NationStates Jolt Archive

My nations Thoughtful Loners, Inane Sayings, Cuban Defenders, Ignots, and Stagnia were all deleted approx. 30-45 minutes ago. I'd just like to know why, and if it would be a possiblity to get Thoughtful Loners and Inane Sayings back. They were my two main regions. Thank you for your time.

Were more than one of them in the UN?

No, only Ignots was UN. More then one UN is what gets you deleted. So I try not to do it.

well, i'm guessing ignots got deleted for spamming..

Regional Happenings
83 minutes ago: The Dominion of Stagnia ceased to exist.
103 minutes ago: Stagnia arrived from The West Pacific.
2 hours ago: Ignots departed this region for The West Pacific
2 hours ago: Ignots removed regional password protection.
2 hours ago: Ignots updated the World Factbook entry.
3 hours ago: Ignots updated the World Factbook entry.
3 hours ago: Ignots updated the World Factbook entry.
4 hours ago: Ignots updated the World Factbook entry.
5 hours ago: Ignots updated the World Factbook entry.
6 hours ago: Ignots updated the World Factbook entry.


Lodged From Message
2 hours ago Ignots Delegate Clearing....
2 hours ago Ignots Delegate Clearing....
2 hours ago Ignots Delegate Clearing....
2 hours ago Ignots Delegate Clearing....
2 hours ago Ignots Delegate Clearing....
2 hours ago Ignots Delegate Clearing....
2 hours ago Ignots Delegate Clearing....
2 hours ago Ignots Delegate Clearing....
112 minutes ago The People's Republic of Anksterland What the heck happened here???
101 minutes ago Stagnia Anksterland, Basically. Your region was the target of a training mission for the World Raiders Network. I am the general of said network and, as you can see, your region is returned to you with the message board and the Recent happenings board cleared. We appologize for the confusion, but no harm was done.

Sincerely,
Thoughtful Loners/Inane Sayings,
General of the World Raiders Network Army


not sure bout the rest though..

The delegate clearing was to get rid of spamming from Region Crashers. And I actually had to keep adding things to the World Fact book. Just little things I kept remembering.

But even as I said. I only want TL and IS back.

He was apologizing to the region for what his army did on their RMB, I'm assuming, that is why the board was cleared, and he said in apology. Now I think that is wrong that he gets deleted just because of that.

it's still illegal, especially for invaders like yourself.

also, since your other nations got deleted as well, you probably broke the rules before..

Closest thing I did was have multi's when I was a defender in TITO. And I didn't even get called on that. I willingly stopped being a multi.

the only other option i can then think of, is that someone else plays from the same comp and broke some rules, or an extremely grumpy mod

This is my own personal PC. I'm the only one who uses it. I'm hoping it's just a grumpy Mod. Because I can't think of what I might have done to get all of them deleted. MAYBE ignots for spamming, but why the others?

For ther record, I am not the Moderator who dealt with this case.

The delegate clearing was to get rid of spamming from Region Crashers. And I actually had to keep adding things to the World Fact book. Just little things I kept remembering.
A Delegate may NOT clear a regional Civil Headquarters board OR the regional happenings. This is spam.

According to our records, you were warned on August 2 for using a puppet to post advertising spam. When you cleared the board, that was a second offense and that was what got your nations deleted.

Nations deleted for rulebreaking are not resurrected.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

According to our records, you were warned on August 2 for using a puppet to post advertising spam. When you cleared the board, that was a second offense and that was what got your nations deleted.
All of them?

On august 2nd, Thoughtful Loners was warned for "spamming" even though I was not spamming. I was going to known invader regions asking for help with an invasion. That is not considered spamming.

Ok, I'm sorry for what happened. All I ask is that I be given my two main regions Thoughtful Loners and Inane Sayings. All I want is to be able to continue playing NS with my two main nations. Thank you.

I was one of the nations involved in the last invasion that apparently provoked the deletion of said nations. But I don't see why all of the nations were deleted. If only one of them was a UN nation, then the others couldn't do damage like that again anyway, they wouldn't be able to be elected as a UN delegate, therefore they couldn't "spam" like that.

If you want to file an appeal, contact admin@nationstates.net, but don't hold your breath.

I was going to known invader regions asking for help with an invasion. That is not considered spamming.

Perhaps a more definate definition of the word SPAM should be put on the record. Calling a region for help, when help is needed sounds like a pretty long stretch, to be considered spamming.

it's still illegal, especially for invaders like yourself.

In other words, since we are invaders, we should be warned for even the most ridiculous form of "spam." And, not only that, but we must also be punished as severely as possible?

I don't know, but that is what I'm hearing.

Going from region to region with a copy/paste message is spam, whether its asking for help or not.

You should have asked the founder or delegate if you needed help with whatever invasion you were planning.

So what you're basically telling me is that the moderators on the great game of NationStates refuse to take into consideration the fact that the reason I "spammed" was to remove all damage that had been done by my army in order to return the region to peace. I'd also like to note that the trooper that had spammed on the RMB has been put on suspension and going back for re-training. My Army of the World Raiders Network takes etiquette during an invasion extremely important. We do take politeness and proper order into account when we review the army and the individual soldiers. Because of the insubordination of one of the troopers, we've all been thrown into this. At this point in time, I just want to appologize and get a moderator to tell me straight out what the chances are of getting my nations back. I've already appealed via the getting help page. Thank you.

At this point in time, I just want to appologize and get a moderator to tell me straight out what the chances are of getting my nations back.

You already have your answer, here:

Nations deleted for rulebreaking are not resurrected.

Dude, the longer you keep this up, the worse off you'll be. Let's say for a moment, that they -were- wrong to ban you. Do you know what kind of a precedent it sets to restore a nation that was banned for rule breaking? It undermines the entire system. Not to mention that they deleted you for a reason. Just file an email appeal if you care deeply, try to be polite, and dont expect any miracles.

On august 2nd, Thoughtful Loners was warned for "spamming" even though I was not spamming. I was going to known invader regions asking for help with an invasion. That is not considered spamming.
Since I didn't handle your case, I'm not familiar with the details.

That said, if you need help from some group in another region, you telegram the leader of that group. Going into the region and posting a message is advertising spam unless you get permission from the Founder or Delegate (if there is no Founder) in advance. You get permission by telegramming the Founder or Delegate.

So what you're basically telling me is that the moderators on the great game of NationStates refuse to take into consideration the fact that the reason I "spammed" was to remove all damage that had been done by my army in order to return the region to peace. I'd also like to note that the trooper that had spammed on the RMB has been put on suspension and going back for re-training. My Army of the World Raiders Network takes etiquette during an invasion extremely important. We do take politeness and proper order into account when we review the army and the individual soldiers. Because of the insubordination of one of the troopers, we've all been thrown into this. At this point in time, I just want to appologize and get a moderator to tell me straight out what the chances are of getting my nations back. I've already appealed via the getting help page. Thank you.
If someone in your group violated the rules, then you report them to us. By breaking the rules, they have consigned themselves to their own fate. We're glad that you emphasize to your troops the importance of following NationStates rules, but if they do break those rules, then this becomes our problem.

By clearing the board, you yourself violate the rules and you eliminate evidence of earlier transgressions. Thus, we can't verify your claims that you were clearing spam (and you shouldn't be clearing spam anyway since you're not the Founder).

We're also glad that you're willing to abide by the rules from now on, but for deterrence reasons, nations deleted for rulebreaking are not resurrected.

The Moderator who handled your case or one of the Admins would have to consider your appeal; I'm not familiar with the details, so I'd rather not make the call myself. However, based upon what I've read in this topic and what data is showing up in the Mod Center, my preliminary estimation is that your appeal is likely to be rejected.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

Crazy girl, you are always on the ball. good job! You always have alot of the answers to almost every problem. I have respect for you.

Cogitation, you are also probably one of the only mods I've ever liked. I am glad you arent quite as unwilling to understand the veiws of an invader. Thanks!

Sorry, Thoughtful Loners, too bad. I think it will be straightned out soon enough, Im just sorry you got deleted, u are a good man.

Also: Dude, the longer you keep this up, the worse off you'll be. Let's say for a moment, that they -were- wrong to ban you. Do you know what kind of a precedent it sets to restore a nation that was banned for rule breaking? It undermines the entire system. Not to mention that they deleted you for a reason. Just file an email appeal if you care deeply, try to be polite, and dont expect any miracles.

I am confused, are you saying that it is wrong to correct a mistake just because it would lead to the correction of other mistakes? I am unaware of how this makes any sense. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt that just being rude to not admit to your mistakes? I know people like that, and they are no fun to be around, or talk to, why would we want our mods like that? They are the ones we go to with our problems.

I know the mods take a strong anti-spam procedure, but isn't the deletion of all his nations a bit much? I know the spam rules, but the region didn't have a founder, Ignots/Thoughtful Loners just cleared the board. I realize what the mods are trying to do, but isn't this a bit harsh?

Well, I'd like to thank everyone who backed me up. I'd also like to thank those who gave their advice. To the Mods, please just do what you think if Fair and Just by the NationStates rules. I put this in your hands now. You guys are just doing your jobs, I understand that. But please just see what you can do about correcting mistakes. Everyone makes them, and it's ok. It doesn't undermine you guys in any way. I have a lot of respect for most of you. Could someone TG my new nation "Thoughtful Loner" and let me know who the Mod who handled my case was? Thanks. Thank you all once again.

i'd have to agree...
deleting so many of his nations for just this seems a bit too harsh..

Mods are assholes face it.

Mods are assholes face it.
Well that wasn't too bright...

Well that wasn't too bright...


Its true but I must say you and Slag(where did he go?) are the only ones I like.

Slag? Where? When?

I'm not familiar with the details, so I'd rather not make the call myself.

Yet you answer many pleads here. You just keep on saying the same thing over and over again. I know you want to be helpfull, but this just isn't right. I have already started two threads about a few problems of my own, and you politely posted in both of them, and in both you weren't the mod who handled the case, or you had no idea what to say. What is the moderator, who did do all of this doing? Is s/he simply ignoring the moderator's forum, off to the next deletion? Again ignoring the pleads for help, and simply keep on issueing warnings, semi-warnings and deletions? Are you assigned to take all the heat, while other mods run off to delete more nations?

I am confused, are you saying that it is wrong to correct a mistake just because it would lead to the correction of other mistakes? I am unaware of how this makes any sense. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt that just being rude to not admit to your mistakes? I know people like that, and they are no fun to be around, or talk to, why would we want our mods like that? They are the ones we go to with our problems.
Clarification: Nations deleted for rulebreaking are not resurrected unless it is determined that the deletion was committed in error.

Yet you answer many pleads here. You just keep on saying the same thing over and over again. I know you want to be helpfull, but this just isn't right. I have already started two threads about a few problems of my own, and you politely posted in both of them, and in both you weren't the mod who handled the case, or you had no idea what to say.
Sometimes, the case is clear-cut enough that I know what the Mod responsible is going to say and I would have made the same decision in his/her place. Thus, I can resolve the matter quickly without taking up too much of everyones time, especially if I know that there's no chance whatsoever of an appeal being granted.

Sometimes, the case isn't clear-cut enough, and the data that I have available doesn't allow me to make a final decision with certainty. This usually happens if the official notation was rather brief and left some "blanks" that I can't quite fill in on my own. So, I can only give a preliminary estimation and refer this back to the Mod who originally handled it. This case is an example; the Mod who handled this probably knows something I don't, something that might not have been noted in the records. However, while I'm giving a preliminary estimation, I can explain the rules to people and help people understand why we operate the way we do.

Sometimes, I think a mistake was made. I'm not allowed to override another Moderator without consulting him/her first, so looking into the matter has to wait until both the other Mod and I can get online at the same time. The same thing goes for policy decisions. I'm not an Admin; I can't unilaterally dictate policy. It takes several Mods consulting together or an Admin to dictate policy. Getting several Mods together at once can sometimes be difficult, and getting the attention of one Admin can also be difficult: we only have Max, [violet], and SalusaSecondus.

What is the moderator, who did do all of this doing? Is s/he simply ignoring the moderator's forum, off to the next deletion? Again ignoring the pleads for help, and simply keep on issueing warnings, semi-warnings and deletions? Are you assigned to take all the heat, while other mods run off to delete more nations?
/me laughs at "...assigned to take all the heat...."

Okay, seriously, many of the Mods are busy in real life and are sometimes not online for many, many hours at a time (sometimes not for a couple of days). Consequently, things get overlooked and forgotten. I'm online more frequently, but only because I'm usually near a computer most of the time, so it's easy for me to pop in for 10 minutes, look around, do some NationStates work, and then pop out again to do some real work. Now, I'm just a helpful little soul... :) ...one of the reasons I was picked for this job. So, I don't mind taking the heat if I can free up some time for the other Mods to handle more pressing matters.

Long story short: Sometimes I can answer your question or fix your problem; you don't need the mod who originally dealt with you and I can send you on your way (as opposed to leaving you hanging). Sometimes, I can't resolve the matter so easily and you do need the original Mod.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

If at all possible, I would like to vouch for Thoughtful Loner.

Although I was not present at the debated event, I do know Loner, and I can assuredly say that he is a kind and polite NS player who has never been anything less that courteous to those around him, either Invader or not.

If Loner says he did it to clear the insubordinate spam of an officer below him, then by God I believe him because he has demonstrated nothing less to me than true politeness, kindness, and truthfullness.

You may say that because I am a former Invader, I am forced to agree with him. Personally, thats not true. There are invaders that if they were deleted, I wouldn't think of sticking up for them.

Mostly everyone here has been kind and polite, but I think we should get to the basics of the issue at hand:

The wrong person is being persecuted. I do not believe that if you listen to Loner, and graciously accept his request that this system will come crumbling down.

Personally, Loner could have popped up in here, screaming in a cursing fury about why his nation was deleted. But he didn't. Instead he appeared here, calm and civil, and asked why his nation was deleted, and if he could have at least the two restored.

Why not just give him the two? Keep the others deleted as a message to him not to take the same course of action again. Heck, give him one of those two back to further the point. I just think that the harshness of this action was just that, a little harsh. Not that I'm criticizing the mods, I just think that even if he only got one back, we could all walk away happy. The system won't be crumbling and Loner gets at least one nation back and proves that the Mods aren't completely unagreeable.

I think that because of the way the situation has been handled, through his calm and composed words and course of action he should be allowed to have at least one of the two restored. Is it really so insane for him to admit that an honest mistake occurred and to have some of the punishment alleviated?

In conclusion I am not attacking the mods for their course of action, just asking them to take a look from another perspective while I'm trying to maintain an objective attitude.

So, uh, thanks for listening. :)