NationStates Jolt Archive

I got this message, and it is completely wrong:

NationStates Moderators
Received: 2 hours ago There have been complaints concerning your automated messages to people in the Pacifics. Please abstain from spamming--not a warning as of yet, merely a recommendation.

I started a thread, some while ago asking about what was allowed, and what not. I got no answer from the moderators, but a whole lot of speculation of other players that messaging all nations, everywhere in the game is allowed, while I specificly asked for a mod's word only. I asked them to stop speculating, and to wait for a mod answer. Noting came, but things ascalated until I had to switch "ignore" on some of them.
Since there is no ruling about recruitment messages, are you now trying to intimidate me to stop? My messages are not automated, and I even bother to type nation's titles and names. Please, if I am braking any rules, tell me what rules? I am doing the same as what all players do with a thriving region.
Please don't tell me that you have grown a bias against me, because I am constantly bringing up difficult issues? I am doing this all from the moment I started playing this game (14 months now), and suddenly my recruitment messages are spam?

Btw, everybody who asks me questions after receiving it, gets answers. I really work hard on this :mad:

Calm down.

We're kinda busy, and things can "fall through the cracks" and be forgotten. This is an example. If we forget to get back to you on something, then post a reminder every week.

I'm now reminded that this issue needs to be discussed, but I don't want to make a unilateral ruling on this matter. So, it's still going to take some time to clear this up. I'll poke the other Mods with a stick or something, but I really can't make any promises.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

That will probably be from Nation's Heaven, since I can't stop what I'm not doing. I have been here before, and this is not making me happy. I already know where this ends, but I give it the benefit of the doubt.

This is quite disturbing.

I am most assuredly the biggest "spammer" of The Pacifics, and I've never received a telegram of this such, even though I can count how many people have reported me for it.

I don't understand how the moderators could've missed that Carinthe brought up a thread on this very issue, and then, was issued a statement representing the Moderation Collective. The thread has been a highly debatable question amongst NSers who engage in recruiting and those who don't agree with it; I don't see how it could've "fallen through the cracks," as Cog says.

I don't care, and I think at this point Carinthe doesn't either, if one mod makes the judgment for this policy at this point. If it's between that or being warned for "spamming" when no rule is set down, then, perhaps, it's better if one moderator just stands up and does it for the benefit of all.

Yes, you are not longer ignored ;)

Imagine that one of your enemies gets a bright idea. Knowing that automated messages is a deletable offence. Since he can't invade, with the delegate being active and all, he must find a way to get rid of that player. He creates 10 puppets, and voila, he has at least 5 recruitment messages of the same person. Files a complaint that he created puppets, and all of them get a recruitment message, and scripts are suspected. Mods know that that isn't proof, but decide to send some friendly advice. No harm done, you think, but the delegate gets heavily emotional and upset, and the seed for a future deletion is planted. More complaints will follow (I still remember how delegates of the Pacifics wanted me to be deleted, because I was able to post 1 strategical message in the civil HQ, that would stay there almost all day), and the mods begin to watch that person more and more. Eventually the slightest mistake, and poof :sniper:

Yes, I do remember reading of these incidents, Carinthe.

However, if the mods suspect that someone purposely is doing this, it will come out and you will be reinstated.

I've telegrammed numerous puppets. I do believe its per nation, not per player, that spam comes into play.

YAY! No longer ignored!

I recall that very discussion some time ago. It was absolutely one message per nation, not per player. In all fairness, how in the world can a recruiter know that puppets belong to one player? Without being a mod, I don't think it is possible nor should it even be a point!

If nations are going to reside in the feeders, they have to accept the fact that they are prime targets for recruiters. If they don't like that, they can use the ignore function or find someplace where they will be safe from the wrath of the recruiters. So many new players never even know that there are other regions, thus I have always thought that the more organized and thoughtful recruiters are more a blessing to the game than a curse. Now, as for those rogue recruiters.... :sniper:

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I am doing the same as what all players do with a thriving region.

Never once recruited for Europe ;)

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Right. I see it. I haven't forgotten.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Never once recruited for Europe ;)

Europe doesn't need me. It needs you :p

In defence of Carinthe (now that's something you don't hear from me very often;)) I have two nations and they've never recieved more then a single recruitment telegram each from her- including this one which resides in a feeder region.

Can I suggest that if the matter is currently being looked at it might be a good idea to place a halt on sending "suggestions" out until it's resolved.

Europe doesn't need me. It needs you :p

What makes you think Europe would want you anyway? ;)

What makes you think Europe would want you anyway? ;)

I forgot. I think I don't even have a puppet in Europe. I scroll through my puppets very fast, and I only check if they are in the RR, or not. If I was recruiter for Europe, it would have been over 1000 now, and I don't need "automated messages" for that. I am not even sure what "automated messages" are. Are they scripts, or are they just messages you send because you are playing the game, and recruiting is such a fun thing to do?

Means using a script to send them out... you were probably suspected of it because few recruiters usually take the time to put in the nation' pretitle and name, and because you sent them out to newly founded nations so quickly. :)

Means using a script to send them out... you were probably suspected of it because few recruiters usually take the time to put in the nation' pretitle and name, and because you sent them out to newly founded nations so quickly. :)

Typing a pretitle is silly. They are newly created nations, and they might still be busy setting that stuff (I am fast ;)) Your puppet got my message too. It starts with Dear leader of Noobcountry (The name ;)). And when they need to know more, I assume they already have chosen a suitable pre, so from that moment I name them with their complete tittle. I help people, who ask friendly, with lots of things. At this moment recruiting isn't much work. The business is slow, because of vacation. An average of 1 round each hour is more than enough.

I think this thread may be locked now. I think the message was just a concerned mod, who had no time to check on her/his recources. I promise to stop sending messages to nations with obvious "No0B" names, so Myrth's newly created puppets are safe now :p

I think this thread may be locked now. I think the message was just a concerned mod, who had no time to check on her/his recources. I promise to stop sending messages to nations with obvious "No0B" names, so Myrth's newly created puppets are safe now :p
Very well.

Oh, and given that you've calmed down: Would you be so kind as to remove that last link from your signature? Before I lock this topic, that is? :p

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

It's gone. Sometimes a person just have to write it out of her/his system :)

Thanks.

Good. :)

iLock.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation