NationStates Jolt Archive

I have apparently been kicked out of the UN permanently. I received a telegram stating that "This nation has been determined to be in breach of UN rules, which allow you to only have one nation in the UN at any given time. It has thus been ejected and barred from re-joining." I do not have multiple nations, and no one else who uses this computer plays NS, so I can't see how this conclusion was reached.

Perhaps the message reason was incorrect and the real reason I was booted is because I made the proposal to "Repeal all previous UN decisions," which has been deleted by the mods. I was also sent a message that it was not allowed, and thus deleted.

Being permanently removed from the UN for such an action seems overly harsh, particularly as this was the first proposal I have ever submitted. I ask you to reconsider.

The Empire of Levius

The punishment for repealment proposals is ejection. Read the announcement.

I believe the penalty for repeals is so high because so many people do it. But you do need a mod's opinion. Perhaps you should post in moderation.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
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This guy is a friend of mine and I know he only has one nation. Must have booted him for his first UN proposal ever. :(

As you can see by my number of posts, I don't spend a lot of time in the forums, and hadn't seen the topic regarding "no proposals to repeal decisions" or I wouldn't have made such a proposal. I DID read the FAQ and terms & conditions linked from the top of the UN page, and it only stated no offensive proposals and no proposals that change game mechanics. Since the resolutions don't actually effect the nations, they are just listed in the resolutions area, I didn't think this would change game mechanics. The FAQ also does not state that you will be removed from the UN for making such suggestions, only for having multiple UN nations, which I do not and should be easy to prove if you check logins from my IP.

Proposals do affect member nations. There is a link to the rules on the proposal submission page.

If there is, I can't check, since I no longer have access to the proposal submission page.

As you can see by my number of posts, I don't spend a lot of time in the forums, and hadn't seen the topic regarding "no proposals to repeal decisions" or I wouldn't have made such a proposal. I DID read the FAQ and terms & conditions linked from the top of the UN page, and it only stated no offensive proposals and no proposals that change game mechanics. Since the resolutions don't actually effect the nations, they are just listed in the resolutions area, I didn't think this would change game mechanics. The FAQ also does not state that you will be removed from the UN for making such suggestions, only for having multiple UN nations, which I do not and should be easy to prove if you check logins from my IP.

Levius,

I'm sorry you got booted for this proposal (I wish I could understand why they gave you a false reason for it initially, if that's what happened, but that's another story). It sounds as though you've been wounded by your inexperience and lack of information. And maybe by an unwillingness to be flexible on the part of the Powers That Be.

However, I have learned from your experience. Just knowing that this kind of thing could happen, I can't help feeling as though the world of NationStates has grown a little smaller, as if martial law has been declared.

How sad.

Of course I'd love to sit around and chat, well of course I'd love to stay and chew the fat, but someone's listening in...

I have this sudden urge to go and hunt down every rule however obscure, and however securely concealed in the unlit basements of derelict buildings with their staircases removed, just in case there are regulations poised to jump up and savage my posterior parts. For all I know, just sympathizing with you is going to get a black mark in my J Edgar Hoover file here.

And the likelihood that I'll ever try to contribute to game play by making a UN proposal, thus risking such obscure offences as placing my proposal in the wrong category or proposing something that could be construed as attempting to repeal anything, has diminished considerably.

Peace,

PT

Is there even a remote chance of my nation being reinstated in the UN?

Thanks for the empathy Pure Though :)

I note that in the "Care to explain yourselves?" thread, the moderator Reploid Productions says "Proposals in the wrong category, or that suggest game mechanics changes, or are repeals of previous resolutions will, upon accumulating enough strikes, get you booted from the UN."

Is one strike enough to be booted? I was telegrammed a warning that repeals resolutions are not allowed moments before being booted. I have no intention of doing it again, and wouldn't even if I had not been booted.

If there is, I can't check, since I no longer have access to the proposal submission page.

You can try to go directly via this link:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=77286

Interesting reading. Very interesting. I also wondered about the relevance to the "Care to explain yourselves?" thread...

Peace,

PT

I note that in the "Care to explain yourselves?" thread, the moderator Reploid Productions says "Proposals in the wrong category, or that suggest game mechanics changes, or are repeals of previous resolutions will, upon accumulating enough strikes, get you booted from the UN."

Is one strike enough to be booted? I was telegrammed a warning that repeals resolutions are not allowed moments before being booted. I have no intention of doing it again, and wouldn't even if I had not been booted.

One other thing. According to that link I posted in the previous message, I'm going to guess that you aren't going to see the inside of the UN hq anytime before the end of the world, no matter what the circumstances. the mod who formulated those rules, Enodia, was asked a question about whether there was any possibility of restoration in the future. This was the answer:


"It can be done - all that a Game Mod would need to do is to clear one of the lines of information in your nation's file, then you'd be able to re-join the UN.
"As for whether it will be done, in your or anybody else's case where the ejection was not made in error, I wouldn't exactly hold my breath. You can give me all the assurances you want that you won't break the rules again, but the fact that you did so to begin with is the problem."

As far as I could see, Enodia tended to be more flexible and understanding than some other mods, but still would, or could, offer no way past the angel with the flaming sword. (Also as far as I can see, Enodia is now not only ex-mod but ex-nation. Too reasonable perhaps?)

In summary, whereas there are some planets whose laws derive from things like the Code of Hammurabi, the Mosaic Law, or the Roman jurisprudence, here in NS the law was handed down by King Drakos.

Peace,

PT

Interesting. Thanks for the info Pure Thought.