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Two words: 'Mod Elections'

People are always bitchin' 'bout the mods and whatnot so why not calm them down by holding elections by the people to oust the least favourite mods and bring in ones people want.

Wait...

Two words: 'Mod Elections'

People are always bitchin' 'bout the mods and whatnot so why not calm them down by holding elections by the people to oust the least favourite mods and bring in ones people want.

Wait...

:) You forget -- it's not a democracy. The mods are selected by the admin, who presumably likes the job they are doing, and as he owns the joint...

<--not a mod.

Well maybe we could have the forums be like a nation. It changes every day. One day it's Capitalizt then a few days later it's Anarchy. It'll set us apart from other forums.

And like any other nation, once it is allowed to collapse, it will stay collapsed, despite the best efforts of whoever might follow. Not a good idea.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

I may not hit the forums much, so my memory may be off, but wasn't this very forum created as a compromise between people wanting hidden moderation (I believe Lemmingcus Meanicus was the main proponent of this), and people wanting direct election of mods and/or a sort of "tribunal" system where mod actions would be reviewed by the players?

And like any other nation, once it is allowed to collapse, it will stay collapsed, despite the best efforts of whoever might follow. Not a good idea.

Tactical Grace
Forum ModeratorYou're no fun.

Also I'm still typing 'Foxxinnia' into the nation log in thing then seeing the 'nation does not exist' page. Then I stare at it for a few seconds and begin crying. It's quite sad.

Perhaps, you all should go here:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146051

Well, Tactical, we should still be able to resurect former nations. I mean.. Rome was totally wipped out, and then resurected.. well western Rome, while eastern rome became the byzantine empire.. but that's no the point. Why not.. other nations?

Say a nation got tired of, back in the dark days of the 21 issue days (or was it 26?) before the influx of new ones.. nations died out.. and with the influx of new issues, the citizenry rise up and demand the rebirth of their former nation, to bring it to glory once more.

And like any other nation, once it is allowed to collapse, it will stay collapsed, despite the best efforts of whoever might follow. Not a good idea.

Tactical Grace
Forum Moderator

Hell, if the contributors to this fine game and forum (exception: server) are going to be punished for enjoying themselves, I'd like to be punished by someone I chose!

Although, I'm not gonna go all Patrick Henry on you...

Give me liberty, or give me death!
Yeah...there's no telling how far a mod would go with that statement.

Tactical, there is an idea that the Admin of a site called GameFAQS had for the forum mods and posters.

Once a mod did any sort of mod-related action (in this case, deleted a post), than the posters would click to a certain page and see the actions of this poster and the mod.

You get to see how many warnings the poster had as well, and for what they were warned. And when too.

So the posters review this and rate how much they agree with this moderation. Based on Harsh, Slightly Harsh, Fair, Slightly Leniant, Far too Leniant)

God knows what happens after the moderation is reviewed.


And of course, this ability would only be given to older NS-nations (dare I say, those with 1 billion?) so as to not let spammers, n00bs, and other disrupters disrupt the more democratic process.

Colodia, the only problem with the idea of GameFAQs (I site I visit frequently myself), is that most people know WHAT they did wrong before, while, and after they do it.

It seems that most of the NSers who are punished for rule violations do know what they are punished for, and move on with there lives, unlike some who drag it out claiming ignorance.

The mods are trusted to do a job; if they can't do it, the Admin will see that themselves and act accordingly.

All a rating system is going to do is allow those unhappy with correct mod decisions to try and challenge their integrity and character.

Colodia, the only problem with the idea of GameFAQs (I site I visit frequently myself), is that most people know WHAT they did wrong before, while, and after they do it.

It seems that most of the NSers who are punished for rule violations do know what they are punished for, and move on with there lives, unlike some who drag it out claiming ignorance.

The mods are trusted to do a job; if they can't do it, the Admin will see that themselves and act accordingly.

All a rating system is going to do is allow those unhappy with correct mod decisions to try and challenge their integrity and character.

Yesterday, Foxxinnia was DEATed. For what? For making a joke...that's what!

He claims to only have one warning before the DEAT.


Now I say...wouldn't you consider reviewing THAT?

And say TRA was DEATed again. And you got to review the DEAT, wouldn't you want to compliment the mod on their action?


This isn't just something to bash the mods on, guys...

Then, file a complaint at admin@nationstates.net.

Then, file a complaint at admin@nationstates.net.

Kinda pointless doing it when only one person does it?

It may or may not get the attention of the admin, but if more than 2 or 3 people send an email with the title: GAMEFAQS IDEA FOR NATIONSTATES!...than I think we'd get a chance

*wistles*

Uhh if we voted on who we wanted to be mods,we are more likely to vote for friends,even if they dont have a clue to what they are doing

" Better the devil you know ... " :wink:

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It may or may not get the attention of the admin, but if more than 2 or 3 people send an email with the title: GAMEFAQS IDEA FOR NATIONSTATES!...than I think we'd get a chance

Considering there are hundreds of thousands of nations, 2 or 3 people aren't going to make a big difference.

Two words: 'Mod Elections'

People are always bitchin' 'bout the mods and whatnot so why not calm them down by holding elections by the people to oust the least favourite mods and bring in ones people want.

Wait...Problem with democracy is that sometimes the wrong people come into power. If you had the mods voted on by popularity, you'd probably end up with me, Beeker and the rest of the general forum (ex)royalty in charge, and frankly, that scares the hell out of me.

Also, mods would be loathe to make unpopular deletions as it would damage their chances of being re-modded when their term expired.

Colodia, the only problem with the idea of GameFAQs (I site I visit frequently myself), is that most people know WHAT they did wrong before, while, and after they do it.

It seems that most of the NSers who are punished for rule violations do know what they are punished for, and move on with there lives, unlike some who drag it out claiming ignorance.

The mods are trusted to do a job; if they can't do it, the Admin will see that themselves and act accordingly.

All a rating system is going to do is allow those unhappy with correct mod decisions to try and challenge their integrity and character.

Yesterday, Foxxinnia was DEATed. For what? For making a joke...that's what!

He claims to only have one warning before the DEAT.


Now I say...wouldn't you consider reviewing THAT?

And say TRA was DEATed again. And you got to review the DEAT, wouldn't you want to compliment the mod on their action?


This isn't just something to bash the mods on, guys...One warning in December!

Heres a questions:

Why do people bitch about the mods?



The mods give up a lot of time to do this job.

I have never had a problem with the mods. They warned me in the past but I broke the rules and deserved it. So if you get on the bad side of the mods I promise you that you deserved it one way or another.

Why do people bitch about the mods?

Most of those that bitch have broken the rules, most likely been caught, or think they are holier-than-the-rules.

Why do people bitch about the mods?

Most of those that bitch have broken the rules, most likely been caught, or think they are holier-than-the-rules.



So why do they have to bitch?

I follow the rules just like Tuesday does. Its not hard.

Two words: 'Mod Elections'

People are always bitchin' 'bout the mods and whatnot so why not calm them down by holding elections by the people to oust the least favourite mods and bring in ones people want.

Wait...

what.....

I like the idea of mod elections...I don't think that electing the whole pile of them, but maybe once every so often, one mod is ousted and one is added. I'm also thinking that you should do it only for the lowest few levels. Ousting the higher-power mods would definitely be bad.

I also like Colodia's idea. True, almost everyone knows what they did wrong, but everyone else doesn't. It'd improve the mod's image if they would share all the info., so we know exactly what happened, instead of having to wonder, and ultimately, make (often mistaken) guesses. It would also build trust, so that when the mods didn't have a reason to present, we would accept it more because we would know that there must be a good reason (That idea comes from Card's Shadow of the Hedgemon...Bean uses this concept with his soldiers. Look it up, it's a good idea).

Attitude also has a point. I don't know if any of the mods have jobs or such, but they obviously give up time for this.

The mods do need to be more humble though. Some of us put in just as much time. No, it's not a democracy, but there is this thing called "curtesy." I completely understand that some people act like asses, and that pisses me off too, but that doesn't mean we have to act like them, and the mods least of us, since they have been elevated in power for, i would assume, their good nature, level-headedness, etc.

Some of the older nations need to give it a rest too. I'm not that old of a nation, but i'm not a n00b, so don't treat me like one just because i don't have a million and one posts.

Well, I've never seen a mod act rudely to a player on Forum, and have always found them to be reasonable and impartial in their dealings.

I have seen them shout, scream, and even just about toss lightening bolts, but only at a stage at which I would have already brained the offender myself with my hefty cast iron frying-pan. All in all, I don't see why we need elected Moderators, I find the idea a little concerning, elections these days always seem to elect the popular over the effective. I'v seen it happen all my life, on political elections and simple school elections.

Actually, I guess I have a slight axe to grind come to think of it, I found out my primary school elections were rigged by teachers, who ended up picking the "popular" clique of kids to rule the shool parliment, rather then the hard workers with the good marks, as in me, and a few others, even though we were the dedicated ones who usually, and yes, sounds sad for a year six group of kids, actually got them on points of order. Come to think of it, the only elected member to school parliment who deserved it was the oposition leader, ... And only cause she was a total manic-depressive bitch, bless her.

:wink:

Any-hoo, I say keep the current system as is, it seems to work okay.

* Drops his two cents into the slot and walks on. :)

- T.R. Kom
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The problem with all those ideas, is that if we knew all the info the mods did, then we'd quit this game, shut down our connections, and move to Montana to live in a backwoods cabin.

Heck no, I'm not moving to America, my dollar is only worth 69 cents last I checked. Any-way, I am sure New Zealand would be much better. :wink:

- T.R. Kom
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Guess I'll never stop being a n00b if I don't post anything. This topic looks fun. What about this idea: Jury by peers? If something the Mods do is called into question, you could go and find 3 or 5 random countries, show them the facts and have them vote on it. I bet the trouble makers would stop complaining if they knew non-Mods also looked at the facts at hand decided against them.

[btw I hope I'm not doulbe posting, I refresh and don't see my post]

Guess I'll never stop being a n00b if I don't post anything. This topic looks fun. What about this idea: Jury by peers? If something the Mods do is called into question, you could go and find 3 or 5 random countries, show them the facts and have them vote on it. I bet the trouble makers would stop complaining if they knew non-Mods also looked at the facts at hand decided against them.

[btw I hope I'm not doulbe posting, I refresh and don't see my post]

Again, this idea won't work, because how can you ensure that the "jury" is impartial, just like how can you ensure "elected" mods are impartial?

My biggest fear is, that the newly elected mod turns out to be some kind of hacker, and starts wiping out all his opponents, hacks the site, and that would mean the end of the whole game. There is more involved by choosing a mod, than most of us can immagine. I have seen other sites being destroyed by newly appointed mods.

If you elect every 4 months a new moderator, you might as well play russian roulette on this site.

My biggest fear is, that the newly elected mod turns out to be some kind of hacker, and starts wiping out all his opponents, hacks the site, and that would mean the end of the whole game.

Less of a concern, really. The worst a new mod "hacker" could do is cause havoc on the forum. Also, any Game Mod could shut him down soundly with only a few keystrokes. A Forum Mod has no more access to the guts of the game than a standard player does. They may see snippits of code (in the OMG SEKRET FORUM), but seeing code and being able to access said code are two completely different creatures.

That being said, elections do indeed have severe problems, which is why that idea has been repeatedly been shot down from on high.