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My primary nation "Kaiser Wilhelm II" has been recently deleted for "UN rule violations" though upon enquiry the Mods have said I was deleted for "griefing." I am familiar with the NS rules and have scrupulously followed them -- I have not had UN multis nor have I ever griefed.

I would like to know precisely why I was deleted, and I would like to appeal the deletion, since I think a mistake has been made. I am employed at the Oak View Public Library where I sometimes log in to NS to check up on things on the public access computers -- I am worried perhaps someone else used the library computer that I had used and has also been deleted as a "multi." However, I haven't logged on at the library since Wednesday I think, usually I log on at home with my own PC which only I use myself.

If there is anything that can be done, I would appreciate any help. I am very, very active in this game and I am distraught to have been deleted.

Thank you,

B. Gibbons
formerly Kaiser Wilhelm II

The nation of "Kaiser Wilhelm II" was wrongfully deleted 4 hours ago precisely.
He has informed me that he uses the public library network occasionally, and I recently realized that the same network is used throughout his state in the USA. Since many people use those public computers, they may be using NationStates as well, and they may be using it to apply to the UN. The admin should put up a warning in the rules section of NationStates, stating that it is not recommended to use the library internet network to join the UN.

I wish to announce my support of the nation of "Kaiser Wilhelm II"

On a similar matter, my nation was kicked from the UN a year ago for the same exact reason. My nation is "Luchia".

The delegate of my region "The German Empire" has been deleted for no apparent reason. Is it possible to tell me why he has suddenly dissapeared? I know that the nation of "Kaiser Wilhelm II" did nothing wrong. He did not even participate in any region crashing. Second, he has screenshots of every move that we did against the USSR. I know that a nation called "RedCommunist" may have wrongly reported "Kaiser Wilhelm II." I wish that anyone could look this matter over, so that NationStates can be made a FAIR game. Second a nation called "Vires" was also deleted. He has done absolutely nothing wrong. All he did was take back the region of "Imperial Germany" from RedCommunist fairely. I witnessed it myself. No rules were ever broken. Now, once again, I ask that this matter be looked over as soon as possible. I greatly appreciate it. This whole matter was a frame, created by RedCommunist. I hope that he will be the one to be deleted, considering the fact that he wrongly reported "Stahl" "Vires" and "Kaiser Wilhelm II."

NationStates must do something to repair this issue. I am not very happy with the recent events.
If I can do anything to aid, please ask me to do so. "Kaiser Wilhelm II" our delegate, has never done anything wrong, and he even told us all that we should never break aby rules to do with NationStates. No spamming or any infracture was ever commited.

I hope this may be looked over soon.

Thank you,
T. Peters
Currently Luchia.

On second note, the nations of Kaiser wilhelm II, Vires, and Stahl were all deleted for griefing. How is this possible if Kaiser Wilhelm never even left his own region? He never griefed any region at all. The nation of RedCommunist had griefed the region of Imperial Germany though, when he had taken it from Kaiser Wilhelm II, and me.

Kaiser Wilhelm II, never griefed, and I witnessed it.

Luchia

I don't think its mod policy to repeal bans/deletions due to UN rule violations. The trouble is there is no way to tell if you are telling the truth or not. It is highly unlikely that a mod will unban/revive your nation.

We have figured out that it probably was for griefing, but he never left his own region in the attack against the region of USSR, so how could he have griefed. He never even kicked any nations from his own region.

I support you and hope you get your nation back.


P.S. Screw the U.S.S.R.

I remember talking about this before, but since I have no idea how to look at other pages, I can't find it anymor. I have just one question: Does this ring a bell:
88 minutes ago: The Kingdom of Krupp Stahl arrived from The German Empire.
4 hours ago: The Queendom of World News Tonight II ceased to exist.
9 hours ago: Stahl departed this region for The German Empire
21 hours ago: Stahl arrived from Greater Germany.
2 days ago: Vires changed the regional password.
2 days ago: Vires barred UN Delegate access to Regional Control.
4 days ago: Vires barred UN Delegate access to Regional Control.
4 days ago: Vires barred UN Delegate access to Regional Control.
4 days ago: Vires updated the World Factbook entry.
6 days ago: Vires departed this region for Greater Germany

I don't see anything involving Kaiser Wilhelm II there. I can't vouch for what other people do, i.e. griefing Imperial Germany, etc. All I know is that I woke up this morning and my nation, Kaiser Wilhelm II, was deleted for "griefing" when I had done absolutely no such thing.

I am prepared to do whatever it takes to restore my name. I am completely innocent and as such I look forward to this being settled properly.

I reported The Bundersrepublik for spamming and multis. As well I reported that IG was greifed, not named no names. As well I reported several low nations for spamming the USSR forums. The mods looked into this and their results are what we see. I am at no fault for reporting what I know to be the truth.

Bundes did not spam either. He did not even say a word in the USSR.
RedCommunist, you are a lying once again. We have proof.

Wilhem II was deleted for UN rule violations; he says so himself.

The mods won't unban him. Create a new nation, join the UN, and never go on a computer that has even the remotest chance that someone else would go on as a UN member on NS.

That's just the way it is around here.

Thank you for your assistance. Rules are rules I suppose.

We now believe it had to do with Griefing claims. The Nation of RedCommunst falsely accused Kaiser Wilhelm II for griefing. How is that possible if he never left his region?

We're not certain it was RedCommunist. It may well have also been a Nazi nation named Project 51. No matter who reported it, it's evident that a mistake was made and I'm going to do all I can to try and restore my name. There may not be much I can do, but I'm certain of my complete innocence and I'm going to try anyways.

We now believe it had to do with Griefing claims. The Nation of RedCommunst falsely accused Kaiser Wilhelm II for griefing. How is that possible if he never left his region?

The mods are getting tired of people who use puppets to brake rules, so very often they take another nation away, together with the offending puppet. Many players gladly sacrifice a puppet, so thay can win a war. That is not longer working. I don't know if that happened in your case, though. Personally I think that you should know it it. After all, you know what your puppets are doing, right?

I've never even broken any rules with my puppets. I usually just keep them in various regions to keep the regions from disappearing, i.e. Deutsches Kaiserreich, Das Deutsches Reich, etc. Unless that is a violation of the NS rules, which I'm pretty sure it isn't, I'm totally at a loss.

Well isn't this just peachy, some one makes a mistake and there your two nations go poof! My two nations Stahl and Vires have been deleted for griefing and UN rule violations. I'm not even living on the AMERICAN mainland what to say North America. I'm nowhere near the computers that the Kaiser is using and now you confuse us? Secondly how can it be griefing after one nation obtains the regions founders password and then sets about to demolish the region? My nation Stahl and a few allies invaded and we succesfully kicked the imposter out, who accidentaly told me he didn't care about the handfull of dead nations still left. Then I moved my rogue nation into IG and password protected it, where's the griefing in winning back an essential dead region?

Thirdly why wheren't we consulted when the mods did their so called investigation. Its appaling! You can't just scamper behind some one's back, then with a pack of half truths delete both their nations! I worked hard at maintaining them and I have been a very active member of NS, why do you treat the loyal fans of the game like that? Never bothered even to ask me what was going on before you deleted me! Its damn childish, inept and appaling!

I demand that you appologise for your behaviour and reinstate my two nations, you can't just say well its the way it is around here!!!!!

Stahl/Vires

Ps. If some one can please show what kind of UN regelations I have broken as well as what region I griefed, hell me and the Kaiser don't even live on the same continent!

1) Making "demands" of people from whom you need rarely starts anything off well.

2) The policy, except in very limited circumstances, has been that once booted from the UN, nations are not reinstated.

3) Mods have repeatedly warned people, in moderation threads, never to log in their UN nation from other than their home computer precisely because they cannot view who is on the other side of the computer.

4) Accusing each other of being snitches is pretty childish, especially since until a moderator contacts you or posts here no one knows for sure what is going on.

Its normally fairly extreme circumstances that leads to someone getting deleted for UN multis, rather than having them ejected from the UN, isn't it? So I'm guessing there must be some greater infraction.

Kaiser Wilhem II has always shown himself to be an hounourable player so far as I'm concerned. I hope and pray that if there has been a mistake, it will be swiftly rectified.

I have known the Kaiser for some time now and can only witness to his character. He has always been an honorable character. I have never seen any actions that would have resulted in this type of judgment. I hope that the Mod who deat'd him has all the ducks in a row and all of the facts straight.

The Kaiser never only has one puppet, and it is the founder of our region. He never left the region, let only greifed. And we didn't grief ther USSR. It was a proper military operation, and under the current NS laws at the time, we didn't greif.

Its normally fairly extreme circumstances that leads to someone getting deleted for UN multis, rather than having them ejected from the UN, isn't it? So I'm guessing there must be some greater infraction.

Kaiser Wilhem II has always shown himself to be an hounourable player so far as I'm concerned. I hope and pray that if there has been a mistake, it will be swiftly rectified.

Here, Here!
Kaiser Wilhelm II has been an active and professional player of NS. He is a Glorious Leader and I am sure the German Empire will forever see this deletion as unjust and a sign of the corruption of a minority of the Moderators, which are giving the rest a bad name.

Until the Moderators present solid evidence against Kaiser Wilhelm II I will not be conviced that he has been given a fair trial.

Until the Moderators present solid evidence against Kaiser Wilhelm II I will not be conviced that he has been given a fair trial.

A fair trial? solid evidence? :headbang:

First: this is just a game.
Second: if there has been a mistake, it will be rectified.

My nation Stahl and a few allies invaded and we succesfully kicked the imposter out, who accidentaly told me he didn't care about the handfull of dead nations still left. Then I moved my rogue nation into IG and password protected it, where's the griefing in winning back an essential dead region?

That sounds like something which could be considered a griefing:
- invasion followed by banning a native: did you remove the kicked nation from the banlist?
- invasion followed by passwording the region: did you distribute the password to all natives?

If the answer to either or both of those questions is 'no', it's a griefing. At that point the severity of the punishment depends on severity of the rule violation and context.

Ballotonia

That sounds like something which could be considered a griefing:
- invasion followed by banning a native: did you remove the kicked nation from the banlist?
- invasion followed by passwording the region: did you distribute the password to all natives?

If the answer to either or both of those questions is 'no', it's a griefing. At that point the severity of the punishment depends on severity of the rule violation and context.

Ballotonia

Have you considered that those rules are not set in concrete? Those are PROPOSED rules. Second, we never would have dared to grief, considering that we understand the rules, and we aren't foolish idiots running around annoying people. We are a loyal and honest region, who don't wish to bother anyone. We only invaded the USSR for 20 minutes, and we didn't even spam or offend anyone. We did not break any rules. We even have screenshots of every move we did in the USSR. That is our solid proof.

Now, I wish to have a moderator stop by and clarify these events. Kaiser Wilhelm II did nothing wrong, none of The German Empire's inhabitants did.
We are the largest promoter of anti-nazi German peoples, and we have been stopped because of the deletion of our leader. The moderators must repair this error they have performed.

While certain points have been made about the deletion of Stahl/Vires, I fail to see where this is tied in with the Kw. II nation.

After being ejected from the region of Imperial Germany by its founder(which was controlled by RedCommunist of the USSR), Kw. II established another region, The German Empire, and established himself as UN delegate there.

Since the day the update happened and he became delegate, he did not leave the region for any reason. He had nothing to do with the supposed "griefing" of Imperial Germany, in fact no nations in the German Empire were aware much less participating in that action.
In addition, during the invasion of the USSR where RedCommunist claims there was greifing and spamming, under no circumstance was the Kaiser involved other than sanctioning the operation on an independent website.
If that is the issue his account was deleted, then it is wrong, because it should be the invaders i.e. myself who should be held accountable, if indeed anything wrong was perpretrated.

From what I understand, Kw. II was deleted for greifing. I also understand except under special circumstances, mod decisions are not reversed.
What I do NOT understand, and find abominable, is that the moderators are flat out refusing to post publicly what crimes the nation committed and what particular issue his nation was deleted for.
If you are not going to consider reversing the decision, at least come out and tell us
A) What he was deleted for, griefing or UN violations
B) If he was deleted for griefing, exactly when are you saying this alleged griefing happened, and how you concluded he was part of this.

While we may not get a redressal, we at the very least, deserve an explanation. A detailed explanation.

I do not understand why NS players have allowed for so long this deletion process to be a completely unreviewed and censored process.
It should be an open public judicial process with specifics mentioned, justifying the moderators decisions, whether it is right or wrong.

I do not understand why NS players have allowed for so long this deletion process to be a completely unreviewed and censored process.
It should be an open public judicial process with specifics mentioned, justifying the moderators decisions, whether it is right or wrong.

[violet] and the moderators have made this abundantly clear numerous times:

1)This is NOT a democracy, it is Max's site.

2)The Moderators keep it running using the rules/policies Max has given them/they have evolved through the development of the site with admin approval.

3)There is not going to be a "popularity contest" method of determining right and wrong. The judicial review IS the moderation team -- they have been appointed by Max and [violet].

4)If you truly feel that you've been wronged, you can go over the mods' collective heads by e-mailing at admin@nationstates.net. The answer is usually a few days coming (unless they are more backed up than I remember) but usually succinct and polite.

I'd still appreciate a response from a Moderator. None of my enquiries have been answered, either here on the forum or through the Getting Help section. I truly want to know why the nation Kaiser Wilhelm II was deleted -- was it for UN violations or for griefing? I am certain I have not broken UN rules nor griefed, but I'd just like to know why I was deleted anyways.

Just tell me WHY, and I'll shut up. I just want a Moderator to give me a distinct final answer either way, so I can quit clinging to this naive little hope of getting my nation back.

Thanks very much,

Kw.II

The official notation says that you griefed the region "Imperial Germany". As I'm not the Moderator who handled your case, I'm not familiar with the details.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Allow me to set the record straight on a few things:

Making "demands" of people from whom you need rarely starts anything off well.
Yeah well sorry, I was angry, it's not nice having your only two nations deleted when you didn't do anything wrong. If you read further you will understand.

That sounds like something which could be considered a griefing:
- invasion followed by banning a native: did you remove the kicked nation from the banlist?
- invasion followed by passwording the region: did you distribute the password to all natives?
If the answer to either or both of those questions is 'no', it's a griefing. At that point the severity of the punishment depends on severity of the rule violation and context.

First of all, The region Imperial Germany had a founder called Hellsing2. He gave the password of the nation Hellsing2, to the mortal enemy of Imperial Germany, a nation called RedCommunist. This nation intended to use the newly aquired Founder nation to wreak havoc in Imperial Germany, in so doing kicking the Kaisers ass, as he later so eloquently put it in the WFE. The nations of Imperial Germany got wind of this. Knowing they are powerless with the Founder nation in the hands of RedCommunist, most of them fled to a new region called The German Empire, me and a few friends also went to a new region called Greater Germany.

The Kaiser remained in Imperial Germany for a while till Redcommunist kicked and banned his native ass to the Rejected Realms. After that, all the active nations left and Imperial Germany became a ghost region with a few inactive nations remaining. RedCommunist revelled in the occasion and stated in the WFE Time's USSR kicked Kaisers Ass 2:0

The nations in Imperial Germany had maps, a forum, a constitution etc. these guys where happily playing the game but RedCommunist would have none of that. He destroyed everything...

As patriotic Germans a few nations and I thought that this deed must be avenged. The WFE spoke of a traitor claiming victory and we would have none of that! I TG'ed RedCommunist telling him that I wanted to become delegate of Imperial Germany and that I would get the region back in shape, as long as he gave me regional controls. He agreed claiming that as long as the Kaiser and his idiot followers stay out, and the Kaiser stays banned, I'm more than welcome. Naturally I had a few accomplises, none of whom resided in The German Empire, they where totally ignorant of our operation, that means the Kaiser as well, he was happy with creating his new region and maps and so on...

Well anyways. We moved in, got the UN delegateship, ejected the few nations left behind. WE UNBANNED THEM! Then left ourselves. Our aim was to let the region collapse and then create it again, this time with a friendly founder at the head. RedCommunist never logged on to Hellsing2 and we hoped that he would stay ignorant as to the goings on in the region, which he did. A few nations did return, we persuaded them by unfriendly TG's to leave, that I admitt to, in which we described what we are doing.They left, the last one was a girl, as she pointed out to me when I called her brother, and her nation had something to do with Mafia, if we could get in touch with her I'm sure she'll verify the story. She even said that she TG'ed the Founder Hellsing2 but that he didn't respond and because of that she will comply with our demands and leave.

Well al of those who returned left. The region imploded and my rogue nation Vires created it again. Then we went to The German Empire and announced our great deed! I presented the region to the Kaiser and asked him what we should do with it, shall we all move back or let it die? He responded by giving me a new WFE, asking me to post it, while saying that he will move in a puppet so that the region doesn't implode again. Nobody was to move back and with a password to the region, the region would only contain one nation (his puppet) and be a monument to RedCommunist's aggression and childish antics.

I did that and at this point it was the first time the region was password protected, so the answer to both your questions is yes. My question is, did we really grief Imperial Germany or where we griefed by RedCommunist?

The German Empire succesfully invaded USSR after that, all done by the rules, to avenge what he did to Imperial Germany. A downtrodden RedCommunist there-after came to The German Empire boasting that Germany was mine for three months and Imperial Germany is still mine!, nearly three weeks after losing it, he still thought he had it! Well imagine his surprise when he found out! A few days later my two nations and two of the Kaiser gets deleted. You know... people who ain't affraid to dish it out but can't take it in return, really gets me down!

The poor old Kaisers only sin was to move in a puppet after we took it. He supplied us with a WFE and a puppet, what a griefer! I really feel sorry for the lad. Secondly the screenshot on page one of this thread shows me battling to get the password and regional controls right, and that was after we succesfully created the new region, that was no griefing, if you look closely Vires was by then already the founder and not Hellsing2 as was the case with the old Imperial Germany. How can I grief my own region with just one friendly puppet in it? LOL

In closing. I know we will never get our nations back, it's a shame as they where deleted for all the wrong reasons. I would like to state how ever that the Mod who did this didn't do his or her work propperly, acted hastily and is in my books inept, not worthy of being a Mod. Whoever you are you screwed up big time and caused a lot of unhappiness by being not up to the important task given to you. Well this one will go down as one of the Mods worst disasters and screw up's to date, thanks guys!

That all, hope the questions are settled now and don't give me the sorry we can't do anything because nothing can be verified speech, that doesn't correct a injustice.

I just know Max wouldn't have stood for this if he knew about it!

Cheers

Well anyways. We moved in, got the UN delegateship, ejected the few nations left behind. WE UNBANNED THEM! Then left ourselves. Our aim was to let the region collapse and then create it again, this time with a friendly founder at the head. RedCommunist never logged on to Hellsing2 and we hoped that he would stay ignorant as to the goings on in the region, which he did. A few nations did return, we persuaded them by unfriendly TG's to leave, that I admitt to, in which we described what we are doing.They left, the last one was a girl, as she pointed out to me when I called her brother, and her nation had something to do with Mafia, if we could get in touch with her I'm sure she'll verify the story. She even said that she TG'ed the Founder Hellsing2 but that he didn't respond and because of that she will comply with our demands and leave.

Well al of those who returned left. The region imploded and my rogue nation Vires created it again. Then we went to The German Empire and announced our great deed! I presented the region to the Kaiser and asked him what we should do with it, shall we all move back or let it die? He responded by giving me a new WFE, asking me to post it, while saying that he will move in a puppet so that the region doesn't implode again. Nobody was to move back and with a password to the region, the region would only contain one nation (his puppet) and be a monument to RedCommunist's aggression and childish antics.

I did that and at this point it was the first time the region was password protected, so the answer to both your questions is yes. My question is, did we really grief Imperial Germany or where we griefed by RedCommunist?

The German Empire succesfully invaded USSR after that, all done by the rules, to avenge what he did to Imperial Germany. A downtrodden RedCommunist there-after came to The German Empire boasting that , nearly three weeks after losing it, he still thought he had it! Well imagine his surprise when he found out! A few days later my two nations and two of the Kaiser gets deleted. You know... people who ain't affraid to dish it out but can't take it in return, really gets me down!

The poor old Kaisers only sin was to move in a puppet after we took it. He supplied us with a WFE and a puppet, what a griefer! I really feel sorry for the lad. Secondly the screenshot on page one of this thread shows me battling to get the password and regional controls right, and that was after we succesfully created the new region, that was no griefing, if you look closely Vires was by then already the founder and not Hellsing2 as was the case with the old Imperial Germany. How can I grief my own region with just one friendly puppet in it? LOL

In closing. I know we will never get our nations back, it's a shame as they where deleted for all the wrong reasons. I would like to state how ever that the Mod who did this didn't do his or her work propperly, acted hastily and is in my books inept, not worthy of being a Mod. Whoever you are you screwed up big time and caused a lot of unhappiness by being not up to the important task given to you. Well this one will go down as one of the Mods worst disasters and screw up's to date, thanks guys!

That all, hope the questions are settled now and don't give me the speech, that doesn't correct a injustice.

I just know Max wouldn't have stood for this if he knew about it!

Cheers


You may feel sorry, but you made him an accomplice. The way I see it, you are to blame for his deletion. You griefed the region, and after that, you gave it to the Kaiser. I feel sorry for him too. He was so gullible to give it all in your hands, and thus let you drag him in it too. He didn't know you griefed it, and moved a puppet in. After that he let the region collapse, and it got recreated. If I was him, I would never ever want to have anything to do with you again. You tricked him, into recreating a region, which you griefed. I too believe that he should be resurrected, but immediately deleted if he ever would go back to you guys again.

Mind you kicking out the founder, having the region deleted, recreating the region and passwording it is greifing. No way you can deny that. As well this has nothing to do with the USSR invasion. I reported spamming by TGE soldiers in the USSR.

The official notation says that you griefed the region "Imperial Germany". As I'm not the Moderator who handled your case, I'm not familiar with the details.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

How is it even possible that Kaiser Wilhelm II ever griefed Imperial Germany?
The USSR controlled the founder of Imperial Germany without us ever realizing. Then the USSR took control and kicked many native nations from Imperial Germany. RedCommunist is the perpetrator.

Over 100 nations now support the release of Kaiser Wilhelm II from the deleted. We have the proof that he did nothing wrong. Second, I am extremely dissapointed that the mod who dealt with this case has not said any words at all to do with Kaiser Wilhelm's deletion. Does no mod realize that RedCommunist was surely lying. In all my time in NationStates, I have NEVER seen such an event as bad as this.

You may feel sorry, but you made him an accomplice. The way I see it, you are to blame for his deletion. You griefed the region, and after that, you gave it to the Kaiser. I feel sorry for him too. He was so gullible to give it all in your hands, and thus let you drag him in it too. He didn't know you griefed it, and moved a puppet in. After that he let the region collapse, and it got recreated. If I was him, I would never ever want to have anything to do with you again. You tricked him, into recreating a region, which you griefed. I too believe that he should be resurrected, but immediately deleted if he ever would go back to you guys again.

The region belonged to Vires, not the Kaiser. Simple as that. Another nation cannot give a region to another just like that.

You are incorrect.

Carinthe

Please go and read my eralier post again, if you are not able to understand english I will get a translater for you. This time please pay attention and stop playing with the red highliter.

Now, I cannot and did not give the region to the Kaiser, I presented it to him as a symbolic act. Secondly he can't take control of it as I was the Founder. Thirdly I only presented it to him AFTER I let it collapse and recreated again. Lastly I didn't grief the region, we played by the... you know do you even know how to play NS? If not don't go venture and opinion again, please leave this thread to the players...

Thanks a mill.

Carinthe

This time please pay attention and stop playing with the red highliter.
They are your own words, aren't they?

Now, I cannot and did not give the region to the Kaiser, I presented it to him as a symbolic act. Secondly he can't take control of it as I was the Founder. Thirdly I only presented it to him AFTER I let it collapse and recreated again. Lastly I didn't grief the region, we played by the... you know do you even know how to play NS? If not don't go venture and opinion again, please leave this thread to the players...

Thanks a mill.

Carinthe, formerly known as Corinthe, is a much older nation than would seem as she's been deleted a time or two herself, so perhaps she knows what she's talking about? kthanx.

The official notation says that you griefed the region "Imperial Germany". As I'm not the Moderator who handled your case, I'm not familiar with the details.

OK, now we're getting somewhere. I was kicked out of Imperial Germany and banned by the former IG delegate, "Hellsing2." This was over 30 days ago. Since that time, I have not returned to Imperial Germany. Needless to say, I did not grief it.

A horrible mistake has been made here. I never griefed any region, I never told anyone to grief any region, heck, I've always told everyone in my regions not to even dabble with breaking NS rules.

Is there anywhere else I can appeal this to? Perhaps a "higher court"? Because I have been deleted for something I absolutely 100% totally had no part of - I just came on NS one day and I was deleted. Believe me, I follow the rules, and if I had done anything wrong whatsoever I wouldn't even try appealing this.

I greatly appreciate any further help -- is there a way to find out which Mod deleted me? Thanks, Cogitation!

--Brett

For appeals, e-mail Admin@NationStates.net.

The USSR controlled the founder of Imperial Germany without us ever realizing. Then the USSR took control and kicked many native nations from Imperial Germany. RedCommunist is the perpetrator.

Being a founder without telling you is not illegal. Nor is it greifing to kick two people, Kaiser Wilhelm II and Foil; Foil was less then one day old none the less. As well as founder I could have kicked the whole region and since I was founder it would not be greifing.

They are your own words, aren't they?



Carinthe, formerly known as Corinthe, is a much older nation than would seem as she's been deleted a time or two herself, so perhaps she knows what she's talking about? kthanx.

Yepz. I never griefed, or did any harm to other players. The mods just didn't agree with the way I payed spammers back in their own game. My mistake was that I didn't take the spamming lying down. Mind you, it was not me who did it, but we are as far offtopic as we are now. I'll stay out of this topic, as it doesn't concern me one bit.

The Kaiser is framed, by his 'friends'. Nuf said.

First of all, I was aware of the prelude to this (RedCommunist, as founder of Imperial Germany kicking out the Kaiser and such). While my personal opinion on the ethics of that episode sides with the Kaiser, I'm not comfortable with the way the details are represented by The Powerfull Vires, in particluar in relation to the rules of NS. Hence this reply.

Well anyways. We moved in, got the UN delegateship, ejected the few nations left behind. WE UNBANNED THEM! Then left ourselves. Our aim was to let the region collapse and then create it again, this time with a friendly founder at the head.

That's a griefing. Even a native delegate isn't allowed to eject everybody in the region. Invaders (which rule-technically you were at that point) aren't either. A Founder *OWNS* a region. If someone hands a founder nation to someone else, the foundership stays with that nation and hence transfers to a different player. If that means bad stuff happens to those living in that region, then that's a real shame and they might want to consider going to a new region (as you did) where they are capable of continuing gameplay the way they want it. This does not entitle those who leave to get revenge which goes beyond the game rules.

I've seen native delegates who did this get DEATed on the spot for emptying their 'own' region for the purpose of refounding (like Drone17 in Blue Moon, to name one very public example).

Nobody was to move back and with a password to the region, the region would only contain one nation (his puppet) [...]

... that's a DEAT-worthy rule violation as well. The natives were not allowed to return. They should have received any password set immediately. Ofcourse, by then the region was already completely griefed so it may be splitting hairs to point that out ;)

I did that and at this point it was the first time the region was password protected, so the answer to both your questions is yes. My question is, did we really grief Imperial Germany or where we griefed by RedCommunist?

Based on your own statements I'd say you really did grief Imperial Germany. Mass-ejection and not handing out the password to the natives.

I do wonder about the refounding yesterday though. Is that just a follow-up of previous stuff? I was expecting when I pulled up the region page to see Hellsing2 listed as Founder.

The German Empire succesfully invaded USSR after that, all done by the rules, to avenge what he did to Imperial Germany. A downtrodden RedCommunist there-after came to The German Empire boasting that , nearly three weeks after losing it, he still thought he had it! Well imagine his surprise when he found out! A few days later my two nations and two of the Kaiser gets deleted.

Sounds to me like RedCommunist may have filed a mod report, prompting mod action.

Ballotonia

Well thank you! For the first time somebody sat down and explained something, not just writing to be smart but actually trying to help. Thanks Ballotonia. Although I tend to think a bit otherwise, with the examples of Drone17 I understand what you are getting at. Well that is that then. From the way you put it, I may be guilty but really the Kaiser had nothing to do with it.

Oh... Katganistan ... errr yes? Well then good luck with the errr Kataliban...

I've spoken my piece and will now return to the bussiness of building up my nations.

Oh... Katganistan ... errr yes? Well then good luck with the errr Kataliban...


The region of Kattar is a quiet corner of the world. Its most notable recent triumph was deporting members of the extremist group, the Kataliban. The Kataliban deemed rubber squeaky mice inferior to mice covered with rabbit fur, and attempted to drive all squeaky mice out of Kattar. Rubber mice and furry mice united to drive them from Kattar, and now all are having a nice lie-down in true Katgani style.

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