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http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151794&start=60

Here you'll find FascistWhiteStates making two death threats, one against myself and one against BodiesWithoutOrgans (as I recall). I don't recall that saying that a fellow forum goer should be gassed is proper form for General.

I dont know what it is about FWS that can do it, but he seems to piss a good number of people off continually.

Ive personally not seen his remarks, other than when I see them reported here. There is flaming going on all over the place in that thread.

I now have good reason to avoid him. I dont want to get myself in trouble for speaking to him.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151794&start=60

Here you'll find FascistWhiteStates making two death threats, one against myself and one against BodiesWithoutOrgans (as I recall). I don't recall that saying that a fellow forum goer should be gassed is proper form for General.

Hardly threats... I was giving my opinion as to what should be done with those like you... A threat is usually defined as something specific in time, place, and manner... And something that is possible... Do you forsee me ever gassing you? Do you think the right wing will ever that kind of power?

QUIT WASTING THE MODS TIME!!!!

I disagree FWS.

A threat can equally mean an implied wish of bodily harm. It does not always include a time or place.

But more to the point, your comments are against the rules. Perhaps a refresher course in them is appropriate.

What can't I post?
Any content that is:

obscene
illegal
threatening
malicious
defamatory
spam

This applies to your nation's name, motto, and other customizable fields, any messages you write, images you post, or any other content you upload or link to NationStates. If you do, your nation will be deleted. See the site's Terms & Conditions for details.

While I am not a mod, I can not enforce such things. But I do see the reasoning behind any action they may take.

Anbar: have you contacted the administration using the Getting Help (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/-1/page=help) page?

Taken care of.

That was totally unfair to delete me...

That was no threat... Opinions are not threats... A threat must cause fear...

Does he really think he is going to be gassed?

I want this decision reviewed by an unbiased mod.


You cannot delete somebody just because you don't like their politics...

Under the law (I've taken classes on Law) That was no threat.

Give it up, FWS, the mods obviously said you are in the wrong. Move on, perhaps, even stop posting on the forums for awhile.

You're breaking site rules, and are deleted for such, whether you think it's right or wrong; the mods opinions, as law enforcers on this site, is correct.

<--- not a mod.

I am unbiased.


But, my decision was reviewed by another mod, at the time of deletion.

Also, to clarify, we can delete people for whatever we deem appropriete, as this is a private website. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you take it up with admin@nationstates.net

Give it up, FWS, the mods obviously said you are in the wrong. Move on, perhaps, even stop posting on the forums for awhile.

You're breaking site rules, and are deleted for such, whether you think it's right or wrong; the mods opinions, as law enforcers on this site, is correct.

<--- not a mod.


Under current US law that was no threat... The mod is obviously pulling his outside biases into his decision... I bet if I was a card-carrying communist it would have altered his decision....

That was totally unfair to delete me...

That was no threat... Opinions are not threats... A threat must cause fear...

Does he really think he is going to be gassed?

I want this decision reviewed by an unbiased mod.


You cannot delete somebody just because you don't like their politics...

Under the law (I've taken classes on Law) That was no threat.



Their site, there rules Amercain Democracy doesnt apply here


(and yes, im an Americain)

I am unbiased.


But, my decision was reviewed by another mod, at the time of deletion.

It wasn't a threat... Merely an opinion.
And if you noticed I hadn't posted in that forum for the last hour or so because I realized it was getting to intense in there... I don't want flaming arguments and name-calling.

According to dictionary.com, a threat is an expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment. According to your comment, you said you were going to inflict injury and evil. You broke the rules by threatening him, so you got the DEAT.

(not a moderator)

*laughs*

Keep questioning the staff FWS, and Im certain they will track your IP and delete all your nations.

According to dictionary.com, a threat is an expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment. According to your comment, you said you were going to inflict injury and evil. You broke the rules by threatening him, so you got the DEAT.

(not a moderator)


When did I say "I WILL DO THIS TO YOU"

I said "You're the kind that should be sent to a camp."

Hardly a threat.

Does he really think he is in danger of being sent to a camp?

threat (thrµt) n. 1. An expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment. 2. An indication of impending danger or harm. 3. One that is regarded as a possible danger; a menace.

Give it up, FWS, the mods obviously said you are in the wrong. Move on, perhaps, even stop posting on the forums for awhile.

You're breaking site rules, and are deleted for such, whether you think it's right or wrong; the mods opinions, as law enforcers on this site, is correct.

<--- not a mod.


Under current US law that was no threat... The mod is obviously pulling his outside biases into his decision... I bet if I was a card-carrying communist it would have altered his decision....

And why exactly do you think that? Do you claim to know what my political opinions are?

Give it up, FWS, the mods obviously said you are in the wrong. Move on, perhaps, even stop posting on the forums for awhile.

You're breaking site rules, and are deleted for such, whether you think it's right or wrong; the mods opinions, as law enforcers on this site, is correct.

<--- not a mod.


Under current US law that was no threat... The mod is obviously pulling his outside biases into his decision... I bet if I was a card-carrying communist it would have altered his decision....

And why exactly do you think that? Do you claim to know what my political opinions are?


It was no threat... An opinion is no threat... I am being railroaded for being a rightist... Although I've always been hassled...

I'd say that was pretty malicious - see Whited Fields's contribution above. I have no problem with people expressing their opinions, and I have never been one to run to the mods. However, I do expect a certain level of civility in the debates in which I engage. As I see it, my complaint was secondary to someone who you said overtly should be gassed.

Also they baited me into arguing and such... I abstained from the name-calling and cursing that they indulged in.

I'd say that was pretty malicious - see Whited Fields's contribution above. I have no problem with people expressing their opinions, and I have never been one to run to the mods. However, I do expect a certain level of civility in the debates in which I engage. As I see it, my complaint was secondary to someone who you said overtly should be gassed.


Gassed with what though? That is the question... You could be gassed with helium to make you laugh because I think you have no sense of humor... See you don't know what I meant because you are not me... You may never know what I meant.

Let's get this straight. You are not being "railroaded," I could care less what your opinions are, and you have no clue what my politcal leanings are. I determined you to be in violation of Nationstates Terms Of Service, and as you have already had an account deleted, you do not get second chances. Thusly, I acted as any moderator would, and deleted you.

Let's get this straight. You are not being "railroaded," I could care less what your opinions are, and you have no clue what my politcal leanings are. I determined you to be in violation of Nationstates Terms Of Service, and as you have already had an account deleted, you do not get second chances. Thusly, I acted as any moderator would, and deleted you.


Oh well... I guess we just have different opinions on what a threat is... My opinion goes along with current US legal definitions... Oh well...

What the courts have found is that in order for a threat to -- for speech, for words alone to constitute a threat, this is from United States v. Kelner, which is a second circuit case, that the threat:

"on its face and in the circumstances which it is made is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate and specific as to the person threatened as to convey a gravity of purpose, imminent prospect of execution."

-- Barry Steinhardt, in his opening statement to the MTTLR Jake Baker debate.


http://www.mit.edu:8001/activities/safe/safe/cases/umich-baker-story/Baker/legal/threat.html


I find it highly unlikely he felt an immediate fear that rightists were going to drag him off and gas him.

Not a mod, and painfully new, but...

The statement "I'm going to kill you" (for instance) would be taken by any reasonable person as a threat, whether a time and place is mentioned or not. Therefore, statement of time and place cannot reasonably be applied to what does and does not constitute a threat in general. While you did not make this statement specifically, your defense regarding a lack of locality and specific timeframe therefore seems to lack merit.

Additionally, as stated above, this is a privately owned board. The owner and his appointed representatives technically have the right to delete whoever they want, whenever they want, and without need to show proof of wrongdoing. Certain rules have been put into place regarding the fair treatment of participants in order to make this a more enjoyable experience for all. This does not necessarily mean that you are free to state anything you wish here without fear of consequence any more than I could walk into a McDonald's and talk about gassing the counterman or my fellow customers without fear of consequence.

Finally, and I have seen this stated numerous times to many people in many threads...this is a free website. You are getting what you pay for. If you do not like how the rules are established or enforced here, it surprises me that you waste your time visiting this site. This couldn't possibly be the only forum in the world to explore the possibility of a Nazi or otherwise fascist society.

Will you stop talking in accordance with the US Law, FWS? This site is not bound by US Law, and there may be laws in, say, Australia where the site was created, or the UK, where it will soon be hosted, that refer to your sentences as 'threat's.

I much as I disagree with just about every bigotous idea that i find in your posts FWS, i will agree that stating that stating YOUR opinion on what should be done with a person is hardly and open threat if worded right.

However, I also feel that putting in one-line posts that seem to have little or no redeeming value other than a veiled indication of your wish for someone's horrible death is more of an intellectual surrender than a threat. After all, it can be assumed that you have no counter-point or defence to anything that was presented, so rather than admit defeat or even use the common strategy of taking the argument in another direction, you slide a zingger that if put in the proper historic and cultural context can be offensive.

Childish? Yes.
Cowardly? Yes.
Stupid? Indeed.
Degrading and demeaning to everything you claim to stand for an all those who might haphazrdly stand with you? Very much so.

But grounds for deletion? Maybe not.

However, since (as mentioned before) this is a private website, we are all at the mercy of the Moderators. Caio.

I have to agree with FWS on this one. It was hardly a threat because he said "you should be". He didn't say, "i am going to."

If I may kindly ask a question to the mods out of curiosity? How come Italia Irredenta was deleted?

If I may kindly ask a question to the mods out of curiosity? How come Italia Irredenta was deleted?

For being FWs and not letting an argument die


did i get it?

it was FWS

If I may kindly ask a question to the mods out of curiosity? How come Italia Irredenta was deleted?

Italia Irredenta was FWS's umm...previous or third nation...they probably blocked his ISP or email address so technically he can't use the same computer to be able to play NS...

If I may kindly ask a question to the mods out of curiosity? How come Italia Irredenta was deleted?

Italia Irredenta was FWS's umm...previous or third nation...they probably blocked his ISP or email address so technically he can't use the same computer to be able to play NS...

As far sa I'm certain, mods don't block emails, and IP address bans are referred to [violet].

Unfortunately, when it comes to banning someone on their ISP, it is not always a sure and certain act.

Having worked as a Network Administrator for another site, and having been a moderator at a site that no longer exists, I know that IP addresses change for anyone on a dial-up connection.

That being said, FWS:
Suppose we agree that the statement you made was not threatening. I still believe, and as shown by the moderators of this site, the statement was malicious. Additionally, your use of terms like "leftist" and "card-carrying communist" are also deragatory in intention. Those are both unacceptable types of posts and therefore your account deletion can be upheld on those points alone.

Unfortunately, when it comes to banning someone on their ISP, it is not always a sure and certain act.

Having worked as a Network Administrator for another site, and having been a moderator at a site that no longer exists, I know that IP addresses change for anyone on a dial-up connection.

That being said, FWS:
Suppose we agree that the statement you made was not threatening. I still believe, and as shown by the moderators of this site, the statement was malicious. Additionally, your use of terms like "leftist" and "card-carrying communist" are also deragatory in intention. Those are both unacceptable types of posts and therefore your account deletion can be upheld on those points alone.

I agree with some of what you say about FWS. I also disagree with FWS and his views. But he has been called a lot of names. Nobody really cares though.
Why was Italia Irredenta deleted? What did he do?

Unfortunately, when it comes to banning someone on their ISP, it is not always a sure and certain act.

Having worked as a Network Administrator for another site, and having been a moderator at a site that no longer exists, I know that IP addresses change for anyone on a dial-up connection.

That being said, FWS:
Suppose we agree that the statement you made was not threatening. I still believe, and as shown by the moderators of this site, the statement was malicious. Additionally, your use of terms like "leftist" and "card-carrying communist" are also deragatory in intention. Those are both unacceptable types of posts and therefore your account deletion can be upheld on those points alone.

I agree with some of what you say about FWS. I also disagree with FWS and his views. But he has been called a lot of names. Nobody really cares though.
Why was Italia Irredenta deleted? What did he do?

Italia Irredenta was an FWS puppet.

So that would mean that there is now a DOS order for his nations?

(not a moderator)

So that would mean that there is now a DOS order for his nations?

(not a moderator)

Eh... What can I say... I just don't die...

I take that quick deletion as an answer to my question.

I'd say that was pretty malicious - see Whited Fields's contribution above. I have no problem with people expressing their opinions, and I have never been one to run to the mods. However, I do expect a certain level of civility in the debates in which I engage. As I see it, my complaint was secondary to someone who you said overtly should be gassed.


Gassed with what though? That is the question... You could be gassed with helium to make you laugh because I think you have no sense of humor... See you don't know what I meant because you are not me... You may never know what I meant.

Yeah, I can see your point, who knows with all those racist statements and talk of CONCENTRATION CAMPS going around? It could have been completely innocent.

Really, do you really think that anyone here is that stupid? You're a fascist, yet you can't abide punishment according to the rules? Thank you, Karmabaijan, for keeping standards up in the General Forum.

I'd say that was pretty malicious - see Whited Fields's contribution above. I have no problem with people expressing their opinions, and I have never been one to run to the mods. However, I do expect a certain level of civility in the debates in which I engage. As I see it, my complaint was secondary to someone who you said overtly should be gassed.


Gassed with what though? That is the question... You could be gassed with helium to make you laugh because I think you have no sense of humor... See you don't know what I meant because you are not me... You may never know what I meant.

Yeah, I can see your point, who knows with all those racist statements and talk of CONCENTRATION CAMPS going around? It could have been completely innocent.

Really, do you really think that anyone here is that stupid? You're a fascist, yet you can't abide punishment according to the rules? Thank you, Karmabaijan, for keeping standards up in the General Forum.


The rules are not being enforced properly... We are seeing a left wing slant and I get railroaded.

I'd say that was pretty malicious - see Whited Fields's contribution above. I have no problem with people expressing their opinions, and I have never been one to run to the mods. However, I do expect a certain level of civility in the debates in which I engage. As I see it, my complaint was secondary to someone who you said overtly should be gassed.


Gassed with what though? That is the question... You could be gassed with helium to make you laugh because I think you have no sense of humor... See you don't know what I meant because you are not me... You may never know what I meant.

Yeah, I can see your point, who knows with all those racist statements and talk of CONCENTRATION CAMPS going around? It could have been completely innocent.

Really, do you really think that anyone here is that stupid? You're a fascist, yet you can't abide punishment according to the rules? Thank you, Karmabaijan, for keeping standards up in the General Forum.


The rules are not being enforced properly... We are seeing a left wing slant and I get railroaded.

The rules are the rules for a reason. It protects the integrity of the forums. You, of all people, ought to be able to respect that.

This is the last I'll say on it, though. I felt it relevant to pointout he inony.

You, being a studier of law, must surely know that ban evasion is a CRIMINAL offense, and your actions can be reported to your ISP for discontinuation of service as well as prosecution for the act.

I would wholly suggest that you stop your actions.

I'd say that was pretty malicious - see Whited Fields's contribution above. I have no problem with people expressing their opinions, and I have never been one to run to the mods. However, I do expect a certain level of civility in the debates in which I engage. As I see it, my complaint was secondary to someone who you said overtly should be gassed.


Gassed with what though? That is the question... You could be gassed with helium to make you laugh because I think you have no sense of humor... See you don't know what I meant because you are not me... You may never know what I meant.

Yeah, I can see your point, who knows with all those racist statements and talk of CONCENTRATION CAMPS going around? It could have been completely innocent.

Really, do you really think that anyone here is that stupid? You're a fascist, yet you can't abide punishment according to the rules? Thank you, Karmabaijan, for keeping standards up in the General Forum.


The rules are not being enforced properly... We are seeing a left wing slant and I get railroaded.

The rules are the rules for a reason. It protects the integrity of the forums. You, of all people, ought to be able to respect that.

This is the last I'll say on it, though. I felt it relevant to pointout he inony.

I respect true law and order... Now biased leftist persecution though... Anyway... I'm getting tired of this deletion game so I think I'll go...

Anyway... I'm getting tired of this deletion game so I think I'll go...


No offense but

w00t w00t

Wow. Karma really racked up those DEATs tonight!

In the interests of transparency, a DoS has been set in place against FWS, as if you couldn't tell.


http://pages.slu.edu/org/karmazin/karmasigbig.jpg

FWS deated again: This calls for a classic White Sox anthem for when the opposing pitcher was taken out after being rocked (a tradition started by Harry (holy cow) Caray)

Na na, na na na, Hey Hey GOODBYE!

come on sing along with me.

No need to gloat about his deletion. As in, don't do it.

Well as lovely as that sounds, I think its time we leave this issue alone. Its been handled and there is no reason to continue pressing the facts.

Perhaps the mods can erase his multiple posts from the forum?

No need to gloat about his deletion. As in, don't do it.
sorry

Yeah, a lock on this thread may be best by now.

According to dictionary.com, a threat is an expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment. According to your comment, you said you were going to inflict injury and evil. You broke the rules by threatening him, so you got the DEAT.

(not a moderator)


When did I say "I WILL DO THIS TO YOU"

I said "You're the kind that should be sent to a camp."

Hardly a threat.

Does he really think he is in danger of being sent to a camp?

threat (thrµt) n. 1. An expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment. 2. An indication of impending danger or harm. 3. One that is regarded as a possible danger; a menace.Your specified a person or group, and a malcious act. That's a threat.

Sorry FWS, but if I were you I'd take the advice I've been giving you for ages now and lay low for awhile.

Sorry FWS, but if I were you I'd take the advice I've been giving you for ages now and lay low for awhile.
There's a DoS order on his head now. He's not coming back.

(not a moderator)

what is a DoS?

It's kind of sad to see him go. He wasn't all bad.

what is a DoS?Delete on sight.

That is happening frequently, lately. :cry:

It's almost a shame really. If he had cleaned up his act he might have had potential.

So ? At least it means moderation are weeding them out.

So ? At least it means moderation are weeding them out.

Well, I think they are enforcing the rules very harsh. People are getting paranoid, because we get warnings for almost nothing. Two warnings and you are deleted. After the first warning, you are branded for the rest of your time. If your thread smells like spam, you´re deleted, after your first warning. I already knew this was a dictatorship, but I think it is getting out of hand. I am almost scared to post anything at all. My English is not so good, so I might be flaming, trolling or spamming before I know it. I can point you a thread in which I almost got deleted twice for the word `duh`. Not even with an exclamation mark.

So ? At least it means moderation are weeding them out.I can point you a thread in which I almost got deleted twice for the word `duh`. Not even with an exclamation mark.Are you serious? Please show me.

Are you serious? Please show me.

Little Dragon is my puppet :wink:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=141730&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Uh-huh, yes, well, hardly for me to judge or comment, so will restrain myself with a simply "Moderation Move In Mysterious Ways And Reason" or something like that,

:wink:

Uh-huh, yes, well, hardly for me to judge or comment, so will restrain myself with a simply "Moderation Move In Mysterious Ways And Reason" or something like that,

:wink:

It's still a game. It's not like it's the end of the world. 95% of the time critisism on mod behaviour is not justified. End of story.

Exactly right, 95 % hell, even 99 % of what flack Moderation are seen to take is not justified, and the 5 % to 1 % is usually only stemming from what is resulting from their innocent human error any-way. I'm yet to see any flack a moderator takes being justified. Certain moderators being reffered to as "gay as in happy" strikes my memory ...

End of " Authors Thanks " bit ... :wink:

- T.R. Kom.

I think that people are over-reacting to the guy here, I really do. God, I've had that sort of thing thrown at me and it's never caused me to run to a Mod. Why get worked up? It's not as if it matters...still, c'est la vie.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151794&start=60

Here you'll find FascistWhiteStates making two death threats, one against myself and one against BodiesWithoutOrgans (as I recall). I don't recall that saying that a fellow forum goer should be gassed is proper form for General.

...I think this is all pretty ridiculous really... all sides of the arguments. But that's just me :?

Wow, I thought FWS had been IP banned a long time ago...

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151794&start=60

Here you'll find FascistWhiteStates making two death threats, one against myself and one against BodiesWithoutOrgans (as I recall). I don't recall that saying that a fellow forum goer should be gassed is proper form for General.

...I think this is all pretty ridiculous really... all sides of the arguments. But that's just me :?

Yeah...whatever happened to "IGNORE THEM!"