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where do these silly people get off locking threads they don't find amusing just because they don't contain any real content? MAYBE THAT'S HOW WE HAVE FUN! Gah! I mean, these killjoys seem to think that fun is forbidden by the forum rules. Where the hell does it say that I can't make a post which reads "eye-rack is hawt?" Does it offend somebody? I'd really like to know, so I can tell them to get used to it already.

DUN SENSER ME

If you find spam fun, there's other places you can do it.

If you find spam fun, there's other places you can do it.

Inane posts are not spam. That is a silly fallacy, and I dun like it. If Max or [violet] or whoever wants to forbid ridiculousness, then so be it. Until then, I'm going to keep not making sense, and I'm not gonna be the least bit sorry about it. Especially when I keep getting shut down by THE MAN

not another one of those... :roll:

not another one of those... :roll:

OMG R U SASSING ME

cute..
this might even get funny.

*grabs popcorn*

Hey, I asked you a question. R U SASSING ME? Just because it's not properly typed doesn't mean it's meaningless. If you're going to just sit around, please don't make snide remarks.

http://www.heathersanimations.com/webdesign2/01_05_b.gif (http://www.nationstates.net/pages/faq.html)

Hey, I asked you a question. R U SASSING ME? Just because it's not properly typed doesn't mean it's meaningless. If you're going to just sit around, please don't make snide remarks.

i'll tell you as soon as you tell me what it means :P

where do these silly people get off locking threads they don't find amusing just because they don't contain any real content?

Read the rules. That's called spam, and that my friend, is against site rules.

<--- not a mod.

http://www.heathersanimations.com/webdesign2/01_05_b.gif (http://www.nationstates.net/pages/faq.html)

cool animation


Hey, I asked you a question. R U SASSING ME? Just because it's not properly typed doesn't mean it's meaningless. If you're going to just sit around, please don't make snide remarks.

i'll tell you as soon as you tell me what it means :P

The letter R, as pronounced in American English, is phonetically identical to the word "are," which is the present-tense second-person plural conjugation of the verb "be."

The letter U, as pronounced in American English, is phonetically identical to the word "you," which is the second-person pronoun.

The word "SASSING" is a fully-capitalized version of the word "sassing," which is the present participle form of the verb "sass," which means "to speak disrespectfully to."

The word "ME" is a fully-capitalized version of the word "me," which is the first-person singular pronoun.

The symbol "?" is a question mark. It is redundant in this sentence, but I'll get to that in a moment. The question mark generally serves to confirm that a sentence is in the interrogative "mood."

This sentence is very close to a similar declarative one. "You are sassing me" states that you, as the subject, are speaking disrespectfully to me, the subject. Because the word "are" is in front, however, the entire construction becomes a question whose response determines whether you are or are not speaking disrespectfully to me.

Is that good?


where do these silly people get off locking threads they don't find amusing just because they don't contain any real content?

Read the rules. That's called spam, and that my friend, is against site rules.

<--- not a mod.

The word "spam," in my experience, refers to repetetive messages, especially advertisements. Ridiculousness is not the same as repetition; in fact, it usually has opposite connotations. I do not believe that inane posts are spam, or that I have broken the rules by submitting them.

The word "SASSING" is a fully-capitalized version of the word "sassing," which is the present participle form of the verb "sass," which means "to speak disrespectfully to."

Funny.

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy[/i]]Sass: know, be aware of, meet, have sex with;

I've got to go with the Guide here.

EDIT: BBCode

Think of the NS forums as New York City.
Then think of Max as the Mayor and the mods as the NYPD.
Now imagine that this is bizarro world in which NYC has become a Father Knows Best despotism, the Mayor reigns for life and the cops have absolute power.

"The law? We are the law!"

As in: Unless the mayor steps in and says "It doesn't taste like spam, Mr. Watson." you're pretty much on your own here. If the mods say "nu uh" then their word is law as .. surprisingly enough, they were chosen to interpret, represent and enforce said law.

Think of the NS forums as New York City.
Then think of Max as the Mayor and the mods as the NYPD.
Now imagine that this is bizarro world in which NYC has become a Father Knows Best despotism, the Mayor reigns for life and the cops have absolute power.

"The law? We are the law!"

As in: Unless the mayor steps in and says "It doesn't taste like spam, Mr. Watson." you're pretty much on your own here. If the mods say "nu uh" then their word is law as .. surprisingly enough, they were chosen to interpret, represent and enforce said law.

lol, yeah, they've been appointed to do that, but I'm not respecting their decisions if they're going to take action against threads and posts that don't violate any of the forum rules. If there's confusion among the mods about the definition of the word "spam," then the FAQ page should be changed for everyone's benefit.

Translation:

You will complain whenever we take action against your flavor of spam.
This site was formed--aside from being an advertising gimmick--to be primarily a place for political and international debate and roleplay. Even the description for General provides a context: "debate about anything and everything." If it does not fall within that context, then we reserve the authority to remove it, just like any private institution reserves the right to remove anyone who neglects its rules.

You have not paid to be here, nor has anyone else other than Mr. Barry. This extremely limits your "rights" to "what we say they are." If you find the current state of things distressing, nothing prevents you from expending the energy to find or create another site where your particular brand of fun is contextually appropriate. Most people manage to have fun within the context of this site. If you do not, then perhaps this site is not for you.

Now, I fully expect this post to cause another long, abusive IRC private-message rant about oh how evil and fascist I am and how evil and fascist all the moderators are and how we're worse than Stalinist Russia so on and so forth. You can bandy such nonsense about as much as you want. It will not change anything.

Now, I fully expect this post to cause another long, abusive IRC private-message rant about oh how evil and fascist I am and how evil and fascist all the moderators are and how we're worse than Stalinist Russia so on and so forth.

You mean, people actually do that here? :wink:

I think on region boards the delegate or founder should decided what is spam. I thought the puprose of forums was so that people could write as much as they want. If this problem only annoys the mods they cannot say it is wrong. It should be done on the majrity of people who play this game. I personally believe that people should be allowed to write as much as they want on forums.

Translation:

You will complain whenever we take action against your flavor of spam.
This site was formed--aside from being an advertising gimmick--to be primarily a place for political and international debate and roleplay. Even the description for General provides a context: "debate about anything and everything." If it does not fall within that context, then we reserve the authority to remove it, just like any private institution reserves the right to remove anyone who neglects its rules.

You have not paid to be here, nor has anyone else other than Mr. Barry. This extremely limits your "rights" to "what we say they are." If you find the current state of things distressing, nothing prevents you from expending the energy to find or create another site where your particular brand of fun is contextually appropriate. Most people manage to have fun within the context of this site. If you do not, then perhaps this site is not for you.

Now, I fully expect this post to cause another long, abusive IRC private-message rant about oh how evil and fascist I am and how evil and fascist all the moderators are and how we're worse than Stalinist Russia so on and so forth. You can bandy such nonsense about as much as you want. It will not change anything.

Again, let me remind you that ridiculousness does not equal spam. I have not found a single definition so far that disagrees. Of course I'm not looking very hard, but every definition I see says that "spam" requires it to be promotional. Try again.

By the way, I don't mind you mods so much that I want to leave NS; you just prevent me from enjoying myself on the forums, so I kvetch about it. I'm not under any delusion of control, and I understand my position perfectly. I'm not demanding anything from you; I don't have the authority or ability to coerce you. This particular episode concerns one particularly troublesome liberty taken by many of the mods, and I'm mostly just interested in seeing how people react. Especially the mods, who are more likely to feel compelled to justify the enforcement of non-existent forum rules.

I'm a little saddened that you think I'd harass you over IRC again for this, though. I thought we were reconciled? :(

Amerigo is a land of contrast

Again, let me remind you that ridiculousness does not equal spam.
That is the second moderator that I have seen in this thread that has said that rediculous posts are spam. Again, look back at the New York City analogy. The mods are the judge, jury, and sometimes executioner on NS. Their word is law, and if they say it's spam, it's spam. You can't really do too much to change it. You have already had two mods rule against you - what are you really trying to prove? The odds were against you when you betted and the house has seemed to have won. The rules are the rules. Even if they seem stupid or unfair, you have to live with them.

In RL (and NS), you can't petition to repeal every law you don't like. You have tried to change the rules, the mods have said no, so you just need to move on. If you want to take it a step further, you can e-mail [violet] at admin@nationstates.net. However, I wouln't suggest it as [violet] will most likely stick with the decision of the mods. I hope some of this helps you out.

(not a moderator myself)

Again, let me remind you that ridiculousness does not equal spam.
That is the second moderator that I have seen in this thread that has said that rediculous posts are spam. Again, look back at the New York City analogy. The mods are the judge, jury, and sometimes executioner on NS. Their word is law, and if they say it's spam, it's spam. You can't really do too much to change it. You have already had two mods rule against you - what are you really trying to prove? The odds were against you when you betted and the house has seemed to have won. The rules are the rules. Even if they seem stupid or unfair, you have to live with them.

In RL (and NS), you can't petition to repeal every law you don't like. You have tried to change the rules, the mods have said no, so you just need to move on. If you want to take it a step further, you can e-mail [violet] at admin@nationstates.net. However, I wouln't suggest it as [violet] will most likely stick with the decision of the mods. I hope some of this helps you out.

(not a moderator myself)

If this were slightly different, I'd agree. However, the word "spam" has a definite meaning, and ridiculous posts simply do not fall under it. It's arbitrary and needless. If they want to ban ridiculousness, then they should append the rules. It simply isn't good form to use a frequently-confused word and use it on a whim to justify unwarranted actions. If they make a rule against silliness, I'll disappear from the forums and probably never get in their hair again. It's the principle, joo know? A circle is not a square; silliness is not spam. It is not forbidden under the rules, and the mods are wrong to act as though it is.

This whole protest, however, isn't to change whether silliness is accepted or not by forum rules. It's to express frustration at the way the mods are simply making and enforcing their own de facto rule instead of getting it put on the FAQ and validated. As long as silliness is not prohibited, I'm going to be silly. The uncalled-for mod interference will not discourage me so long as their harassment is still "illegal."

Like I said in my first post, the mods have spoken and judgement has been past. If they say it's spam, it's spam. I'm sorry, but that's the way NationStates is. You just need to accept it, even if you think it's wrong. NS is a dictatorship (a Father Knows Best State) in many ways. In a dicatorship, you don't get too many appeals.

Since the mods will most likely continue to stand by their decision, continuing to debate in this thread is well, a futile attempt. Your last course of action would be to (like I said) e-mail [violet] at admin@nationstates.net and try and prove your case there.

(not a moderator)

Like I said in my first post, the mods have spoken and judgement has been past. If they say it's spam, it's spam. I'm sorry, but that's the way NationStates is. You just need to accept it, even if you think it's wrong. NS is a dictatorship (a Father Knows Best State) in many ways. In a dicatorship, you don't get too many appeals.

Since the mods will most likely continue to stand by their decision, continuing to debate in this thread is well, a futile attempt. Your last course of action would be to (like I said) e-mail [violet] at admin@nationstates.net and try and prove your case there.

(not a moderator)

They cannot change the meaning of the word just by pretending it means what they want it to mean. The definition of "spam" is absolute, at least for the time being. The only thing they are doing it falsely pretending that "spam" includes things that it simply does not. They are flexible; the meaning of the word "spam" is much less so.

This whole protest, however, isn't to change whether silliness is accepted or not by forum rules. It's to express frustration at the way the mods are simply making and enforcing their own de facto rule instead of getting it put on the FAQ and validated.

*wonders just how many times she's pointed this out since she became a mod* We would love to put it into the FAQ that inane, content-deprived silliness is considered as spam by us. (Did you know that the company that make Spam was trying to sue a ton of computer companies that market anti-spam software for copyright infringement, by the way?).

There's just one tiiiiiiiiny little bitty problem.

The mods can't change the FAQ or anything else on the site itself! Only Max Barry or [violet] can do this!

Inane silliness wouldn't be a big deal if the server was able to bear the load. I imagine once we're on Jolt, we'll relax on the silliness=spam thing because the forums will (in theory, at least) be accessible 24-7, instead of being sporadic at best.

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~Evil Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~Master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

By the way, Rep, isn't it past due for another purge?

No more purges! The forums been pretty clean recently.

If by 'clean' you mean "this is the first time I've been able to post all day and I'm really frustated with it" then sure...

I most sincerely doubt people will miss all the OMG IRAQQ!!!!oneone threads clogging up months' of space in General.

where do these silly people get off locking threads they don't find amusing just because they don't contain any real content? MAYBE THAT'S HOW WE HAVE FUN! Gah! I mean, these killjoys seem to think that fun is forbidden by the forum rules. Where the hell does it say that I can't make a post which reads "eye-rack is hawt?" Does it offend somebody? I'd really like to know, so I can tell them to get used to it already.

DUN SENSER ME

Funny you should post a anti mod message, as when the Farkers started coming into the game after teh link, you were the loudest voice calling for [violet] to add mods so that we could be easily deleted and banned.

This whole protest, however, isn't to change whether silliness is accepted or not by forum rules. It's to express frustration at the way the mods are simply making and enforcing their own de facto rule instead of getting it put on the FAQ and validated.

*wonders just how many times she's pointed this out since she became a mod* We would love to put it into the FAQ that inane, content-deprived silliness is considered as spam by us.

That's just laziness. You can't just redefine a word for your own convenience; you can pretend, but I'm not buying it. Silliness is not spam. If you have a problem with silliness, you can say so. Don't lie and insist that apples are oranges. At least, don't think I'll care.

The mods can't change the FAQ or anything else on the site itself! Only Max Barry or [violet] can do this!

If the absence of silliness as well as the absence of griping are desired, then it's kind of necessary for the mods to get in touch with Max and/or [violet] and hammer out some sort of policy. If you let me post inanity, I won't gripe. If you lock ridiculous threads without any sanction, I'm going to complain. If the two groups get together and add silliness to the list of prohibited things on the forum, then I'll quit posting strangeness. I follow the rules as they are laid out in the FAQ, not as a handful of strangers arbitrarily decide they are.

Funny you should post a anti mod message, as when the Farkers started coming into the game after teh link, you were the loudest voice calling for [violet] to add mods so that we could be easily deleted and banned.

Are you sure? I just remember bitterly suggesting that all the nations founded at the time of the link be deleted. I won't deny suggesting mods, since I can't remember, but today's mods take liberties I probably wouldn't have supported even then.

Oh, just get over it and play by the rules. Arbitrary or not, Max entrusts the mods to do their work, and they are; you're breaking the rules and making their job harder.

File a complaint: admin@nationstates.net. It probably won't help, because the mods are only trying to not clog the server any worse than it already is, perhaps, you can post your "fun" at Jolt, but not here, as you've already been told.

Why can't you see that?

EDIT: Because this was a lot worse when I first typed it, and I'm tired and angry at my girlfriend... thus, bad combos for posting.

Spam/SPAM: Off-topic, irrelevant and multi-posts that clog the server. This includes posting lots of smilies which is known as Smilie Spam. Also akin to spamming is Post-whoring which is when a player posts anything just to increase the postcount. Going in and out of a region and hence filling up the regional events board with departing and arriving messages is known as Events Log Spamming and is not allowed. Spamming to the point where you get deleted is known as Klamathing. Spamming in the forums should be reported through the Moderation forum, and In-game, through the Getting Help Page.

(Empasis is mine)

Mabye you should also take a look at The Glossary of Forbidden Actions as well; it's in a sticky in this forum. Mabye it can help clear up some of your concerns. Again, as Tuesday and myself said, your only remaining course of action is via the admin. Posting in here isn't helping your cause.

Since Osutoria-Hangarii's question has been answered by both players and moderators a like, can we lock this now? It seems like we're all saying the same things over and over again. Mods? uLock?

(not a moderator)

You obviously did not look very hard.

Dictionary.com lists this as one of the definitions for the word SPAM

spam

1. <messaging> (From Hormel's Spiced Ham, via the Monty Python
"Spam" song) To post irrelevant or inappropriate messages to
one or more Usenet newsgroups, mailing lists, or other
messaging system in deliberate or accidental violation of
netiquette.

yep, told ya this could get good..

*passes along some popcorn*


buddy, the mods ruled, either you email the admin and complain bout it there, or you can leave the site, or you can stop complaining and start behaving..

simple as that.

You obviously did not look very hard.

Dictionary.com lists this as one of the definitions for the word SPAM

spam

1. <messaging> (From Hormel's Spiced Ham, via the Monty Python
"Spam" song) To post irrelevant or inappropriate messages to
one or more Usenet newsgroups, mailing lists, or other
messaging system in deliberate or accidental violation of
netiquette.

and pubs and clubs are not spam, they are legitimate discussion threads, and a way to relax between debates

and pubs and clubs are not spam, they are legitimate discussion threads, and a way to relax between debates
Mmmhmmm. Sure. And do we ban those? No. Limit? Yes.

Way to stay on topic, chief.

and pubs and clubs are not spam, they are legitimate discussion threads, and a way to relax between debates
Mmmhmmm. Sure. And do we ban those? No. Limit? Yes.

Way to stay on topic, chief.

sorry, and thanks :)

yep, told ya this could get good..

*passes along some popcorn*


buddy, the mods ruled, either you email the admin and complain bout it there, or you can leave the site, or you can stop complaining and start behaving..

simple as that.

lol, it's the way I interact; it's not explicitly banned, and I don't care if I'm making it difficult for the mods to be unfair. I'm not gonna stop until it's OKed, banned, or I'm thrown out. I have more choices than you seem to think I do.

I'm not gonna stop until it's OKed, banned, or I'm thrown out. I have more choices than you seem to think I do.

See that bold? That has been the ruling:

Spam/SPAM: Off-topic, irrelevant and multi-posts that clog the server. This includes posting lots of smilies which is known as Smilie Spam. Also akin to spamming is Post-whoring which is when a player posts anything just to increase the postcount. Going in and out of a region and hence filling up the regional events board with departing and arriving messages is known as Events Log Spamming and is not allowed. Spamming to the point where you get deleted is known as Klamathing. Spamming in the forums should be reported through the Moderation forum, and In-game, through the Getting Help Page.

Don't you read the rules, or the fact that the mods don't need to make a ruling as it's ALREADY IN THE RULES.

Amerigo is a land of contrastDammit, what does that mean? I used to know. Is it just a bump?

and pubs and clubs are not spam, they are legitimate discussion threads, and a way to relax between debates
Mmmhmmm. Sure. And do we ban those? No. Limit? Yes.

Way to stay on topic, chief.I thought they were banned?

Ok, silliness, including most of Forum 7, isn't irrelevant!!! It's fun. It has purpose, to entertain.

It wasn't off-topic in forum 7, because there was no topic to begin with.

And as far as post-whoring? HELLO!!! Half the people in general do it anyway. They just post semi-relevant things so it you don't notice it.
EX: "I think Bush (or kerry, whatever) is doing a good job." They just post-whored, and no one notices because they seem relevant. They only had to read the title of the thread, post on sentense, and poof, postcount+1.

Most of us in Forum 7 never really cared about our postcount anyway.

I'm not gonna stop until it's OKed, banned, or I'm thrown out. I have more choices than you seem to think I do.

See that bold? That has been the ruling:

Spam/SPAM: Off-topic, irrelevant and multi-posts that clog the server. This includes posting lots of smilies which is known as Smilie Spam. Also akin to spamming is Post-whoring which is when a player posts anything just to increase the postcount. Going in and out of a region and hence filling up the regional events board with departing and arriving messages is known as Events Log Spamming and is not allowed. Spamming to the point where you get deleted is known as Klamathing. Spamming in the forums should be reported through the Moderation forum, and In-game, through the Getting Help Page.

Don't you read the rules, or the fact that the mods don't need to make a ruling as it's ALREADY IN THE RULES.

Lol, I just *read* that, and I guess you're right. Even if they label it incorrectly, I guess excessive ludicrous..ness is forbidded. (Note to Crazy Girl: "Forbidded" is a whimsical and incorrect spelling of "forbidden," which is the past participle of the verb "forbid.") Never mind this thread, then. I'll just have to lurk until we get to Jolt and, insh'allah, General will be free to explore every inoffensive avenue of thought which could possibly be conceived!


Amerigo is a land of contrastDammit, what does that mean? I used to know. Is it just a bump?

It originated during some war over slaves involving Amerigo. At this time, the forum was already very unreliable, and posts often failed to show up even being successfully submitted. To kick a thread back into utility, I posted this throw-away line and hoped invisible posts would start showing up.

and pubs and clubs are not spam, they are legitimate discussion threads, and a way to relax between debates
Mmmhmmm. Sure. And do we ban those? No. Limit? Yes.

Way to stay on topic, chief.I thought they were banned?Yeah, see here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=149329

Amerigo is a land of contrastDammit, what does that mean? I used to know. Is it just a bump?

It originated during some war over slaves involving Amerigo. At this time, the forum was already very unreliable, and posts often failed to show up even being successfully submitted. To kick a thread back into utility, I posted this throw-away line and hoped invisible posts would start showing up.Thats right, I remember now.

and pubs and clubs are not spam, they are legitimate discussion threads, and a way to relax between debates
Mmmhmmm. Sure. And do we ban those? No. Limit? Yes.

Way to stay on topic, chief.I thought they were banned?Yeah, see here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=149329

Spaam ain't a mod, dude. Cogs was the only mod to post there, and he was discussing the Tao of Noobishness, not chat threads.

Funny you should post a anti mod message, as when the Farkers started coming into the game after teh link, you were the loudest voice calling for [violet] to add mods so that we could be easily deleted and banned.

Are you sure? I just remember bitterly suggesting that all the nations founded at the time of the link be deleted. I won't deny suggesting mods, since I can't remember, but today's mods take liberties I probably wouldn't have supported even then.

LOL, yes, you did, ask Ackbar or the founder of Farkistan, all of us remember , in fact, here is the Fark Comments thingy from that day.

http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=418508

and here is the quote from that thread that references it, although they leave out your name.
*
HeartBurnKid: Keep trying. Pretend it's just a little beer spilt on the server, it'll pass.
UPDATE: The UN Delegate for the Europe region is attempting to have game moderators delete every single account created in the last two days because of FARK.
It's naked aggression, discrimination against developing nations, and we won't stand for it!


for some reason the thread was trunicated before the mentions of yourself.
also there is a forum out there where it is mentined but I cannot recall where, LOL.
Il look for it for ya.

Funny you should post a anti mod message, as when the Farkers started coming into the game after teh link, you were the loudest voice calling for [violet] to add mods so that we could be easily deleted and banned.

Are you sure? I just remember bitterly suggesting that all the nations founded at the time of the link be deleted. I won't deny suggesting mods, since I can't remember, but today's mods take liberties I probably wouldn't have supported even then.

LOL, yes, you did, ask Ackbar or the founder of Farkistan, all of us remember , in fact, here is the Fark Comments thingy from that day.

http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=418508

and here is the quote from that thread that references it, although they leave out your name.
*
HeartBurnKid: Keep trying. Pretend it's just a little beer spilt on the server, it'll pass.
UPDATE: The UN Delegate for the Europe region is attempting to have game moderators delete every single account created in the last two days because of FARK.
It's naked aggression, discrimination against developing nations, and we won't stand for it!


for some reason the thread was trunicated before the mentions of yourself.
also there is a forum out there where it is mentined but I cannot recall where, LOL.
Il look for it for ya.

Yeah, of course I wanted the damn FARKers deleted; they're scum. Their total lack of empathy didn't really help me keep mine, so yeah, I did suggest deleting a few days' worth of nations. I don't remember saying anything about mods, though, and I don't consider FARKers' testimony valid. I never was and never have been the UN delegate of Europe. I've never even been a UN member!