NationStates Jolt Archive

Irritated Socialist was deleted a few hours ago. here are the events that happened.

1. Irritated Socialist belonged to "the rockies" and he posted a message on his board saying "check out this gay Egalitarianism region. it has
invade me written all over it =D" (notice the smile face on the end... also this was posted on THE ROCKIES message board... NOT the Egalitarianism page)
2. TWO nations from Egalitarianism joined the rockies and flamed the board telling Irritated socialist and other rockies members that they were going to "halt you in your tracks and grind you into the ground." and making other offensive and flame type posts to irritated socialist and other members of the rockies.
3. Irritated soclialist then replied with :

"haha... Ellandar, I dont have any say in this region. I am not even a UN nation so have no "raider" abilities. I highly doubt that the rockies would have raided your small region by my one comment. Although now with your comments aimed at the rockies, which should have been aimed at me, I wouldn't be surprised if they took it over. Anyways, to get to the point. I take back nothing i said... Your region is gay. One of the gayest names I have ever heard for a region. Your factbook info is gay. The messages on your main page are gay. The nations of your region are gay. I think I would be hard pressed to find a region in all of nationstates that is more gay then yours."

4. His account was deleted.

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Checking the RULES, the closest thing to a violation is :

Flame: Expressing anger at someone in uncouth ways with OOC comments (i.e. swearing, being obnoxious, threatening etc.)though it does to watch what you post IC as well unless the other posters know you're not serious. Flaming in the forums should be reported in the Moderation forum, in the game itself, through Getting Help Page.

Flamebait: Posts that are made with the aim of angering someone indirectly. Not outright flame, but still liable to bring angry replies. It's in the same context of trolling but with flamebaiting it's just the one person.

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But Irritated socialist was NOT flaming Egalitarianism. They were NOT even a part of the rockies when the posts were made. Then 2 of their members come over and FLAME the rockies and Irritated socialist and he gets deleted?????? That is NOT right.

And if this is a valid reason to get ejected then Ellandar should be ejected for the EXACT same reasons. So please recreate Irritated socialist or Eject Ellandar

Thank you

i stand by ha 100%. these 2 nations came in insulted us directly yet is was deleted. somehting must be done.

This is what I found on both your region's headquarters:

1 day ago Irritated socialist Just incase you missed my responce on the rockies message board; i repeat:

Anyways, to get to the point. I take back nothing i said... Your region is gay. One of the gayest names I have ever heard for a region. Your factbook info is gay. The messages on your main page are gay. The nations of your region are gay. I think I would be hard pressed to find a region in all of nationstates that is more gay then yours. and yes, you are more gay then:

www.nationstates.net/region=gay

1 day ago Irritated socialist I apologize that you took the blame for my comment(s). But seriously when a region/nation is that gay, something needs to be said about it.

He was obviously tired of this game, and wanted to be deleted.

He was not tired of the game, otherwise he would have just stopped logging in and his account would be automatically deleted... He was flamed by Ellandar first. Ellandar had no reason to log into HIS region (FIRST) and attack him. Personal attacks about causing him physical harm. That is against the rules, is it not????????

Irritated socialist Should NOT have been deleted. Please reactivate his account.

Irritated socialist did not make remarks about causing people harm like Ellandar. He didnt even go to their region until Ellandar and buddies came to his and made personal attacks against him.

To delete Irritated Socialist and Not ellandar is not just.

Whether you meant to direct your flame at specific people or whether someone else flamed you first, it doesn't matter. Flaming is a deletable offense and it looks like the mods had enough evidence to delete that nation.

Carinthe made her statement based on the fact that many nations who tire of the game often "go out in flames," and it looked like that nation was doing the same.

I'd say the deletion looks pretty justifable, as it doesn't matter who did what first, the posts shown above sound like things you'd hear on a grade school playground.

Personally I think we should delete Ellandar.

Anyone from Equilism should know what he did there. He knows the rules: he just refuses to follow them.

DELETE ELLANDAR!

id bet that the people that "go out in flames" were upset at the game mods for an unjust ejection and quit. I know many people who have quit because of the UN and/or game mods. Not a lot of fun to play when it is over-the-top regulated. (ie… deleting UN proposals for example. Why not let a proposal through if the people give it enough votes?)

- Carinthe made her statement based on the fact that many nations who tire of - the game often "go out in flames," and it looked like that nation was doing the - same.

And My point was if Irritated socialist deserved to be deleted, Ellandar needs to be deleted on the same grounds. In fact they are still spamming the region and sending personal individual attacks

id bet that the people that "go out in flames" were upset at the game mods for an unjust ejection and quit. I know many people who have quit because of the UN and/or game mods. Not a lot of fun to play when it is over-the-top regulated. (ie… deleting UN proposals for example. Why not let a proposal through if the people give it enough votes?)

- Carinthe made her statement based on the fact that many nations who tire of - the game often "go out in flames," and it looked like that nation was doing the - same.

And My point was if Irritated socialist deserved to be deleted, Ellandar needs to be deleted on the same grounds. In fact they are still spamming the region and sending personal individual attacks
That AND the fact that he has previously been ejected from the UN for multi UN nations.

id bet that the people that "go out in flames" were upset at the game mods for an unjust ejection and quit. I know many people who have quit because of the UN and/or game mods. Not a lot of fun to play when it is over-the-top regulated. (ie… deleting UN proposals for example. Why not let a proposal through if the people give it enough votes?)


Because most of those proposals change game mechanics.

Let's get real here, Cog (one of the mods) has put up a case study of deleted proposals and explained why he would delete them. Do players read the stickied threads? Doubtful.

Proposals that repeal previous resolutions or that attempt to disban the UN are pointless. If you don't like the UN, don't join it to request it be disbanned.

As for repeals, I really would hate for this game to be the "Legal Prostitution States". This week: The repeal of the repeal of the repeal of the repeal of the repeal on the legalization of prostitution.

I look through the proposals once a week. All of them. When I see proposals that attempt to ban the UN or represent an obvious repeal (the authors are dumb enough to write this on the proposals), I telegram the mods.

I don't mind joke proposals, but they should be in good taste. While that is subjective, I've seen very few funny proposals. The "Arm Bears" proposal comes up in a different form nearly as much as a "Save all trees" proposal ... Arming Bears was funny ... back in 1989. It got old in 1990. It was pretty lame in 1992. It was just sad in 1994. But in 2004 it really shows that whomever thinks this is funny is a newbie to "UN simulation games". And it wouldn't be nearly as annoying if the damn thing didn't pop up with such regularity.

That and the ban on monohydrodioxide resolution ... actually I've yet to see that one here, but I'm sure the mods have just had fast delete keys. It is a pox as much as arming bears.

I was just using that as an example, so dont really want to get into that here.... The point of this thread is to get the mods to delete elandar for the same reasons that they deleted Irritated socalist since Ellandar was more at fault then IS. And if Ellandar isnt to be delted then IS should be reactiviated soon....

He was not tired of the game, otherwise he would have just stopped logging in and his account would be automatically deleted... He was flamed by Ellandar first. Ellandar had no reason to log into HIS region (FIRST) and attack him. Personal attacks about causing him physical harm. That is against the rules, is it not????????


Sure it is against the rules. You agree that he was flaming, so you also should agree thar he should have been deleted. Those are the rules in this game. You may fight the system, but flaming is not something you should defend. It is the risk you take when you flame somebody. Mod actions can be very arbitrary, so every player may better be careful. That's NationStates in a nutshell for you.

Lessee... first he was a UN multi. Then he started flaming and got banned.

Ellandar, being an obnoxious, boastful twit, apparently has done the same thing and is getting deleted on the same grounds.

That's the long and short of it. Next question?

DELETE ELLANDAR!I'm a relative NooB but I suspect that SHOUTING AT THE MODS isn't the most effective of tactics.

Mod actions can be very arbitrary, so every player may better be careful. That's NationStates in a nutshell for you.Hmm, I'm starting to see a recurring pattern here. Carinthe, if you feel hard done by a mod's actions maybe you should start a thread about it. IMNSHO, this is getting a wee bit close to thread-jacking.

*shrugs* She does that from time to time. We've kinda learned to not worry too much about it.

My Greetings to All and Sundry,

For the Player of Ellandar this is a slap on the wrist, one that results in him losing many of his favourite puppets, especially those massing in the region: Egalitarianism. Once more this Player has been nailed by the UN for cheating. Having had numerous puppets punished by the UN in the past for cheating, Ellandar was hoping that his dynamic IP address (the result of a dial-up connection) would keep him below the radar of the Powers that Be. He was of course mistaken.

It didn’t help his cause much that he was recently involved in a campaign of griefing, sending his puppets to spam the board of the Rockies. Still, it should be recognized that this Player has the majority of his puppets horde still at large and will likely yet be a minor irritant in the Nation States World with his remaining nations. Some of these puppets are already trying to plead their innocence to whoever will listen, spreading his usual lies on the boards in Wysteria, Equilism, Scroll Islands, and the Rockies (the very regions he has done the most to annoy in the past few months). This was a series of deletions that this player had coming for a long time.

Grande Elector Bruce

The Green and Pleasant Dominion of The Bruce

A nation called Balthamos said this on the Equilism regional HQ:

Dear Equilism

Neo England is correct my nation Ellandar has been deleted but I still exist in other nations.

I am planning an appeal because I am certain that the moderators are wrong this time.

Thank-you - Ellandar

Ellandar has lots of puppets still, and is plaguing various region boards with them. Our region, The league of Extrordianry Nations has been having problems with elandar, and his friend Ellandriel for months. They go by a number of names...

Ellandar
Asteven-puppet of ellandar
Ellandriel
Ellandar Corporation-ally of ellandriel
Radnalle-puppet of ellandriel
Ganumf-ally of ellandriel
Lil Ish Bish- puppet of ellandriel
Bodhissathan- puppet of ellandar
IckyIckyIckywopanar_puppet of ellandriel
Balthamos- ellandar
Diddlypop and Astrevent belong to one of them.

These are the ones I am sure about, further incidents are recorded on our forum: http://s6.invisionfree.com/Ellandar/index.php?act=SF&f=20&st=

That is a special section dedicated to issues with them. We had to form the LEN in the first place to get away from them, and both of them have had to be asked, in words of one syllable, several times to leave us alone. I believe Wysteria also had issues with them.

I think that Ellandar and Ellandriel may be the same person.

no she is a girl called olivia, and he is a boy, i think