that I called him a "Nazi Zionist", wich he can not proof. Watch my posts, never did, but it fits him well, next time I'll be a anti semite :rolleyes: Altough I posted a lot against hollocaustdeniers. Problem with the guy is that he can not make the difference or see the relation between the behaviour of the NSDAP government and the one of Likoed and he uses every dirty lie or denies (extremists on both sides are deniers) facts about the Israel-Palestine conflict. That is where his hate reactions come from against people that try to neither favour the Palestinians neither favour the Likoed side. He hates arguments and UN facts.




So you don't agree with those flaimingfacts, that is OK for me, but for the matter of neutrality, I asked, days before this post, why he can flaime or "Swear"? And when he can, may I use the exactly same words like he did?

If those words are flamming then the guy that that started them should be punished first. BTW, if there is any punishment, why comment it first withouth doing that :rolleyes: . Double Standard for QJ the? :rolleyes:

I know what he said, and that is why I started this topic and I wonder why people are that tollerate about him and won't be when I use the same words DAYS LATER when I saw that my posts did not gave a reply of the mods.

So my question still is there: may I use the same words (for me flaiming) when it is OK for QJ ("swearing", for him)? Problem is that some (few, OK) posters here don't read the original post and QJ's extremist reaction on it, that needed a answer from the Mods or a advise about using the same words like he did? Or can he? Yes?

You missed my point; I was merely agreeing with the poster before me. If I thought you were flaming, friend, I would've directed you or anyone else to where I thought that was happening.

You missed my point; I was merely agreeing with the poster before me. If I thought you were flaming, friend, I would've directed you or anyone else to where I thought that was happening.

OK, understood.


But this thing has been on my mind for days, I cannot stand such extreme hate and flaiming. Not my style, that is why I continue in this.

I understand your frustration, but be patient, the moderators will see this.

Please show us the light? Where did I call you a Nazi? (OK, you behave like one of them...but please, evidence?

In the Armenian Genocide thread, which I notice you didn't link to here, YOU wrote the following, after I responded to NWV's racist statements saying "Turks are barbarians":

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6810634#post6810634

Everybody can use a propaganda arm but the problem with people like QuahJo and others is that they just go as far in their worshipping of the Israeli hardliners that they lack the capabillity to accept facts.

It is ironic to say , but they copied a lot from the Nazi's. And they are the best copîers in the branch.

That is a Nazi comparison. I never said you CALLED me a Nazi, I said you COMPARED me to a Nazi.

Like allways, you just flaime away or post just rubbish without evidence, typical QJ

Look who's talking. You've attacked me repeatedly for things I've allegedly said which you have yet to cite any proof of.

BTW, your diarrhoea of words that is still dripping from your tongue has that same smell like in your post.

Ouch.

*bah*Since you call your flaming "swearing", I guess that other people can use the same style when they are talking to you? Is not that right you Zionist asshole? That is what you are looking for isn't it?

I don't recall saying I was "looking" for anything. I simply said that I didn't see anything wrong with my language, and that I didn't think it was a ban-able offensive. Furthermore, I find it interesting that you're trying to portray yourself as "taking the high road" here, particularly since you're now engaging in the same behavior you're trying to get me BANNED for. Furthermore, just as an FWI, most people don't tend to identify "diarrhea of words" as being "high-class".

(Using your own words *I am a Zionist* and what you call persons that have a other opinion then yours * assholles* aso...).

I supported my allegations by citing my quotes; feel free to to the same. Where did I say anything resembling, "anyone that disagrees with me is an asshole"? I choose the words I do based on behavior, not politics.

In fact you bacterial lifeform, you better don't put your shadow on my doorstep again.

This doesn't even make sense, since YOU have been the instigator in all this. You have attacked me, unprovoked, in two threads (three, including this one). I have merely been responding to YOUR insulting and inflammatory statements. I feel no regrets about what I've said, nor have you done anything to make me change my opinion of you.

Oh, I like *swearing* to if you wan't, you started what I call flaming, but since it's allowed now, I can alude to your bullshit that you posted an answer it

Not quite sure what you're trying to say here, but feel free to find examples of my "bullshit" that you have a problem with. And a raised middle-finger to you, too.

BTW I guess that you allso need a spelling corector, but shame on you, for your own tongue... Idiot.

Once again, ouch, the pain.

Onnozel Joods fascistje dat me probeert uit te dagen in talen Iedereen weet hoe extreem je bent in je posts en blijkbaar mag jij schelden, dus mag ik het ook, QJ= pure tijdsverspilling en idd. een Likoed ventje dat het even goed doet als Adolf in zijn propaganda..

I don't speak Dutch, but good ol' Babelfish has informed me apparently this is about how "everyone" can see how "extreme" I am in my views. You also say I'm a "Jewish fascist" who wastes your time. Lastly, you compare the Likud to Adolf. What this has to do with me is anyone's guess. Perhaps one of the other Dutch-speakers here will be so kind as to enlighten me.

On peut continuer en Français aussi, si vs. voulez, comme ça on peut comparer tes capacités de parler d'autres langues que les deux que tu connais (?), pauv' type.

Come tu veut. Mon Francais n'est pas excellent, comme tu peut voir, principablement parcequ'il y a quelque mois depuis je l'ai parle. Mais, au moins, tu peut ecrire et je peut mieux comprendre tes messages.

Maar deze taal zal waarschijnlijk niet rechts genoeg zijn en te kritisch voor het regime dat hij met opgeheven hand blind steunt.

Something about how I support "the regime with raised hand blindly". Again, I'd love to know what you're talking about. Feel free to let me know.

Auf Deutsch? Auch Gut Sie mussen das gerade kennen und gelehrnt haben von deine Helden im Zweiten Weltkrieg.

Something about property and my heroes in the Second World War? Huh?

Ok, het ventje moet nu naar zijn Bable Fish programmaatje (wanner hij iets probeert te vertalen merk ik steeds aan de belachelijke zinsbouw dat hij het nodig heeft, hij kan het dus niet zelf ) gaan om iets te vertalen. Uiteraard, voor exteem rechtse Israeli's of US'ers ben je al een intellectueel als je kan lezen en schrijven, hier, in een democratie tel je een beetje mee als je er vlot vier of vijf spreekt. Wat haat ik die extreem rechtse kz zonder kennis van enig feit of nog erger, het revisionisme van QJ van elk FEIT..

Actually, I'd never used Babelfish before you suggested it; I would have been perfectly happy to ignore all of the above. I know you might find it hard to believe, but I really don't think someone cursing at me in languages I don't speak is going to keep me up nights.

Apparently this last blurb of yours had something implying I'm affiliated with the "extreme right" (I'm not), and accuses me of revisionism. If you'd be so kind as to give me some examples of this, I'd appreciate it.

Ok, not smart, but when this guy can permit himself that, I have the right to defend myself.

Pretty ironic, considering this all started because you felt it necessary to accuse me of being racist, extremist, and all the rest. You attacked ME, Basil. I've merely responded as I see fit.

I posted here for his "flaming" but he gets away with it with his excuse "swearing". For me this was flaming, and I use exactly the same words that he did, so when he can, then it is tolerated for me to.

I agree 100%. If I'm allowed to do it, you should be, too. If, however, it turns out that I'm not, then at least I know you'll get banned, too. :D

Since QJ, started this

This is wrong, as noted above.

and no MOD took action, I think it is allright to use the same words and smilies as he did. BTW I wood even agree with a warning if when it is made loud and clear that he used the word "asshole" first

No regrets about that. You were acting like one, and still are.

and lied about calling him a "Zionist Nazi"

Actually, YOU just lied. Twice, actually. I never said you called me a Nazi, or a Zionist Nazi. I said you compared me to a Nazi, and posted the evidence in the first line of this post.

Alltough I must agree that his strategy fits well the Goebels talking. (Posting and attacking people that have other thoughts in the same way as "Joseph" Goebels did).

In case you're keeping track, this would be the THIRD time you've compared me to a Nazi. Like I said, great way to take the high ground.

Be serious, I posted this topic in the Moderation because of flaiming and the person, QJ, defends himself with the semantic "Swearing" when uses flaiming words like "asshole" and many others.

As I said, if swearing constitutes flaming, then I would LOVE for a Mod to let me know so I can modify my behavior. I have been using swears in my posts since I first joined here seven months ago and have never been warned ONCE for this behavior. As far as I know, no one has every complained about it, either. So if it IS flaming, the Mods must be a little backlogged.

Then he uses lies like that I called him a "Nazi Zionist", wich he can not proof. Watch my posts, never did, but it fits him well, next time I'll be a anti semite

This has already been addressed and refuted. Like I said before, my problem is not with your politics, but in your behavior. You are attacking me personally, then getting offended at my angry and curse-laden reactions. What did you expect? You have called me a long list of rather ugly words, none of which I feel are fair. I feel perfectly justified in using the language I've used to describe you and your accusations. Period.

Altough I posted a lot against hollocaustdeniers.

Like I said before, I'm not going to thank you for a post which was half long-winded assault on me, half copy-pasting of an SS document. You can keep that kind of "help" to yourself.

Problem with the guy is that he can not make the difference or see the relation between the behaviour of the NSDAP government and the one of Likoed

I don't even know what discussion you're referring to here. From my perspective, you just jumped onto my radar about a week ago when you attacked me (some might even call it a "flame") in the Armenian Genocide thread. Since then, you've posted two or three times in the Jewish Power thread, insulting and defaming me each time.

WHEN HAVE WE DISCUSSED THE LIKUD? Did I miss something?

and he uses every dirty lie or denies (extremists on both sides are deniers) facts about the Israel-Palestine conflict.

Feel free to prove it.

That is where his hate reactions come from against people that try to neither favour the Palestinians neither favour the Likoed side. He hates arguments and UN facts.

I don't "hate" anyone. I disagree with your politics, but don't "hate" you for them. What I have a problem with is you insulting and defaming me, without referencing any discussions, misrepresenting MY beliefs, politics, and actions, then running to the mods when I respond angrily.

YOU'VE BEEN LYING ABOUT ME AND INSULTING ME. What did you expect my reaction to be? Furthermore, from where I'm sitting, you're guilty of doing the exact thing you accuse me of, since you've singled me out and have gone after me in three threads, unprovoked, simply because I have different politics than YOU.

So you don't agree with those flaimingfacts, that is OK for me, but for the matter of neutrality, I asked, days before this post, why he can flaime or "Swear"? And when he can, may I use the exactly same words like he did?

We're all still waiting on the Mods. I want a response as much as you do.

If those words are flamming then the guy that that started them should be punished first. BTW, if there is any punishment, why comment it first withouth doing that . Double Standard for QJ the?

If I get punished for "flaming", my only request is that you be punished for it as well, since you've proceeded to do the exact same thing in this thread.

I know what he said, and that is why I started this topic and I wonder why people are that tollerate about him and won't be when I use the same words DAYS LATER when I saw that my posts did not gave a reply of the mods.

Just so you know, I have yet to get any word from the mods since this thread opened. Not saying they don't care, but I certainly haven't been given any warning (and obviously haven't been banned).

As I said, even a few lines from a Mod clarifying this situation would be appreciated.

So my question still is there: may I use the same words (for me flaiming) when it is OK for QJ ("swearing", for him)? Problem is that some (few, OK) posters here don't read the original post and QJ's extremist reaction on it, that needed a answer from the Mods or a advise about using the same words like he did? Or can he? Yes?

Now my reaction to it was extremist? NOW who's lying? Are you sure you know what this word means? :headbang:

But this thing has been on my mind for days, I cannot stand such extreme hate and flaiming. Not my style, that is why I continue in this.

There's no "hate" here. Just anger at your continuous dishonesty and hypocrisy.

Lastly, I notice you neglected to post our second exchange from the Jewish Power thread here. In case anyone is interested, here it is: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6817947#post6817947 (Basil's posts; my reply is two posts down)

Furthermore, I would like to request that a Mod contact me by telegram if and when they decide to pursue this, so that I might be able to give my rendition of events.

Knock it off. Both of you.

Knock it off. Both of you.

Could you clarify? Do you mean simply stop bickering with each other in this thread/other threads, or stop swearing, flaming, etc? Is cursing considered "flaming"? Should one generally avoid cursing here as a matter of protocol?

Please understand, I'm more than happy to do what you ask if you'll just explain what you want. (BTW, I tried to contact you with a private message but was told I was not allowed to "access that page".)

Thanks.

Of course.

While swearing is not, necessarily, verbotten it does walk the line of acceptability. By swearing, one runs the risk of slipping into flaming.

Now then, to get more specific. From what I've seen, both you and the original complainer have taken the discussion far too personally, and are skirting the lines of flaming. Rational, polite debate is one thing, heated debate another, and -- essentially -- yelling at each other a third. Terming it as "bickering" is quite accurate. It would probably be wise for you to avoid each other, as civil discourse seems to be an impossibility.

Thanks much for the clarification. I'll do my best to take your advice.

I posted a historical WWIII site (with source) that helped him, in a polite and helping way,but, I also explained my feelings about modern history.


Errr...... WWIII....... did i miss a conflict?

Errr...... WWIII....... did i miss a conflict?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3570227.stm

http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/church.htm

Bush Plans WWIII
A guy walks in and asks the bartender, "Isn't that Bush and Powell sitting over there?" The bartender says, "Yep, that's them." So the guy walks over and says, "Wow, this is a real honor. What are you guys doing in here?"
Bush says, "We're planning WWIII. And the guy says, "Really? What's going to happen?"

Bush says, "Well, we're going to kill 140 million Iraqis this time and one bicycle repairman."

The guy exclaimed, "A bicycle repairman!!! Why kill a bicycle repairman?"

Bush turns to Powell, punches him on the shoulder and says, "See, dummy! I told you no one would worry about the 140 million Iraqis!"

How many do you want? :cool:

they copied a lot from the Nazi's That is a Nazi comparison. I never said you CALLED me a Nazi, I said you COMPARED me to a Nazi.

Now my reaction to it was extremist? NOW who's lying? Are you sure you know what this word means? :headbang:
Just anger at your continuous dishonesty and hypocrisy. Whell I could tell it better and will ad the evidence of your lies,alltough you allready posted them.

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Think that you made it very easy for everyone to see that you continue to lie, you even posted my text and then made some parts in the text bold so that it would fit your lies? :rolleyes:




Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
Everybody can use a propaganda arm but the problem with people like QuahJo and others is that they just go as far in their worshipping of the Israeli hardliners that they lack the capabillity to accept facts.

It is ironic to say , but .but they copied a lot from the Nazi's and they are the best copîers in the branch.

So when I say that the Israeli hardliners copied a lot from the Nazi's, wich is what I ment, but you tried to discredit someone by saying that he called/ compared, whatever you with a Nazi. You posted my original text yourself here, I don't see a comparision/calling you a Nazi.

But you must be right if when you consider yourself part of those hardliners, then you musrt be but let it be obvious that you aren't prooving anything with the original text, on the contrary.

they copied a lot from the Nazi's That is a Nazi comparison. I never said you CALLED me a Nazi, I said you COMPARED me to a Nazi.

Now my reaction to it was extremist? NOW who's lying? Are you sure you know what this word means? :headbang:
Just anger at your continuous dishonesty and hypocrisy. Whell I could tell it better and will ad the evidence of your lies,alltough you allready posted them.

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Think that you made it very easy for everyone to see that you continue to lie, you even posted my text and then made some parts in the text bold so that it would fit your lies? :rolleyes:




Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
Everybody can use a propaganda arm but the problem with people like QuahJo and others is that they just go as far in their worshipping of the Israeli hardliners that they lack the capabillity to accept facts.

It is ironic to say , but .but they copied a lot from the Nazi's and they are the best copîers in the branch.

So when I say that the Israeli hardliners copied a lot from the Nazi's, wich is what I ment, but you tried to discredit someone by saying that he called/ compared, whatever you with a Nazi. You posted my original text yourself here, I don't see a comparision/calling you a Nazi.

But you must be correct when you consider yourself as part of those hardliners, then you must be one, but let it be obvious that you aren't prooving anything with the original text, on the contrary.


BTW, when you copy, copy the yext comepletely, because you are showing everyone that whit a little deleting in the original text + making a part bold, you can give it a other meaning. So here the original text:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nazi Weaponized Virus
After The Cyprus invasion, and the desperate fleeing of the Refugees to the South. Southern Cypriot Hospitals were so innundated patients wishing to have abortions that they simply could not cope. I'd call mass rape, pillaging, desecration of graveyards and mass murder a barbaric act, wouldn't you?



Can't agree more. But NWV do not forget that Turkey is the best allie of the Israeli regime in the muslim world.

Just this because- and remember who your talking at: QuahJoh wich opinions allways has to be seen by: more/not/ or neutral people in the context of Israel and QJ's (alltough he viruelently resists against the facts) Zionisme and lack of criticisme on Israel in each topic.

I wan't to defend guys like him against negationisme or holllocaust denial (alltough I also know about the exploitation) but do know that that kind of people very easy handles the arm of antisemitisme when you discuss facts about WWII or the Middle East.

Everybody can use a propaganda arm but the problem with people like QuahJo and others is that they just go as far in their worshipping of the Israeli hardliners that they lack the capabillity to accept facts.

It is ironic to say , but they copied a lot from the Nazi's. And they are the best copîers in the branch.



It was about the Israeli regime..., you nicely tried, and failed with your lies. But since we all saw wich dirty tricks you tried, I'll post it now: Yes, acting the way you did makes a good comparision with the one that just would act like you did: Joseph (hmmm..strange name for a Nazi) Goebels. So let this be clear: yes, I compare you now with a Nazi! Because you lied when I did not and you continue to give another explanation at MY post. If I wanted to copare you with them, I would have done like I do now, no problem.

they copied a lot from the Nazi's

Think that you made it very easy for everyone to see that you continue to lie, you even posted my text and then made some parts in the text bold so that it would fit your lies? :rolleyes:




Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Basil Fawlty
Everybody can use a propaganda arm but the problem with people like QuahJo and others is that they just go as far in their worshipping of the Israeli hardliners that they lack the capabillity to accept facts.

It is ironic to say , but .but they copied a lot from the Nazi's and they are the best copîers in the branch.

So when I say that the Israeli hardliners copied a lot from the Nazi's, wich is what I ment, but you tried to discredit someone by saying that he called/ compared, whatever you with a Nazi. You posted my original text yourself here, I don't see a comparision/calling you a Nazi.

But you must be correct when you consider yourself as part of those hardliners, then you must be one, but let it be obvious that you aren't prooving anything with the original text, on the contrary.


BTW, when you copy, copy the yext comepletely, because you are showing everyone that whit a little deleting in the original text + making a part bold, you can give it a other meaning. So here the original text:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nazi Weaponized Virus
After The Cyprus invasion, and the desperate fleeing of the Refugees to the South. Southern Cypriot Hospitals were so innundated patients wishing to have abortions that they simply could not cope. I'd call mass rape, pillaging, desecration of graveyards and mass murder a barbaric act, wouldn't you?



Can't agree more. But NWV do not forget that Turkey is the best allie of the Israeli regime in the muslim world.

Just this because- and remember who your talking at: QuahJoh wich opinions allways has to be seen by: more/not/ or neutral people in the context of Israel and QJ's (alltough he viruelently resists against the facts) Zionisme and lack of criticisme on Israel in each topic.

I wan't to defend guys like him against negationisme or holllocaust denial (alltough I also know about the exploitation) but do know that that kind of people very easy handles the arm of antisemitisme when you discuss facts about WWII or the Middle East.

Everybody can use a propaganda arm but the problem with people like QuahJo and others is that they just go as far in their worshipping of the Israeli hardliners that they lack the capabillity to accept facts.

It is ironic to say , but they copied a lot from the Nazi's. And they are the best copîers in the branch.



It was about the Israeli regime..., you nicely tried, and failed with your lies. But since we all saw wich dirty tricks you tried, I'll post it now: Yes, acting the way you did makes a good comparision with the one that just would act like you did: Joseph (hmmm..strange name for a Nazi) Goebels. So let this be clear: yes, I compare you now with a Nazi! Because you lied when I did not and you continue to give another explanation at MY post. If I wanted to copare you with them, I would have done like I do now, no problem.

For anyone keeping track, that makes four.

Would a mod be so kind as to close this thread?

For anyone keeping track, that makes four.

Would a mod be so kind as to close this thread?

Well, you are keeping track, and I gave real evidence (posted the complete post from wich you used a few lines to support your lie.) allways better then just the few words that you bring together. :rolleyes:

Well, you are keeping track, and I gave real evidence (posted the complete post from wich you used a few lines to support your lie.) allways better then just the few words that you bring together. :rolleyes:

I'd like to apologize for my earlier mistake. I thought you were lumping me together with the Israeli hardliners (when you were apparently just saying I "worship" them) you were comparing to Nazis. The fact is, your grasp of the English language isn't great, and it's not always easy to understand exactly what you're trying to say.

Everybody can use a propaganda arm but the problem with people like QuahJo and others is that they just go as far in their worshipping of the Israeli hardliners that they lack the capabillity to accept facts.

It is ironic to say , but .but they copied a lot from the Nazi's and they are the best copîers in the branch.

In your first sentence, you refer to two groups of people, people "like me", and the "hardliners" we apparently worship. In your second, you refer them without clarifying which one you're talking about, or if you're perhaps talking about both of them.

That's like me saying, "I used apples and oranges in my fruit salad. Too bad they were rotten." Not exactly crystal-clear.

I assumed that since your post was mainly ABOUT ME and my apparent evils and biases, that the "they" also referred to me, at least partially. It was a mistake, but an honest one, not a lie. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would read it that way.

For the record, I have repeatedly clarified that I am not a "hardliner", nor a worshipper of said individuals. I also provided links to ALL of our exchanges, not just one, so I wouldn't accuse me of selectivism if I were you.

Lastly, my internal calculator is informing me that Four minus One is three. So that's just three Nazi comparisons, for those of you keeping score out there.

Hopefully, this will be my last response to you in this thread, Basil. I'm hoping you won't attack me again and necessitate another post. But I guess we'll have to see.

The fact is, your grasp of the English language isn't great, and it's not always easy to understand exactly what you're trying to say.


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Yes, I allready tought that you tought it because of that since your last post. Semanticly, when I compare it with my tongue, you could have misunderstand me, but that is the problem when you've got to speak in another tongue. My Dutch/French and German are better and won't give this languageproblem.

Now, I know that you know to that I was not comparing you with the NSDAP. Bloody stupid of all our lost time, while we could have fought holocaust deniers or neonazi's at this time. :(

It is of course obvious that you aren't one of them, neither am I.

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Hopefully, this will be my last response to you in this thread, Basil. I'm hoping you won't attack me again and necessitate another post.


You don't have to wurry.

Yes, I allready tought that you tought it because of that since your last post. Semanticly, when I compare it with my tongue, you could have misunderstand me, but that is the problem when you've got to speak in another tongue. My Dutch/French and German are better and won't give this languageproblem.

Now, I know that you know to that I was not comparing you with the NSDAP. Bloody stupid of all our lost time, while we could have fought holocaust deniers or neonazi's at this time. :(

It is of course obvious that you aren't one of them, neither am I.

I'm glad we can agree. :)

The fact is, Basil, I believe that you have a mistaken impression of me and my political positions in regard to Israel, and I'd be happy to discuss them with you in PM or in General. Let's just try to keep it civil?

I'm glad we can agree. :)

Let's just try to keep it civil?

Why not. That can be a stap forward :)