NationStates Jolt Archive


Puppets Have to Go

Japaica
12-06-2004, 03:07
I HATE PUPPETS. Their only purposes are:

a) give RPers an unfair advantage in war
b) make it so polls are unaccurate
c) piss people off without having to get people pissed at your main nation

I think puppets ruin the game. Everyone should just stick to one nation. Puppets should be banned.

ARGUE WITH ME IF YOU DARE :twisted:
Colodia
12-06-2004, 03:13
*argues*
*dances*
*sticks out tongue*
Japaica
12-06-2004, 03:14
*argues*
*dances*
*sticks out tongue* :evil:
Colodia
12-06-2004, 03:15
Sliders
12-06-2004, 03:20
well I have two puppets that I use to see how different nations work in the game. Generally, I have my main nation that follows my own beliefs, and a puppet that follows the beliefs of some fictional character. It's fun cause I have to think..."well how would he respond to this issue?" I currently have one that started off completely fascist so I could see if I could save it (I stole this idea from someone else...but so far my experiment with fascism looks to be doing much better than his with socialism did)
Anyway, that's another purpose for puppets: to have fun.
note:I've never used a puppet in a dishonest way.
well...that's not quite true...back before my last nation died from inactivity I argued with myself on a forum once...but that's not so bad I guess
Serengarve
12-06-2004, 03:20
I HATE PUPPETS. Their only purposes are:

a) give RPers an unfair advantage in war
b) make it so polls are unaccurate
c) piss people off without having to get people pissed at your main nation



Two more purposes:

Region hawking

UN puppets
Serengarve
12-06-2004, 03:20
I HATE PUPPETS. Their only purposes are:

a) give RPers an unfair advantage in war
b) make it so polls are unaccurate
c) piss people off without having to get people pissed at your main nation



Two more purposes:

Region hawking

UN puppets
imported_Melcelene
12-06-2004, 03:24
I have my main nation, and a U.N. nation
Lakren
12-06-2004, 03:34
I actually agree... I've always had just one nation, and feel quite sad when I find out I've known two people that are actually the same person...
Japaica
12-06-2004, 03:36
I HATE PUPPETS. Their only purposes are:

a) give RPers an unfair advantage in war
b) make it so polls are unaccurate
c) piss people off without having to get people pissed at your main nation



Two more purposes:

Region hawking

UN puppets

Both bad
Incertonia
12-06-2004, 03:40
Well, being a UN multi can get you permanently deated, so that's not generally an issue. The mods are very strict on it and are pretty good at catching it.

I have another country that I play with, but I don't post with it or rp with it, so I don't know if it's technically a puppet.
Leetonia
12-06-2004, 03:41
To my knowledge, UN Puppets are banned. And in addition, I have wanted to do a puppet nation just so that I can have some SERIOUS fun emulating a fictional character "ALL HAIL ILLPALAZOO!!!~"
Unfree People
12-06-2004, 03:41
Bah! I couldn't disagree with you more.

Puppets can be used to create regions you don't want to mess with using your main nation, send to other regions as diplomats, friends, spies, sleepers, you name it. They can be used to placemark regions, invade regions, defend regions, manipulate people, spy on organizations, build up your own reputation, help other regions, destroy other regions, do a million things you don't want to or can't use your main nation for. Puppets can be used to test out game mechanics, the effects of all the issues, trying to get a nation high up in each ranking, figure out which UN category means what, find out the best options to raise CR, Econ, PF, environment, industries, health, happiness, everything.

I have a UN puppet because I don't want the UN messing with my main nation's stats, but I still need a voice in regional politics.

Puppets are an integral part of the game for many people and will most likely be going nowhere :D I have 64 of them myself at last count... and some people have far more.
Japaica
12-06-2004, 03:44
Bah! I couldn't disagree with you more.

Puppets can be used to create regions you don't want to mess with using your main nation, send to other regions as diplomats, friends, spies, sleepers, you name it. They can be used to placemark regions, invade regions, defend regions, manipulate people, spy on organizations, build up your own reputation, help other regions, destroy other regions, do a million things you don't want to or can't use your main nation for. Puppets can be used to test out game mechanics, the effects of all the issues, trying to get a nation high up in each ranking, figure out which UN category means what, find out the best options to raise CR, Econ, PF, environment, industries, health, happiness, everything.

I have a UN puppet because I don't want the UN messing with my main nation's stats, but I still need a voice in regional politics.

Puppets are an integral part of the game for many people and will most likely be going nowhere :D I have 64 of them myself at last count... and some people have far more.

It gives one person an unfair advantage.
Sliders
12-06-2004, 03:45
Bah! I couldn't disagree with you more.

Puppets can be used to create regions you don't want to mess with using your main nation, send to other regions as diplomats, friends, spies, sleepers, you name it. They can be used to placemark regions, invade regions, defend regions, manipulate people, spy on organizations, build up your own reputation, help other regions, destroy other regions, do a million things you don't want to or can't use your main nation for. Puppets can be used to test out game mechanics, the effects of all the issues, trying to get a nation high up in each ranking, figure out which UN category means what, find out the best options to raise CR, Econ, PF, environment, industries, health, happiness, everything.

I have a UN puppet because I don't want the UN messing with my main nation's stats, but I still need a voice in regional politics.

Puppets are an integral part of the game for many people and will most likely be going nowhere :D I have 64 of them myself at last count... and some people have far more.
Why does it say you are a faithful atheist? that is amazing...!
Oh...sorry...off topic...

So umm...when people say UN puppets...I assume they mean they have a puppet in the UN instead of their main nation. That is not against the rules.
Sliders
12-06-2004, 03:45
Bah! I couldn't disagree with you more.

Puppets can be used to create regions you don't want to mess with using your main nation, send to other regions as diplomats, friends, spies, sleepers, you name it. They can be used to placemark regions, invade regions, defend regions, manipulate people, spy on organizations, build up your own reputation, help other regions, destroy other regions, do a million things you don't want to or can't use your main nation for. Puppets can be used to test out game mechanics, the effects of all the issues, trying to get a nation high up in each ranking, figure out which UN category means what, find out the best options to raise CR, Econ, PF, environment, industries, health, happiness, everything.

I have a UN puppet because I don't want the UN messing with my main nation's stats, but I still need a voice in regional politics.

Puppets are an integral part of the game for many people and will most likely be going nowhere :D I have 64 of them myself at last count... and some people have far more.

It gives one person an unfair advantage.
Not at all, everyone can have puppets...not just one person. The person only has the advantage if you don't have the time or desire to create 64 puppets
Purly Euclid
12-06-2004, 03:46
Well, my original nation, Anthrus, was deleted because of my puppet, Brobrada. Brobrada was mouthing some no-no's off.
Japaica
12-06-2004, 03:46
Bah! I couldn't disagree with you more.

Puppets can be used to create regions you don't want to mess with using your main nation, send to other regions as diplomats, friends, spies, sleepers, you name it. They can be used to placemark regions, invade regions, defend regions, manipulate people, spy on organizations, build up your own reputation, help other regions, destroy other regions, do a million things you don't want to or can't use your main nation for. Puppets can be used to test out game mechanics, the effects of all the issues, trying to get a nation high up in each ranking, figure out which UN category means what, find out the best options to raise CR, Econ, PF, environment, industries, health, happiness, everything.

I have a UN puppet because I don't want the UN messing with my main nation's stats, but I still need a voice in regional politics.

Puppets are an integral part of the game for many people and will most likely be going nowhere :D I have 64 of them myself at last count... and some people have far more.
Why does it say you are a faithful atheist? that is amazing...!
Oh...sorry...off topic...

So umm...when people say UN puppets...I assume they mean they have a puppet in the UN instead of their main nation. That is not against the rules.

Well, if they meant something different, then the mods will delete them very very quickly. :wink:
Unfree People
12-06-2004, 03:46
Forum custom title contest (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=130088), it was the only one I entered (the first one I entered, too) 'cause I'm athiest and proud of it too...

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean by a UN puppet. I wouldn't dare submit this poor nation to the horrors of the UN.
Japaica
12-06-2004, 03:47
Forum custom title contest (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=130088), it was the only one I entered (the first one I entered, too) 'cause I'm athiest and proud of it too...

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean by a UN puppet. I wouldn't dare submit this poor nation to the horrors of the UN.

horrors *shudders* so many horrors
Unfree People
12-06-2004, 03:47
It gives one person an unfair advantage.
Not at all, everyone can have puppets...not just one person. The person only has the advantage if you don't have the time or desire to create 64 puppets Sliders is very right, the advantage isn't unfair. I created puppets and placed them in good positions because I was so insanly dedicated to pwning in regional politics; I'm not talking about RP here. I don't RP. Never will.
Japaica
12-06-2004, 03:49
It gives one person an unfair advantage.
Not at all, everyone can have puppets...not just one person. The person only has the advantage if you don't have the time or desire to create 64 puppets Sliders is very right, the advantage isn't unfair. I created puppets and placed them in good positions because I was so insanly dedicated to pwning in regional politics; I'm not talking about RP here. I don't RP. Never will.

And your better for it. :D
Tuesday Heights
12-06-2004, 03:50
I have 30+ puppets with more to come. :twisted:
Japaica
12-06-2004, 03:50
I have 30+ puppets with more to come. :twisted:

Oy vey :roll:
Sliders
12-06-2004, 03:51
Forum custom title contest (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=130088), it was the only one I entered (the first one I entered, too) 'cause I'm athiest and proud of it too...

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean by a UN puppet. I wouldn't dare submit this poor nation to the horrors of the UN.
huh...I never bothered to open that thread so I didn't know what it was...thanks for telling me...even though it's gone now...
Unfree People
12-06-2004, 03:51
And your better for it. :D I think so too :twisted:

Crazygirl has 230 puppets last I heard from her. I'm mostly off my puppet-making kick and they're mainly sitting around in feeder regions, but I shan't ever let them die off, I'm far too fond of them all.
Unfree People
12-06-2004, 03:52
Forum custom title contest (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=130088), it was the only one I entered (the first one I entered, too) 'cause I'm athiest and proud of it too...

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean by a UN puppet. I wouldn't dare submit this poor nation to the horrors of the UN.
huh...I never bothered to open that thread so I didn't know what it was...thanks for telling me...even though it's gone now...
It's not gone; did you click the link?
Japaica
12-06-2004, 03:52
And your better for it. :D I think so too :twisted:

Crazygirl has 230 puppets last I heard from her. I'm mostly off my puppet-making kick and they're mainly sitting around in feeder regions, but I shan't ever let them die off, I'm far too fond of them all.

I didn't mean that your better for having a lot of puppets. I'm against puppets. I meant that your better for not using them in the forums. Cause that's immoral.
Tuesday Heights
12-06-2004, 03:53
I have 30+ puppets with more to come. :twisted:

Oy vey :roll:

And they're all strategically placed... so, watch out, you never know where my puppets reach!
Japaica
12-06-2004, 03:54
I have 30+ puppets with more to come. :twisted:

Oy vey :roll:

And they're all strategically placed... so, watch out, you never know where my puppets reach!

Thats a scary thought. I could be talking to you and not even know it.
Unfree People
12-06-2004, 03:54
I didn't mean that your better for having a lot of puppets. I'm against puppets. I meant that your better for not using them in the forums. Cause that's immoral. I thought you meant I was better for not RP'ing, which is what I agree with.

I know you're against puppets, you started this thread, didn't you?
Japaica
12-06-2004, 03:55
I didn't mean that your better for having a lot of puppets. I'm against puppets. I meant that your better for not using them in the forums. Cause that's immoral. I thought you meant I was better for not RP'ing, which is what I agree with.

I know you're against puppets, you started this thread, didn't you?

Si. And BTW, I hate RPing.
Tuesday Heights
12-06-2004, 03:56
Thats a scary thought. I could be talking to you and not even know it.

No, I stay quiet, gain intell. Share intell. You'd never know.
Unfree People
12-06-2004, 03:57
And they're all strategically placed... so, watch out, you never know where my puppets reach! Bah, 30 is nothing. I have thoroughly messed up several players by talking to them with three or more puppets; mostly to gather information and then spring it on them when they least expect it. PWND :twisted:

Ah, those were the days. I hardly do any of that anymore.

And BTW, I hate RPing. Ditto. I guess we agree on something then.
Japaica
12-06-2004, 03:57
Thats a scary thought. I could be talking to you and not even know it.

No, I stay quiet, gain intell. Share intell. You'd never know.

*looks around nervously*
Japaica
12-06-2004, 03:58
And they're all strategically placed... so, watch out, you never know where my puppets reach! Bah, 30 is nothing. I have thoroughly messed up several players by talking to them with three or more puppets; mostly to gather information and then spring it on them when they least expect it. PWND :twisted:

Ah, those were the days. I hardly do any of that anymore.

And BTW, I hate RPing. Ditto. I guess we agree on something then.

Hey, we're both regular General Posters, aren't we? :D
Superpower07
12-06-2004, 03:58
No more puppets?
*declares war on Puppet of Superpower07*
*drops a DEAT bomb upon capital*
Unfree People
12-06-2004, 04:00
Hey, we're both regular General Posters, aren't we? :D True, so the RPers probably hate us both. More in common, yay! :lol:
Soviet Haaregrad
12-06-2004, 04:00
People also make puppets to RP different types of nations... :roll:
Japaica
12-06-2004, 14:20
People also make puppets to RP different types of nations... :roll:

also shouldn't be done
Twink the Incorrigible
12-06-2004, 14:23
I HATE PUPPETS. Their only purposes are:

a) give RPers an unfair advantage in war
b) make it so polls are unaccurate
c) piss people off without having to get people pissed at your main nation

I think puppets ruin the game. Everyone should just stick to one nation. Puppets should be banned.

ARGUE WITH ME IF YOU DARE :twisted:

My personal favorite. :twisted:

Hey, the virtual world is a world of illusion. Why not let people try on different skins. There's lying, and then there's pretending. Nothing wrong with a little healthy, grown-up make believe.
Japaica
12-06-2004, 14:25
I HATE PUPPETS. Their only purposes are:

a) give RPers an unfair advantage in war
b) make it so polls are unaccurate
c) piss people off without having to get people pissed at your main nation

I think puppets ruin the game. Everyone should just stick to one nation. Puppets should be banned.

ARGUE WITH ME IF YOU DARE :twisted:

My personal favorite. :twisted:

Hey, the virtual world is a world of illusion. Why not let people try on different skins. There's lying, and then there's pretending. Nothing wrong with a little healthy, grown-up make believe.

unless others get decieved
Mittwoch
12-06-2004, 14:31
I think they should be allowed. I have puppets, cause I have one in a friends reigon, one in my reigon, one in my first reigon, and my UN one which is also in my reigon(however I openly told the people in my reigon that that nation was just my puppet to be in the UN.).

I also think however, that if people are doing things with puppets that they shouldn't be, they should be reported, then checked out, and if the accuasation is true, they should be deleted.
Twink the Incorrigible
12-06-2004, 14:31
My personal favorite. :twisted:

Hey, the virtual world is a world of illusion. Why not let people try on different skins. There's lying, and then there's pretending. Nothing wrong with a little healthy, grown-up make believe.

unless others get decieved

Yeah, you have a point. That's the difference between lying and pretending.

Nobody really believes I'm an eight-inch-tall cigar-smoking pixie with a bad attitude. (Well, maybe they believe the bad attitude part.) Just like nobody believes Pablo the Squirrel is really a squirrel, or that the Smoking Man really believes all the theories he makes up, or that any of us are really world leaders. That's pretending.

Lying is different. Lying is making claims that you are something in real life that you aren't. If I tried to convince you all that I was a tall, gorgeous rich movie star IRL, that would be lying. But if I portrayed a character on here that was a tall, gorgeous, rich movie star, and you all knew it was a character, that's pretending, and that's pretty darn harmless. That's why I think puppets are mostly harmless...they're an extension of the make-believe/imaginative aspect of the game.
Jeruselem
12-06-2004, 15:18
What's wrong with puppets? I have right to a split personality :twisted:
Druthulhu
12-06-2004, 15:52
...
note:I've never used a puppet in a dishonest way.
well...that's not quite true...back before my last nation died from inactivity I argued with myself on a forum once...but that's not so bad I guess

Who won? ^_^
Japaica
12-06-2004, 17:22
bump
Luckdonia
12-06-2004, 17:35
Bah! I couldn't disagree with you more.

Puppets can be used to create regions you don't want to mess with using your main nation, send to other regions as diplomats, friends, spies, sleepers, you name it. They can be used to placemark regions, invade regions, defend regions, manipulate people, spy on organizations, build up your own reputation, help other regions, destroy other regions, do a million things you don't want to or can't use your main nation for. Puppets can be used to test out game mechanics, the effects of all the issues, trying to get a nation high up in each ranking, figure out which UN category means what, find out the best options to raise CR, Econ, PF, environment, industries, health, happiness, everything.

I have a UN puppet because I don't want the UN messing with my main nation's stats, but I still need a voice in regional politics.

Puppets are an integral part of the game for many people and will most likely be going nowhere :D I have 64 of them myself at last count... and some people have far more.
Hmmm...I don't disagree totally with puppets,but there should be some kind of regulation on them,2 or 3 is O.K. -One for RP,One for an alter -ego,one for fun,etc...There are legitimate reasons.....but you guys with 4+ nations are taking the p*ss! What legit reason do you have to have 50 or 60 nations? You are on some kind of power trip or like playing mind games....Someone with 50+ nations has too much f**king time on their hands!!
Frank White
President
Peoples Republic Of Luckdonia
Luckdonia
12-06-2004, 17:38
well I have two puppets that I use to see how different nations work in the game. Generally, I have my main nation that follows my own beliefs, and a puppet that follows the beliefs of some fictional character. It's fun cause I have to think..."well how would he respond to this issue?" I currently have one that started off completely fascist so I could see if I could save it (I stole this idea from someone else...but so far my experiment with fascism looks to be doing much better than his with socialism did)
Anyway, that's another purpose for puppets: to have fun.
note:I've never used a puppet in a dishonest way.
well...that's not quite true...back before my last nation died from inactivity I argued with myself on a forum once...but that's not so bad I guess
This is exactly what I'm talking about.....this guy argues with himself....Nuff said :roll:
Pax Salam
12-06-2004, 17:41
OK Look people, how would we ban puppets? Do you think the mods have time to check for this now? What about if you were at a library computer, and lots of people played nation states? And seriously, if someone has time to make and update 60 puppets, they should be commended, not chastised...
The Smoking Man
12-06-2004, 17:42
I HATE PUPPETS. Their only purposes are:

a) give RPers an unfair advantage in war
b) make it so polls are unaccurate
c) piss people off without having to get people pissed at your main nation

I think puppets ruin the game. Everyone should just stick to one nation. Puppets should be banned.

ARGUE WITH ME IF YOU DARE :twisted:How about me?
NS Clangers
12-06-2004, 17:46
Puppets allow me to be different people in different regions - i can meet and interact with more people that way...and have more fun.

My main nation has 2 direct puppets - and i'm open about that. Other puppets do different things in different places.

I certainly don't use my puppets to piss people off - although personally i take the view that if i do something you don't like then it is your choice whether you feel pissed off or not :twisted:

I'm kinda shocked Japaica...didn't have you down as being a control freak :?
imported_Vollmeria
12-06-2004, 17:50
Go to my region and see i have 2 puppets, one i once used to RP a tribe, the other was given to me by a friend, i promised to keep it alive and i'm a man of my word.
I dont see whats wrong with having a couple puppets, besides having 30 puppets mean you'll have to do 30 issues and for me: 3 is more then enough.
Japaica
12-06-2004, 17:55
Puppets allow me to be different people in different regions - i can meet and interact with more people that way...and have more fun.

My main nation has 2 direct puppets - and i'm open about that. Other puppets do different things in different places.

I certainly don't use my puppets to piss people off - although personally i take the view that if i do something you don't like then it is your choice whether you feel pissed off or not :twisted:

I'm kinda shocked Japaica...didn't have you down as being a control freak :?

I'm just pissed cause I got decieved by a few peoples' puppets.

BTW, what is your main nation? Since you only have 2 posts, i'm assuming that you have other nations because you "didn't have me down as being a control freak".
The Lightning Star
12-06-2004, 17:57
Having a puppet is good for many things.

Lets say you have one country, lets say... a Capitalist dreamland, and you want to do RPing but you have NO ONE to RP with, why not create a Communist haven, and the RP to your hearts desire.

Or lets say your main country is a rogue nation, an enemy for all the U.N. stands for, but you still want to have a say for other countries to suffer. Just create ONE puppet, not more than one, and use it for the U.N. that way you dont break the rules, but you still get a say in government AND have 2 countries with which you can RP with.
Dezzan
12-06-2004, 18:03
Puppets allow me to be different people in different regions - i can meet and interact with more people that way...and have more fun.

My main nation has 2 direct puppets - and i'm open about that. Other puppets do different things in different places.

I certainly don't use my puppets to piss people off - although personally i take the view that if i do something you don't like then it is your choice whether you feel pissed off or not :twisted:

I'm kinda shocked Japaica...didn't have you down as being a control freak :?

I'm just pissed cause I got decieved by a few peoples' puppets.

BTW, what is your main nation? Since you only have 2 posts, i'm assuming that you have other nations because you "didn't have me down as being a control freak".

Do ya recognise me now? :D

One nation is NOT enough - anyways, i also have two regions and to make sure they survive they both need a keeper nation.

AND i'm having a go at being a male personality - apparently i come over as being a bit gayish by the one person who knows i'm really a girl :D
It's kinda fun to try though.
Japaica
12-06-2004, 18:05
Puppets allow me to be different people in different regions - i can meet and interact with more people that way...and have more fun.

My main nation has 2 direct puppets - and i'm open about that. Other puppets do different things in different places.

I certainly don't use my puppets to piss people off - although personally i take the view that if i do something you don't like then it is your choice whether you feel pissed off or not :twisted:

I'm kinda shocked Japaica...didn't have you down as being a control freak :?

I'm just pissed cause I got decieved by a few peoples' puppets.

BTW, what is your main nation? Since you only have 2 posts, i'm assuming that you have other nations because you "didn't have me down as being a control freak".

Do ya recognise me now? :D

One nation is NOT enough - anyways, i also have two regions and to make sure they survive they both need a keeper nation.

AND i'm having a go at being a male personality - apparently i come over as being a bit gayish by the one person who knows i'm really a girl :D
It's kinda fun to try though.

Now thats just scary. :D
Alternate Sex Personallity :D
I like this smiley. :D
Dezzan
12-06-2004, 18:14
Hey Japaica...try it sometime! It's tough, believe me! :D

I like the smiley too :D :D :D

But...didn't ya recognise me? Don't say that you've never noticed me :(
Free Outer Eugenia
12-06-2004, 18:21
What about humerous/ novelty puppets? What about ambassadorial puppets used by those who do not wish to leave their regions? (UN delegates for example)
Japaica
12-06-2004, 18:47
Hey Japaica...try it sometime! It's tough, believe me! :D

I like the smiley too :D :D :D

But...didn't ya recognise me? Don't say that you've never noticed me :(

Don't worry, I noticed your posts. :D

But how could I recognize you from just your writing style. I'm no phychic. Or am I? :shock:
Dezzan
12-06-2004, 18:53
Phychic???

You're certainly no speller :wink:

Unless it's a word i've never come across before :D
Japaica
12-06-2004, 18:55
Phychic???

You're certainly no speller :wink:

Unless it's a word i've never come across before :D

You know what I meant. Psychic (sp?)

You're right. I ain't no speller. :D
HK-Forty Seven
12-06-2004, 19:00
Statement: I disagree, Meatbag! Everyone should be allowed to have any puppet nations they wish!
Reply: Novelty puppets? I have no idea what you mean.
Suggestion: Perhaps we should simply blast each other. The winner will get a car.
Demonic Gophers
12-06-2004, 19:15
Some of my puppets are sworn enemies. You can be sure I won't use them to gain an unfair advantage in war; they'd be too busy fighting each other...
I like designing settings and characters. Having multiple nations lets me use more of them, which is fun. In fact, I'm not sure which of my nations would be considered my main - though I know it isn't my UN nation.
-The player behind DG
Silly puppet fun
12-06-2004, 19:38
What is wrong with puppets? :evil:
HK47
12-06-2004, 19:45
I'm a puppet nation myself, but only because my main nation promised to sent a nation to the Greater Poland region. Besides in real life there are many puppet nations so this is nothing illegal.
The Unreal Soldiers
12-06-2004, 20:01
I currently own 4 puppets, I keep them all in the same region, and only use my main nation(this one) to RP and post with. I just keep the other ones because Im trying to get 5 nations with over 2billion populations each, and so far 3 of them have reached 2bil.
Unfree People
13-06-2004, 02:43
Bah! I couldn't disagree with you more.

Puppets can be used to create regions you don't want to mess with using your main nation, send to other regions as diplomats, friends, spies, sleepers, you name it. They can be used to placemark regions, invade regions, defend regions, manipulate people, spy on organizations, build up your own reputation, help other regions, destroy other regions, do a million things you don't want to or can't use your main nation for. Puppets can be used to test out game mechanics, the effects of all the issues, trying to get a nation high up in each ranking, figure out which UN category means what, find out the best options to raise CR, Econ, PF, environment, industries, health, happiness, everything.

I have a UN puppet because I don't want the UN messing with my main nation's stats, but I still need a voice in regional politics.

Puppets are an integral part of the game for many people and will most likely be going nowhere :D I have 64 of them myself at last count... and some people have far more.
Hmmm...I don't disagree totally with puppets,but there should be some kind of regulation on them,2 or 3 is O.K. -One for RP,One for an alter -ego,one for fun,etc...There are legitimate reasons.....but you guys with 4+ nations are taking the p*ss! What legit reason do you have to have 50 or 60 nations? You are on some kind of power trip or like playing mind games....Someone with 50+ nations has too much f**king time on their hands!!

Nah, you're totally missing the point. You must have not even read the very post you quoted. Try it again.

Making and caring for my puppets barely takes any time at all; 53 out of 64 of my puppets are on vacation mode and I log into them very irregularly.
Silly puppet fun
13-06-2004, 03:14
Puppets have small bladders, let them "go" if they have to.
Trotterstan
13-06-2004, 03:18
To everyone with 3 or more puppets....

You care WAY too much about this game.
Silly puppet fun
13-06-2004, 03:19
To everyone with 3 or more puppets....

You care WAY too much about this game.

My puppets have puppets :D
Unfree People
13-06-2004, 03:20
To everyone with 3 or more puppets....

You care WAY too much about this game.

It's either play NS or go write my paper 8)

*makes another puppet*.. making puppets is fun... 64 nations now :)
New Genoa
13-06-2004, 03:22
Hey, we're both regular General Posters, aren't we? :D True, so the RPers probably hate us both. More in common, yay! :lol:

Im and RPer but I don't hate General Forumers. I did back when the volcano was around.
Free Outer Eugenia
13-06-2004, 03:37
What about humerous/ novelty puppets? What about ambassadorial puppets used by those who do not wish to leave their regions? (UN delegates for example)
NuMetal
13-06-2004, 03:48
I have puppets because I like to check out differnt regions and orginizations.....
Japaica
13-06-2004, 04:14
Some of my puppets are sworn enemies. You can be sure I won't use them to gain an unfair advantage in war; they'd be too busy fighting each other...
I like designing settings and characters. Having multiple nations lets me use more of them, which is fun. In fact, I'm not sure which of my nations would be considered my main - though I know it isn't my UN nation.
-The player behind DG

I guess that's fine, but that's not how the majority of puppet owners use them.
Kwangistar
13-06-2004, 04:15
I have one puppet, and I wouldn't care if I got rid of it, I mean I'd like to keep it but if puppets had to go I wouldn't fight over it.
Galliam
13-06-2004, 04:17
I have one puppet, Rock Opera, it's mostly if I want to change the way I run a government for a while and I like it's flag. I sometimes post with it but I don't RP. It really isn't harming anything, and I readily admit it's mine. It was UN fior a while and then I left before the abortion vbill got passed.
Japaica
13-06-2004, 04:20
A while back I made a thread that asked everyone to reveal their puppets. That was a complete failure. Apparently people use them to decieve and don't want others to know who they are.
Unfree People
13-06-2004, 04:22
Yeah, well, there's no way I'm going to list 64 nations. And that's beside the fact that I used to use some as spies in enemy organizations (all gameplay, all regional politics) and some are still planted there. So that'd be silly and political suicide. *shrugs*
Japaica
13-06-2004, 04:49
bump :twisted:
Unfree People
13-06-2004, 05:41
Was the line-breaking post really necessary? That's spam, rather obnoxious spam at that.
Cogitation
13-06-2004, 05:43
This appears to be a discussion of NationStates rules. iMove :arrow: "Moderation".

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
Sliders
13-06-2004, 06:00
well I have two puppets that I use to see how different nations work in the game. Generally, I have my main nation that follows my own beliefs, and a puppet that follows the beliefs of some fictional character. It's fun cause I have to think..."well how would he respond to this issue?" I currently have one that started off completely fascist so I could see if I could save it (I stole this idea from someone else...but so far my experiment with fascism looks to be doing much better than his with socialism did)
Anyway, that's another purpose for puppets: to have fun.
note:I've never used a puppet in a dishonest way.
well...that's not quite true...back before my last nation died from inactivity I argued with myself on a forum once...but that's not so bad I guess
This is exactly what I'm talking about.....this guy argues with himself....Nuff said :roll:
But I only have 3 puppets....Besides, I talk to myself IRL, if I didn't do it here then that would be deceitful
edit: I only have 2 puppets...3 nations total
imported_Miss
13-06-2004, 06:05
just checking post count thanks!
GMC Military Arms
13-06-2004, 06:15
I HATE PUPPETS. Their only purposes are:

a) give RPers an unfair advantage in war
b) make it so polls are unaccurate
c) piss people off without having to get people pissed at your main nation

I think puppets ruin the game. Everyone should just stick to one nation. Puppets should be banned.

ARGUE WITH ME IF YOU DARE :twisted:

They also allow you to roleplay a nation setup differently to your main one, say good and evil, industrialised and environmentalist, or whatever.

In other words, you're complete wrong. You only think puppets are bad because you've only seen their puppetwank side, unless you're claiming to know the identity of every puppet on NS.
Gothic Kitty
13-06-2004, 09:43
I don't know how many puppets I have. They serve as ambassadors, and work hard for the cause. Many of them are spying on you lot, and are doing a mighty fine job. Just remember; Any non-UN nation in your region might be mine, and soon we'll controll the whole of NationStates. :twisted:
The Most Glorious Hack
13-06-2004, 09:53
As I've probably got more puppets than any other Mod, I can assure you that they're not going anywhere.
Filea
13-06-2004, 09:54
I have three puppets Chadiz, Chadix & Calumtopia
Callisdrun
13-06-2004, 10:02
I have two puppets in my region that I'm trying to make into anarchies for storyline reference reasons. Because they are both anarchies, they pose little threat to anyone, I never go on the forum with them, and only my main nation is in the UN. Storyline wise they both also hate my main nation, so they don't really give me any sort of advantage.
I have three more puppets that I used to start a region because I wanted to RP a more fantasy based type thing. unfortunately, no one else has joined that region.
Chibi chibi
13-06-2004, 11:17
i'm a puppet from a gameplayer, who owns 200+ puppets, who's mentioned in this thread, and who hasn't posted in here yet :twisted:

thing is, puppets are a part of the game. people use them for different purposes, in each aspect of the game.
Duke Valentino
13-06-2004, 14:21
i have two nations (this one and another one) i dont really think of either of them as puppets, they both have nothing to do with each other, its been months since they've even been in the same region. I run my own region (with my other country) so this one goes around watching everyone else and see what happens. Now what could be wrong with that?
NuMetal
13-06-2004, 15:44
Also, If I ever use my puppets in RP they would be against eachother :D
Unfree People
13-06-2004, 16:25
i'm a puppet from a gameplayer, who owns 200+ puppets, who's mentioned in this thread, and who hasn't posted in here yet :twisted:

thing is, puppets are a part of the game. people use them for different purposes, in each aspect of the game.

:) the person who mentioned you wouldn't happen to be me, would it? 8)

someday I'll catch up to you.... :x
Japaica
13-06-2004, 21:41
I HATE PUPPETS. Their only purposes are:

a) give RPers an unfair advantage in war
b) make it so polls are unaccurate
c) piss people off without having to get people pissed at your main nation

I think puppets ruin the game. Everyone should just stick to one nation. Puppets should be banned.

ARGUE WITH ME IF YOU DARE :twisted:

They also allow you to roleplay a nation setup differently to your main one, say good and evil, industrialised and environmentalist, or whatever.

In other words, you're complete wrong. You only think puppets are bad because you've only seen their puppetwank side, unless you're claiming to know the identity of every puppet on NS.

I wish :roll:

But anyway, many times puppets are used just to piss people off without using their main nation.
Andolai
13-06-2004, 21:57
I have several puppets that I use as a social experiment, seeing how the implementation of policies that I disagree with affects how nations develop in game terms. It also allows me to get involved in matters that my rather peaceful "main" nation (this one) would have no interest in.

While a few people may abuse the gameplay with their puppets, I fail to see why this should affect the rest of us who have less annoying reasons for creating them.
BLARGistania
13-06-2004, 21:59
I have three, I just don't really use the other two. This is my main nation. Pathological Exiles was raised to have completely different political beliefs than my own (just to see what happened) and Pythonists is an experiment nation that I'm trying to turn into an anarchy. I only RP with them when their character better fits the RP.
Tuesday Heights
14-06-2004, 00:48
As I've probably got more puppets than any other Mod, I can assure you that they're not going anywhere.

Good to know, because I have quite a bit of fun with them. :twisted:
Japaica
14-06-2004, 01:21
Cogitation
14-06-2004, 02:07
But anyway, many times puppets are used just to piss people off without using their main nation.

...and you think that we GMs can't trace puppets back to their puppetmasters? Heheheheheh....

"Think about it for a moment." :twisted:

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
Katganistan
14-06-2004, 04:28
"Eeeek!" came a chorus of fearful puppety shrieks.

;)
Crazy girl
14-06-2004, 08:48
i'm a puppet from a gameplayer, who owns 200+ puppets, who's mentioned in this thread, and who hasn't posted in here yet :twisted:

thing is, puppets are a part of the game. people use them for different purposes, in each aspect of the game.

:) the person who mentioned you wouldn't happen to be me, would it? 8)

someday I'll catch up to you.... :x

three guesses, unfree :P
Ikitiok
14-06-2004, 10:59
"Eeeek!" came a chorus of fearful puppety shrieks.

;)

:D

All my puppets second that
UNIverseVERSE
14-06-2004, 15:56
i'm a puppet from a gameplayer, who owns 200+ puppets, who's mentioned in this thread, and who hasn't posted in here yet :twisted:

thing is, puppets are a part of the game. people use them for different purposes, in each aspect of the game.

:) the person who mentioned you wouldn't happen to be me, would it? 8)

someday I'll catch up to you.... :x

three guesses, unfree :P

ummm, Crazy Girl maybe?
Tuesday Heights
14-06-2004, 16:01
But anyway, many times puppets are used just to piss people off without using their main nation.

This is definitely NOT true. Personally, I have never used a puppet to attack another player/region/poster. I use them for strategic purposes of gathering intelligence, infilitrating an enemy region, and/or region hawking.

I don't have the immaturity level to piss people off with puppets.
Japaica
14-06-2004, 16:24
But anyway, many times puppets are used just to piss people off without using their main nation.

This is definitely NOT true. Personally, I have never used a puppet to attack another player/region/poster. I use them for strategic purposes of gathering intelligence, infilitrating an enemy region, and/or region hawking.

I don't have the immaturity level to piss people off with puppets.

It may not be true for you, but it is definately true for many others on the forums. But, I know it would be totally impossible to get rid of puppets. I was just flaming about puppets cause I don't like them.

To Cog: I think we've heard all sides and opinions now. It's ok to lock. :wink:
MadderMike
14-06-2004, 16:39
I use my puppets for different RP purposes, one for swords & sorcery, one for future, one for modern... and when there is a RP I want to join that doesn't fit the persona of this nation. When I first started I needed a foil so I created one. I also started a nation to build ships for me, then I quickly found out that was not really acceptable so it languishes in vacation mode. As others have stated, it is fun to see what happens to the stats when you answer issues differently. I have no country in the UN. I like to make my own bad choices. Again sometimes you need a spy in another region. I admit I am in awe of 200+ puppets.
UNIverseVERSE
14-06-2004, 16:40
...just flaming... flaming?? :shock:
Japaica
14-06-2004, 17:10
...just flaming... flaming?? :shock:

about puppets. Not flaming as in homosexual. :wink:
UNIverseVERSE
14-06-2004, 17:21
...just flaming... flaming?? :shock:

about puppets. Not flaming as in homosexual. :wink:

still...

And I currently have 5 nations :D so Ha!
Tuesday Heights
14-06-2004, 17:35
It may not be true for you, but it is definately true for many others on the forums. But, I know it would be totally impossible to get rid of puppets. I was just flaming about puppets cause I don't like them.

Well, they puppetmaster's are punished for flaming with their puppets and can get their main nation deleted for multiple offenses, as you probably know.

I'm curious as to why you brought this all up... were you flamed?

<--- not a mod
Unfree People
14-06-2004, 18:24
three guesses, unfree :P
:lol: I don't even need one guess now ;)
Gothic Kitty
14-06-2004, 18:47
I hope to have a puppet in every region bigger than 200, one day 8)
Tuesday Heights
14-06-2004, 23:33
I hope to have a puppet in every region bigger than 200, one day 8)

I already do. :wink:
Gothic Kitty
14-06-2004, 23:39
I already do. :wink:

I meant over 100 :lol: