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I didn't realize RPing a disguised invasion would cause him to flip out. :cry: 1,000 apologies mods.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150761
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150762
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150739&start=40

OH HOW SWEET... PLAY KISS ASS TO THE MODS


"LOOK AT ME... I AM AMF... I AM SO GODDAMN LARGE.... I CAN DO NO WRONG.. WHO CARES IF FWS HAS MILLIONS OF CITIZENS WITH GUNS... THEY'RE ALL GONE... YIPPIE... THE RACIST ASSHOLE IS DEAD."

Again, if I was out of line in any way I deeply apologize. I contacted Karma on IRC to help clear this up, but it obviously didn't work.

I was about to start reviewing the linked topics when another Moderator deleted FWS.

I'll figure out which topics to unlock again in a moment.

Second time trying to post this. iHateTheServer.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

AMF,

Considering the course of events, and I already posted this question in my own topic here on FWS...what happens ICly? I mean, do you need to kill his entire population, or could you say your occupying it, or are we just going to pretend none of this ever happens.

In any case, I wanna stabilize relations between our nations. I feel sorry that FWS is gone, but I'm not risking a relations breakdown with a nation your size, a quite respected one mind you, because of a flamer.

iHateTheServer.



Word.

His puppet is on the loose too.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150782
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150776

I think FWS is using his puppet state Mobutoland to merely continue his flames and so forth, see these:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150782
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150786

Heh, sorry AMF.

iHateTheServer.



Word.

Don't blame the server. It's been overworked for the past year. I actually feel sorry for it.

One the other hand, it's taken me fourty minutes to get this post submited..

Okay, Fascist White States's behavior was completely unacceptable and he was deleted by another Moderator for it.

However, blame does not solely rest with him.

Automagfreek, for someone who has been playing NationStates for a long time, I am sorely disappointed with your behavior and you are hereby officially warned for flamebaiting.

I'm going to remind you of a few things:

Everyone listen up: This same advice goes for everyone.

First, all players are expected to treat each other with respect. If another player steps out-of-line, you have three legal options:

1) Respond to them in a calm, respectful manner.
2) Silently ignore them. Keyword: "Silently"
3) Report their behavior to the Moderators and move on to something else.

Someone else's bad behavior does not excuse or justify your own bad behavior. "Think about it for a moment."

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Second, anger and posting don't mix. If you feel angry, then take a break away from the game and do something else. NationStates is only a game; it is supposed to be fun. If it isn't fun, then there is a serious problem. "Think about it for a moment."

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Third, roleplay, as I understand it, is a mix of writing a story and playing a game. Consequently, it is supposed to be something of a cooperative and collaborative effort. Even though the In-Character parts have conflict, that shouldn't spill over into Out-Of-Character attitudes.

"Bullshit. Take your beating like a man. You aren't godmodding your way out of this." is unacceptable.

"Dude, you're a total puss. Stop crying and godmodding and fight like a man you dolt." is unacceptable.

"Stop being a friggin' child and RP it out." is unacceptable.

Declaring victory over someone who godmods is likely to antagonize that person and make a bad situation worse. If someone godmods, then silently ignore them or make a post saying "I've chosen to ignore this topic." DON'T declare victory as this constitutes taunting, which I take a very dim view of.

If someone has a serious problem with the roleplay you've posted, then be prepared to discuss the matter calmly and amicably. It may be necessary for you to retract your roleplay in favor of a compromised arrangement. If no compromise can be reached, then agree to disagree and declare any affected roleplay null and void, without either victory or defeat.

Again, NationStates is a game; games are supposed to be fun. If it isn't fun for one or more players, then there's a serious problem. The concept "Play Nice" applies here. Whether or not the other participants are enjoying the activity as much as you are is key. "Think about it for a moment."

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...and in case anyone reading this topic missed my most general piece of advice, I'll repeat it here: "Think about it for a moment."

If you forget, you can find it on my national page. It's my national motto.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator

FPS suggests that all threads made by FWS or his puppets be locked, and then deleted. None of them have anything but flaming on them. Except my Star Trek Joke post. What did you guys think of it anyway?

The sad part is when people look back on this, they will only remember FWS spamming and flaming, they won't remember how I managed to set FWS up in quite possibly the finest trap ever devised. All my effort and time typing those posts is now overshadowed by the flaming and spamming that took place......

And no one will care about the fact that a possibly good rper was banned. But that's life. The true tragedys are ignored, the major ones stared at.

Automagfreek, for someone who has been playing NationStates for a long time, I am sorely disappointed with your behavior and you are hereby officially warned for flamebaiting.


I understand, that's why I stopped replying. Refer back to the first post in this thread where I clearly apologized for my behavior. I contacted Karma almost instantly on IRC when things started getting out of control.

I don't think I did anything wrong to deserve a warning for flamebaiting, I tried to get the topics locked. I understand that I didn't need to say those things, but I've seen other mods that RP lose control when incidents like this occur. I'm not using this as an excuse for my behavior, but things like this happen when RP's turn sour.

I won't contest this any longer, as I have apologized for my behavior several times already.

The sad part is when people look back on this, they will only remember FWS spamming and flaming, they won't remember how I managed to set FWS up in quite possibly the finest trap ever devised. All my effort and time typing those posts is now overshadowed by the flaming and spamming that took place......

I'll remember the trap he put himself into and how the table turned when I sent you the TG from him. I will also remember how you anhialated him and he escaped the perfect attack with time travel.

And no one will care about the fact that a possibly good rper was banned. But that's life. The true tragedys are ignored, the major ones stared at.

Well, he isn't banned yet. He's cruising for a forum IP ban if he keeps flipping out via puppets, but as things stand right now, he's welcome to make a new nation and start over.

NationStates Moderators
Received: 7 minutes ago
You are officially warned for flamebaiting. Please see your topic about FWS in "Moderation" for an explanation. --The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Was this really necessary? I clearly asked the mods for help before this even started, and I've stated that I was sorry for my actions.

I'd like to hear from Karma or Siri on this, as I went to both of them first.

And no one will care about the fact that a possibly good rper was banned. But that's life. The true tragedys are ignored, the major ones stared at.

Well, he isn't banned yet. He's cruising for a forum IP ban if he keeps flipping out via puppets, but as things stand right now, he's welcome to make a new nation and start over.

Somehow, I doubt he will be back, banned or not. But that's just as much his fault as everyone elses. Heck, I take some responsibility for it myself, I should of immediatly gone running to the moderation forum when things started heating up, instead I decided that those there could handle. I feel like one of those people who says "It was just a fight...I didn't think I needed to call the cops" when talking about a murdur. Of course, this isn't that serious, but you get the idea.

Of course, one the other hand, FWS could be silently laughing at my post right now, and playing on as a puppet with a totally diffirent storyline elsewhere, acting like he didn't even know the player behind his own nation, FWS...

In fact, in the scope of things, anyone could be FWS. I could be him. AMF could be him. YOU could be him. :shock: It could be Max's scree name...no, it couldn't...but you get the idea. This could all be a set up...my God, their out to get me! I'll never go quietly, you here me Agent Smith! NEVER!! :twisted:

Apologizes in advance for making the joke in the last paragraph.

Oh, and great post, Cogitation. It really got me thinking about what NS is, and how I'm involved in it. And of course, it made me realize I really want to be more involved in it.

NationStates Moderators
Received: 7 minutes ago
You are officially warned for flamebaiting. Please see your topic about FWS in "Moderation" for an explanation. --The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Was this really necessary? I clearly asked the mods for help before this even started, and I've stated that I was sorry for my actions.

I'd like to hear from Karma or Siri on this, as I went to both of them first.

Heh, it's just Cog being thorough as usual :lol:

Was this really necessary? I clearly asked the mods for help before this even started, and I've stated that I was sorry for my actions.

I'd like to hear from Karma or Siri on this, as I went to both of them first.

Heh, it's just Cog being thorough as usual :lol:

Yeah, I'm just being thorough.

The forums are frequently non-responsive, so the chances are pretty high that you wouldn't be able to load this topic or see an official warning posted herein. I didn't want you to be caught unawares merely because the forums were uncooperative again. "Warning? What warning? When was I issued a warning?"

iHate the server.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

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Third, roleplay, as I understand it, is a mix of writing a story and playing a game. Consequently, it is supposed to be something of a cooperative and collaborative effort. Even though the In-Character parts have conflict, that shouldn't spill over into Out-Of-Character attitudes.


I just thought I'd point something out.

Alot of time (mostly in International Incidents you'll find this) RP is more of a competition. Most of the time wars are not something that is usualy planned out before hand (in I.I at least. I say this because I've been hanging around there alot), and therefore the only way to win is to "one-up" eachother. That's where the potential for OOC conflict lies. If 1 player posts something that is not feasable or does not accept a certain attack, tensions will rise. This happens alot and even moderators that RP will do this sometimes, because there is nothing more frustrating than spending half your day on an RP just to have it either ruined or blown off because the other person isn't willing to accept it regardless of how legit it is. I certainly didn't want to spend my entire afternoon plotting and writing just to have it ruined, nobody would.

As I've stated before, this is not an excuse for me getting hot under the collar, but I'm saying this so you'll try to understand why things get so out of hand sometimes in I.I.

Ok. FWS also asked me to relay this message to you, Free Pacific States.

He says that he isn't laughing, but that he wishes you well.

Ok. FWS also asked me to relay this message to you, Free Pacific States.

He says that he isn't laughing, but that he wishes you well.
Tell him I wish him the same. And somehow, I couldn't imagine him laughing in the first place...this wasn't exactly a laughing matter. It's really too bad it spun outa control the way it did.

calm down man. Or you will get yourself ip banned.



WHAT THE f--- DO YOU THINK I'M TRYING TO DO.


THEN WHEN I'M DONE... I'LL GO DRINK MYSELF STUPID AND DRIVE TO CANADA.

Um, either FWS is a total dumbass, a total ass, or I am very, very confused...

He got fed up with noone liking racists so he decided that he didn't like the game community. I guess though, that once someone started him off on the godmod spree, its impossible to stop except lose. If we (I was part of the first Coalition) then he would just gloat over us. People need to realise it can be fun losing as well as winning.

Sometimes it is better to do RPing on an private site. Another warning, and you may lose all the time you've put in your nation Automagfreek.

Well, I don't want to start another thread on this whole topic, but I don't think that FWS would have responded in that way, had he not been deliberately mis-informed to believe that once AMF was finished, it'd be over. The big recycle bin in the sky. He decided that if his nation was to die, he'd go out with a bang. (Highly selfish, in regards to the precious bandwidth, but if someone (unified Sith) hadn't made him believe that this was the end, it would have been likely that FWS would not have ended his own nation. Perhaps this should be looked into.

Hogsweat, I disagreed with him on many levels, but I have to say that given the above, and the conversation I had with him, regarding the incident (over msn) lead me to believe that it was not like you say. He was just picking on the most common factor that people (including myself) disagree with him on, and magnified it until deletion point, to deprive anyone of the satisfaction of removing him. (Not of victory, AMF. I believe, as I have made clear, that he would have fought you had it not been for Siths lies.)

AYe, I don't think that anyone pobjected to him being a fascist, I don't think many objected to the racism either; it was part of his character. What drove people nuts was his godmodding and his aggressiveness. It's a shame, since he could have been a good RPer, had he not been so damn arrogant all the time.

Sometimes it is better to do RPing on an private site. Another warning, and you may lose all the time you've put in your nation Automagfreek.

Please don't speculate about my deletion. You aren't a moderator.

Thanks.

Isn't this thread finished? FWS was deleted, you guys win, can we get a lock here?

AYe, I don't think that anyone pobjected to him being a fascist, I don't think many objected to the racism either; it was part of his character.

I'll stick my hand up here and say that I found both his racism and fascism objectionable. Whether they were merely IC or actually OOC positions held by FWS I don't know, but it is possible to mouth both IC without causing this confusion and generating such ill-feeling. Having said that, as far as I understand it, there is nothing in the rules of this site which forbid holding and expressing views in support of fascism and racism.

Isn't this thread finished? FWS was deleted, you guys win, can we get a lock here?

But why lock it, when it can still be discussed?

Oh, and earlier warnings were mentioned...exactly how does the warning system work?

"LOOK AT ME... I AM AMF... I AM SO GODDAMN LARGE.... I CAN DO NO WRONG.That is sooo going to be my sig from now on.

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LOOK AT ME... I AM AMF... I AM SO GODDAMN LARGE.... I CAN DO NO WRONG.

FWS lives... he has resurrected himself as FascistWhiteStates.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151684

FWS lives... he has resurrected himself as FascistWhiteStates.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151684Yeah, I know. Huzzah! I root for him simply because he opposed AMF.

..... :shock:

You got away for a few days...and my lord!!!

FWS FLIPPED OUT

Mod calls on himself, blatent flamming....his jokes, in the end, werent even his normal attempt at wit it was just... :shock:

Im just stunned that someone could take such a nosedive off the sanity meter

FWS lives... he has resurrected himself as FascistWhiteStates.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151684Yeah, I know. Huzzah! I root for him simply because he opposed AMF.

But look where that got him ICly (and what my IC action did to him OOCly).