NationStates Jolt Archive

Recently GLA entered Iowa and took over since they suspected an invasion. The invader delegate who had been their for 2 days was banned and most likely still is banned. Why the defenders got delegate in the first place is also odd seeing as their were 4 un nations 2 Defenders 2 invaders that would mean endorsments would be equal. BTW sorry about complaining about the Ireland crash since I later found out the delegate was a multi.

An invader is banned. So?

Banning invaders indefinitely is legal. It's banning natives that you have to be careful of.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

They can be natives if they have been thier for say 3 days and their is no delegate and then a defender comes in and bans them

just because you've been in the region for 3 or more days doesn't make you a native...

what does then cg and cogination you haven't answered my question on my when endorsments are tied defenders seem to get it.

From my understanding you are a native to somone if they have been thier less time than you.

well, you got it wrong then.

go to the gameplay section, read the sticky about invasions and delegates.

and why defenders get delegacy when it's tied?

it's because the mods and admin are biased and love us so much, not because i got a mod in my pocket, cause i doubt my back would survive that :P

j/k, it has to do with how the game works, we figured it out, i'm sure you can too ;)

what does then cg and cogination you haven't answered my question on my when endorsments are tied defenders seem to get it.

From my understanding you are a native to somone if they have been thier less time than you.

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You are only a native, if you are not an invader, and you were inside the region before the invasion occured. It is easy as that. If mods find out that you are a puppet nation of one of the invaders, you can't claim native status.
Remember: If no invasion occured, there is no such thing as a "native". There can only be natives when an invasion is happening.

so I can eject and ban somone even if they are their longer than me and show no intension of changing anything . NVM forget my asking i'm just an invader that happens to know how little it would take to ....


Just curious does the secret organisation really exist that deletes nations who talk about it or leave it ( I am trying to make myseelf look lilke an idiot)


The nations thier were resting not invading on our part preparing for the invasion of ????? GLA jumped in later that night ejected and banned them and left. Isn't that an invasion by GLA and then griefing?

What I am getting is I can if I invade invaders greif regions and claim people are invaders.

you weren't natives, so they were allowed to kick you out.

and what organisation are you talking about?

suppose i invade a region that say moshie move into 2 days before I invade can I ban moshie?

The organisation is "secret" however I know some of the members and have seen some of the tg's I 'm just curious if it is somone having fun tricking all the leaders of invaders and probly defenders or if their is something more.

<------- Not a moderator

so I can eject and ban somone even if they are their longer than me and show no intension of changing anything .

If you are an invader, you can't eject people who were in the region before you did. Unless you have proof that they invaded the place before you did, and even that is very tricky. Do not password the region, or you have to TG all natives the password. Chances are that one of them is a puppet of an invader.

Just curious does the secret organisation really exist that deletes nations who talk about it or leave it ( I am trying to make myseelf look lilke an idiot)

Lol, what kind of fairytale is that? Do you believe in the toothfairy too? :lol:


The nations thier were resting not invading on our part preparing for the invasion of ????? GLA jumped in later that night ejected and banned them and left. Isn't that an invasion by GLA and then griefing?

What I am getting is I can if I invade invaders greif regions and claim people are invaders.

If you claim that they were invaders too, you better have some screenshot of regional happenings. You gotta proof who's native, and who's not. Best would be if you had a regional data sheet of the original region.

Believe me, you better only eject very tactical, unban them immediately, do not password the region, and stay vigilant during updates. 8)

Mod's have activity records and if they don't they could get them if they cared. as for screenshots you would just say they were doctored.

sigh...
you were not a native, but an invader.
the region had no delegate, you moved in with your buddy to grab delegacy.
defenders spotted it, and beat you. you got kicked out.

all perfectly legal, happens every day.

An invader is banned. So?

Cog already made a ruling; why is this thread even continuing? Can't you just take this, move on, and keep playing.

Cog is your ruling final? If it is do you remember LBM and PF (hint hint)


CG if they were invading why was only 1 endorsment present.

One nation was thier for 2 days.


You can't justify your actions of banning even if they are invaders you are invaders too in your actions and follow the same rules. I have been helded to the rules so should defenders. If you shoot this down it goes to Max and if he follows suit I become delete on sight.

Cog is your ruling final? If it is do you remember LBM and PF (hint hint)


CG if they were invading why was only 1 endorsment present.

One nation was thier for 2 days.


You can't justify your actions of banning even if they are invaders you are invaders too in your actions and follow the same rules. I have been helded to the rules so should defenders. If you shoot this down it goes to Max and if he follows suit I become delete on sight.

You were considered an "invader" by the mods and by those observing the events, therefore, the region was justified in your ejection and banning.

Isn't that obvious?

Ok, so. Invader A sees a region with no delegate. He and his buddy invade the region and take control, as they need only one endorsement to select a new delegate. This is Invasion A.

A counter-invasion invasion group sees the takeover and moves to "liberate" the region. The rules make no distinction between invaders and defender groups, so this is invasion B. Invasion B takes control of the region and ejects the original invaders.

According to a previous Mod ruling, invading delegates can only be considered native delegates if (as I understand it) two things occur. First, the invader delegate must have more native endorsments than any other candidate for delegacy. Secondly, those native endorsements must make up the majority (half +1, minimum) of the invader's endorsements.

If two natives had endorsed you, Chessalavakia, you'd have been a delegate native. As things played out, you were an invader, and there's no rules against invaders being booted. If you couldn't organize an invasion and keep the region you invaded, that's not the mods' problem.

Ok, so. Invader A sees a region with no delegate. He and his buddy invade the region and take control, as they need only one endorsement to select a new delegate. This is Invasion A.

A counter-invasion invasion group sees the takeover and moves to "liberate" the region. The rules make no distinction between invaders and defender groups, so this is invasion B. Invasion B takes control of the region and ejects the original invaders.

Correct.

According to a previous Mod ruling, invading delegates can only be considered native delegates if (as I understand it) two things occur. First, the invader delegate must have more native endorsments than any other candidate for delegacy.

[Emphasis mine.]

This is the only requirement to be considered a native Delegate. Chessalavakia did NOT meet this requirement.

Secondly, those native endorsements must make up the majority (half +1, minimum) of the invader's endorsements.

Incorrect. This is not a requirement.

If you have 6 native endorsements and 20 invader endorsements, but all other candidates have 5 native endorsements or less, then you are a native Delegate.

Invader endorsements are completely ignored in determining "Native Delegate" status.

If two natives had endorsed you, Chessalavakia, you'd have been a delegate native. As things played out, you were an invader, and there's no rules against invaders being booted. If you couldn't organize an invasion and keep the region you invaded, that's not the mods' problem.

Correct.

Permanently banning invaders (including so-called "defenders") is legal. Permanently banning natives is not. Chessalavakia is an invader.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator