NationStates Jolt Archive

Umm, moderators, I was expelled from the UN for "cheating." I didn't really know that having a puppet UN nation was bad (since I never voted with it), but I'm sorry, and I appealed to you in the help page, but I reapplied for membership. Is that OK?

IIRC, the mods will not reinstate nations ejected from the UN due to multiing. However, I do believe you are welcome to create another nation and enter it, so long as it is your only UN nation.

Aww, come on, I love my nation name just how it is, and I know I can't restart with the same nation name. Isn't there ANY way I can become a UN member with only Imperial Italia? What if I stop playing with my other nation? Haven't people ever heard of second chances?

And besides, what's the difference if I create a new nation? What kind of changes does it make? I want to keep the name Imperial Italia, I DON'T want to change the name, is there NOTHING I can do?

what exactally did you do wrong

if you just have a second nation in the U N resign it as a member

if you have two nations and you want one to have tyhe same name as the other one then leave the nation till it deletes itself

then rename the nation

And besides, what's the difference if I create a new nation? What kind of changes does it make? I want to keep the name Imperial Italia, I DON'T want to change the name, is there NOTHING I can do?

There is nothing you can do.

Nations ejected for rule violations are not readmitted to the UN under any circumstances unless the ejection was committed in error (which is not the case, here). This policy is in place for deterrence reasons; cheaters are more likely to break the rules if they know that the punishment isn't permanent.

The UN bans remain.


what exactally did you do wrong

if you just have a second nation in the U N resign it as a member

if you have two nations and you want one to have tyhe same name as the other one then leave the nation till it deletes itself

then rename the nation

He had two nations in the UN and he was caught. Both nations were forcibly ejected from the UN and barred from reentering. It's too late for him to voluntarily remove one from the UN.

A national name is a unique identifier. Because we Moderators have to be able to resurrect nations that died of inactivity, national names may never be reused.


--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

Can you at least delete my nation and allow me to reapply under the same name? Have mercy on that at least!

And also, next time you should make it easier to read. Come on, who really reads the FAQ? You should block the option to make more than one UN member state from the same IP address, it's called common sense. I'm sorry to be persistent, but it's the truth.

And also, next time you should make it easier to read. Come on, who really reads the FAQ? You should block the option to make more than one UN member state from the same IP address, it's called common sense. I'm sorry to be persistent, but it's the truth.

No it is not the truth. Firstly, if you don't read the FAQ, then you are ignorant of the rules. Ignorance of the rules is no excuse. Secondly, blocking multiple UN nations from one IP address would mean thousands of AOL and LAN users would be deprived of a UN nation.

However, there are probably thousands of people who DO have more than one UN member nation that you guys aren't expelling.... And what difference does it make that if I start over with a new nation? Will it make me less capable of creating multiple UN identites. All I want is for my country of Imperial Italia to be a UN member again, and nothing more. If you need to punish me, do it, I don't what you do, as long as I get to keep Imperial Italia and her UN membership. I like the name, and I really do not want to start over with a new name. Can't you at least allow me to start over with the same name again? :confused:

However, there are probably thousands of people who DO have more than one UN member nation that you guys aren't expelling....

We expel them as we find them. If we haven't expelled certain UN multies, yet, then it's because we don't know about them, yet. Once we find them, we expel them.

And what difference does it make that if I start over with a new nation? Will it make me less capable of creating multiple UN identites.

Those who break the rules after numerous offenses are permanently banned from NationStates. On rare occassion, extremely bad rulebreakers have even been reported to their ISPs. UN ejection for nations caught multying is merely one of the penalties that can be imposed; it is intended to get the point across that rulebreaking behavior is not tolerated. If a particular player chooses not to heed the consequences and continues breaking the rules, then more severe punishments are applied.

All I want is for my country of Imperial Italia to be a UN member again, and nothing more. If you need to punish me, do it, I don't what you do, as long as I get to keep Imperial Italia and her UN membership. I like the name, and I really do not want to start over with a new name. Can't you at least allow me to start over with the same name again? :confused:

I say again: No. This is for deterrence reasons. Players will be less likely to break the rules if they know that punishments are permanent. Thus, the policy must be strictly enforced. It's draconian, but it's necessary.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."

No. As Cog has clearly stated, your nation will never be able to rejoin the UN. That is final.

I say again: No. This is for deterrence reasons. Players will be less likely to break the rules if they know that punishments are permanent. Thus, the policy must be strictly enforced. It's draconian, but it's necessary.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."

OK, you're not going to accept my nation as a UN member right now. But how about you change its name, so I can start of with a new Imperial Italia? Is that bad too?

Like I have just stated, I've accepted that fact. But I also requested if it is possible to change my name so I could start a new nation with the same name....

OK, you're not going to accept my nation as a UN member right now. But how about you change its name, so I can start of with a new Imperial Italia? Is that bad too?

For technical reasons, we cannot change a national name. It's a complicated process that requires Administrator intervention and is prone to causing the server to crash (if something goes wrong).

"Imperial Italia" will not reenter the UN. Ever.

Your final appeal is to E-mail admin@nationstates.net
If you do not get a reply, then you may assume that your appeal has been denied.

This discussion is closed. iLock.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

Posting through a lock is bad form, but I wanted to further address this.

However, there are probably thousands of people who DO have more than one UN member nation that you guys aren't expelling....

As Cog mentioned, we hit them as we find them. If anyone's wondering about just how many we get, here's a copy from the Mod Stats Page listing UN Ejections, names removed to maintain some suspence for the next Mod Olympics:

--- UN Ejections ---
292 :xxx
238 :xxx
134 :xxx
76 :xxx
41 :xxx
14 :xxx
10 :xxx
10 :xxx
4 :xxx
3 :xxx
2 :xxx
1 :xxx
---------
Total: 825

And that's for the last... oh, two months or so.

For technical reasons, we cannot change a national name. It's a complicated process that requires Administrator intervention and is prone to causing the server to crash (if something goes wrong).

"Imperial Italia" will not reenter the UN. Ever.

Your final appeal is to E-mail admin@nationstates.net
If you do not get a reply, then you may assume that your appeal has been denied.

This discussion is closed. iLock.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator


Appeal denied.